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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

 
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Sorry let's just get this quite clear!

What you're saying is, NASA or whoever it is, just shoots a laser beam in the general direction of the reflector in the vain hope that some, now very diffused light might just hit it and bounce back in an even more diffused form to be collected and used for accurate measurements?

Not very scientific is it?

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Yes, I'm afraid so. Not very scientific. Perhaps you should stop using the Spock image.


First thing you have to think about is the fact that they are using a laser. What makes a laser interesting is not just spacial coherence, but tight control of frequency and temporal coherence.

So first off, you aren't looking for photons to return from the Moon. You are looking for photons at -- say -- 532 nanometers. And you aren't looking for a flash to happen "some time." You know the speed of light, and you know the distance of the Moon (some Greek guys figured it out a few years ago). So you are looking for a change in illumination at the detector that is happening during a precise fraction of a second.

In fact, these observatories are using pulsed lasers with pulse lengths in the nanometer range -- pulse lengths shorter than the wavelength of the photons themselves! And they are sending out multiple pulses, spaced a very carefully timed distance apart.

So rather than looking for a single flash, you are looking for a PATTERN to appear in the data coming off the photodetector. Which is, of course, mounted behind a high-power telescope which is aimed right at the known location of the reflector.

And, yes, the spot on Earth has spread to a good fifty miles in diameter.

Which, however, if you drew to scale, would be damned near a straight line. Because this is over the distance from the Earth to the Moon -- 250 THOUSAND miles. That's a divergence of one part in 50 thousand.

As a first approximation, light coming off any OTHER part of the Moon is following the inverse-square law; 250 thousand miles from the Moon, those photons are spread over an area that is 250 thousand times 250 thousand miles.

So as a first approximation, that little corner-cube array is sending light back towards your observatory some 10 MILLION times more efficiently than the rest of the Moon.



(There's a lot more detail to this and it is fascinating. Take just for a starter that the Moon is not in fact Lambertian, but is overall an anisotropic reflector -- an optical effect most notable at Full Moon. Or there is the function of the corner-cube reflector, an effect seen not just in crosswalks, Nike shoes, and dewdrops, but biologically in the form of the tapetum lucidum -- which to the dismay of many people dropped out of the primate lineage right after our ancestors parted company with the Ay-Ay.)
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Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

By knowing where they are.
The same way ICBMs can hit Moscow without actually seeing it.
book


I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.
 Quoting: Japanese Coward 35518192

This is know as the Shill Gambit and it is only ever used by people who cannot support their claims with facts and evidence.
Because if they could they would.
book

the moon landing has a backup ready made footage and pictures. the grainy footage were videos with props and film showing behind. then it was projected further and filmed again and deliberately lowered in resolution.
 Quoting: Philipino Coward 35138294

Everything that can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Just stating your believe is useless.

the supposedly transmitted videos are understandably low resolution. but high reso and panoramic recording that they could have brought back were not provided the public. was there any high reso video?
 Quoting: Philipino Coward 35138294

They brought back 16mm film from the Data Acquisition Camera.
And of course thousands of high resolution photographs.
Which is of course are all publicly available.

The question here is of course why don't you know that?
Why are hoaxies always people who know absolutely nothing about Apollo, space travel, space engineering, astronomy, physics, history, economics, etcetera ad nauseam?
book

First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

So WHAT WAS THE LEVEL of radiation?

Why are hoaxies always so afraid of actual numbers?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

My fault, it was the electronics they used that would have died (not worked).
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Proof it.

Total brain fart, lol.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Indeed.

The circuits they used with the protection they offered was not enough to protect the circuits.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Proof it.

At the time, the radiation belts were unknown.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

A lie.

And still no numbers...
book

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Sorry let's just get this quite clear!

What you're saying is, NASA or whoever it is, just shoots a laser beam in the general direction of the reflector in the vain hope that some, now very diffused light might just hit it and bounce back in an even more diffused form to be collected and used for accurate measurements?

Not very scientific is it?

