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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

 
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As posted on another thread...

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?

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The Apollo landing sites have been imaged from lunar orbit several times. Most notably from LRO and the Indian lunar orbiter.
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As posted on another thread...

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?

spock
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The Apollo landing sites have been imaged from lunar orbit several times. Most notably from LRO and the Indian lunar orbiter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4126404


Have they released the images? Do you have any?

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As posted on another thread...

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


Dawes' limit. Look it up.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Still, doesn't alter the Chinese question!

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

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Dawes' limit. Look it up.
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Still, doesn't alter the Chinese question!

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
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[link to lmgtfy.com]
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The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.


That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?
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Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
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Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35518192


You know, I kind of agree with this.

If they believe they're real and want to share the info as to why to educate others, that's fine.

But they seem to pop up ANYTIME something is raised. The Dutchman especially seems more concerned with dismissing others than trying to offer sincere rebuttals.
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Still, doesn't alter the Chinese question!

spock
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Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
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[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?

Thought we had spy satellites that can image a stamp from space, and this is the best they can produce in a 250 sqm section?

[link to www.nasa.gov]

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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

spock
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I think you may need to ask Al Gore what we don't know that we don't know.
 Quoting: stustev


or donald rumsfeld about the unknown unknowns
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I see literally Thousands of Radiation Damage artifacts on Film recorded and stored on Earth yet close to 0 on the Moon Film.

You don't see my problem here?

Olive Branch : )
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Oh, I see your problem.

An unwillingness to do hard numbers.
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183


Me,a Mathematician,no.

Understands Radiation damages Film,yes.

Understands Space within the Solar System is loaded with Ionizing Radiation.

Understands the Moon is a Large Secondary Gamma Source on Earth,second(as a constant)to the Sun.

[link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

'Today, these gamma-ray bursts, which happen at least once a day, are seen to last for fractions of a second to minutes, popping off like cosmic flashbulbs from unexpected directions, flickering, and then fading after briefly dominating the gamma-ray sky' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

' The Crab nebula, shown also in the visible light image, was created by a supernova that brightened the night sky in 1054 A.D. In 1967, astronomers detected the remnant core of that star; a rapidly rotating, magnetic pulsar flashing every 0.33 second in radio waves.

Perhaps the most spectacular discovery in gamma-ray astronomy came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Detectors on board the Vela satellite series, originally military satellites, began to record bursts of gamma-rays -- not from Earth, but from deep space'

'If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar.

The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible. In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] .

Ffs.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Without NUMBERS and a flux rate the above is meaningless.

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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
As posted on another thread...

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


Dawes' limit. Look it up.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Still, doesn't alter the Chinese question!

spock
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the best resolution of the Chang'e 1 probe was about 120 meters per pixel.
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The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.


That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?


The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics.

It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics.
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Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?

Thought we had spy satellites that can image a stamp from space, and this is the best they can produce in a 250 sqm section?

[link to www.nasa.gov]

spock
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Do we really? I'm sure the CIA/NRO would like you to think that but you run into the Dawes' limit again. We know the max size of stuff put up there based on the rockets/shuttle used to get it there.
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I been lurking for years. You guys have not changed a note.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35532100

The facts don't change.

40 pluss years and no pics no new info no reliable old info nothing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35532100

Don't lie.

and you ignore words from the mouth of the only guy who could say only a little.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35532100

Cherry-picking and confirmation bias.

think people, think for yourself.......why no moon rovers?

because of the lie.
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Non-sequitur.
book

Look, In order to confirm all this one way or another why not just ask the Chinese who recently surveyed the whole moon?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

So you prefer to ignore the Mount Everest of extant evidence?
Or are you unaware of it?

Men on the Moon is proven beyond reasonable doubt, you being ignorant of that fact won't change it.

I had heard a rumour that they had contacted NASA to confirm landing co-ordinates of the Apollo missions because they were having problems locating the landing sites?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Why not stick to the facts.

Hearsay is not evidence.
Fabrications are not evidence.
Brain-farts are not evidence.
Lies are not evidence.
Fantasies are not evidence.

Or, why not just turn the Hubble at it?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Not big enough.
book

You know and I know that Radiation is damaging to Film,I do not need to even really need to quantify that fact.

The issue is 'How Much' and 'What Kind'.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium

So HOW MUCH and WHAT KIND?

You're just dancing around the issue.
Radiation is not an on-off thing, there is always radiation.
book

The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.
 Quoting:

That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?
 Quoting: Ozzie Coward 16425547

You live in Australia and you don't know why it's summer Down-Under while the rest of us are freezing our heinies off?

