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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

 
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There is no belt in the moon studio, that's how...alien03
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well this about wraps it up!!!!!!!!
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Muddy thinking.

The OP's premise, baldly stated, is "How could they have gotten safely through a Van Allen Belt they didn't know was there?"

It pre-supposes that any radiation belt is impassible. If that were the case, then the number of them is immaterial.

If you can't pass through a radiation belt, then either of the two already known of are sufficient.

If you CAN pass through a radiation belt, then adding another one is hardly a show-stopper.
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

spock
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They went AROUND the majority of the belts.



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They don't make space suits like they used to...
 Quoting: BuggedOut


Yeah apparently we need some more of that space age late 60's technology!

What happened to us - did we just forget how to do stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

No. congress decided they didn't want to pay for it.

- I mean it's obvious that the computers we have now are shit compared to late 60's tech what with how they were able to program, pilot, land, blast off, re-couple and return to earth using total computing power of less than that of the average smartphone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

So? How many megabytes does it take to get to orbit? All the calculations were done in mainframes on Earth. The computers on the spacecraft did not have to co any calculations of their own.

Hell, they even beamed back live coverage of the landing and take-off from the surface of the moon (I kinda feel sorry for the camera man who was left behind and is unknown and unsung in the history of our illustrious space program)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

They used the same remotely controlled camera on the rover that they filmed the EVAs with.

while today we STILL get dropped cellphone calls and there is a patchwork of no cell coverage areas across the U.S.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

which has NOTHING to do with beaming a low bandwidth signal from the Moon and picking it up with giant receiving dishes.

Ditto with the micro meteorite defying anti radiation playtex space suits that could go from 253 F (123 C) in full sunlight to -243 F (153 C) in the shade without so much as any loss of surface plaibility or suit integrity let alone any noticeable discomfort to person wearing the suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

The exact SAME environment as in orbit. Gee, good thing that the universe follows the laws of thermodynamics that you apparently don't understand and things don't heat up immediately but rather take TIME to do so.


(My thanks to Dave McGowan for his Wag the Moon Doggie Series! Look it up if you haven;t read it!!)
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Yeah his stuff is hilarious! Always good for a laugh when you realize he knows NOTHING about physics, orbital mechanics, space travel, radiation, thermodynamics, etc. He flaunts his ignorance with every word he posts.
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They don't make space suits like they used to...
 Quoting: BuggedOut


Yeah apparently we need some more of that space age late 60's technology!

What happened to us - did we just forget how to do stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

No. congress decided they didn't want to pay for it.

- I mean it's obvious that the computers we have now are shit compared to late 60's tech what with how they were able to program, pilot, land, blast off, re-couple and return to earth using total computing power of less than that of the average smartphone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

So? How many megabytes does it take to get to orbit? All the calculations were done in mainframes on Earth. The computers on the spacecraft did not have to co any calculations of their own.

Hell, they even beamed back live coverage of the landing and take-off from the surface of the moon (I kinda feel sorry for the camera man who was left behind and is unknown and unsung in the history of our illustrious space program)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

They used the same remotely controlled camera on the rover that they filmed the EVAs with.

while today we STILL get dropped cellphone calls and there is a patchwork of no cell coverage areas across the U.S.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

which has NOTHING to do with beaming a low bandwidth signal from the Moon and picking it up with giant receiving dishes.

Ditto with the micro meteorite defying anti radiation playtex space suits that could go from 253 F (123 C) in full sunlight to -243 F (153 C) in the shade without so much as any loss of surface plaibility or suit integrity let alone any noticeable discomfort to person wearing the suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

The exact SAME environment as in orbit. Gee, good thing that the universe follows the laws of thermodynamics that you apparently don't understand and things don't heat up immediately but rather take TIME to do so.


(My thanks to Dave McGowan for his Wag the Moon Doggie Series! Look it up if you haven;t read it!!)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

Yeah his stuff is hilarious! Always good for a laugh when you realize he knows NOTHING about physics, orbital mechanics, space travel, radiation, thermodynamics, etc. He flaunts his ignorance with every word he posts.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine



shill shill shill

Glossary of rebuttals, copy and paste.

Text book.
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I think you may need to ask Al Gore what we don't know that we don't know.
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What about Donald Rumsfeld? "There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know."
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I think that the fact that so many here know so little science makes it impossible to explain how we went to the moon. There is the immutable assumption that everything works the same there as there in spite of the dramatic difference in environment.
The assumption that any radiation would stop the trip is also evident.
And calling anyone who disagrees a shill certainly doesn't help you gain a wider knowledge of the subject and the science.
In other words, you are to stupid to explain it to and you simple refuse to change that.
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Glossary of rebuttals, copy and paste.

Text book.
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Hypocrisy much?

Turbine posted a reasoned, hand-written post that probably took several minutes to compose.

You reply by pasting in one of the stock emoticons several times.

