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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

 
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

spock
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I think you may need to ask Al Gore what we don't know that we don't know.
 Quoting: stustev


or donald rumsfeld about the unknown unknowns
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I see literally Thousands of Radiation Damage artifacts on Film recorded and stored on Earth yet close to 0 on the Moon Film.

You don't see my problem here?

Olive Branch : )
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Oh, I see your problem.

An unwillingness to do hard numbers.
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183


Me,a Mathematician,no.

Understands Radiation damages Film,yes.

Understands Space within the Solar System is loaded with Ionizing Radiation.

Understands the Moon is a Large Secondary Gamma Source on Earth,second(as a constant)to the Sun.

[link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

'Today, these gamma-ray bursts, which happen at least once a day, are seen to last for fractions of a second to minutes, popping off like cosmic flashbulbs from unexpected directions, flickering, and then fading after briefly dominating the gamma-ray sky' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

' The Crab nebula, shown also in the visible light image, was created by a supernova that brightened the night sky in 1054 A.D. In 1967, astronomers detected the remnant core of that star; a rapidly rotating, magnetic pulsar flashing every 0.33 second in radio waves.

Perhaps the most spectacular discovery in gamma-ray astronomy came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Detectors on board the Vela satellite series, originally military satellites, began to record bursts of gamma-rays -- not from Earth, but from deep space'

'If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar.

The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible. In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] .

Ffs.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Without NUMBERS and a flux rate the above is meaningless.

Best reply to the above
Thread: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this?? (Page 6)
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As posted on another thread...

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?

spock
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Dawes' limit. Look it up.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Still, doesn't alter the Chinese question!

spock
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the best resolution of the Chang'e 1 probe was about 120 meters per pixel.
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The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.


That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?


The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics.

It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics.
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Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?

Thought we had spy satellites that can image a stamp from space, and this is the best they can produce in a 250 sqm section?

[link to www.nasa.gov]

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Do we really? I'm sure the CIA/NRO would like you to think that but you run into the Dawes' limit again. We know the max size of stuff put up there based on the rockets/shuttle used to get it there.
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I been lurking for years. You guys have not changed a note.
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The facts don't change.

40 pluss years and no pics no new info no reliable old info nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35532100

Don't lie.

and you ignore words from the mouth of the only guy who could say only a little.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35532100

Cherry-picking and confirmation bias.

think people, think for yourself.......why no moon rovers?

because of the lie.
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Non-sequitur.
book

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

So you prefer to ignore the Mount Everest of extant evidence?
Or are you unaware of it?

Men on the Moon is proven beyond reasonable doubt, you being ignorant of that fact won't change it.

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Why not stick to the facts.

Hearsay is not evidence.
Fabrications are not evidence.
Brain-farts are not evidence.
Lies are not evidence.
Fantasies are not evidence.

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Not big enough.
book

You know and I know that Radiation is damaging to Film,I do not need to even really need to quantify that fact.

The issue is 'How Much' and 'What Kind'.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium

So HOW MUCH and WHAT KIND?

You're just dancing around the issue.
Radiation is not an on-off thing, there is always radiation.
book

The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.
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That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?
 Quoting: Ozzie Coward 16425547

You live in Australia and you don't know why it's summer Down-Under while the rest of us are freezing our heinies off?

Don't they have elementary schools in Australia?
book

Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
 Quoting: Japanese Coward 35518192

Fallacious reasoning.

What about the hoax promoters presence? Why are they here?
Are they shills promoting the Republican Party's anti-science agenda?
Do they want to dumb down people to the level of ignorance that would make teaching creatardism in public schools acceptable?
Or is it even more nefarious?
Are they quislings working for wannabe alien invaders who want to undermine the self-confidence of the human race by spreading the idea that we can't achieve great things if we truly apply our selfs?

Why do you hate mankind?
book

But they seem to pop up ANYTIME something is raised. The Dutchman especially seems more concerned with dismissing others than trying to offer sincere rebuttals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17773174

People who want to get educated get educated. (And they don't go to GLP for that.)
Hoaxies aren't interested in learning the truth.
Only in spreading ignorance and lies.

And hoax claims do not require rebuttals.
They require to be supported by EVIDENCE.
In 40+ years hoaxies haven't managed to proof a single relevant claim.

Hoaxies not realising they are jokes is the biggest joke of all.
Thanks for the larfs.
book

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Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, they are.

They're also consistent with the known specifications of the LRO optics. Thanks.
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IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
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[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, they are.

They're also consistent with the known specifications of the LRO optics. Thanks.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?

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What i find stupid about space exploration is that we barrely know our oceans and want to go in space...

did you knew that by blending crude oil with water you can make Water buble big enough to be substain underwater and reproduce the effect of Very deep Air under the ocean.


