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| nzreva User ID: 19624091 03/04/2013 03:04 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt! Quoting: Just the facts! So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about? [link to science.nasa.gov] ...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon?? ![]() We didn't go the first time Thread: My Husband Directed The Fake Moon Landing Says Stanley Kubrick's Widow. |
| Just the facts! (OP) User ID: 35428221 03/04/2013 03:06 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies! Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies. In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it. Physics couldn't stop real men back then. Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality. Pussies. The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies! Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies. In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it. Physics couldn't stop real men back then. Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality. Pussies. Ban physics! ![]() "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth" |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 03/04/2013 05:21 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see literally Thousands of Radiation Damage artifacts on Film recorded and stored on Earth yet close to 0 on the Moon Film. Quoting: Spittin'Cesium You don't see my problem here? Olive Branch : ) Oh, I see your problem. An unwillingness to do hard numbers. Me,a Mathematician,no. Understands Radiation damages Film,yes. Understands Space within the Solar System is loaded with Ionizing Radiation. Understands the Moon is a Large Secondary Gamma Source on Earth,second(as a constant)to the Sun. [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] 'Today, these gamma-ray bursts, which happen at least once a day, are seen to last for fractions of a second to minutes, popping off like cosmic flashbulbs from unexpected directions, flickering, and then fading after briefly dominating the gamma-ray sky' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] ' The Crab nebula, shown also in the visible light image, was created by a supernova that brightened the night sky in 1054 A.D. In 1967, astronomers detected the remnant core of that star; a rapidly rotating, magnetic pulsar flashing every 0.33 second in radio waves. Perhaps the most spectacular discovery in gamma-ray astronomy came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Detectors on board the Vela satellite series, originally military satellites, began to record bursts of gamma-rays -- not from Earth, but from deep space' 'If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar. The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible. In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] . Ffs. You are taking one image you do not understand and make wild assumputions from it. The Moon is not, directly, the gamma ray source. Read the paper from which the image came. EGRET Detection of Gamma Rays from the Moon The Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (EGRET) on the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory has detected gamma rays from the Moon as it passed through the instrument field of view several times between 1991 and 1994. The average flux, (4.7 +/- 0.7) x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, and the energy spectrum of the lunar gamma radiation are consistent with a model of gamma ray production by cosmic ray interactions with the lunar surface, and the flux varies as expected with the solar cycle. Although the same processes may occur on the Sun, EGRET does not detect the quiet Sun. The upper limit, 3.0 x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, does not contradict calculations of the expected solar gamma-ray flux. Thus, in high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is brighter than the quiet Sun. Cosmic rays interact with the soil and produce gamma rays. Also, the gamma ray flux is rather low. What did you not understand about 'Secondary Gamma Source'? The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35138294 03/04/2013 05:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mmm... I believe they left a reflector on the moon for range finding? But! If they can't optically see it, how do they bounce a laser off it? Quoting: Just the facts! By knowing where they are. The same way ICBMs can hit Moscow without actually seeing it. I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake. Quoting: Japanese Coward 35518192 This is know as the Shill Gambit and it is only ever used by people who cannot support their claims with facts and evidence. Because if they could they would. the moon landing has a backup ready made footage and pictures. the grainy footage were videos with props and film showing behind. then it was projected further and filmed again and deliberately lowered in resolution. Quoting: Philipino Coward 35138294 Everything that can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. Just stating your believe is useless. the supposedly transmitted videos are understandably low resolution. but high reso and panoramic recording that they could have brought back were not provided the public. was there any high reso video? Quoting: Philipino Coward 35138294 They brought back 16mm film from the Data Acquisition Camera. And of course thousands of high resolution photographs. Which is of course are all publicly available. The question here is of course why don't you know that? Why are hoaxies always people who know absolutely nothing about Apollo, space travel, space engineering, astronomy, physics, history, economics, etcetera ad nauseam? First symptom would have been glitter vision (phosphene). The level of radiation they would have gotten is easily lethal in short time. Quoting: --Voltaic-- So WHAT WAS THE LEVEL of radiation? Why are hoaxies always so afraid of actual numbers? My fault, it was the electronics they used that would have died (not worked). Proof it. Indeed. The circuits they used with the protection they offered was not enough to protect the circuits. Quoting: --Voltaic-- Proof it. A lie. And still no numbers... they did indeed brought them back but the real hi res movie and incriminating photos were withheld. and the astronauts were subjected to mind program to keep the secrets. did u see hi res movie on moon like the resolution of footage where the stages separated? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35138294 03/04/2013 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | there are footage with better colors and res from recorders attached to telescope by independent enthusiast. nasa should release the good stuff like reddish orange ground and artifacts found but they will reveal diff than the live public broadcast |
