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Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.

 
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What an excellent thread!
Thanks for your observations OP........
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OP -- well done in your assertions. I agree the "Comet" is much more than your average comet, and thank you for the images of the surrounding moons. Couple this with the ME TEL U thread, and we have some interesting times ahead.

The thread would be better (as most would be) if it would not degenerate into scientific drivel and argument with "Dr." Astro. He does this to all threads and it really takes away from the content, which, I am sure he knows and does on purpose.

Having said that, perhaps we could just ignore him? There is no need to answer his questions or even acknowledge him for that matter. It would improve the thread immensely.
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Well excepting that he has been CORRECT over and over your idea would have some merit.......
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What is OP?
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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I see, so you asked for an example showing massive and rapid volcanism, surface changes, and atmosphere changes, I provide it, you ignore it and want a complete do-over of the entire argument with you getting to put words in my mouth right at the start.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

That's why I didn't quote you: it was getting so long that I did not see your example. Io is not a valid example, as it is always an inferno, I'm talking about "from heaven to hell".
 Quoting: glauco

Moving the goalposts. I can see it's why you didn't quote me though. Heaven forbid you should have to address it and show your intellectual dishonesty again. If you removed Jupiter from the equation Io would go dormant. Moons further from Jupiter are examples of less activity, though you couldn't call them dead either.
The big thing to realize on Io would be the contrary: to Io turns from Inferno to Heaven.
 Quoting: glauco

Moving the goalposts. If you don't care that Io is a moon, and you have indicated that is not your problem with it, then your goalpost has been met. Now answer my question as you agreed to.
Regardless of what he said, atmospheric changes are not proof of the comet's size. Orbital perturbations of Mars or the lack thereof are.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

So how would you explain Mars getting blue, yellow, green, marble brown or gray one week after this comet passage if it is not a big one?
 Quoting: glauco

Considering you and your self-admitted layman knowledge, it will most likely be a case of chromatic aberration or poor white balance. Whatever the case it will be irrelevant and have nothing to do with the mass of the comet which I will show is not at all like what McCanney claimed it was. The question is whether you will ignore that empirical data or not. Yes or no?
Excuse me, I never said that.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Yes, you did. You know I can't do that but you don't care, you want my blood.
 Quoting: glauco

No, I did not say that. I don't care that you're incapable of doing the measurements yourself because that is your problem and has nothing to do with the real issue. I never said anything about wanting your blood. Your vile statement that you falsely (lie) attributed to me had nothing to do with what I've been saying.
This is not a competition, a bet, or a race to see who has telescopic equipment and who does not.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

No this is a bet to see if the comet is large or not.
 Quoting: glauco

It is not a bet. I did not ask you to wager anything, I only asked a simple question, will you ignore empirical evidence showing that the mass of the comet is not what McCanney claimed. Yes or no?
I will provide the data and the empirical data are all that matter, not who it came from.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

What matter is that I should be able to check if your data is correct or not.
 Quoting: glauco

You can, there is nothing physically preventing you from doing so. You can recheck my calculations if you like, even acquire your own data to recheck the results, that is up to you.
Would not you take a picture by yourself from Jupiter if NASA says that it begun to light like a star?
 Quoting: glauco

Another irrelevant question, but yes of course I would take a picture of Jupiter if NASA said it began to shine like a star, I take pictures of Jupiter all the time anyway.
If you wish to do it yourself as well you're welcome to, you have until October to learn how to do so.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Could do, but can't guarantee, so I can't bet.
 Quoting: glauco

You still don't get it. This is not a bet or a competition. I did not ask you to wager anything, I only asked a simple question, will you ignore empirical evidence showing that the mass of the comet is not what McCanney claimed. Yes or no?
You can buy or rent a telescope as needed.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Man, this is not America, this is Brazil.
 Quoting: glauco

Irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that services like itelescope.net are not banned in Brazil.
You do not have to do so and it is really irrelevant to the matter, the question is whether you will ignore empirical data when it is presented.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