If there is a textbook behavior for knee-jerk reactionary, your post fits it much, much better.
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They don't make space suits like they used to...
 Quoting: BuggedOut


Yeah apparently we need some more of that space age late 60's technology!

What happened to us - did we just forget how to do stuff
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

No. congress decided they didn't want to pay for it.

- I mean it's obvious that the computers we have now are shit compared to late 60's tech what with how they were able to program, pilot, land, blast off, re-couple and return to earth using total computing power of less than that of the average smartphone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

So? How many megabytes does it take to get to orbit? All the calculations were done in mainframes on Earth. The computers on the spacecraft did not have to co any calculations of their own.

Hell, they even beamed back live coverage of the landing and take-off from the surface of the moon (I kinda feel sorry for the camera man who was left behind and is unknown and unsung in the history of our illustrious space program)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

They used the same remotely controlled camera on the rover that they filmed the EVAs with.

while today we STILL get dropped cellphone calls and there is a patchwork of no cell coverage areas across the U.S.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

which has NOTHING to do with beaming a low bandwidth signal from the Moon and picking it up with giant receiving dishes.

Ditto with the micro meteorite defying anti radiation playtex space suits that could go from 253 F (123 C) in full sunlight to -243 F (153 C) in the shade without so much as any loss of surface plaibility or suit integrity let alone any noticeable discomfort to person wearing the suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

The exact SAME environment as in orbit. Gee, good thing that the universe follows the laws of thermodynamics that you apparently don't understand and things don't heat up immediately but rather take TIME to do so.


(My thanks to Dave McGowan for his Wag the Moon Doggie Series! Look it up if you haven;t read it!!)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2836766

Yeah his stuff is hilarious! Always good for a laugh when you realize he knows NOTHING about physics, orbital mechanics, space travel, radiation, thermodynamics, etc. He flaunts his ignorance with every word he posts.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine



shill shill shill

Glossary of rebuttals, copy and paste.

Text book.
 Quoting: Rose 35347184


Translation: Here's someone that disagrees with me and gave the correct answers to hoax believer nonsense. Better throw out an insult and post some huge graphics to disguise the fact that I don't have a retort for the facts presented.

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I think you may need to ask Al Gore what we don't know that we don't know.
 Quoting: stustev

What about Donald Rumsfeld? "There are known knowns; there are things we know we know. We also know there are known unknowns; that is to say, we know there are some things we do not know. But there are also unknown unknowns – the ones we don’t know we don’t know."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22004273


It's very true (although it could be stated more elegantly!)

One has to study a subject for a while before one really learns how much there is to learn about it. But there is no easy mechanism for detecting when you need to study. The books are full of professionals who assume because they have expertise in one field, they understand a different one.

This is a particular problem in engineering, when you are building things in the real world that, if you didn't know you needed to understand, say, behavior of cryogenic liquids in a mixed-metals valve, you are going to end up with failures, explosions, loss of expensive parts and possible loss of life.

About the only rule of thumb I have to offer is; "Always assume things are more complicated than you think." Humans are complex creatures. They don't like to leave things alone. So it doesn't matter what the activity it is, whether it is geology, or collecting post office cancellation stamps, you can be certain that a few hours will NOT suffice to bring you up to a decent grasp of the field.
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

spock
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Because we didn't get there via rocket

Tesla's teleportation tech has been a reality since the 60s.

We went to the moon but not why, when, how and where they said.
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or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
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or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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I find it rather sad that the typical Apollo Denier these days isn't even up to being as stupid as Dave. Instead they have to resort to copying from him.

Which means not only do they not understand how wrong he is, they very possibly don't even understand the (erroneous) argument he is making in the first place!

Sad. Makes me think of the Argument Clinic sketch. You hope to be able to actually wrestle with some decent ideas, but the other party comes armed only with "yeah, your mother!"

Playing chess with pigeons, indeed.
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If you tell the truth you don't need a good memory.

You have to figure time and new science will continue to inadvertently effect the credibility of the moon story in one way or the other.


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Da Da daaa Da daaa da daaa ddaaaaaa DDDAAAA DDAAAA! (Star Trek Theme)

Moon Lander
[link to history.nasa.gov]


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oh we definetly rolled the dice going to the moon with as little info as we had at the time (and still do) about what is beyond our atmosphere.

big risks we took for sure.
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theres one.
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Da Da daaa Da daaa da daaa ddaaaaaa DDDAAAA DDAAAA! (Star Trek Theme)

Moon Lander
[link to history.nasa.gov]



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omg I LOVE THAT PIC! How long does the tape last? Nice handjob!
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Da Da daaa Da daaa da daaa ddaaaaaa DDDAAAA DDAAAA! (Star Trek Theme)

Moon Lander
[link to history.nasa.gov]



 Quoting: BuggedOut


Good vid!

