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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

 
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
My favorite is the incredible, fold-up lunar rover of Apollo 15, 16, and 17. LOL!

Next, they'll expect us to believe they golfed on the moon! ;)
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What do you find incredible about it? Can you be precise? Or are you just throwing shit at the wall in hopes that some will stick?
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Don't ask too many questions, or NASA will make plans to publish a book "proving once and for all" that we went to the moon...(and then cancel those plans several months later).
 Quoting: John Cocktosen


Please link!!!!!!

The absence of further Moon Study and lack of Moon Rovers speaks volumes!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35155953


Absence of study?

Not a year goes by without new papers being published on lunar geology, history, chemistry, etc., etc.

And as for studies;

The Soviets continued to send multiple probes including several rovers. (Didn't know about the rovers, did you?)

Follow-up satellite missions, which studied the mass distribution, magnetic environment, chemical make-up, geology, and of course detailed mapping/photographic studies, included Clementine, Hayabusa, SMART....

There have been more probes (and more successful ones) as well as more robotic landings, on the Moon than there have been on Mars.
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My favorite is the incredible, fold-up lunar rover of Apollo 15, 16, and 17. LOL!
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How "incredible" you find certain demonstrated technologies is utterly irrelevant.

Next, they'll expect us to believe they golfed on the moon! ;)
 Quoting: John Cocktosen

It's somehow impossible to hit a ball?

Anyhoo, what you believe is immaterial.
The only thing that matters is what you can proof.

In 40+ years hoaxies have only ever proven their ignorance.
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The absence of further Moon Study and lack of Moon Rovers speaks volumes!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35155953

The study of the Moon never stopped.
And re moon rovers, the Lunakhods weren't much of a success.
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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Who is this "we" you speak off?

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

There's a lot more that we don't know then we do know.

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Since none of the Apollo missions travelled through that region of space that is a non-question.

Space is 3D, the Belts are belts.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Mmm, so you think the belts are 2 dimensional hey?

[link to images.yourdictionary.com]

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


Clearly the belts are 3D but that doesn't mean they thick and can't be easily gone around.
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Wilbur Wright once noted that the only bird that cold talk was the parrot, and he didn't fly very well. So I'll be brief.
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It goes even further than being a parrot, thanks to the second part of the analogy : "he didnt fly very well." and to his conclusion : "So I'll be brief".

>Implying he can't talk (as he can fly very well).
>Implying if he talks, it's like a parrot.
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No you totally got thar wrong. It means Neil Armstrong did not consider himself a good public speaker.
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
Did Americans land on the moon 1969 when the whole world was watching!? No!
why!?

Because, whole world was watching and there's numerous things that have could go wrong!
Even the "smallest" glitch could cause fiasco...and you got whole world watching it...and you got "bad,mean Russians" just waiting for Americans to "slip"
So, they recorded that in studio...
Think about it!!!
Maybe they went to moon numerous time before that and after that...I don't know...
but I'm pretty sure people didn't see real landing on the moon that 1969.
Think about it...it's just that simple!


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THIS makes sense!
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To idiots
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The problem with the government (or any other organization) supposedly having tech that far advanced is that technology does not develop in isolation. Advances in one field most often lead to advances in others. The sciences are related. For some group to have far advanced tech it begs the question how nobody else could happen upon similar advances.
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1/ There is just one group : the euro-american empire. World gov is a reality.
2/ It is not development and advancements so much as it is tech given to the shadow gov by the Aliums.
3/ Managing the different circles, from the public circle to the most totally far out there circle, takes mucho money and resources indeed, hence the current financial/criminal madness.
4/ Building up rationalizations as to why something isnt possible or likely, without having tested the hypothesis by its own rules (and inside the paradigm it belongs to) isn't sound reasoning. It's just an expression of bias, a mental immune system reacting to change induced by strange ideas.
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Again with the appeal to magic. There is no proof of the above. There is proof that the Apollo hardware was capable of making it to the Moon and back. No magic or aliens needed.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine




Any significantly advanced technology will appeart as magic to idiots.
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So we launch nuclear weapons into this general area and discovered they cause long lasting radiation?

Wow, thats pretty smart.

Som1 shuld tell the humans.givedamn
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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Who is this "we" you speak off?

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

There's a lot more that we don't know then we do know.

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Since none of the Apollo missions travelled through that region of space that is a non-question.