Deep air in the abyss of the oceans can not come back up!

just send a lot of air there making a big bubble with a a metal casing in forms of spirals like oven spirals on the outside to maintain the size of the air buble with valves that go to the surface of waters to recycle the quality of air.

living in the bottom of the abysses would give us a very similar experiance of space travel, whitout costing bazilions of dollars.

Let the elites go to mars if they so wish to go!

We will go underwater.

If your wondering how we can bring air down there... the same way you blow bubbles with a stray on your milkshake!

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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.

These nasa defenders have to be the most retarded people on the planet, they come to a conspiracy site, which they have no real interest in and spend years defending the apollo missions.

And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
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What i find stupid about space exploration is that we barrely know our oceans and want to go in space...

did you knew that by blending crude oil with water you can make Water buble big enough to be substain underwater and reproduce the effect of Very deep Air under the ocean.


Deep air in the abyss of the oceans can not come back up!

just send a lot of air there making a big bubble with a a metal casing in forms of spirals like oven spirals on the outside to maintain the size of the air buble with valves that go to the surface of waters to recycle the quality of air.

living in the bottom of the abysses would give us a very similar experiance of space travel, whitout costing bazilions of dollars.

Let the elites go to mars if they so wish to go!

We will go underwater.

If your wondering how we can bring air down there... the same way you blow bubbles with a stray on your milkshake!
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker



there are lots of underwater et bases. look thru google earth and discern the domes and miles of tunnel lines and you will sense that beings are using them. the military industrial agencies tries sonar weapons on them and in the process damage whales and some mermaids
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Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
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+1000

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There is no belt in the moon studio, that's how...alien03
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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.

These nasa defenders have to be the most retarded people on the planet, they come to a conspiracy site, which they have no real interest in and spend years defending the apollo missions.

And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35518192



the moon landing has a backup ready made footage and pictures. the grainy footage were videos with props and film showing behind. then it was projected further and filmed again and deliberately lowered in resolution.

they eventually went to the moon when they agreed to conditions of the greys but whatever they found were not revealed and the greys helped them because of the limits of their capabilities
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I said...
Did Americans land on the moon 1969 when the whole world was watching!? No!
why!?
Because, whole world was watching and there's numerous things that have could go wrong...numerous!
Even the "smallest" glitch could cause fiasco...and you got whole world watching it...and you got "bad,mean Russians" just waiting for Americans to "slip"
So, they recorded that in studio...
Think about it!!!
Maybe they went to moon numerous time before that and after that...I don't know...
but I'm pretty sure people didn't see real landing on the moon that 1969.
Think about it...it's just that simple!
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Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
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bump it
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Avatars aside why are they here, why are they on abovetopshite and other sites which they have no intrest in..

They spend year upon year defending nasa and all for free or so they say.

Why Is the BIG question my friend.
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the supposedly transmitted videos are understandably low resolution. but high reso and panoramic recording that they could have brought back were not provided the public. was there any high reso video?
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the nazi's were earlier to be guests on the moon because they have earlier arrangement with greys
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The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?
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Yes, they are.

They're also consistent with the known specifications of the LRO optics. Thanks.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?

spock
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What does that even have to do with anything I said? They know the coordinates of the landing site, and by the time the laser beam reaches the moon it's spread out enough that they are able to hit the retroreflector.
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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.
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That's not logical or rational. That is your choice though.
And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
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Here we go with the shill bullshit again. I don't care if anyone believes anything I say, I enjoy speaking the truth regardless. That said, you do not speak for everyone here, so kindly shove off. Your personal opinion is irrelevant to my decision to be here.
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...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??
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Simple. It's not enough to be dangerous given Apollo's trajectory. It also does not suggest that the belts are more dangerous than we previously though; it was a temporary feature during a time when the outer belt was itself diminished.
"The shock wave scoured away much of the outer ring and then divided the remains into two distinct sections"
[link to www.scientificamerican.com]
That in no way implies a greater amount of total flux in the belts. In reality, there was a lower total flux during the period of time in which the new middle belt existed.

Here's the actual data from the probes. Part a. shows the normal, classic distribution of the van allen belts (what NASA would have expected in 1969):
[link to img831.imageshack.us]
Part b. shows a period of time where the outer belt had been depleted by the first shock wave, but at this point the distribution itself is still "classic" with a single inner belt and outer belt. Part c. shows the new distribution of the remaining electrons, which is now more diffuse and lower in flux than the classic distribution, but has a new gap within what used to be a single outer belt, thus there are now three belts instead of two. Part e. shows the annihilation of the outer belt region due to another shock wave. About a week later the distribution returned to the normal classic configuration seen in part a. due to another shock wave.

So no, not a problem for Apollo. If anything had this been the configuration of the belts during their departure for the moon or their return to earth, it would mean that they would have received even less of a dose than would otherwise be expected, and the normally expected dose given their trajectory and the areal density of their spacecraft (7~8 g/cm^2) was anything but dangerous:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
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I notice this got completely ignored.
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They don't make space suits like they used to...
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Yeah apparently we need some more of that space age late 60's technology!