What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Moon Lander
[link to history.nasa.gov]

omg I LOVE THAT PIC! How long does the tape last? Nice handjob!
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We stole the technology for kevlar/mylar sticky tape from the Russians. 10 agents lost their lives to bring this to the US. Without the nano-resin paper mache technology pioneered in the Disney 33° secret mountain base in Nebraska, the damn Ruskies would have beaten us to the Moon, and all mining and Moon base sovereignty rights therewith - (as well as action figure and sole Apollo marketing rights)



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Why no moon rovers?
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What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Prove it. I'll bet you can't.

The problem with the government (or any other organization) supposedly having tech that far advanced is that technology does not develop in isolation. Advances in one field most often lead to advances in others. The sciences are related. For some group to have far advanced tech it begs the question how nobody else could happen upon similar advances.
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nomuse back for another asskicking. rehash repeat....again.
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What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Prove it. I'll bet you can't.

The problem with the government (or any other organization) supposedly having tech that far advanced is that technology does not develop in isolation. Advances in one field most often lead to advances in others. The sciences are related. For some group to have far advanced tech it begs the question how nobody else could happen upon similar advances.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine



they do - come up with similar advances - which are promptly suppressed

suppression can take several forms

shut up

work for us

or have an accident
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Prove it. I'll bet you can't.

The problem with the government (or any other organization) supposedly having tech that far advanced is that technology does not develop in isolation. Advances in one field most often lead to advances in others. The sciences are related. For some group to have far advanced tech it begs the question how nobody else could happen upon similar advances.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine



they do - come up with similar advances - which are promptly suppressed

suppression can take several forms

shut up

work for us

or have an accident
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Again, Prove it. I'll bet you can't.
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hmm Well...Uhhhhm...uhhhh...PHFUUUUCK!!! scream
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Lol
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

spock
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Maybe it just recently appeared?
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What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists.
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Prove it. I'll bet you can't.

The problem with the government (or any other organization) supposedly having tech that far advanced is that technology does not develop in isolation. Advances in one field most often lead to advances in others. The sciences are related. For some group to have far advanced tech it begs the question how nobody else could happen upon similar advances.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine



they do - come up with similar advances - which are promptly suppressed

suppression can take several forms

shut up

work for us

or have an accident
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Again, Prove it. I'll bet you can't.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


LOL!!!!!!

That is about the silliest request I can think of!

Just what kind of proof could someone possibly give you on the internet?!

LOL! LOL! and triple LOL!
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Prove it. I'll bet you can't.

The problem with the government (or any other organization) supposedly having tech that far advanced is that technology does not develop in isolation. Advances in one field most often lead to advances in others. The sciences are related. For some group to have far advanced tech it begs the question how nobody else could happen upon similar advances.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine



they do - come up with similar advances - which are promptly suppressed

suppression can take several forms

shut up

work for us

or have an accident
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Again, Prove it. I'll bet you can't.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


LOL!!!!!!

That is about the silliest request I can think of!

Just what kind of proof could someone possibly give you on the internet?!

LOL! LOL! and triple LOL!
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


So in other words you have no proof that the government is supposedly 50-500 years ahead (I love how you can't even pick a time frame)

Without even the slightest bit of proof your suggestion is akin to saying "magic"! You might as well say they have extra dimensional hyper-intelligent unicorns helping them. There's just as much evidence for that.

Last Edited by LHP598 on 03/01/2013 07:56 PM
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Moon Hoax Apollo 11 Song : "It is All Walt Disney Bullshit"



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they do - come up with similar advances - which are promptly suppressed

suppression can take several forms

shut up

work for us

or have an accident
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Again, Prove it. I'll bet you can't.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


LOL!!!!!!

That is about the silliest request I can think of!

Just what kind of proof could someone possibly give you on the internet?!

LOL! LOL! and triple LOL!
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


So in other words you have no proof that the government is supposedly 50-500 years ahead (I love how you can't even pick a time frame)

Without even the slightest bit of proof your suggestion is akin to saying "magic"! You might as well say they have extra dimensional hyper-intelligent unicorns helping them. There's just as much evidence for that.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Different year range for different techs

this is the internet - there is NO way to prove anything as anything and everything can be faked in cyberspace

believe what you want
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Again, Prove it. I'll bet you can't.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


LOL!!!!!!

That is about the silliest request I can think of!

Just what kind of proof could someone possibly give you on the internet?!

LOL! LOL! and triple LOL!
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


So in other words you have no proof that the government is supposedly 50-500 years ahead (I love how you can't even pick a time frame)

Without even the slightest bit of proof your suggestion is akin to saying "magic"! You might as well say they have extra dimensional hyper-intelligent unicorns helping them. There's just as much evidence for that.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


Different year range for different techs

this is the internet - there is NO way to prove anything as anything and everything can be faked in cyberspace

believe what you want
 Quoting: Rev StarGazer


Heres a thought, the military had invented the internet in 1969, Fact. Google it. The common people had no idea what the internet was until it was made available to them many decades later. There were even fictional books written about a universal encyclopedia such as the internet. Similar technologies could be out there that are too large scale for smaller groups of scientists to create such as the internet.

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