Space is 3D, the Belts are belts.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Mmm, so you think the belts are 2 dimensional hey?

[link to images.yourdictionary.com]

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


Clearly the belts are 3D but that doesn't mean they thick and can't be easily gone around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4126404


Oh my, you have a lot of studying to do!

spock
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Clearly the belts are 3D but that doesn't mean they thick and can't be easily gone around.
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Oh my, you have a lot of studying to do!

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!

That's rather funny coming from someone as incredibly dense as you.

You're to dumb to process the information in your own thread.
See Weasel Turbine's post on Page 2.

Nothing about the dimensions and location of the VARBs is secret.
There are hundreds of entities that operate hardware in the Belts.
Nothing about the path of the Apollo flights is secret.
Everybody with a telescope could see it.

And, unless you know the actual radiation levels and the durations of exposure, all that is meaningless anyway.

If YOUR claim is that flying to the Moon is impossible, it is YOU who will have to proof it.
Just shrieking RADIATION!!!!11!!OMG!!!11! like some hysterical ignorant radiophobe won't cut it.
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Clearly the belts are 3D but that doesn't mean they thick and can't be easily gone around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4126404

Oh my, you have a lot of studying to do!

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!

That's rather funny coming from someone as incredibly dense as you.

You're to dumb to process the information in your own thread.
See Weasel Turbine's post on Page 2.

Nothing about the dimensions and location of the VARBs is secret.
There are hundreds of entities that operate hardware in the Belts.
Nothing about the path of the Apollo flights is secret.
Everybody with a telescope could see it.

And, unless you know the actual radiation levels and the durations of exposure, all that is meaningless anyway.

If YOUR claim is that flying to the Moon is impossible, it is YOU who will have to proof it.
Just shrieking RADIATION!!!!11!!OMG!!!11! like some hysterical ignorant radiophobe won't cut it.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


I didn't say that we didn't go to the moon!

I asked why didn't we know about this radiation belt at the time?

After all, we must have passed through it? Or maybe, if we believe you we went round it?!

spock
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I didn't say that we didn't go to the moon!
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Than what's your point?

I asked why didn't we know about this radiation belt at the time?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

A ring. Inside the Outer Belt.
Did you not read your own OP link?
Nobody has looked at the radiation environment of that part of space at such detail before.

After all, we must have passed through it?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Why?

And who is "we"?

Or maybe, if we believe you we went round it?!
 Quoting: Just the facts!

By Jove! He's got it!
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...

Who is this "we" you speak off?

...

There's a lot more that we don't know then we do know.

...

Since none of the Apollo missions travelled through that region of space that is a non-question.

Space is 3D, the Belts are belts.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Mmm, so you think the belts are 2 dimensional hey?

[link to images.yourdictionary.com]

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


Clearly the belts are 3D but that doesn't mean they thick and can't be easily gone around.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4126404


Oh my, you have a lot of studying to do!

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


No. You do. I understand the shape of the belts. You, on the other hand have a severe conceptual disability.
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all i can say is i've seen better cgi

the movie making technology from moon landing wasn't the greatest... no offense to stanley kubrick...

wouldn't fool a four year old these days.

the mountains are clearly fake, the lunar module blasting off looks hilarious to me...(btw, who took the foto of it blasting off, can i ask? the astronaut who stayed behind on the moon to film it, then flew home like superman??)

the neverending story movie had better cgi...


no, i don't know how ppl swallow it either, especially supposedly smart scientists, but they do...

maybe it takes an art-person like me to see that it's clearly crap
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It is possible they sent a real mission only to find the crew dead, drifting endlessly in space once they hit that radiation belt.

First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
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The Saturn V Rocket burned 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, reaching only 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining 4% of fuel, choices were quite limited.
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It is possible they sent a real mission only to find the crew dead, drifting endlessly in space once they hit that radiation belt.

First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


So give some numbers then. How much radiation EXACTLY would they have received with the trajectory they took around the majority of the belts?
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The Saturn V Rocket burned 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, reaching only 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining 4% of fuel, choices were quite limited.
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That was only the first two stages. It was a three stage rocket. The third stage sent the astronauts toward the Moon.
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The Saturn V Rocket burned 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, reaching only 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining 4% of fuel, choices were quite limited.
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you almost had a point until you revealed you don't understand orbital mechanics or multi-stage rockets. The Saturn V had the necessary delta-v to get to the moon. The math works. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work.
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First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

So WHAT WAS THE LEVEL of radiation?

