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Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.

 
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If nibiru were in astro's bedroom and didn't produce a gravitational interaction with the dildo on his nightstand then that means that IT CANNOT EXIST because GRAVITY IS THE ONLY TYPE OF FORCE THAT MATTERS in our world because it is BLACK & WHITE without VARIATION, when any educated physicist will tell you our universe plays on electromagnetism to produce gravity.
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However nasa is very capable of doing the same (insert big word to blind with bullshit) *Calculations* that astro does, yet 90% of GLP doesn't trust nasa, but somehow trusts astro. Double standard much? Half you people who are supposedly "awake" are more asleep than the dumbest christian.
 Quoting: AC

Wow, your ass is awfully sore about my calculations, isn't it? See, the thing is, I present my calculations and my methods. If anyone wants to verify or argue about them, they certainly can. That puts the ball firmly in your court to prove my calculations wrong when they show that things in the solar system are as they're expected to be.

From the sound of it you're probably especially sore over this thread, yet despite all your vitriol you can't argue with it substantively.
Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon
It's versatile and potent against all future moontard threads, and it's all right there in form of a spreadsheet you can use and examine for yourself. Sucks for you, doesn't it? Well I've got more bad news for you; I'm working on a follow-up that will repeat this for the sun and planets as well.
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You also avoided to answer one of my very first questions, regarding McCanneys claim he made on October 13, 2012:
"i have to let you know i made an initial error in reporting the Mars extreme close encounter on october 3 2013 (including the weeks leading up to this date) ... i originally stated on my show that this would not be visible in the morning sky but i revisited my information and in fact we will have a superb night time early morning view of the comet approaching mars"
[link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]

McCanney here (in contrast to his usually vague predictions) clearly states, that we are able to see the approach of C/2012 S1 (ISON) to Mars with the naked eye in the mornig sky.

I predict, that we will not be able to see it with the naked eye.

Again my question:
Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see the comets approach with the naked eye?
 Quoting: Hydra


I'm using Stellarium, and C/2012 S1 is observable in the morning sky that date.
 Quoting: glauco

If you use Stellarium you should see, that it is at mag 10something at 2012 Oct. 1st.
Stellarium shows you just the position of the comet, not that it is visible at that date.


If this will be naked eye visible I don't know, ...
 Quoting: glauco

That I didn't ask.
McC claims it will be visible naked eye in the morning sky and I asked: Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see the comets approach with the naked eye?

Don't dance around.
Simple question - so I expect a simple answer.


Can you imagine a tiny small body reflecting green light during the day in the tropics?
 Quoting: glauco

If it's a comet: yes


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Testing his claim scientifically isn't the way to debunk bad science? Sure it is!
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

As an exercise is valid, but to debunk you need to talk to the person, not to the fans.
 Quoting: glauco

You're once again stuck in this false adversarial mindset of yours. This is not a competition of egos or personas, I can and will address the claim, it doesn't matter if I do it face to face or just on this forum and in youtube videos. The medium and location in which I do it is irrelevant.
If I don't know how to do that, probably I don't know what equipment do we need, agreed?
 Quoting: glauco

I heartily agree, but you seemed to pretend to know for a time.
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Sorry, but this is a quite lame excuse. This answer was direct directed to you without any answers to other readers in the same post.
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Bring that again please.

But I asked for hi-res pictures of ice in a comet surface, as we had 5 flybys, not a long-distance spectroscopic image.
 Quoting: glauco

No, you initially asked for proof of ice in a comet and later changed the topic.
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My claim: no ICE found.
The official model says that comets are made of ice and rock. So, they have such data very easy to anybody to see. Go there and bring to us where is the ice on comets. I mean REAL PICTURES.
 Quoting: glauco


This is what I asked for on page 4. Do you have such pictures? You doing like Dog Astronut.

And btw - a long-distance spectroscopic analysis (you can't take long-distance spectroscopic images) of coma and tail finding water vapor should be a sufficient enough proof of water ice in a comet.
If you think it's not, please provide evidence and reference it.
 Quoting: Hydra


Water in comet's coma and tail have another process in the McCanney's model that don't need ice anywhere in the nucleous or around.

(you can't take long-distance spectroscopic images)
 Quoting: Hydra

Yes you can with a telescope, optic fiber and a computer.