 Quoting: Just the facts!


Yes, I'm afraid so. Not very scientific. Perhaps you should stop using the Spock image.


First thing you have to think about is the fact that they are using a laser. What makes a laser interesting is not just spacial coherence, but tight control of frequency and temporal coherence.

So first off, you aren't looking for photons to return from the Moon. You are looking for photons at -- say -- 532 nanometers. And you aren't looking for a flash to happen "some time." You know the speed of light, and you know the distance of the Moon (some Greek guys figured it out a few years ago). So you are looking for a change in illumination at the detector that is happening during a precise fraction of a second.

In fact, these observatories are using pulsed lasers with pulse lengths in the nanometer range -- pulse lengths shorter than the wavelength of the photons themselves! And they are sending out multiple pulses, spaced a very carefully timed distance apart.

So rather than looking for a single flash, you are looking for a PATTERN to appear in the data coming off the photodetector. Which is, of course, mounted behind a high-power telescope which is aimed right at the known location of the reflector.

And, yes, the spot on Earth has spread to a good fifty miles in diameter.

Which, however, if you drew to scale, would be damned near a straight line. Because this is over the distance from the Earth to the Moon -- 250 THOUSAND miles. That's a divergence of one part in 50 thousand.

As a first approximation, light coming off any OTHER part of the Moon is following the inverse-square law; 250 thousand miles from the Moon, those photons are spread over an area that is 250 thousand times 250 thousand miles.

So as a first approximation, that little corner-cube array is sending light back towards your observatory some 10 MILLION times more efficiently than the rest of the Moon.



(There's a lot more detail to this and it is fascinating. Take just for a starter that the Moon is not in fact Lambertian, but is overall an anisotropic reflector -- an optical effect most notable at Full Moon. Or there is the function of the corner-cube reflector, an effect seen not just in crosswalks, Nike shoes, and dewdrops, but biologically in the form of the tapetum lucidum -- which to the dismay of many people dropped out of the primate lineage right after our ancestors parted company with the Ay-Ay.)
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Mmm... All very interesting! So, you do this type of work for a living then?

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The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!

Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.

In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.
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NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

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We didn't go the first time
Thread: My Husband Directed The Fake Moon Landing Says Stanley Kubrick's Widow.
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The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!

Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.

In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.
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The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!

Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.

In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336


Ban physics!

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I see literally Thousands of Radiation Damage artifacts on Film recorded and stored on Earth yet close to 0 on the Moon Film.

You don't see my problem here?

Olive Branch : )
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


Oh, I see your problem.

An unwillingness to do hard numbers.
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183


Me,a Mathematician,no.

Understands Radiation damages Film,yes.

Understands Space within the Solar System is loaded with Ionizing Radiation.

Understands the Moon is a Large Secondary Gamma Source on Earth,second(as a constant)to the Sun.

[link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

'Today, these gamma-ray bursts, which happen at least once a day, are seen to last for fractions of a second to minutes, popping off like cosmic flashbulbs from unexpected directions, flickering, and then fading after briefly dominating the gamma-ray sky' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

' The Crab nebula, shown also in the visible light image, was created by a supernova that brightened the night sky in 1054 A.D. In 1967, astronomers detected the remnant core of that star; a rapidly rotating, magnetic pulsar flashing every 0.33 second in radio waves.

Perhaps the most spectacular discovery in gamma-ray astronomy came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Detectors on board the Vela satellite series, originally military satellites, began to record bursts of gamma-rays -- not from Earth, but from deep space'

'If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar.

The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible. In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] .

Ffs.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


You are taking one image you do not understand and make wild assumputions from it. The Moon is not, directly, the gamma ray source. Read the paper from which the image came.