You say that is not important to check if the other guy really won the bet? I don't think so!
 Quoting: glauco

It's not a goddamn bet, it's a question of whether you will ignore the empirical data or not. If you want to check my calculations you're absolutely free to do so. Nothing is preventing you. Your ignorance is not a valid excuse. Answer the question.
I have asked this over and over and you still refuse to give an answer. Instead you ignore what I said and put words in my mouth.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Don't try to turn the game.
 Quoting: glauco

You're the one putting words in my mouth. It's not a competition, bet, or game, it's just a question. Answer it.
Answer the question, will you ignore the empirical data if it shows that Mars' orbit was not perturbed and the mass of the comet was low contrary to what McCanney claimed. Yes or no?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Depends on. Will you ignore if Mars get Olympus and other volcanos going off, turns its atmosphere to blue, yellow, green, marble brown or gray one week after this comet passage?
 Quoting: glauco

I wouldn't "ignore" that if it actually happened, it would be an exciting time to study Mars, but I fully expect you to claim it happened even though it didn't, and such an event happening would not be proof of ISON's mass. I will demonstrate that ISON's mass is not what McCanney claimed and the way to do that is by looking at what effect it does or doesn't have on Mars' orbit. Will you ignore that empirical evidence which IS a test of ISON's mass (unlike your other nonsense about the color of mars), yes or no?
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So the big question is, when will this thing arrive? I have heard November, and it will be visible in June? Correct?
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Define "arrive." According to current projections it will reach naked eye magnitude sometime in early November.
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 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thanks for responding back. So sounds like it will be visible in November? I heard that NASA said it will be as bright as the moon? I guess by arrive I meant closest to Earth. I'm not very knowledgable about this area, I am an engineer though, so I have a science and math background.
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Maybe, only if the current projections of its magnitude hold true. At the moment the comet is under-performing expectations and may not reach the magnitudes originally anticipated.
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Zetas were so 2003.... In any event that is not Nibiru. Why? Because you can't fathom what you are about to see. Planet X, nemisis, nibiru, or whatever you want to call it will not be seen. Why? Because its cold as death itself. Black as night. I assure u it's coming, not in that form. The comets that come are pretty much getting the fuck out of its way. Don't believe me? You will soon.
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I will provide the data and the empirical data are all that matter, not who it came from.
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What matter is that I should be able to check if your data is correct or not. Would not you take a picture by yourself from Jupiter if NASA says that it begun to light like a star?
 Quoting: glauco

Being unable to verify someone's claim based on empirical data simply because you lack the ability to produce your own data does not invalidate the claim. It only proves that you are not qualified to converse on this topic.

Dr. Astro conducting an experiment which you lack the ability to verify is not bad science; there are MANY other people who can validate or challenge his conclusions.

Whining about not being capable of replicating his experiment and trying to get him to work at your limited level is bad science.

To go back to your race example; you've challenged him to a race. He's showing up with a Ferrari and you're whining that its not fair that his tools are better suited to complete the race than yours are.

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Astro: In a literal sense it doesn't really count; the request was for a planet, not a moon, so that would ordinarily exclude Io from consideration. Nevertheless, I am glad it satisfied you.

It did. Remember "why exactly do YOU claim it should not be hard for an astronomer to produce an example of something that does not exist?".
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Why does anybody trust anybody who trusts the government ?

Speaking of course about Dr.PHD.Astro who also believes the governments story of 911.

If I'm wrong about your belief on 911 Dr.Astro I apologize in advance.
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This thread is declared DEAD ! DemiGod Asstro has spoken and The Cummedian concludes the NO DATA is sufficient from either one of them.

Meanwhile, as Asstro is 'bent over' for The Cummedien, there may be no more shitty replies, lol.
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I'd like a non-retard take on this.