Don't they have elementary schools in Australia?
book

Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
 Quoting: Japanese Coward 35518192

Fallacious reasoning.

What about the hoax promoters presence? Why are they here?
Are they shills promoting the Republican Party's anti-science agenda?
Do they want to dumb down people to the level of ignorance that would make teaching creatardism in public schools acceptable?
Or is it even more nefarious?
Are they quislings working for wannabe alien invaders who want to undermine the self-confidence of the human race by spreading the idea that we can't achieve great things if we truly apply our selfs?

Why do you hate mankind?
book

But they seem to pop up ANYTIME something is raised. The Dutchman especially seems more concerned with dismissing others than trying to offer sincere rebuttals.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17773174

People who want to get educated get educated. (And they don't go to GLP for that.)
Hoaxies aren't interested in learning the truth.
Only in spreading ignorance and lies.

And hoax claims do not require rebuttals.
They require to be supported by EVIDENCE.
In 40+ years hoaxies haven't managed to proof a single relevant claim.

Hoaxies not realising they are jokes is the biggest joke of all.
Thanks for the larfs.
book

Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 03/04/2013 01:25 PM
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A few years ago, NASA made headlines with their announcement that they planned to publish a book proving that they landed men on the moon with Apollo. This made the media rounds, talking heads discussed it; it was well publicized. Then a funny thing happened. A few months later, to NO fanfair and barely any press, NASA quietly canceled its plans to publish said book. As a matter of fact, try to find the announcement of NASA canceling the book on Google.

Someone earlier in the thread speculated that NASA canceled its book plans because "moon hoax people wouldn't believe it anyway". There are 2 things wrong with this speculation. First, in writing a book like this, the objective wouldn't be to convince the "moon hoax" people. It would be to convince the undecidededs. Second, if someone chose not to write a book because their opponents wouldn't agree with it, NOTHING would ever be written.
 Quoting: John Cocktosen

"If I ran the zoo". Just because YOU don't agree with the decision doesn't mean it is a bad decision. They had their reasons and they are held to a budget imposed on them by Congress. They don't really even get to say what they can spend their money on.

Why did you post this? "try to find the announcement of NASA canceling the book on Google."
First search "nasa cancels moon hoax book"
[link to www.google.com]
Was that supposed to be difficult?


Regarding allegedly taking an entire vehicle to the moon with them on Apollo 15, 16, and 17, it's interesting that one of the many criticisms of the Apollo missions is that the protection needed for humans to safely transit the Apollo capsule through the Van Allen radiation belts (during heightened solar storm activity to boot in 1969-70) would require a thick lead lining around the capsule. NASA opted not to utilize this thick, protective layer of lead because it would surpass the weight restrictions for Apollo and it's Saturn V rocket. (Interesting note: NASA concerned about being able to lift off with the proper weight, but not about the Apollo astronauts' lives passing through the Van Allen radiation belts. Is this because Apollo lifted off never went through the Van Allen radiation belts, but merely orbited the earth in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) for 8 days, as we, and every single other nation, have done exclusively since Apollo?). What's interesting, then, about taking an entire vehicle (the lunar rover) on board the Apollo capsule is: Wouldn't that extra weight be better served as lead protection from deadly radiation from the Van Allen radiation belts?
 Quoting: John Cocktosen

Prove they needed the lead shileding. I'll bet you can't and won't even try.


Another dirty little secret is that, although the prowess of Dr. Werner von Braun was much ballyhooed about regarding his acquisition by America via Operation Paperclip, the Soviets procured the best of the German rocket scientists. Remember, the Russians reached Berlin first. And the Russian space program was head and shoulders above America's...until we suddenly leap-frogged past them, landed men on the moon successfully 6 times, and they never put a moon on the moon? Russians, besides procuring brilliant German rocket scientists after WWII, have had a tradition of brilliance in science. Further, when the U.S. developed the first atomic weapons, did the Russians stop trying? No. Through espionage, and the huge pool of capable Russian scientists, the Soviets were able, in just a few years, to also develop nuclear weapons. The Manhattan Project was the most top secret program in American history. Within just a few years, the Soviets achieved nuclear parity with America. Yet, Russia never went to the moon? Hmmmm...doesn't make sense; unless you realize that America had one thing the Russians never possessed: Hollywood. Our ace in the hole. As I've said before, although there are "scientific" reasons to doubt that we landed men on the moon with Apollo, the thrust of the doubt comes from logical considerations. And that, sadly, is what the robotic, borg-like thinking of Halcyon Dayz fails (is incapable?) to comprehend.
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Russia was only ahead until the Gemini program and then primarily because they took excessive risks. Their first launch of 3 men only happened because they squezzed 3 men into a capsule designed for 2 and subsequently they couldn't wear space suits. Russia tried to get to the Moon and had an active program until 1974. They couldn't get their heavy lifting booster (the N-1) to work.
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Yes, it does. Angular and spatial resolution limits still apply to probes as well. LRO is the only probe with an optic big enough to resolve the landing site equipment, even from orbit.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
 Quoting: Just the facts!