EGRET Detection of Gamma Rays from the Moon

The Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (EGRET) on the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory has detected gamma rays from the Moon as it passed through the instrument field of view several times between 1991 and 1994. The average flux, (4.7 +/- 0.7) x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, and the energy spectrum of the lunar gamma radiation are consistent with a model of gamma ray production by cosmic ray interactions with the lunar surface, and the flux varies as expected with the solar cycle. Although the same processes may occur on the Sun, EGRET does not detect the quiet Sun. The upper limit, 3.0 x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, does not contradict calculations of the expected solar gamma-ray flux. Thus, in high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is brighter than the quiet Sun.

Cosmic rays interact with the soil and produce gamma rays. Also, the gamma ray flux is rather low.
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What did you not understand about 'Secondary Gamma Source'?
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Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it?
 Quoting: Just the facts!

By knowing where they are.
The same way ICBMs can hit Moscow without actually seeing it.
book


I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.
 Quoting: Japanese Coward 35518192

This is know as the Shill Gambit and it is only ever used by people who cannot support their claims with facts and evidence.
Because if they could they would.
book

the moon landing has a backup ready made footage and pictures. the grainy footage were videos with props and film showing behind. then it was projected further and filmed again and deliberately lowered in resolution.
 Quoting: Philipino Coward 35138294

Everything that can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Just stating your believe is useless.

the supposedly transmitted videos are understandably low resolution. but high reso and panoramic recording that they could have brought back were not provided the public. was there any high reso video?
 Quoting: Philipino Coward 35138294

They brought back 16mm film from the Data Acquisition Camera.
And of course thousands of high resolution photographs.
Which is of course are all publicly available.

The question here is of course why don't you know that?
Why are hoaxies always people who know absolutely nothing about Apollo, space travel, space engineering, astronomy, physics, history, economics, etcetera ad nauseam?
book

First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

So WHAT WAS THE LEVEL of radiation?

Why are hoaxies always so afraid of actual numbers?
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

My fault, it was the electronics they used that would have died (not worked).
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Proof it.

Total brain fart, lol.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Indeed.

The circuits they used with the protection they offered was not enough to protect the circuits.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

Proof it.

At the time, the radiation belts were unknown.
 Quoting: --Voltaic--

A lie.

And still no numbers...
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


they did indeed brought them back but the real hi res movie and incriminating photos were withheld. and the astronauts were subjected to mind program to keep the secrets. did u see hi res movie on moon like the resolution of footage where the stages separated?
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there are footage with better colors and res from recorders attached to telescope by independent enthusiast.

nasa should release the good stuff like reddish orange ground and artifacts found but they will reveal diff than the live public broadcast
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They brought back 16mm film from the Data Acquisition Camera.
And of course thousands of high resolution photographs.
Which is of course are all publicly available.

The question here is of course why don't you know that?
Why are hoaxies always people who know absolutely nothing about Apollo, space travel, space engineering, astronomy, physics, history, economics, etcetera ad nauseam?
book
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they did indeed brought them back but the real hi res movie and incriminating photos were withheld.
 Quoting: Philipine Coward 35138294

Proof it.

and the astronauts were subjected to mind program to keep the secrets.
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Proof it.

did u see hi res movie on moon like the resolution of footage where the stages separated?
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Wut.
Try again in English.

Nobody cares about your confabulations.
What is your EVIDENCE?
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the only spaca missions to cross the Van Allen radiation belts were the moon landings... We did not go and we cannot go back now. Anyone who still buys that load of shit are hopeless sheep
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I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake.

These nasa defenders have to be the most retarded people on the planet, they come to a conspiracy site, which they have no real interest in and spend years defending the apollo missions.

And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ?

Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ??
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Maybe I don't like seeing people spread ignorance? Maybe I'm interested in space? So what? Definitely not my job.

Your analogy stinks. Many people are against racism, or pedophilia, or many other topics. They spend hours protesting against them and can be found on many message boards. Does that mean those things they are protesting against are not bad?
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Avatars aside why are they here, why are they on abovetopshite and other sites which they have no intrest in..

They spend year upon year defending nasa and all for free or so they say.

Why Is the BIG question my friend.
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The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336

Nobody says we need six feet of lead except the hoax believers that have proven they don't understand it.

Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336

No back then they went around the majority of the belts and only through the thinnest outer edges. When they go back they'll likely use a similar trajectory.

In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336

Prove they needed protection from those types of radiation. Specifically, prove that they were at level that needed protection. Since they are NOT blocked by the Van Allen belts, the levels are very similar on the Moon as in low Earth orbit. So prove why they should need more shielding on the Moon.
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HYDRA - come out : )

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Weasel Rotary - Try not to treat questions/thoughts with disdain - It has the opposite effect to what you claim to be trying to convey.

Tiss' all.

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For the fury -

'September 8, 2005: On the Moon, many of the things that can kill you are invisible: breathtaking vacuum, extreme temperatures and space radiation top the list.

Vacuum and temperature NASA can handle; spacesuits and habitats provide plenty of air and insulation. Radiation, though, is trickier.
The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies'

'According to the Vision for Space Exploration, NASA plans to send astronauts back to the Moon by 2020 and, eventually, to set up an outpost. For people to live and work on the Moon safely, the radiation problem must be solved.

"We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the Moon, especially if people will be staying there for more than just a few days," says Harlan Spence, a professor of astronomy at Boston University' [link to science.nasa.gov] .

Highlighted - You would have thought they already knew enough in the case that there were to be a incident during Apollo?

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If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant.

People want to live and work on the Moon.
That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events.
Whole different ball game.

You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative.
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If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant.

People want to live and work on the Moon.
That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events.
Whole different ball game.

You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


I do,why do you say that!?




Regarding Solar Events,exactly.

This is still not my playground though Hal,you want to talk Solar?

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 03/04/2013 09:19 PM
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If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant.

People want to live and work on the Moon.
That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events.
Whole different ball game.

You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative.
book
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Also,background radiation is accumulative - Individual events can deliver enough to be Fatal in a few Seconds/Minutes,dependent on the dose and type of exposure.

I am not arguing this,I am stating it - Not with relation to whether we went to the Moon or not.
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They don't make space suits like they used to...
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They didn't even then.
Remember that time the guy went out for a spacewalk on the shuttle and he got frostbite cause they hadn't invented
the gloves yet to withstand the cold of space.
That was awesome.
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The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!

Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.

In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.
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Well Fucking Said!
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Hey OP, go back to the Blue Kachina. I re-read the Hopi prophecy and the Pale Prophet. We are now in the seven year tribulation. This is of profound significance and life changing.
Start a new thread please.
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Hey OP, go back to the Blue Kachina. I re-read the Hopi prophecy and the Pale Prophet. We are now in the seven year tribulation. This is of profound significance and life changing.
Start a new thread please.
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Which thread?

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The thread with the camera shot over the volcano. See Marshall Master vid. You got it right-it is a real object and it fits the Hopi Prophecy. Thanks for the heads up.
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The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.
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That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?


The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics.

It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics.


Sorry dude, you don't understand simple radiometric properties. The intensity depends on the cosine of the solar angle.

They landed at solar angles of 10 - 15 degrees above the horizon.
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Sorry let's just get this quite clear!

What you're saying is, NASA or whoever it is, just shoots a laser beam in the general direction of the reflector in the vain hope that some, now very diffused light might just hit it and bounce back in an even more diffused form to be collected and used for accurate measurements?

Not very scientific is it?

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The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.
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That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?
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The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics.

It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics.

Sorry dude, you don't understand simple radiometric properties. The intensity depends on the cosine of the solar angle.

They landed at solar angles of 10 - 15 degrees above the horizon.
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I think you screwed up the tags.

Apparently some people managed to sleep trough school all the way from elementary to dropping out.
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There is more that we don't know than we do know.
When Columbus landed in the caribbean, he thought
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The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!

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the only ones saying that are the deniers


Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.


Since the belts and the Moon are inclined to the Earth's equator there was no need to go through the thickest part of the belt.




In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.




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Good vid!

What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists.
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I'm glad we have a non general public person on GLP to inform us about stuff......

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