Why do some people dislike spirituality?

Many lying spirits have gone out into the world.

But there is only one Holy Spirit.

Some educated people who I work with don't even know that they have a spirit. So when I try to tell them that they do, they refuse to believe, and think I'm talking nonsense.

People tend to not believe something that they don't understand.

I didn't say I have a problem with spirituality I said the mind is limited.

Spirituality doesn't make it any better. Scientists are not stupid. They just choose to ignore what cannot be measured. Just like some spiritual people are not educated in what science really is. It's not a religion. Atheism is religion.

And to show I am not totally spiritually retarded as I am in other ways, here is a lil' story from Indra. (I looked for the video but couldn't find it.)

[link to www.wisdomportal.com]

Most I've seen are afraid of going inside, living from and in the heart and instead are focused on the outside with the mind/ego.

People dont want to accept that what they feel is apart of them. They dont wanna hear that their actions dont have consequences.

The leap of faith is alittel too far for some : )

They only believe in what they can see...smell...or touch.

People are scared of things and deny things they don't fully understand.

And the thought of giving up their pride of life, ego, vanity scares them also.

The one true evil... the preconceived notion.

why do some people dislike chocolate?

Why do some (most) people have fucking godawful music taste?

It is simple people that dislike spirituality is just they cant like in that environment they are so adopted to this world that they can't change then self so they start hating what they can't get.

I think Spirituality makes it MUCH better.

The mind without Spirit, is like a planet without a Sun. There is no hope for such a planet. Even the best humanoid to exist on such a body is doomed to fail in its knowledge, purpose and existence, regardless of how clever they think they are.

Listen, when making this discussion, it is very difficult. Because what I have in my mind, when saying spirituality, and what you have, is probably different.

I think without a doubt scientists are very stupid.

Imagine this, every eureka moment that every scientist has ever had in any invention, was a momentarily glimpse of what the Spiritual side of man is capable of. Now imagine that eureka moment being permanent. If people think that scientists are smart I feel sorry for them. They obviously have no idea, that there are far superior things than the mind can ever dream of attaining. Every genius you have ever heard of that can make impossible calculations within seconds without pen or paper, or can recall impossible details, is only a tip of the iceberg of true potential.

The sages in the past, the ancient civilizations, they knew so much about astronomy, constructions, medicine etc. People are surprised when they see how the ancients knew so much. What I find surprising, is how people find it surprising that they knew more. Of course they did. Civilizations that are spiritual are far superior to those that are not. Do people perhaps think they are better than their ancestors? Of ancient civilizations? People brainwashed by evolution, assume they are better than the ones before them, but infact they are worse. This humanity is infact devolving...

There is the mind, then there is the Spirit, and it surpasses the mind in every way...

It's like going to a poor isolated village which has lost touch with the rest of humanity, and some poor kid treating 33.6kps dial-up internet connection the best there ever is just because he doesn't know any better. While the stupid humanoids of planet earth dabble in so-called science, extra-terrestrials inhabiting other galaxies KNOW so much more, and the best scientists in this world don't know of these things, and when told and explained they don't even have the capacity to comprehend it. How embarrassed they must be with their precious idiotic ego they cling to, like a junkie onto its cocaine.

This humanity, with its MIT, Harvard, Princeton, Cambridge, Oxford, NASA, quantum physicists, Theory of Everything obsessives etc is frightfully and mind numbingly stupid. But their ego, will reject this in every way. It can also reject it in very subtle ways, all for the sake of their ego, they will fail to recognize their own insignificance. And they will do this in a seemingly genius way, using scientific terminology to put a veil of brilliance to what is actually idiocy. Only the idiots get fooled by this.

But I say this knowing already what they know. I actually stopped studying Physics as my university degree, after having recognized its pointlessness. All the qualifications I have in the field of science means nothing to reality.

But I have come to understand, that there is a force that moves atheism. Yes there actually is. There is actually a very strange reason why people have different beliefs about these things, and you would not be able to guess what it is. This is why I post this. I am curios to know what people THINK it is.

Last Edited by Luke CosmicWalker on 03/01/2013 09:38 AM

Because spirituality often goes hand in hand with dumb shit like religion.

The only difference between the words "spirit" and "consciousness" is the context that they are usually used within.