[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, they are.

They're also consistent with the known specifications of the LRO optics. Thanks.
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IS there any published images from ANY SATELLITE?

spock
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[link to lmgtfy.com]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


The NASA images aren't very definitive are they?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

Yes, they are.

They're also consistent with the known specifications of the LRO optics. Thanks.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?

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What i find stupid about space exploration is that we barrely know our oceans and want to go in space...

did you knew that by blending crude oil with water you can make Water buble big enough to be substain underwater and reproduce the effect of Very deep Air under the ocean.


Deep air in the abyss of the oceans can not come back up!

just send a lot of air there making a big bubble with a a metal casing in forms of spirals like oven spirals on the outside to maintain the size of the air buble with valves that go to the surface of waters to recycle the quality of air.

living in the bottom of the abysses would give us a very similar experiance of space travel, whitout costing bazilions of dollars.

Let the elites go to mars if they so wish to go!

We will go underwater.

If your wondering how we can bring air down there... the same way you blow bubbles with a stray on your milkshake!

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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.

These nasa defenders have to be the most retarded people on the planet, they come to a conspiracy site, which they have no real interest in and spend years defending the apollo missions.

And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
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What i find stupid about space exploration is that we barrely know our oceans and want to go in space...

did you knew that by blending crude oil with water you can make Water buble big enough to be substain underwater and reproduce the effect of Very deep Air under the ocean.


Deep air in the abyss of the oceans can not come back up!

just send a lot of air there making a big bubble with a a metal casing in forms of spirals like oven spirals on the outside to maintain the size of the air buble with valves that go to the surface of waters to recycle the quality of air.

living in the bottom of the abysses would give us a very similar experiance of space travel, whitout costing bazilions of dollars.

Let the elites go to mars if they so wish to go!

We will go underwater.

If your wondering how we can bring air down there... the same way you blow bubbles with a stray on your milkshake!
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker



there are lots of underwater et bases. look thru google earth and discern the domes and miles of tunnel lines and you will sense that beings are using them. the military industrial agencies tries sonar weapons on them and in the process damage whales and some mermaids
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Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
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+1000

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There is no belt in the moon studio, that's how...alien03
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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.

These nasa defenders have to be the most retarded people on the planet, they come to a conspiracy site, which they have no real interest in and spend years defending the apollo missions.

And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35518192



the moon landing has a backup ready made footage and pictures. the grainy footage were videos with props and film showing behind. then it was projected further and filmed again and deliberately lowered in resolution.

they eventually went to the moon when they agreed to conditions of the greys but whatever they found were not revealed and the greys helped them because of the limits of their capabilities
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Just for the record, I like and very much respect Dr. Astro. I don't know Weasel and Halcyon. But it's cool. We can disagree on things.
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Yeah but you have to ask yourself why are they here ?

Why do they want you to think what they think ..

What does it matter to them what you think ? it means alot by the sound of it ..
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I said...
Did Americans land on the moon 1969 when the whole world was watching!? No!
why!?
Because, whole world was watching and there's numerous things that have could go wrong...numerous!
Even the "smallest" glitch could cause fiasco...and you got whole world watching it...and you got "bad,mean Russians" just waiting for Americans to "slip"
So, they recorded that in studio...
Think about it!!!
Maybe they went to moon numerous time before that and after that...I don't know...
but I'm pretty sure people didn't see real landing on the moon that 1969.
Think about it...it's just that simple!
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
Why do posters like nomuse,astro come to a conspiracy site and defend nasa ? and not only that but spend a hell of a lot of time doing it,years infact ? why do they care if people on a conspiracy site think apollo was fake ? what do they have to gain by spending time here ?

Wouldn't they be better off at jref ?