What happened to us - did we just forget how to do stuff - I mean it's obvious that the computers we have now are shit compared to late 60's tech what with how they were able to program, pilot, land, blast off, re-couple and return to earth using total computing power of less than that of the average smartphone.

Hell, they even beamed back live coverage of the landing and take-off from the surface of the moon (I kinda feel sorry for the camera man who was left behind and is unknown and unsung in the history of our illustrious space program) while today we STILL get dropped cellphone calls and there is a patchwork of no cell coverage areas across the U.S.

Ditto with the micro meteorite defying anti radiation playtex space suits that could go from 253 F (123 C) in full sunlight to -243 F (153 C) in the shade without so much as any loss of surface plaibility or suit integrity let alone any noticeable discomfort to person wearing the suit.

Man these are the new dark ages.

(My thanks to Dave McGowan for his Wag the Moon Doggie Series! Look it up if you haven;t read it!!)
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You just described a couple of the hundreds of reasons why the moon landing was faked. Our entire history is faked.
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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.
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That's not logical or rational. That is your choice though.
And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
 Quoting: AC


Here we go with the shill bullshit again. I don't care if anyone believes anything I say, I enjoy speaking the truth regardless. That said, you do not speak for everyone here, so kindly shove off. Your personal opinion is irrelevant to my decision to be here.
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I never said you was a shill i just asked why you was here on a site that you have no intrest in, you clearly don't believe in conspiracys so why are you here ??

So YOU SHOVE OFF you are not wanted here.
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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35518192

That's not logical or rational. That is your choice though.
And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
 Quoting: AC


Here we go with the shill bullshit again. I don't care if anyone believes anything I say, I enjoy speaking the truth regardless. That said, you do not speak for everyone here, so kindly shove off. Your personal opinion is irrelevant to my decision to be here.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


I never said you was a shill i just asked why you was here on a site that you have no intrest in, you clearly don't believe in conspiracys so why are you here ??

So YOU SHOVE OFF you are not wanted here
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you couldnt be more wrong.
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

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How do you manage to use a computer?
Sometimes you just get by, on dumb luck.
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
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So WHAT WAS THE LEVEL of radiation?

Why are hoaxies always so afraid of actual numbers?
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My fault, it was the electronics they used that would have died (not worked).

Total brain fart, lol.

It was a long time ago I did the research. WAY before the internet and GLP.

The circuits they used with the protection they offered was not enough to protect the circuits.

At the time, the radiation belts were unknown.



I'm not convinced either way. It is possible the radiation belts at the time were much weaker. OR they are a part of an oscillating, natural cycle and at the time is was weak enough to allow the Apollo missions to succeed.

Maybe this is why we don't go back until recently.
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The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, they are.

They're also consistent with the known specifications of the LRO optics. Thanks.
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Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?

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What does that even have to do with anything I said? They know the coordinates of the landing site, and by the time the laser beam reaches the moon it's spread out enough that they are able to hit the retroreflector.
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Sorry let's just get this quite clear!

What you're saying is, NASA or whoever it is, just shoots a laser beam in the general direction of the reflector in the vain hope that some, now very diffused light might just hit it and bounce back in an even more diffused form to be collected and used for accurate measurements?

Not very scientific is it?

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Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?

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They know its coordinates.


Actually, there is a little more detail here. The Apollo Program dropped off three retro-reflector arrays, in two different sizes. The Soviets put an even smaller array (of somewhat different mechanical design) on the Lunkhod rovers.

The first pick-up of one of the targets was made by Lick, on the Apollo 11 LRRR. They knew they were aimed correctly because even though the beam is about 5 km in diameter when it hits the Moon, the return spike from the LRRR is very strong and sharply defined -- quite easy to discriminate from other stray light.

Various observatories over the years have "tuned in" on the LRRR, seeing when that spike appears. One of them managed to pick up the array on a Lunkhod that had lost contact, wandered off course, and was considered lost.

I may be getting a few details wrong. Start with the Apache Point Observatory's web site, which has several nice articles, and read on from there.

One of my favorite stories about the LRRR programs is one observatory that had nailed down all sorts of minor shifts -- even the change in surface height from the warming of the ground during the day! -- but had an error of several feet they couldn't resolve. Until they realized the survey point they were taking their figures from wasn't actually at the telescope, but had been placed out in the observatory's parking lot!
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the supposedly transmitted videos are understandably low resolution. but high reso and panoramic recording that they could have brought back were not provided the public. was there any high reso video?
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In which universe do you live?

I have seen, and even have prints, of images that were made from negatives roughly the size of a frame of IMAX film.

And you can download scans of them easily.

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