Dr. Astro?
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Heh, yeah, this is the same sort of nonsense that was peddled for comet Elenin in 2011. Nothing new under the sun I suppose. This time the comet will pass close to Mars, which will provide an easy test to see if it's really "Nibiru," in other words, some sort of object with planetary mass or greater. I can tell you right now that it's just a comet and if anything it's showing some preliminary signs of being a letdown just like Elenin was. The latest magnitude measurements are dimmer than the projections, so it may not be as great of a comet as we were hoping to start with. Elenin also under-performed and then finally fell apart completely as minor long period comets sometimes do.

To put this in a layman analogy, imagine you have a slushi from 7-11. As you're sucking on it at some point the ice in the slushy will collapse as it becomes unstable. Of course it'll just form a new pile in your cup, but in space that's the equivalent of a comet crumbling when its volatile ices becomes critically depleted and the comet's nucleus becomes structurally unstable. Instead of slushi ice left over it's rock and dust and instead of slushi juice it's sub-surface ice that sublimates away. In space it doesn't just form a new clump, it floats apart as there isn't enough gravity there to pull it back together.
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I will provide the data and the empirical data are all that matter, not who it came from.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

What matter is that I should be able to check if your data is correct or not. Would not you take a picture by yourself from Jupiter if NASA says that it begun to light like a star?
 Quoting: glauco

Being unable to verify someone's claim based on empirical data simply because you lack the ability to produce your own data does not invalidate the claim. It only proves that you are not qualified to converse on this topic.

Dr. Astro conducting an experiment which you lack the ability to verify is not bad science; there are MANY other people who can validate or challenge his conclusions.

Whining about not being capable of replicating his experiment and trying to get him to work at your limited level is bad science.

To go back to your race example; you've challenged him to a race. He's showing up with a Ferrari and you're whining that its not fair that his tools are better suited to complete the race than yours are.
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Why does anybody trust anybody who trusts the government ?

Speaking of course about Dr.PHD.Astro who also believes the governments story of 911.

If I'm wrong about your belief on 911 Dr.Astro I apologize in advance.
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What exactly does Conspiracy Theory have to do with the Study of Astronomy?

Maybe your insight can be used in another thread??
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Repent, the DOOM is coming in 2080.

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What is OP?
 Quoting: glauco

Original Post, or Original Poster.

Original Post being the post that started the thread.
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First, Wikipedia is NOT an official source on anything.
Second, you should really actually READ it.

Hydra says you're wrong about Germany. I bet he could quote the relevant paragraph of the civil code.
I say you're wrong about the Netherlands. A nephew of mine is an Associate Professor of Mechanical Engineering at the University of Twente. Nobody calls him professor, they call him doctor.

So your statement that 'in any other country' every teacher can be called professor is wrong.

Thirdly, YOU made a claim, YOU must proof it.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Why is this so important if Professor McCanney DOES NOT uses this title? The problem here is me or Professor?
 Quoting: glauco

What is important here that you were certain something was true when it wasn't.
Ergo: we can't trust your judgement.

You also claimed that McCanneyism is true...

Excuse me?
None of the predictions made by McCanneyism that differs from the predictions of real physics have ever been observed to be true.
Even when they should have been.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Alright, give me an example of one prediction that Professor made that was wrong.
 Quoting: glauco

Comets have never produced ginormous lightning bolts, not even when passing close-by.

Well, let's close down the universities than.
Who needs them?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz,FCD

Yes, even people that can't read can recognize the true between the lines. This don't disregards universities nor science.
 Quoting: glauco

And that's why you are a cultist.

"It feels true" is more important to you than evidence.

YOU made the claim that McCanneyism was published in peer-reviewed papers.
YOU need to proof it.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Isn't that journals I sent to you peer reviewed??
 Quoting: glauco

Where is the McCanneyism in those papers?

Nobody but astronomers care about his run-of-the-mill ordinary space science.