Thanks to posters like nomuse and other nasa defenders, i'm now convinced more than ever that the moon landings are fake, because their presance here is very strange.
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Avatars aside why are they here, why are they on abovetopshite and other sites which they have no intrest in..

They spend year upon year defending nasa and all for free or so they say.

Why Is the BIG question my friend.
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03/04/2013 10:09 AM
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the supposedly transmitted videos are understandably low resolution. but high reso and panoramic recording that they could have brought back were not provided the public. was there any high reso video?
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A few years ago, NASA made headlines with their announcement that they planned to publish a book proving that they landed men on the moon with Apollo. This made the media rounds, talking heads discussed it; it was well publicized. Then a funny thing happened. A few months later, to NO fanfair and barely any press, NASA quietly canceled its plans to publish said book. As a matter of fact, try to find the announcement of NASA canceling the book on Google.

Someone earlier in the thread speculated that NASA canceled its book plans because "moon hoax people wouldn't believe it anyway". There are 2 things wrong with this speculation. First, in writing a book like this, the objective wouldn't be to convince the "moon hoax" people. It would be to convince the undecideds. Second, if someone chose not to write a book because their opponents wouldn't agree with it, NOTHING would ever be written.

Regarding allegedly taking an entire vehicle to the moon with them on Apollo 15, 16, and 17, it's interesting that one of the many criticisms of the Apollo missions is that the protection needed for humans to safely transit the Apollo capsule through the Van Allen radiation belts (during heightened solar storm activity to boot in 1969-70) would require a thick lead lining around the capsule. NASA opted not to utilize this thick, protective layer of lead because it would surpass the weight restrictions for Apollo and its Saturn V rocket. (Interesting note: NASA concerned about being able to lift off with the proper weight, but not about the Apollo astronauts' lives passing through the Van Allen radiation belts. Is this because Apollo lifted off and never went through the Van Allen radiation belts, but merely orbited the earth in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) for 8 days, as we, and every single other nation, have done exclusively since Apollo?). What's interesting, then, about taking an entire vehicle (the lunar rover) on board the Apollo capsule is: Wouldn't that extra weight be better served as lead protection for the astronauts from deadly radiation from the Van Allen radiation belts?

Another dirty little secret is that, although the prowess of Dr. Werner von Braun was much ballyhooed about regarding his acquisition by America via Operation Paperclip, the Soviets procured the best of the German rocket scientists. Remember, the Russians reached Berlin first. And the Russian space program was head and shoulders above America's...until we suddenly leap-frogged past them, landed men on the moon successfully 6 times, and they never put man on the moon? Russians, besides procuring brilliant German rocket scientists after WWII, have had a tradition of brilliance in science. Further, when the U.S. developed the first atomic weapons, did the Russians stop trying? No. Through espionage, and the huge pool of capable Russian scientists, the Soviets were able, in just a few years, to also develop nuclear weapons. The Manhattan Project was the most top secret program in American history. Within just a few years, the Soviets achieved nuclear parity with America. Yet, Russia never went to the moon? Hmmmm...doesn't make sense; unless you realize that America had one thing the Russians never possessed: Hollywood. Our ace in the hole. As I've said before, although there are "scientific" reasons to doubt that we landed men on the moon with Apollo, the thrust of the doubt comes from logical considerations. And that, sadly, is what the robotic, borg-like thinking of Halcyon Dayz fails (is incapable?) to comprehend.
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clappa

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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
What i find stupid about space exploration is that we barrely know our oceans and want to go in space...

did you knew that by blending crude oil with water you can make Water buble big enough to be substain underwater and reproduce the effect of Very deep Air under the ocean.


Deep air in the abyss of the oceans can not come back up!

just send a lot of air there making a big bubble with a a metal casing in forms of spirals like oven spirals on the outside to maintain the size of the air buble with valves that go to the surface of waters to recycle the quality of air.

living in the bottom of the abysses would give us a very similar experiance of space travel, whitout costing bazilions of dollars.

Let the elites go to mars if they so wish to go!

We will go underwater.

If your wondering how we can bring air down there... the same way you blow bubbles with a stray on your milkshake!
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there are lots of underwater et bases. look thru google earth and discern the domes and miles of tunnel lines and you will sense that beings are using them. the military industrial agencies tries sonar weapons on them and in the process damage whales and some mermaids
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There are rumors of such anamolies in the waters around Iceland.
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lots of artifacts of old civilization can also be found but it will not support the theory that humans/humanoid existed way beyond that can be computed from lineage of old testament