| Halcyon Dayz, FCD Contrarian's Contrarian User ID: 31033756 03/04/2013 08:09 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They brought back 16mm film from the Data Acquisition Camera. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD And of course thousands of high resolution photographs. Which is of course are all publicly available. The question here is of course why don't you know that? Why are hoaxies always people who know absolutely nothing about Apollo, space travel, space engineering, astronomy, physics, history, economics, etcetera ad nauseam? they did indeed brought them back but the real hi res movie and incriminating photos were withheld. Proof it. and the astronauts were subjected to mind program to keep the secrets. Quoting: Philipine Coward 35138294 Proof it. did u see hi res movie on moon like the resolution of footage where the stages separated? Quoting: Philipine Coward 35138294 Wut. Try again in English. Nobody cares about your confabulations. What is your EVIDENCE? Hatred is a cancer upon the world. It rots the mind and blackens the heart. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
| Weasel_Turbine User ID: 31859349 03/04/2013 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A few years ago, NASA made headlines with their announcement that they planned to publish a book proving that they landed men on the moon with Apollo. This made the media rounds, talking heads discussed it; it was well publicized. Then a funny thing happened. A few months later, to NO fanfair and barely any press, NASA quietly canceled its plans to publish said book. As a matter of fact, try to find the announcement of NASA canceling the book on Google. Quoting: John Cocktosen Someone earlier in the thread speculated that NASA canceled its book plans because "moon hoax people wouldn't believe it anyway". There are 2 things wrong with this speculation. First, in writing a book like this, the objective wouldn't be to convince the "moon hoax" people. It would be to convince the undecidededs. Second, if someone chose not to write a book because their opponents wouldn't agree with it, NOTHING would ever be written. "If I ran the zoo". Just because YOU don't agree with the decision doesn't mean it is a bad decision. They had their reasons and they are held to a budget imposed on them by Congress. They don't really even get to say what they can spend their money on. Why did you post this? "try to find the announcement of NASA canceling the book on Google." First search "nasa cancels moon hoax book" [link to www.google.com] Was that supposed to be difficult? Regarding allegedly taking an entire vehicle to the moon with them on Apollo 15, 16, and 17, it's interesting that one of the many criticisms of the Apollo missions is that the protection needed for humans to safely transit the Apollo capsule through the Van Allen radiation belts (during heightened solar storm activity to boot in 1969-70) would require a thick lead lining around the capsule. NASA opted not to utilize this thick, protective layer of lead because it would surpass the weight restrictions for Apollo and it's Saturn V rocket. (Interesting note: NASA concerned about being able to lift off with the proper weight, but not about the Apollo astronauts' lives passing through the Van Allen radiation belts. Is this because Apollo lifted off never went through the Van Allen radiation belts, but merely orbited the earth in Low Earth Orbit (LEO) for 8 days, as we, and every single other nation, have done exclusively since Apollo?). What's interesting, then, about taking an entire vehicle (the lunar rover) on board the Apollo capsule is: Wouldn't that extra weight be better served as lead protection from deadly radiation from the Van Allen radiation belts? Quoting: John Cocktosen Prove they needed the lead shileding. I'll bet you can't and won't even try. Another dirty little secret is that, although the prowess of Dr. Werner von Braun was much ballyhooed about regarding his acquisition by America via Operation Paperclip, the Soviets procured the best of the German rocket scientists. Remember, the Russians reached Berlin first. And the Russian space program was head and shoulders above America's...until we suddenly leap-frogged past them, landed men on the moon successfully 6 times, and they never put a moon on the moon? Russians, besides procuring brilliant German rocket scientists after WWII, have had a tradition of brilliance in science. Further, when the U.S. developed the first atomic weapons, did the Russians stop trying? No. Through espionage, and the huge pool of capable Russian scientists, the Soviets were able, in just a few years, to also develop nuclear weapons. The Manhattan Project was the most top secret program in American history. Within just a few years, the Soviets achieved nuclear parity with America. Yet, Russia never went to the moon? Hmmmm...doesn't make sense; unless you realize that America had one thing the Russians never possessed: Hollywood. Our ace in the hole. As I've said before, although there are "scientific" reasons to doubt that we landed men on the moon with Apollo, the thrust of the doubt comes from logical considerations. And