So you are willing to lie.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Alright, so where is the ice of the comets? Bring the data if you can.
 Quoting: glauco

Why do I have to keep reminding you of the claims YOU made.

YOUR claim: No water found.
Now proof it.

How are you not a cultist?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Because I'm too smart to do so.
 Quoting: glauco

That's what culties often think.
Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

BTW, none of these probes got electrocuted, or had their orbits changed by these comets.
McCanney wrong again!
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Sure their orbit had not changed, these flybys occurred in small comets with no gravitational force.
 Quoting: glauco

Yeah, by pure random chance ALL the comets that had fly-by-s happened to be non-McCanneyist comets.

Than why are you a cultist in the Church of McCanneyism?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

What church?
 Quoting: glauco

The Church of McCanneyism.

There's a guru, affectionately addressed by his followers, who claims to have the only true insights in the nature of reality.
He never actually proofs anything but what he says "feels true."
His followers will stand on (digital) street-corners telling people passing by of this great revelation that will change your life if you only believe.
Etc.

I definitely get that vibe...

Cut it out.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I know you like flowers.
 Quoting: glauco

I do.
You're not my type.

I did not.

What I did is point out that it doesn't matter who claims what.
They still need to present the evidence.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Yes, Phil must present evidences that McCanney said that "All comets are large" and that "All comets gain mass". Professor never said that, but Phil likes to lie.
 Quoting: glauco

Watcha talkin' about.
I never mentioned Dr. Plait.

Just an example of a scientist of considerable reputation.
Yes, Hawking too would have to present evidence.

Only McCanney and woo-peddlers like him ever try to pull the "trust me, I'm a scientist" shtick.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

What Hawking did so important? He is a theorist, almost all of his ideas are yet to be confirmed.
 Quoting: glauco

What's your obsession with professor Hawking?
Any scientist would do as an example.

We want your evidence for McCanneyism, so far you've only produced a lot of handwaving, misdirection, and hot air.

Are you confused?

IF you claim there's a single scientist in the world familiar with McCanneyism who doesn't think it is a bunch of woo I'd really like to know who it is.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

You claim that no scientists in the world agree with McCanney, but I never said the oposite simple because I don't know.
 Quoting: glauco

End of this line of discussion.

Do you understand the difference between evidence and speculation?

Your claim: McCanney got canned for this and this reason.
So YOU need to provide evidence for:
A - McCanney DID get canned, rather than walked away.
B - The reason McCanney got canned.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I understand, but some speculations are very evidencies of the truth!
 Quoting: glauco

Speculation is never evidence of anything.

This whole scientific method thing you bragged about was just grand-standing, wasn't it?
Like so many woowoos you don't know what it means to proof something.
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Fantastic thread OP,
A wonderfully written and thoroughly researched article.
Is it true? I don't know, but I'd sooner take advice from someone that can spell. Cheers OP.
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So the big question is, when will this thing arrive? I have heard November, and it will be visible in June? Correct?
 Quoting: Jah Booty 975341


Define "arrive." According to current projections it will reach naked eye magnitude sometime in early November.
[link to www.aerith.net]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thanks for responding back. So sounds like it will be visible in November? I heard that NASA said it will be as bright as the moon? I guess by arrive I meant closest to Earth. I'm not very knowledgable about this area, I am an engineer though, so I have a science and math background.
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Maybe, only if the current projections of its magnitude hold true. At the moment the comet is under-performing expectations and may not reach the magnitudes originally anticipated.
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if you would not talk about it all day the GLP effect would stay deactivated and it would reach the ecpected magnitudes.

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Here's the obscure amateur image I've managed to find of Comet C/2012 S1 ISON taken in January 2013 for all the ADD/Demonic/Chaotic types so they don't have to read anything more than a few words and can quickly right it off with BS flags and make inane comments about Uranus.

[link to i791.photobucket.com]

I feel like the stripper who puts her jinger back on and walks down in to the audience to have a drink with the boys. Here's the back ground.