Service:
"... The March 28th issue of SCIENCE describes studies made with the Hubble Space Telescope and the International Ultraviolet Explorer. That work shows that water ice is escaping at a rate different from those of other frozen compounds, so these ices appear to be segregated from one another within the nucleus. ..."
[link to www2.jpl.nasa.gov]

(vi) detection of the H234S isotopic species and independent observations of HDO and DCN
[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]


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 Quoting: Hydra


This is a long-distance spectroscopic analysis with very good equipment.
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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I want pictures;
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Do you have *any* idea what Mars looks like through the weak telescope that you'll be using? How do you expect to see volcanic activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms through a weak telescope? Worse, if you're using a cheap telescope, the poor quality lenses could tint (chromatic aberration) the apparent colour of whatever you're observing. If you're relying on fuzzy images alone to prove your point, you might as well also prove that dinosaurs are walking the surface of Mars while you're at it.

You expect to see 6,700,000 mile-long bolts of electricity between ISON and Mars and a 13,400,000 mile-wide coma? If such a phenomena were to occur, that would likely be visible with the naked eye.

Are ALL of your expectations (volcanic activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, 6,700,000 mile-long bolts of electricity between ISON and Mars, 13,400,000 mile-wide coma) necessary for you to conclude you're right? Or, will you conclude you're right with only a slight colour shift visible through a cheap telescope?
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This is responded some posts ago.
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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In return I will buy his eBook "COMETS" if you can provide at least three non telescopic, non long exposure photos showing Mars, C/2012 S1 (ISON) and a reference plane (horizon, building, etc) in the same photo until 2013 Oct. 5th. In case you get those photos, please provide the originals including exif data.
 Quoting: Hydra

You need all of this to expend 12 dolars? Sorry man, don't depend on me.
 Quoting: glauco

What does it mean: all of this?

It's just one claim (not two or three or four) - it's just the claim of visibility in the early morning sky.

Don't distract:

McCanneys on October 13, 2012:
"i have to let you know i made an initial error in reporting the Mars extreme close encounter on october 3 2013 (including the weeks leading up to this date) ... i originally stated on my show that this would not be visible in the morning sky but i revisited my information and in fact we will have a superb night time early morning view of the comet approaching mars"
[link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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If you use Stellarium you should see, that it is at mag 10something at 2012 Oct. 1st.
Stellarium shows you just the position of the comet, not that it is visible at that date.
 Quoting: Hydra

Yes, it does that. You only have to push a button and he will say if you will be able to see the comet.

If this will be naked eye visible I don't know, ...
 Quoting: glauco

That I didn't ask.
McC claims it will be visible naked eye in the morning sky and I asked: Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see the comets approach with the naked eye?

Don't dance around.
Simple question - so I expect a simple answer.
 Quoting: Hydra

I said "Probably, depends on what I will see.".

Can you imagine a tiny small body reflecting green light during the day in the tropics?
 Quoting: glauco

If it's a comet: yes


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 Quoting: Hydra

Yes, it is beautiful.
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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If nibiru were in astro's bedroom and didn't produce a gravitational interaction with the dildo on his nightstand then that means that IT CANNOT EXIST because GRAVITY IS THE ONLY TYPE OF FORCE THAT MATTERS in our world because it is BLACK & WHITE without VARIATION, when any educated physicist will tell you our universe plays on electromagnetism to produce gravity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36785157

:thassabutthurt:
However nasa is very capable of doing the same (insert big word to blind with bullshit) *Calculations* that astro does, yet 90% of GLP doesn't trust nasa, but somehow trusts astro. Double standard much? Half you people who are supposedly "awake" are more asleep than the dumbest christian.
 Quoting: AC

Wow, your ass is awfully sore about my calculations, isn't it? See, the thing is, I present my calculations and my methods. If anyone wants to verify or argue about them, they certainly can. That puts the ball firmly in your court to prove my calculations wrong when they show that things in the solar system are as they're expected to be.

From the sound of it you're probably especially sore over this thread, yet despite all your vitriol you can't argue with it substantively.
Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon
It's versatile and potent against all future moontard threads, and it's all right there in form of a spreadsheet you can use and examine for yourself. Sucks for you, doesn't it? Well I've got more bad news for you; I'm working on a follow-up that will repeat this for the sun and planets as well.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What exactly do you calculate in these "calculations"? Let me guess you organized NASA's released info on positions of where the moon should be for us to read easily? That's helpful astro. You couldn't have done more as you don't have the ability to collect more info than they have, so you couldn't be providing anyone with anything that wasn't already available. So thanks for the calcs bro but they don't mean dick.
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I expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere. Maybe he will miss his two little moons, too. That's what I expect to see.
 Quoting: glauco

What do you do, when you can't observe anything of this?

Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see this?
 Quoting: Hydra

Probably. Depends on what I will see. But I don't expect this will happen.
 Quoting: glauco

Please be specific.
You do expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere.
or
You do not expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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As said above: X-rays have nothing to do with electric discharges - the X-ray spectrum is part of the light spectrum.