that, sadly, is what the robotic, borg-like thinking of Halcyon Dayz fails (is incapable?) to comprehend. Quoting: John Cocktosen Russia was only ahead until the Gemini program and then primarily because they took excessive risks. Their first launch of 3 men only happened because they squezzed 3 men into a capsule designed for 2 and subsequently they couldn't wear space suits. Russia tried to get to the Moon and had an active program until 1974. They couldn't get their heavy lifting booster (the N-1) to work. Do you even bother to read your own links? Your "If I ran a zoo" analogy is idiotic -- On one hand, you insinuate that NASA's book cancelation was a monetary decision. On the other hand, you link to an article that says something completely different: "Nasa declined to comment specifically on the reasons for dropping the publication, but it is understood the decision resulted from the bad publicity that followed the announcement of the project. Criticism that Nasa was displaying poor judgement and a lack of confidence in commissioning the book caused it to abort the project, agency spokesman Bob Jacobs said. Also this: Nasa had hired aerospace writer Jim Oberg for the job on a fee of $15,000. He says he will still do the work, although it will now be an unofficial publication with alternative funding. Has anyone seen that book yet? It's been 11 years. Any day now, Jim. Why did you link to a Yahoo message board site about Cydonia and Mars artifacts? Why not link directly to the BBC News story here: www.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2424927.stm I linked a GOOGLE link. You know, a search engine. One you evidently are unaware of how to use. You implied finding info on the cancellation was supposedly difficult. I proved you wrong by quickly finding info with a public search. It was NOT meant to show any particular links. Thanks for showing your ignorance with how search engines work. And you don't know what an "if I ran the Zoo" analogy is do you? I didn't make one. Your entire post was one. You post as if since you can't figure out the motivations or you wouldn't do it that way that it must be fake. Prove they need lead shielding? The point IS: Prove they DIDN'T! That's the point. Quoting: John Cocktosen Trying to shift the burden of proof? Your claim against the mainstream. YOU need to prove it. Thanks for proving me right that you wouldn't even try. You say that Russia was only ahead at first because they took excessive risks. Uh...isn't that how people get ahead? By taking excessive risks? Otherwise, we'd all be in the same spot, no? Again, do you read what you write? Quoting: John Cocktosen No that is not how all people get ahead. Most use hard work. Only the foolish take excessive risks. You also write that Russia had an active program to get to the moon until 1974. And you add that "They couldn't get their heavy lifting booster ( the N-1) to work. Quoting: John Cocktosen Hmmmm...so they just gave up? Interesting timing that the Russians "gave up" barely a year after the Apollo program ended. It's almost as if they were in cahoots. Why do you suppose the Soviets simply gave up? And why just barely a year after Apollo shut down early? That's TWO years. Math not your specialty? The point is they kept trying for 5 years after the US beat them. They still wanted to get there but couldn't get their rocket to work. Last Edited by LHP598 on 03/04/2013 08:14 PM If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
| smokahontas User ID: 23237790 03/04/2013 08:14 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the only spaca missions to cross the Van Allen radiation belts were the moon landings... We did not go and we cannot go back now. Anyone who still buys that load of shit are hopeless sheep "I may not agree with what you say, but I would defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire "Facts do not cease to exist just because they are ignored." Aldous Huxley |
| Weasel_Turbine User ID: 31859349 03/04/2013 08:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I love it, the more these nasa defenders post the more i think it was fake. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35518192 These nasa defenders have to be the most retarded people on the planet, they come to a conspiracy site, which they have no real interest in and spend years defending the apollo missions. And yet no one believes a word they say, so why bother, is it really important to you guys or is IT YOUR JOB ? Ok nasa defenders, why the hell do you care if me or anyone else on this site thinks the moon landings where fake, why is it so important to you what the heck i think, if i come to conclusion it was all a hoax, so be it, what the hell does it matter to you ?? Maybe I don't like seeing people spread ignorance? Maybe I'm interested in space? So what? Definitely not my job. Your analogy stinks. Many people are against racism, or pedophilia, or many other topics. They spend hours protesting against them and can be found on many message boards. Does that mean those things they are protesting against are not bad? If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
| Weasel_Turbine User ID: 31859349 03/04/2013 08:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Avatars aside why are they here, why are they on abovetopshite and other sites which they have no intrest in.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35518192 They spend year upon year defending nasa and all for free or so they say. Why Is the BIG question my friend. How DARE people have a hobby? How DARE they! The Monsters! If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