After the CometC/2010 X1 Elenin fizzle out last year, I lost interest in the whole PX/Nibiru/Red Dragon meme, which in hindsight we were all supposed via the to do as a result of the disinformation sown about the subject over the years, since the NASA psy-op Zetatalkby Nancy Leider brought it to prominence in the early years of 2000.

Zetatalks credibility was blown out of the water with the claim it would be seen on the 15 May 2003. When it didn't show up the Zetas confessed that date was a white lie just to get the subject in front of the public early. Just days ago Nancy then pops up claiming Zetatalk is the only authority to consider when looking for Planet X Earth Change information. Are we being set up for another round of disinformation.

A few days into the new year I became aware of a subtle energy change I found myself saying to the casual acquaintance who would quiz me about the latest doom news, "Not long to go now before the big Earth changes!" that was after the end of the Mayan Calendar came and went (another psy-op) I had no additional information yet something in me was confident the big changes were just around the proverbial corner.

I religiously check Space Weather's near Earth Object reports and noticed an influx of new asteroids all discovered in the new year. I threaded it on LOP and got a bit of interest.

Then the Pope resigned followed quickly by the Russian Meteorite and I was off the spidey senses were tingling.
I combed the news releases about the ISS and comets noticed the articles about the three for this year,

Comet Pan-STARRS (C/2011 L4)
Comet Lemmon (C/2012 F6)
Comet ISON (C/2012 S1)

Saw the official images which were just highly magnified images of feeble looking light smudges against the sea of streaked stars. Comet Lemmon was the brightest and best formed its luminescent blue/green colour I decided makes it a great candidate for the blue Kachina of the Hopi prophecy.
I checked the orbit diagrams noted none were coming from under the elliptic as we have been programmed to believe about PX. Why else were they racing to build infrared telescopes in Antarctica I reasoned. Comet C/2012 S1 ISON was coming from the opposite direction above the elliptic. So I moved on to other areas of Earth monitoring.

I picked up on a rumour started by a major Electric Universe Scientist that he was hearing chatter about an incoming mini solar system type object spotted just outside Jupiter's orbit. I remembered reading one of the comets had been discovered just outside the orbit of Jupiter.

I Combed the alternate space weather sites again but could find nothing. Then articles appeared about C/2012 S1 ISON could be a candidate for a major spectacle as its orbit was following that of the Great Comet of1680. No sooner had that article appeared then another one came out disputing that saying Comet displays are highly unpredictable and listing all the comets that were hyped up but fizzled out.

This piece of cognitive dissonance annoyed me. I had read C/2012 S1 ISON's core was a big as a mountain at least twice as big as Comet Lovejoy and hadn't started out gassing yet. It's orbit would start above the elliptic lit up by the Sun and it would swing close by Mars in plain view from the Earth before dipping below the elliptic at around 1 AU from the Sun (Great View from Antarctica) rip around the Sun's South Pole inside the orbit of Mercury before screaming out of the solar system from the Sun up and out above Earths North Pole in high arc. If that wasn't going to look pretty neat I don't know what was.

It then occurred to me they don't want us looking at it. Comb the internet again, despite all the high profile, main stream telescopes out there as usual we have to rely on the amateurs for any images. Like our tax money pays for these big toys and we have to wait years to get images that have been purged of any anomalies likely to dispute the Newtonian Physics world view.

Trying to find the mass of any comet is a difficult thing, for years now that information is classified like they don't want us know how big are these things that are increasingly blasting though our solar system.

They don't need to know the mass to calculate an orbit. Remember the old school physics video when they drop a wooden ball and a iron ball of a tower and see which on hits first. They both hit at the same time its Newtons Law the force of gravity is a constant.

They use observations to plot the objects movement and extrapolate the orbit based on Keplers laws which predict freely falling Solar bodies move in a conic orbit with the Sun at one of the foci that sweeps equal areas in equal time periods according to a known constant.