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And we KNOW we have consciousness.


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I agree, it's just another name for witchcraft.

Im certain that whoever created us decided we are not supposed to, or capable of in the current state, to understand many many things.

I believe that if we were supposed to like spirituality then it would have been an integral part of our lifes, or something as straightforward as picking a fruit from a tree.

Knowing the extent of deviation from natural state that people do in order to understand/interact/control metaphysics, cosmology and "all things spirituality", to me its clear that by design its something we were not supposed to do, going well beyond the scope of whatever purpose we might have in the grand scheme of things.


At the same time, its also an obvious deduction that we human beings are not accidental, coincidental, purposeless or entirely on our own.


So we are not supposed to know certain things by design, and at the same time we are here and supposed to do or experience something.

Taking a simple male human, who grows up, survives (food/water/shelter) find a female human, reproduces and dies as the standard of our human kind for thousands of years, everywhere in the solid surface of the planet... any "spiritual" likes/dislikes/interferences are obvious deviations from the natural circle of life and a big one at that.

If the natural cycle of life somehow involved known external/spiritual influences by default on a daily basis, then I would conclude that it would therefore be part of the standard things we are supposed to take part on.

As it stand, we have simple concepts such as birth, death, hunger, thirsty, lust, socialization that are part of our natural life.

So its also clear that those are things we are supposed to aknowledge and temper our lifes with. The consequences and influences of those are also clearly distinct and opposites... what we call "dualism" or "good and evil", wich is just an interpretation, an inference of the collective experiences of those who lived in those same natural circunstances, subject to the same concepts as birth, death, hunger, thirst, lust, socialization...

Experiencing all that and evidencing its dual nature, its causes and consequences seem to be another natural, unavoidable consequence of living, such that I could evaluate it as one of the purposes of existing, in the subgenre, "learning".

Since the "spirituality" topic is very broad now as we understand, Its safe to say that most of the "spirituality" does not belong in our supposed/intended natural life cycle, neither to a "learning purpose" in life, due to it not being readily available in our designed/default/natural paths.

Therefore, I, as a designer interpreting human beings conditions, cannot conclude that most or all "spirituality" should be liked, since to me, its clear that most of it (excluding birth and death as examples) are A DEVIATION from our supposed natural life cycles and experiences.


Just put yourself in the position of whoever created you, not the current make up, but the natural, un-bypass-able, "must experience" things of life for a human being.


Then there some obvious problems, such as "if you do not know" as opposed to "you could have known", then its clear that you are not supposed to known.

Not in the sense that you are not supposed to breath water instead of air, but in the sense that you could known, but why would you? Or in the sense that "are you supposed to?"

Like stealing the fire from the gods, or eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Since its clear there is this CHOICE to be made, unlike breating water instead of air.

It then calls to attention, that choices have consequences and that since you again dont know, but you could known, there is likely the possibility that your CHOICE is being observed or will be known by that wich made you. Since you did not made yourself.

Unless you believe human beings are accidental, coincidental, with no purposefull intelligent design and even if what created you could have made a mistake or no longer exist somehow, wich are stretches of imagination so large and improbable that one should obviously ask itself "what would be the purpose of believing or spreading those notions in the first place?"

So you could clearly understand the whole purpose of the design, by analyzing the design, understanding all choices and its consequences in the same manner... simply by perceiving what is natural, standard, default, or "by design" in human beings and its most simple external world interactions.



Thats why I dislike "spirituality".

Even when you are sleeping and start seeing a fountain of living waters sort of thing on top of your head and start listening to a bunch of voices saying in waves "Glory to God", "Glory to God" over and over until you wake up, its certainly a deviation from natural, an external influence.

The question is, why now?

Im not a "non divine intervention" apologist.

I recognize human beings are not self reliant and at the same time, it would be too chaotic to live births/deaths/thirst/hunger/lust/etc

because otherwise the clusterfuck would prevent any development or purposes to be reached or any variable experiences to be had or aknowledged or passed over and so on.


But still, I would set the spirituality sliders at a very low % and make good use of them, whenever they are needed. Using with restriction.

Then the whole thing would pointless/purposeless if we remained in the state of nature with 0% spirituality.