Also the electric field in the picture is part of the Jupiter magnetosphere. If you have any proof, it's related to the impact, please provide and reference it.

And once more: I asked you about any electrical discharges (thunderbolt) in the beforehand of the Shoemaker-Levy 9 impacts on Jupiter.

Question not answerd, but dancing around and trying to distract the readers.

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 Quoting: Hydra


Well, this is all I have. I depend on previous observatins, and there are not a lot:


May I post more after ISON encounter with Mars?
 Quoting: glauco

This events are from 2010 June 3 - 2010 Aug 20 - 2012 Sep 10. Was at that times a comet in the vicinity of Jupiter?

Again you try to distract peopüle by changig topic and presentig something, that for a layman seems to be a legit answer.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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If nibiru were in astro's bedroom and didn't produce a gravitational interaction with the dildo on his nightstand then that means that IT CANNOT EXIST because GRAVITY IS THE ONLY TYPE OF FORCE THAT MATTERS in our world because it is BLACK & WHITE without VARIATION, when any educated physicist will tell you our universe plays on electromagnetism to produce gravity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36785157

thassabutthurt
However nasa is very capable of doing the same (insert big word to blind with bullshit) *Calculations* that astro does, yet 90% of GLP doesn't trust nasa, but somehow trusts astro. Double standard much? Half you people who are supposedly "awake" are more asleep than the dumbest christian.
 Quoting: AC

Wow, your ass is awfully sore about my calculations, isn't it? See, the thing is, I present my calculations and my methods. If anyone wants to verify or argue about them, they certainly can. That puts the ball firmly in your court to prove my calculations wrong when they show that things in the solar system are as they're expected to be.

From the sound of it you're probably especially sore over this thread, yet despite all your vitriol you can't argue with it substantively.
Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon
It's versatile and potent against all future moontard threads, and it's all right there in form of a spreadsheet you can use and examine for yourself. Sucks for you, doesn't it? Well I've got more bad news for you; I'm working on a follow-up that will repeat this for the sun and planets as well.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


What exactly do you calculate in these "calculations"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36785157

I explained what I did in the thread and in the video, and the resulting spreadsheet is right there for you to examine.
Let me guess you organized NASA's released info on positions of where the moon should be for us to read easily? That's helpful astro. You couldn't have done more as you don't have the ability to collect more info than they have, so you couldn't be providing anyone with anything that wasn't already available. So thanks for the calcs bro but they don't mean dick.
 Quoting: AC

Rather than "guessing" and looking like an ignorant ass, try actually reading and listening. I did not organize NASA's released info, I did not use data from NASA. I used lunar tables published 22 years ago by a husband and wife team of French astronomers to calculate the expected position and orientation of the moon for any given point in time and location via Fourier series.

Yes, those lunar tables have been available for decades now, but that's part of the point; moontards claim the moon's orbit is changing in the last few years which is causing its apparent tilt. By using decades old data I showed that it's not new and it is predictable using old data for the orbit of the moon. So yes, the calculations do mean dick, and in fact they are useful and potent against both current and future moontard threads.
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Zetas were so 2003.... In any event that is not Nibiru. Why? Because you can't fathom what you are about to see. Planet X, nemisis, nibiru, or whatever you want to call it will not be seen. Why? Because its cold as death itself. Black as night. I assure u it's coming, not in that form. The comets that come are pretty much getting the fuck out of its way. Don't believe me? You will soon.
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Pshhh when?
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You're once again stuck in this false adversarial mindset of yours. This is not a competition of egos or personas, I can and will address the claim, it doesn't matter if I do it face to face or just on this forum and in youtube videos. The medium and location in which I do it is irrelevant.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Alright, but it is not enough. It is good as an exercise, only that.

I heartily agree, but you seemed to pretend to know for a time.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Alright, now you know.
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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You're once again stuck in this false adversarial mindset of yours. This is not a competition of egos or personas, I can and will address the claim, it doesn't matter if I do it face to face or just on this forum and in youtube videos. The medium and location in which I do it is irrelevant.
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Alright, but it is not enough. It is good as an exercise, only that.
 Quoting: glauco

I hate to break it to you, but you are not the arbiter of what is "good enough." The facts are the facts, regardless of what falsehoods McCanney spouts.
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What does it mean: all of this?

It's just one claim (not two or three or four) - it's just the claim of visibility in the early morning sky.