None of the Ephemerides of the Near Earth Objects have a value for mass. They calculate mass using other methods active and passive to measure density, so arriving at an estimated value.

Pulling up obscure academic PDF articles which is about as exciting as reading a reserve bank annual report. The authors report little evidence of cometary activity. ( No Out Gassing) blah jargon blah, meaningless graphs, obligatory comment dirty snowball blah blah..Then I came across this image buried in the document.

[link to i791.photobucket.com]

First impression its spherical, icy objects need to be over 400 km in diameter to reach hydrostatic equilibrium with gravity and take on a spherical shape. That's a big mountain!

Then I notice the angular diameter scale in arc seconds. C/2012 S1 is 15 arc seconds wide! That's 50,000 kilometres at 5.22 AU distance from the Sun. Jupiter at the same distance is 30 arc seconds the same width as the scale line. Its half the size of Jupiter! The Earth's average diameter is 12,742 kilometres so its four times as big as the Earth!

I rush off looking up astronomy tables to compare the sizes. Then come back for a third look at the image and do my second double take of the evening I can make out the companion moons right beside it!

Here's some later images with internal processed images and one I jacked up the red hue saturation to reveal the cold detail.

[link to i791.photobucket.com]

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Moving the goalposts. I can see it's why you didn't quote me though. Heaven forbid you should have to address it and show your intellectual dishonesty again.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I'm always quoting you, I started over because it was getting a mess and I really do not see your example. Why would I ignore it if I'm really picking everything you said since the first page???

If you removed Jupiter from the equation Io would go dormant. Moons further from Jupiter are examples of less activity, though you couldn't call them dead either.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Yeah, I know, but is not the example I ask for you. Io is always changing, I want an example of a dorment planet or moon that started suddenly to show huge transformations in its atmosphere and surface, not a place where it is always changing!

Moving the goalposts. If you don't care that Io is a moon, and you have indicated that is not your problem with it, then your goalpost has been met. Now answer my question as you agreed to.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I said, I don't agree with Io. A place that is always changing is at the same time a place that nothing changes!

Considering you and your self-admitted layman knowledge, it will most likely be a case of chromatic aberration or poor white balance.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

At least you would be able to check by yourself with your own cheap equipment. I would not be able to do the same in your conditions.

Whatever the case it will be irrelevant and have nothing to do with the mass of the comet which I will show is not at all like what McCanney claimed it was.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

This have everything to do with the comet size. How to explain a planet gaining or loosing its atmosphere, getting volcanos going off, turning the surface color just after a close comet encounter if not by its size?? If small comets can do that, man I'm really concerned!

The question is whether you will ignore that empirical data or not. Yes or no?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

If you don't ignore mine, I will not ignore yours.

No, I did not say that.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

You almost did.

I don't care that you're incapable of doing the measurements yourself because that is your problem and has nothing to do with the real issue.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

This is between me and you, so this really has something to do with the issue.

Your vile statement that you falsely (lie) attributed to me had nothing to do with what I've been saying.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I guess you type with a knife every time you responde me.

It is not a bet.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Yes, it is.

I did not ask you to wager anything,
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Yes, you did, you ask me to abandon McCanney if no orbital changing occurs with Mars. This is a bet.

I only asked a simple question, will you ignore empirical evidence showing that the mass of the comet is not what McCanney claimed. Yes or no?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I will not ignore yours if you don't ignore mine.

You can, there is nothing physically preventing you from doing so.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

No equipment, no know-how. I guess I'm in a little disadvantage here.

You can recheck my calculations if you like, even acquire your own data to recheck the results, that is up to you.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

No, I can't. But you can take pictures of Mars if you wish.

Another irrelevant question, but yes of course I would take a picture of Jupiter if NASA said it began to shine like a star, I take pictures of Jupiter all the time anyway.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Nice, but I can't do the same with orbital movements.