| Weasel_Turbine User ID: 31859349 03/04/2013 08:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies! Nobody says we need six feet of lead except the hoax believers that have proven they don't understand it. Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 No back then they went around the majority of the belts and only through the thinnest outer edges. When they go back they'll likely use a similar trajectory. In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Prove they needed protection from those types of radiation. Specifically, prove that they were at level that needed protection. Since they are NOT blocked by the Van Allen belts, the levels are very similar on the Moon as in low Earth orbit. So prove why they should need more shielding on the Moon. If you have to insist that you've won an Internet argument, you've probably lost badly. - Danth's Law |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 03/04/2013 08:24 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | HYDRA - come out : ) Weasel Rotary - Try not to treat questions/thoughts with disdain - It has the opposite effect to what you claim to be trying to convey. Tiss' all. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 03/04/2013 08:30 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For the fury - 'September 8, 2005: On the Moon, many of the things that can kill you are invisible: breathtaking vacuum, extreme temperatures and space radiation top the list. Vacuum and temperature NASA can handle; spacesuits and habitats provide plenty of air and insulation. Radiation, though, is trickier. The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies' 'According to the Vision for Space Exploration, NASA plans to send astronauts back to the Moon by 2020 and, eventually, to set up an outpost. For people to live and work on the Moon safely, the radiation problem must be solved. "We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the Moon, especially if people will be staying there for more than just a few days," says Harlan Spence, a professor of astronomy at Boston University' [link to science.nasa.gov] . Highlighted - You would have thought they already knew enough in the case that there were to be a incident during Apollo? Devils' Advocate. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| Halcyon Dayz, FCD Contrarian's Contrarian User ID: 31033756 03/04/2013 09:13 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant. People want to live and work on the Moon. That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events. Whole different ball game. You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative. Hatred is a cancer upon the world. It rots the mind and blackens the heart. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 03/04/2013 09:18 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD People want to live and work on the Moon. That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events. Whole different ball game. You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative. I do,why do you say that!? Regarding Solar Events,exactly. This is still not my playground though Hal,you want to talk Solar? Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 03/04/2013 09:19 PM The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
| Spittin'Cesium User ID: 14589973 03/04/2013 09:25 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant. Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD People want to live and work on the Moon. That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events. Whole different ball game. You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative. Also,background radiation is accumulative - Individual events can deliver enough to be Fatal in a few Seconds/Minutes,dependent on the dose and type of exposure. I am not arguing this,I am stating it - Not with relation to whether we went to the Moon or not. The thing that hath been, is That which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun. Ecclesiastes 9:1 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 17773174 03/05/2013 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies! Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies. In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it. Physics couldn't stop real men back then. Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality. Pussies. Well Fucking Said! |
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| John Cocktosen User ID: 26575283 03/05/2013 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies! Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies. In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it. Physics couldn't stop real men back then. Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality. Pussies. LOL! :) The Apollo astronauts couldn't have passed through the Van Allen Belt. Van Allen wore suspenders. Tip the butler. Blow the shofar. Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness..." |
| Just the facts! (OP) User ID: 35428221 03/05/2013 11:39 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hey OP, go back to the Blue Kachina. I re-read the Hopi prophecy and the Pale Prophet. We are now in the seven year tribulation. This is of profound significance and life changing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30658308 Start a new thread please. Which thread? ![]() "When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable must be the truth" |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4126404 03/06/2013 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits. That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere? The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics. It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics. Sorry dude, you don't understand simple radiometric properties. The intensity depends on the cosine of the solar angle. They landed at solar angles of 10 - 15 degrees above the horizon. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4126404 03/06/2013 07:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I said... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35554920 Did Americans land on the moon 1969 when the whole world was watching!? No! why!? Because, whole world was watching and there's numerous things that have could go wrong...numerous! Even the "smallest" glitch could cause fiasco...and you got whole world watching it...and you got "bad,mean Russians" just waiting for Americans to "slip" So, they recorded that in studio... Think about it!!! Maybe they went to moon numerous time before that and after that...I don't know... but I'm pretty sure people didn't see real landing on the moon that 1969. Think about it...it's just that simple! I think you make a good point. A lunar "fail" would be not only catastrophic for Americans to witness, but embarrassing to have happen on a world stage. We did have failures. Apollo 1, Apollo 13 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4126404 03/06/2013 07:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sorry let's just get this quite clear! Quoting: Just the facts! What you're saying is, NASA or whoever it is, just shoots a laser beam in the general direction of the reflector in the vain hope that some, now very diffused light might just hit it and bounce back in an even more diffused form to be collected and used for accurate measurements? Not very scientific is it? ![]() Your ignorance of science does not mean science doesn't work. Science does not rely on you. |
| Halcyon Dayz, FCD Contrarian's Contrarian User ID: 31033756 03/06/2013 07:30 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits. Quoting: Weasel_Turbine That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere? The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics. It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics. Sorry dude, you don't understand simple radiometric properties. The intensity depends on the cosine of the solar angle. They landed at solar angles of 10 - 15 degrees above the horizon. I think you screwed up the tags. Apparently some people managed to sleep trough school all the way from elementary to dropping out. If there's one thing all hoaxies have in common it is their astonishing ignorance of how things work. Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 03/06/2013 07:32 PM Hatred is a cancer upon the world. It rots the mind and blackens the heart. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4126404 03/06/2013 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1580336 Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies! the only ones saying that are the deniers Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies. Since the belts and the Moon are inclined to the Earth's equator there was no need to go through the thickest part of the belt. In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it. Physics couldn't stop real men back then. Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality. Pussies. No. It is economics, not physics. |
| nzreva User ID: 19624091 03/06/2013 07:38 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Da Da daaa Da daaa da daaa ddaaaaaa DDDAAAA DDAAAA! (Star Trek Theme) Quoting: BuggedOut Moon Lander [link to history.nasa.gov] Good vid! What the general public does not understand is that the technology the gov't has and uses, ranges anywhere from 50 to 500 years ahead of what they, the common people, are allowed to know exists. I'm glad we have a non general public person on GLP to inform us about stuff...... |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 4126404 03/06/2013 07:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183 Oh, I see your problem. An unwillingness to do hard numbers. Me,a Mathematician,no. Understands Radiation damages Film,yes. Understands Space within the Solar System is loaded with Ionizing Radiation. Understands the Moon is a Large Secondary Gamma Source on Earth,second(as a constant)to the Sun. [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] 'Today, these gamma-ray bursts, which happen at least once a day, are seen to last for fractions of a second to minutes, popping off like cosmic flashbulbs from unexpected directions, flickering, and then fading after briefly dominating the gamma-ray sky' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] ' The Crab nebula, shown also in the visible light image, was created by a supernova that brightened the night sky in 1054 A.D. In 1967, astronomers detected the remnant core of that star; a rapidly rotating, magnetic pulsar flashing every 0.33 second in radio waves. Perhaps the most spectacular discovery in gamma-ray astronomy came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Detectors on board the Vela satellite series, originally military satellites, began to record bursts of gamma-rays -- not from Earth, but from deep space' 'If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar. The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible. In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] . Ffs. You are taking one image you do not understand and make wild assumputions from it. The Moon is not, directly, the gamma ray source. Read the paper from which the image came. EGRET Detection of Gamma Rays from the Moon The Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (EGRET) on the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory has detected gamma rays from the Moon as it passed through the instrument field of view several times between 1991 and 1994. The average flux, (4.7 +/- 0.7) x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, and the energy spectrum of the lunar gamma radiation are consistent with a model of gamma ray production by cosmic ray interactions with the lunar surface, and the flux varies as expected with the solar cycle. Although the same processes may occur on the Sun, EGRET does not detect the quiet Sun. The upper limit, 3.0 x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, does not contradict calculations of the expected solar gamma-ray flux. Thus, in high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is brighter than the quiet Sun. Cosmic rays interact with the soil and produce gamma rays. Also, the gamma ray flux is rather low. What did you not understand about 'Secondary Gamma Source'? What don't you understand about extremely low flux level. |