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HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

 
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Oh, I see your problem.

An unwillingness to do hard numbers.
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183


Me,a Mathematician,no.

Understands Radiation damages Film,yes.

Understands Space within the Solar System is loaded with Ionizing Radiation.

Understands the Moon is a Large Secondary Gamma Source on Earth,second(as a constant)to the Sun.

[link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

'Today, these gamma-ray bursts, which happen at least once a day, are seen to last for fractions of a second to minutes, popping off like cosmic flashbulbs from unexpected directions, flickering, and then fading after briefly dominating the gamma-ray sky' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov]

' The Crab nebula, shown also in the visible light image, was created by a supernova that brightened the night sky in 1054 A.D. In 1967, astronomers detected the remnant core of that star; a rapidly rotating, magnetic pulsar flashing every 0.33 second in radio waves.

Perhaps the most spectacular discovery in gamma-ray astronomy came in the late 1960s and early 1970s. Detectors on board the Vela satellite series, originally military satellites, began to record bursts of gamma-rays -- not from Earth, but from deep space'

'If you could see gamma-rays, the night sky would look strange and unfamiliar.

The gamma-ray moon just looks like a round blob - lunar features are not visible. In high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is actually brighter than the quiet Sun. This image was taken by EGRET' [link to science.hq.nasa.gov] .

Ffs.
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium


You are taking one image you do not understand and make wild assumputions from it. The Moon is not, directly, the gamma ray source. Read the paper from which the image came.

EGRET Detection of Gamma Rays from the Moon

The Energetic Gamma Ray Experiment Telescope (EGRET) on the Compton Gamma Ray Observatory has detected gamma rays from the Moon as it passed through the instrument field of view several times between 1991 and 1994. The average flux, (4.7 +/- 0.7) x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, and the energy spectrum of the lunar gamma radiation are consistent with a model of gamma ray production by cosmic ray interactions with the lunar surface, and the flux varies as expected with the solar cycle. Although the same processes may occur on the Sun, EGRET does not detect the quiet Sun. The upper limit, 3.0 x 10(-7) ph(>100 MeV)/cm(2) s, does not contradict calculations of the expected solar gamma-ray flux. Thus, in high-energy gamma rays, the Moon is brighter than the quiet Sun.

Cosmic rays interact with the soil and produce gamma rays. Also, the gamma ray flux is rather low.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4126404


What did you not understand about 'Secondary Gamma Source'?
 Quoting: Spittin'Cesium



What don't you understand about extremely low flux level.
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
The Apollo astronauts did not go from 253F to -243F while they were on the Moon. They were on the surface for only a couple of days. The Sun angle was between 10 and 15 degrees above the horizon. The max temperature for that angle is around 90F, easily handled by the suits.
 Quoting: Weasel_Turbine

That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16425547

The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics.

It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics.

Sorry dude, you don't understand simple radiometric properties. The intensity depends on the cosine of the solar angle.

They landed at solar angles of 10 - 15 degrees above the horizon.
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I think you screwed up the tags.

Apparently some people managed to sleep trough school all the way from elementary to dropping out.
If there's one thing all hoaxies have in common it is their astonishing ignorance of how things work.
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Yes I did. Have to be more careful.
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Radiation shielding would have worked regardless of the number of belts between earth and the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Is that like the radiation shielding we earth people used to protect the human body so we could safely shut down nuclear power plants in Russia and Japan?
Funny thing is nasa was asked for help with those and they said they didn't have anything that could protect a person from radiation. So like the man said, "How did they get through the van allen radiation belt? They tried with the shuttle also, just moving up a bit closer to it and they started feeling sick, long before actually getting into it so they came back to low orbit.
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They don't make space suits like they used to...
 Quoting: BuggedOut


Yeah apparently we need some more of that space age late 60's technology!

What happened to us - did we just forget how to do stuff - I mean it's obvious that the computers we have now are shit compared to late 60's tech what with how they were able to program, pilot, land, blast off, re-couple and return to earth using total computing power of less than that of the average smartphone.

Hell, they even beamed back live coverage of the landing and take-off from the surface of the moon (I kinda feel sorry for the camera man who was left behind and is unknown and unsung in the history of our illustrious space program) while today we STILL get dropped cellphone calls and there is a patchwork of no cell coverage areas across the U.S.

Ditto with the micro meteorite defying anti radiation playtex space suits that could go from 253 F (123 C) in full sunlight to -243 F (153 C) in the shade without so much as any loss of surface plaibility or suit integrity let alone any noticeable discomfort to person wearing the suit.

Man these are the new dark ages.

(My thanks to Dave McGowan for his Wag the Moon Doggie Series! Look it up if you haven;t read it!!)
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If I have a bill for $4.27 and give the cashier $5.02, the stunned look on their faces as they give me back $.75 (three quarters) is akin to a magic trick. How did you do that? 

You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3.

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Please send my shill checks to:
2600 Scenic dr
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If I have a bill for $4.27 and give the cashier $5.02, the stunned look on their faces as they give me back $.75 (three quarters) is akin to a magic trick. How did you do that? 

You've never been lost until you've been lost at Mach 3.

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Credit to all uploaders whose content I steal

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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
it would be easy to annihilate the non believers ..
Just send a mouse and webcast the journey! (through "that" 600Mbps Moon link)
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
NASA discovers NEW Van Allen Belt!

So, if we didn't know about this, what else don't we know about?

[link to science.nasa.gov]

...and how could we get through it safely on our way to the moon??

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 Quoting: Just the facts!


What makes you think that nasa didn't know about this?

Are you suggesting that nasa informs the masses about what happens in space accurately?

Common of course this is not new to nasa.

Obviously. What they discover we will with a few decades of lag ....
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
Same people says we evolved from apes.
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Moon landing believers don't know what they don't know and they never will know.
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Re: HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??
Radiation shielding would have worked regardless of the number of belts between earth and the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15292827


Is that like the radiation shielding we earth people used to protect the human body so we could safely shut down nuclear power plants in Russia and Japan?
Funny thing is nasa was asked for help with those and they said they didn't have anything that could protect a person from radiation. So like the man said, "How did they get through the van allen radiation belt? They tried with the shuttle also, just moving up a bit closer to it and they started feeling sick, long before actually getting into it so they came back to low orbit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49164080


Not all radiation is the same. Nuclear reactors havegamma and neutron radiation. Space is primarily alpha and beta particle radiation. Shielding requirements are entirely different. That you are trying to equate them shows your ignorance on the subject.

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