You still don't get it. This is not a bet or a competition. I did not ask you to wager anything, I only asked a simple question, will you ignore empirical evidence showing that the mass of the comet is not what McCanney claimed. Yes or no?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Yes, you did.

Irrelevant. I'm pretty sure that services like itelescope.net are not banned in Brazil.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Never heard about. Will see if this is valid in this case or not. What if this thing gets offline just during ISON timeframe?

It's not a goddamn bet, it's a question of whether you will ignore the empirical data or not. If you want to check my calculations you're absolutely free to do so. Nothing is preventing you. Your ignorance is not a valid excuse. Answer the question.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

It is a bet and I'm trying to make it just.

You're the one putting words in my mouth. It's not a competition, bet, or game, it's just a question. Answer it.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

You put words in my mouth and broke my small direct statements into smaller indirect ones.

I wouldn't "ignore" that if it actually happened, it would be an exciting time to study Mars, but I fully expect you to claim it happened even though it didn't,
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

You could check easily with your monster equipment.

and such an event happening would not be proof of ISON's mass.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

Yes, it is. You can't igore a little calm planet turning to an celestic inferno overnight just after a comet encounter.

I will demonstrate that ISON's mass is not what McCanney claimed and the way to do that is by looking at what effect it does or doesn't have on Mars' orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

It is not enough. McCanney's claims about atmosphere and surface changing being more important than that, so if you want to debunk McCanney, you must do that in all directions.

Will you ignore that empirical evidence which IS a test of ISON's mass (unlike your other nonsense about the color of mars), yes or no?
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

I will not ignore your data if you don't ignore mine.
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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I will provide the data and the empirical data are all that matter, not who it came from.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

What matter is that I should be able to check if your data is correct or not. Would not you take a picture by yourself from Jupiter if NASA says that it begun to light like a star?
 Quoting: glauco

Being unable to verify someone's claim based on empirical data simply because you lack the ability to produce your own data does not invalidate the claim. It only proves that you are not qualified to converse on this topic.

Dr. Astro conducting an experiment which you lack the ability to verify is not bad science; there are MANY other people who can validate or challenge his conclusions.

Whining about not being capable of replicating his experiment and trying to get him to work at your limited level is bad science.

To go back to your race example; you've challenged him to a race. He's showing up with a Ferrari and you're whining that its not fair that his tools are better suited to complete the race than yours are.
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How I can bet something I cannot do?
In the Ferrri example HE challenged me.
Listen to McCanney: [link to jmccsci.com]
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Why is this so important if Professor McCanney DOES NOT uses this title? The problem here is me or Professor?

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Mr J Mccanney is NOT a professor.
Let me show you some of his bio, written for his book 'The Weather Book', taken from HIS website.

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He was offered full scholarship awards to three major US physics graduate schools to pursue his graduate physics studies. However, he chose instead to postpone

 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]




He was again offered a full fellowship to continue on with Ph.D. studies, but once again he declined
 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]


In 1979 he joined the faculty of Cornell University, Ithaca N.Y. as an introductory instructor in physics.
 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]


Mr. McCanney was removed from his teaching position because of his beliefs regarding the electro-dynamic nature of the solar system.
 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]



Where did he get his title of Professor from ?
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What an excellent thread!
Thanks for your observations OP........
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OP -- well done in your assertions. I agree the "Comet" is much more than your average comet, and thank you for the images of the surrounding moons. Couple this with the ME TEL U thread, and we have some interesting times ahead.

The thread would be better (as most would be) if it would not degenerate into scientific drivel and argument with "Dr." Astro. He does this to all threads and it really takes away from the content, which, I am sure he knows and does on purpose.