Why are hoaxies always so afraid of actual numbers?
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It is possible they sent a real mission only to find the crew dead, drifting endlessly in space once they hit that radiation belt.

First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--


So give some numbers then. How much radiation EXACTLY would they have received with the trajectory they took around the majority of the belts?
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


The mission with the largest dosage was Apollo 14 with a dosage of 1.14 rads.

[link to lsda.jsc.nasa.gov]

Since 25 rad is the lowest dose to cause clinically observable blood changes it is safe to say the astronauts were not affected by their trip.
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

spock
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Have you heard of Earths' 'Anti-Matter' Rings of 'Anti-Protons' [link to www.newscientist.com] ?



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The Saturn V Rocket burned 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, reaching only 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining 4% of fuel, choices were quite limited.
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you almost had a point until you revealed you don't understand orbital mechanics or multi-stage rockets. The Saturn V had the necessary delta-v to get to the moon. The math works. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work.
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It's about resistance, and at 118 miles altitude there's plenty.

Today's higher tech rockets can now do the 200 miles to reach the ISS
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By the way,the belt only lasted around a Month and was attributed to a Solar Prominence/Filament Ejection.

But I'd still contend there are issues with aspects of the Apollo Mission...ie. The Camera Film Protective Containers were made of Aluminum only and did not contain any Water etc. to help shield from Gamma Radiation.

Aluminum would only block Alpha/Beta Radiation so the Film should have been shot.

It wasn't,apparently.

Have I misinformed myself about the Films Protection?

Could be wrong.

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The Saturn V Rocket burned 96% of its fuel in 10 minutes, reaching only 118 miles altitude.

With the remaining 4% of fuel, choices were quite limited.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24508494


you almost had a point until you revealed you don't understand orbital mechanics or multi-stage rockets. The Saturn V had the necessary delta-v to get to the moon. The math works. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't work.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine


It's about resistance, and at 118 miles altitude there's plenty.

Today's higher tech rockets can now do the 200 miles to reach the ISS
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And? Still You show no understanding of orbital mechanics or multi-stage rockets.
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By the way,the belt only lasted around a Month and was attributed to a Solar Prominence/Filament Ejection.

But I'd still contend there are issues with aspects of the Apollo Mission...ie. The Camera Film Protective Containers were made of Aluminum only and did not contain any Water etc. to help shield from Gamma Radiation.

Aluminum would only block Alpha/Beta Radiation so the Film should have been shot.

It wasn't,apparently.

Have I misinformed myself about the Films Protection?

Could be wrong.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


How much gamma is there? Do you realize that gamma is NOT blocked by the Van Allen belts? So any they might have encountered on the Moon (very low) is about the same as in low Earth orbit where they have taken pics with film since before man was in space.
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how in the hell people fall for this moon landing crap is beyond me.
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What's worse, America's collective belief that we went to the moon or America's collective belief that terrorists were responsible for 911?
 Quoting: Beanflicker


Which is worse is of no importance.

They are both cuntardingly ridiculous beliefs.
 Quoting: Rose 35347184


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By the way,the belt only lasted around a Month and was attributed to a Solar Prominence/Filament Ejection.

But I'd still contend there are issues with aspects of the Apollo Mission...ie. The Camera Film Protective Containers were made of Aluminum only and did not contain any Water etc. to help shield from Gamma Radiation.

Aluminum would only block Alpha/Beta Radiation so the Film should have been shot.

It wasn't,apparently.

Have I misinformed myself about the Films Protection?

Could be wrong.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


How much gamma is there? Do you realize that gamma is NOT blocked by the Van Allen belts? So any they might have encountered on the Moon (very low) is about the same as in low Earth orbit where they have taken pics with film since before man was in space.
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Gamma damages Film on Earth.

We've all seen it.

There is plenty of potential Gamma sources and a lot of time taken,all things considered...Where is the damage?

Do you know about the STS Film Protection experiments?

Here [link to ston.jsc.nasa.gov] .

Why not use the Hasselblads awesome design!?

Not once can I remember reading the Hasselblad mentioned?

I find that strange.

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Not sure why you shouted NOT at me?

I'm not totally fucking tarded.
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