Don't distract:
McCanneys on October 13, 2012:
"i have to let you know i made an initial error in reporting the Mars extreme close encounter on october 3 2013 (including the weeks leading up to this date) ... i originally stated on my show that this would not be visible in the morning sky but i revisited my information and in fact we will have a superb night time early morning view of the comet approaching mars"
[link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]


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 Quoting: Hydra


You distract, I respond the same question a lot here but you insist. As I said, in Stellarium it is observable during that time frame. All scientists in the world, as you know, expects this comet to be naked eye visible, not only at night, but probably at day. They know they could be wrong, all of them said that, but the expectations are big.

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But I asked for hi-res pictures of ice in a comet surface, as we had 5 flybys, not a long-distance spectroscopic image.
 Quoting: glauco

No, you initially asked for proof of ice in a comet and later changed the topic.
 Quoting: Hydra


My claim: no ICE found.
The official model says that comets are made of ice and rock. So, they have such data very easy to anybody to see. Go there and bring to us where is the ice on comets. I mean REAL PICTURES.
 Quoting: glauco


This is what I asked for on page 4. Do you have such pictures? You doing like Dog Astronut.
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You are a LIAR - this is from page 6:
Thread: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber. (Page 6)


And this is, what you asked for on page 4 before you asked for pictures on page 6:
Alright, so where is the ice of the comets? Bring the data if you can.
 Quoting: glauco

Thread: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber. (Page 4)


Stop lying and trying to distract readers by giving false quotes.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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Please be specific.
You do expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere.
or
You do not expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere.

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 Quoting: Hydra


Don't do turns in my words to gain time, I will not stop.
I mean I do not expect no effects at all, I expect something to occur, if nothing *nothing* happens, probably I will not follow McCanney anymore.
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This events are from 2010 June 3 - 2010 Aug 20 - 2012 Sep 10. Was at that times a comet in the vicinity of Jupiter?

Again you try to distract peopüle by changig topic and presentig something, that for a layman seems to be a legit answer.

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 Quoting: Hydra


See again at the 30secs an explosion followed by the impact of the comet. How could a little snow ball produce a full of light explosion visible from Earth only coliding with clouds? And creating marks visible for days? These are clouds, should not persist.

It is only an interpretation, I know, but this seems very electric to me.

If you want images of electric discharges occurring before the impact, I don't have it. I expect to get one if you wait for next October.

Why don't you help explaining, at NASA's model, how could that strange electric discharge occuring by itself in Jupiter on Sept. 10th 2012? With or without comet, is very hard to explain an electrical discharge in outer space when any electric current should be neutralized immediatelly? Please, don't ignore it.
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If you use Stellarium you should see, that it is at mag 10something at 2012 Oct. 1st.
Stellarium shows you just the position of the comet, not that it is visible at that date.
 Quoting: Hydra

Yes, it does that. You only have to push a button and he will say if you will be able to see the comet.
 Quoting: glauco

May be you have to learn how Stellarium works. Too much to explain why you are wrong. You should download and read the manual.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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You're once again stuck in this false adversarial mindset of yours. This is not a competition of egos or personas, I can and will address the claim, it doesn't matter if I do it face to face or just on this forum and in youtube videos. The medium and location in which I do it is irrelevant.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Alright, but it is not enough. It is good as an exercise, only that.
 Quoting: glauco

I hate to break it to you, but you are not the arbiter of what is "good enough." The facts are the facts, regardless of what falsehoods McCanney spouts.
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Neither you.
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If this will be naked eye visible I don't know, ...
 Quoting: glauco

That I didn't ask.
McC claims it will be visible naked eye in the morning sky and I asked: Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see the comets approach with the naked eye?

Don't dance around.
Simple question - so I expect a simple answer.
 Quoting: Hydra

I said "Probably, depends on what I will see.".
 Quoting: glauco

Still dancing around and avoiding my question:
I asked: Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see the comets approach with the naked eye?

Simple question - Why don't you give a simple answer?

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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If you use Stellarium you should see, that it is at mag 10something at 2012 Oct. 1st.
Stellarium shows you just the position of the comet, not that it is visible at that date.
 Quoting: Hydra

Yes, it does that. You only have to push a button and he will say if you will be able to see the comet.
 Quoting: glauco

May be you have to learn how Stellarium works. Too much to explain why you are wrong. You should download and read the manual.


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that was irony in glauco's post cruise

what a retard
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03/29/2013 10:38 AM
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
You are a LIAR - this is from page 6:
Thread: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber. (Page 6)


And this is, what you asked for on page 4 before you asked for pictures on page 6:
Alright, so where is the ice of the comets? Bring the data if you can.
 Quoting: glauco

Thread: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber. (Page 4)


Stop lying and trying to distract readers by giving false quotes..
 Quoting: Hydra


You are the distracting liar here! Exactly what I ask for: real data in page 4, real pictures in page 6. We are on page 13, and you bring only interpreted data (you said, I don't see anything and you refuse to bring them again. I will not repage to find.), but I ask for real hi def pictures, as the spacecrafts were equiped with real good military equipments.