Having said that, perhaps we could just ignore him? There is no need to answer his questions or even acknowledge him for that matter. It would improve the thread immensely.
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I agree. Astro completely fucking DESTROYS threads. Some people thought they reached enlightenment when science got popular. Some realized it was just another form of bullshit. I love how astro is able to completely debunk things I have literally witnessed, but based on his calculations (Probably on a spread sheet he made) will render your opinion false, also jupiter's orbit correct, and the moon's tilt unchanged. It never fails. Bet? Post a moon tilt thread, astro will be there within 30 minutes.
Won't leave til you agree or everyone leaves cause it's derailed. In the argument he will back up his beliefs with many NASA images, which anyone on a conspiracy site would not even think to do. Astroshill is one of the biggest problems on this website because he is endorsed by those that own it, otherwise he would not be here, as his bullshit is clearly see through to those that have their eyes open.
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I have a pain between my ears from reading five pages of arguments, I will research this by myself, for myself- won't inflict it on anyone! LOL
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What an excellent thread!
Thanks for your observations OP........
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1512463


OP -- well done in your assertions. I agree the "Comet" is much more than your average comet, and thank you for the images of the surrounding moons. Couple this with the ME TEL U thread, and we have some interesting times ahead.

The thread would be better (as most would be) if it would not degenerate into scientific drivel and argument with "Dr." Astro. He does this to all threads and it really takes away from the content, which, I am sure he knows and does on purpose.

Having said that, perhaps we could just ignore him? There is no need to answer his questions or even acknowledge him for that matter. It would improve the thread immensely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37038959


I agree. Astro completely fucking DESTROYS threads. Some people thought they reached enlightenment when science got popular. Some realized it was just another form of bullshit. I love how astro is able to completely debunk things I have literally witnessed, but based on his calculations (Probably on a spread sheet he made) will render your opinion false, also jupiter's orbit correct, and the moon's tilt unchanged. It never fails. Bet? Post a moon tilt thread, astro will be there within 30 minutes.
Won't leave til you agree or everyone leaves cause it's derailed. In the argument he will back up his beliefs with many NASA images, which anyone on a conspiracy site would not even think to do. Astroshill is one of the biggest problems on this website because he is endorsed by those that own it, otherwise he would not be here, as his bullshit is clearly see through to those that have their eyes open.
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The stupid, it hurts!
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Re: Comet C/2012 S1 ISON is Nibiru the great perturber.
Why is this so important if Professor McCanney DOES NOT uses this title? The problem here is me or Professor?

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Mr J Mccanney is NOT a professor.
Let me show you some of his bio, written for his book 'The Weather Book', taken from HIS website.

...


He was offered full scholarship awards to three major US physics graduate schools to pursue his graduate physics studies. However, he chose instead to postpone

 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]




He was again offered a full fellowship to continue on with Ph.D. studies, but once again he declined
 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]


In 1979 he joined the faculty of Cornell University, Ithaca N.Y. as an introductory instructor in physics.
 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]


Mr. McCanney was removed from his teaching position because of his beliefs regarding the electro-dynamic nature of the solar system.
 Quoting: [link to www.jmccanneyscience.com]



Where did he get his title of Professor from ?
 Quoting: Wispa


Professor - A scholarly teacher.

Do I need to direct you to the line in your post where you cite McCanney as a teacher with a PHD (A scholarly teacher)? Or can we agree you were wrong here.
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I have a pain between my ears from reading five pages of arguments, I will research this by myself, for myself- won't inflict it on anyone! LOL
 Quoting: SpiderJones


Someone who truly has the answer is content in their own knowledge, and only need lead the way for others, not force their opinion in a barbaric argument which leads no where. This is shilltactic #1.
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NOTHING WILL HAPPEN.

PROBABLY YOU WON'T EVEN BE ABLE TO SEE IT WITH NAKED EYES.

BITCHES.
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Professor - A scholarly teacher.

Do I need to direct you to the line in your post where you cite McCanney as a teacher with a PHD (A scholarly teacher)? Or can we agree you were wrong here.
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I must have been mistaken when I read that you have to have a P.H.D to even think of becoming a Professor.

He didn't finish his P.H.D

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I gave you five stars.

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