If that was like that, we wouldnt be here and we wouldnt even be able to recognize or conclude that, because we would be too busy with whatsort of conditions a "state of nature" would have brought us.

Not even the concepts of Hell people invisioned through the years conceive it or anything in a pure state of nature.

I should have said, "Science isn't stupid." Scientists on the other hand, like all people, vary. Spirituality (Whether you are talking about, an ever knowing consciousness or a "something" that guides you through a stream of infinite consciousness) does not change the fact that humans are limited to only a portion of it and that so much of reality is subjective based on our experience.

Savants are often extremely limited in everything but their gifts. There are exceptions, but even those people have a hard time doing things that come easy to a general person.

I don't know much about physics except my old roommate could build a theoretical nuclear bomb but could barely pay the rent. I can articulate words on paper better than most people, but I mumble like a crackhead when I speak in front of people.

If some asshole turned you off to science while at school because he had a hard on for his position, I am sorry. Some academics feel threatened by there students or it is part of the program to see how you fair in certain situations.

I recommend checking out this presentation By Daniel Tammet for TED. He has a very unique way of perceiving the world due to having synesthesia.

[link to www.ted.com]

AKA folks who wanna make money off other people's gullibility.

I didn't leave studying physics for any kind of reason like that. What you do there is projecting. People can only understand things by averages. How things usually happen and why.

And no science isn't stupid. But science is just a word. But science is today, it is turned stupid. Science is a form of knowledge, but today it has become decrepit.

Last Edited by Luke CosmicWalker on 03/01/2013 10:15 AM

Sorry, I wasn't being literal. I just like to take the opportunity when I can to point those type ponces out and call them assholes.

No facts, just room for different interpretations.
People want some certainty in life, and you cant' blame them for that.

Very interesting topic.

I have learned that we are really Spiritual beings having a physical life experience.

One way that I have been able to understand it is that in this physical life experience we are each a unique Conscious Self, which also always has in its mind TWO voices to choose to listen to.

One voice is the EGO, which is always ready to give us advice about everything.
And it is always wrong advice. Because it thinks only in duality logic, meaning it is always comparing and judging one thing from another, and by that, it comes to some conclusion which it thinks is the ONLY conclusion. And it is pretty much always wrong.

The ego is primarily concerned with this physical dimension, and it is connected to the body, especially the body’s sensations and appearances. Its mostly about image compared to other images it makes up for other people or things. Its specialty is that it always causes conflict.

When the Conscious Self chooses to listen to the ego, it actually believes it is the ego.

The Other Voice, is not one we made, but is the Voice God gave to us when He created us.
Its called our Christ self, and it is also called the Holy Spirit, and it is really God’s Voice in us.

In other cultures they also recognized this truth, and it is also called the Buddha mind/self, and also called Krishna consciousness.
It all means the same thing.

And when we listen to it for guidance, it always tells us the right thing to do.
And if we go deeper into learning how it can help us, then we will also learn about the principles of miracles, and how they can happen, and from where they come from.

But all of this spiritual stuff is not understood by the ego, and it also feels threatened by anything spiritual. Therefore it will make the person who is listening to and identifying with their ego fearful of anything that has a spiritual nature.

And that is really ironic, because we are SPIRITUAL.
AND THE EGO IS REALLY ONLY AN ILLUSION.

When the body dies, so does the ego, but the soul goes on eternally never dying, as it tries to learn about its true nature as a God created being.

And it could be a really nice trip without the ego.
But here we have to deal with it, so we should try to learn as much about it as we can, or it will manipulate us to no end.

And because most people are listening to their ego's for advice, some even believing they are their ego, and that is why so many people "dislike" spirituality.


ITS THE EGO THAT 'DISLIKES' SPIRITUALITY, BECAUSE IT CAN NOT UNDERSTAND ANYTHING SPIRITUAL.


Its an important subject, one of the most important issues to be thinking about.
Because it is about our True Self.

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some people lack having a soul. they shun all things spiritual.

"I dislike my own consciousness."

See, it just doesn't sound right when you say it like that. Although, that seems to be the more popular stance of most people these days.




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the bible says, the flesh warreth against the spirit. They are the opposing forces of consciousness. That is what the two intersecting triangles really represent.

The dynamic tension between the two, produce what we feel as self awareness.

unknown=discomfort?

This!