Where is the pictures, ancient monster? If you don't have, say that and let it go!
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03/29/2013 10:44 AM
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
If you use Stellarium you should see, that it is at mag 10something at 2012 Oct. 1st.
Stellarium shows you just the position of the comet, not that it is visible at that date.
 Quoting: Hydra

Yes, it does that. You only have to push a button and he will say if you will be able to see the comet.
 Quoting: glauco

May be you have to learn how Stellarium works. Too much to explain why you are wrong. You should download and read the manual.
 Quoting: Hydra


You should. Look for Observability Analysys in the setup page.
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03/29/2013 10:46 AM

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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
Why do you shorten the quotes? Do you hope you can confuse the readers?

Let me complete the quote:
In return I will buy his eBook "COMETS" if you can provide at least three non telescopic, non long exposure photos showing Mars, C/2012 S1 (ISON) and a reference plane (horizon, building, etc) in the same photo until 2013 Oct. 5th. In case you get those photos, please provide the originals including exif data.
 Quoting: Hydra

You need all of this to expend 12 dolars? Sorry man, don't depend on me.
 Quoting: glauco

What does it mean: all of this?

It's just one claim (not two or three or four) - it's just the claim of visibility in the early morning sky.

Don't distract:
McCanneys on October 13, 2012:
"i have to let you know i made an initial error in reporting the Mars extreme close encounter on october 3 2013 (including the weeks leading up to this date) ... i originally stated on my show that this would not be visible in the morning sky but i revisited my information and in fact we will have a superb night time early morning view of the comet approaching mars"
[link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]
 Quoting: Hydra

You distract, I respond the same question a lot here but you insist. As I said, in Stellarium it is observable during that time frame. All scientists in the world, as you know, expects this comet to be naked eye visible, not only at night, but probably at day. They know they could be wrong, all of them said that, but the expectations are big.
 Quoting: Hydra

So what has the initial quote to do with Stellarium or with scientists in the world or naked eye visibility around the time of the closest approach to the sun and later earth?

Nothing. It has to do with McCanneys claim of naked eye visibility at closest approch to mars.

You simply try to confuse the readers of the thread by changing the topic all five minutes.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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03/29/2013 10:48 AM
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
Still dancing around and avoiding my question:
I asked: Will you back away from McCanneys hypothesis when you can't see the comets approach with the naked eye?

Simple question - Why don't you give a simple answer?
 Quoting: Hydra


You are asking for a personal opinion, not always a personal opinion will be "yes" or "no", I'm not so robotic to do so every time somebody asks hard questions to me. "Probably" is the best I can say.
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03/29/2013 10:50 AM

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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
Please be specific.
You do expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere.
or
You do not expect to see thunderbolts from ISON to Mars, huge volcanism activity, sparks, huge auroras and storms, Mars getting completelly shrouded by it's coma, and if I'm lucky, water and a new atmosphere.

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 Quoting: Hydra


Don't do turns in my words to gain time, I will not stop.
I mean I do not expect no effects at all, I expect something to occur, if nothing *nothing* happens, probably I will not follow McCanney anymore.
 Quoting: glauco

That's a good start.


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

aseindia
Annular Solar Eclipse - January 15, 2010 - Rameshwaram, India
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03/29/2013 10:54 AM
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
So what has the initial quote to do with Stellarium or with scientists in the world or naked eye visibility around the time of the closest approach to the sun and later earth?

Nothing. It has to do with McCanneys claim of naked eye visibility at closest approch to mars.

You simply try to confuse the readers of the thread by changing the topic all five minutes.
 Quoting: Hydra


You and your friends changes topics every time. You said that McCanney made a mistake stating that this comet will be visible in the morning sky. I said it is observable at least in Stellarium, who have a tool to analyse it. I can't say by myself if it will be visible or not because I don't know how to calculate it, so I use an specialized tool to do so. Every scientist in the world expect this comet to be naked eye visible a little later then McCanney, he expects sooner because his theoretical model do so, as the theoretical dirty ice snowball states that it is made of ice. Why can't you split what is direct observation and what is predicted by models?
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03/29/2013 10:57 AM
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
You sure like dancing around the maypole Glauco.
You are very repetitive, you do not answer questions asked properly and you are quoting incoherently.
As a lurker looking in I think you are making a fool of yourself.
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
I want the ninja!
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