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GERMANS Will Allow Unconditional ECB Bond Buying

 
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"Italy has no prime minister, and Spain’s is neck deep in a corruption scandal.

Fearing voter backlash, legislatures in both countries fail to approve the reforms. Cash needs have been delayed as long as possible, and defaults could occur in a matter of days.

What happens now?"

"The cost of a eurozone breakup is impermissibly high to Germany.
As long as it is cheaper to bailout these countries rather than allowing them to exit the eurozone, then they will be bailed out
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Eventually, the costs will force a breakup, but in the short term permitting the ECB to turn on the magic money machine is an inexpensive way to maintain the current status quo."

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LOL
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" A truly massive QE Program that not only bails out the banks and the existing governments debt and deficit, but also sponsors an enormous stimulus program for anything that can be thought of, e.g. infrastructure, education, green energy, etc.

Following scenario B, the challenge will be this: Why would the Germans and Fins want to debase their currency to send their monies elsewhere?

The answer will be a mix of ‘candy and stick’, so to speak."

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02/28/2013 03:54 PM
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Get ready for the scenario, that the EU is kicking the can down the road annother time.
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02/28/2013 05:15 PM
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"Italy has no prime minister, and Spain’s is neck deep in a corruption scandal.

Fearing voter backlash, legislatures in both countries fail to approve the reforms. Cash needs have been delayed as long as possible, and defaults could occur in a matter of days.

What happens now?"

"The cost of a eurozone breakup is impermissibly high to Germany.
As long as it is cheaper to bailout these countries rather than allowing them to exit the eurozone, then they will be bailed out
.

Eventually, the costs will force a breakup, but in the short term permitting the ECB to turn on the magic money machine is an inexpensive way to maintain the current status quo."

[link to dareconomics.wordpress.com]
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


we will shell anyone trying to leave the eu instantly.
bend over and take the money .......sluts!
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02/28/2013 05:51 PM
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Germany has the money to buy Europe. Its not cheaper than a war but all the legal paperwork is bullet proof.

The EU is Germany and vassal states. Point final.
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02/28/2013 06:46 PM

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I might have missed a bit here

The germs print euros to bail 4 iffy countries bet on them failing
then own them as they defaulted

What backed the mirical money the germs print to save it all
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02/28/2013 07:23 PM
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Today Euro is officially a religious dogma, ze germans would make everyone die rather then see eurozone brake up.....


so.......let's die, we'll dine in hell


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02/28/2013 07:28 PM
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everything for the euro!!!!

if we need to detroy the earth to save the euro and europe so be it!!!

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02/28/2013 07:29 PM
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The "Germans" is a misleading title. "Corrupt Elites Running Germany" would be a more accurate title.
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02/28/2013 07:45 PM
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So what the FED is buying funny papers every month for a whopping 85 billion dollars.

the whole world is bankrupt.
Our high quality of living is only borrowed and it is declining every day.

deal with it

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If the world is £179.8 Trillion in debt... Which planet do we all owe it to?
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Plan B.

Plan A was austerity and reducing the debt.Getting back confidence from the markets.
That was rejected by the italiens in a spectacular vote. It is already rejected by greece, but until now nobody cared. But that is Italy, and Spain and France are to follow.

Plan B is to kick the can down the road one more time, in the hope to have enough time to reverse the euro founding errors and to do the homework regarding labour competetivity and efficiency.
That for sure will not be done, perhaps symbolically 20 % in order to say, "we did something, its not us to blame".

But there might be a big QE investment and debt program in the making by the ECB.

We will see how far Germany is ready to go, to keep the lot together.
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The leaders of Germany are traitors to Germany. They are not acting in a desire to benefit Germany or its people. Indeed, the Euro does not benefit Germany, instead it will be a black hole that will destroy german savings and add billions to the german debt.
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The leaders of Germany are traitors to Germany. They are not acting in a desire to benefit Germany or its people. Indeed, the Euro does not benefit Germany, instead it will be a black hole that will destroy german savings and add billions to the german debt.
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That might be true, I came back to this thread to write this:

There is a divide between the north states and the southern ones beyond what is being already known:

In the north states, since 20 years, the government tells their people to get their act together on their own for the retirenment.
In the south states, the gov always says, don't worry, we are the state, we will manage the situation.

In the north people put their money into live insurances and other stuff.
In the south people bought their homes. In France it is normal that you own your own home. They bought perhaps another one, while his german friend put his money into a live insurance program.

Now comes 2013/14:
Choice between inflation and melting away the debt in the long run, open bar concept, and tight fiscal policy to maintain a strong currency and manage inflation and interest rates.

Today, in Germany, the live insurance is in deficit, the interest on it, is less than the inflation rate.
In the south, we don't care. Nobody even knows that this exists.

In the north more and more people reach the retirenment age, people, who put money aside since 20 + years.

In the US people have bourse fonds. If wallstreet is up, everything is fine, you can cash in and go into retirement. Inflation is a minor problem. Deflation would be a big problem.

In Germany, inflation would be a big problem, deflation would be a minor problem.

Now comes in the EU reform concepts:
1) more debt, inflation, and investments into infrastructe and perhaps some enterprises
2) austerity until the moment a state situation as it might be can finance its debts

Thats the issue in europe.

And this thread is about this very plan B.
And it could be, to hold the eurozone together, plan B is the only viable plan, the only thing left, because the other one is rejected in the voting box.
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The leaders of Germany are traitors to Germany. They are not acting in a desire to benefit Germany or its people. Indeed, the Euro does not benefit Germany, instead it will be a black hole that will destroy german savings and add billions to the german debt.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33724411


Now comes in the EU reform concepts:
1) more debt, inflation, and investments into infrastructe and perhaps some enterprises
2) austerity until the moment a state situation as it might be can finance its debts

Thats the issue in europe.

And this thread is about this very plan B.
And it could be, to hold the eurozone together, plan B is the only viable plan, the only thing left, because the other one is rejected in the voting box.
 Quoting: ^àTOn^


See, my friend, europe is bigger than just Germany. Others have different problems.

At the very end, when there is no can anymore to kick down the road, this thing will go bust.

In the mean time, people need to live .... .

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