HOW did we get to the MOON if we didn't know about this??

Yes, I'm afraid so. Not very scientific. Perhaps you should stop using the Spock image.


First thing you have to think about is the fact that they are using a laser. What makes a laser interesting is not just spacial coherence, but tight control of frequency and temporal coherence.

So first off, you aren't looking for photons to return from the Moon. You are looking for photons at -- say -- 532 nanometers. And you aren't looking for a flash to happen "some time." You know the speed of light, and you know the distance of the Moon (some Greek guys figured it out a few years ago). So you are looking for a change in illumination at the detector that is happening during a precise fraction of a second.

In fact, these observatories are using pulsed lasers with pulse lengths in the nanometer range -- pulse lengths shorter than the wavelength of the photons themselves! And they are sending out multiple pulses, spaced a very carefully timed distance apart.

So rather than looking for a single flash, you are looking for a PATTERN to appear in the data coming off the photodetector. Which is, of course, mounted behind a high-power telescope which is aimed right at the known location of the reflector.

And, yes, the spot on Earth has spread to a good fifty miles in diameter.

Which, however, if you drew to scale, would be damned near a straight line. Because this is over the distance from the Earth to the Moon -- 250 THOUSAND miles. That's a divergence of one part in 50 thousand.

As a first approximation, light coming off any OTHER part of the Moon is following the inverse-square law; 250 thousand miles from the Moon, those photons are spread over an area that is 250 thousand times 250 thousand miles.

So as a first approximation, that little corner-cube array is sending light back towards your observatory some 10 MILLION times more efficiently than the rest of the Moon.



(There's a lot more detail to this and it is fascinating. Take just for a starter that the Moon is not in fact Lambertian, but is overall an anisotropic reflector -- an optical effect most notable at Full Moon. Or there is the function of the corner-cube reflector, an effect seen not just in crosswalks, Nike shoes, and dewdrops, but biologically in the form of the tapetum lucidum -- which to the dismay of many people dropped out of the primate lineage right after our ancestors parted company with the Ay-Ay.)

By knowing where they are.
The same way ICBMs can hit Moscow without actually seeing it.




This is know as the Shill Gambit and it is only ever used by people who cannot support their claims with facts and evidence.
Because if they could they would.



Everything that can be claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Just stating your believe is useless.


They brought back 16mm film from the Data Acquisition Camera.
And of course thousands of high resolution photographs.
Which is of course are all publicly available.

The question here is of course why don't you know that?
Why are hoaxies always people who know absolutely nothing about Apollo, space travel, space engineering, astronomy, physics, history, economics, etcetera ad nauseam?



Proof it.


Indeed.


Proof it.


A lie.

And still no numbers...


Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 03/04/2013 02:34 PM

Mmm... All very interesting! So, you do this type of work for a living then?

The real reason that we could go to the moon then and we can't go now is because men were men back then and now there ain't nothing but a bunch of pussies.

Back then all we needed was a thin sheet of aluminum foil between the astronauts and outer space, now they say we need at least six feet of lead shielding. Pussies!

Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.

In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.

We didn't go the first time
Thread: My Husband Directed The Fake Moon Landing Says Stanley Kubrick's Widow.

Ban physics!

What did you not understand about 'Secondary Gamma Source'?

they did indeed brought them back but the real hi res movie and incriminating photos were withheld. and the astronauts were subjected to mind program to keep the secrets. did u see hi res movie on moon like the resolution of footage where the stages separated?

there are footage with better colors and res from recorders attached to telescope by independent enthusiast.

nasa should release the good stuff like reddish orange ground and artifacts found but they will reveal diff than the live public broadcast

Proof it.


Proof it.


Wut.
Try again in English.

Nobody cares about your confabulations.
What is your EVIDENCE?

the only spaca missions to cross the Van Allen radiation belts were the moon landings... We did not go and we cannot go back now. Anyone who still buys that load of shit are hopeless sheep

Maybe I don't like seeing people spread ignorance? Maybe I'm interested in space? So what? Definitely not my job.

Your analogy stinks. Many people are against racism, or pedophilia, or many other topics. They spend hours protesting against them and can be found on many message boards. Does that mean those things they are protesting against are not bad?

How DARE people have a hobby? How DARE they! The Monsters!

Nobody says we need six feet of lead except the hoax believers that have proven they don't understand it.


No back then they went around the majority of the belts and only through the thinnest outer edges. When they go back they'll likely use a similar trajectory.


Prove they needed protection from those types of radiation. Specifically, prove that they were at level that needed protection. Since they are NOT blocked by the Van Allen belts, the levels are very similar on the Moon as in low Earth orbit. So prove why they should need more shielding on the Moon.

HYDRA - come out : )



Weasel Rotary - Try not to treat questions/thoughts with disdain - It has the opposite effect to what you claim to be trying to convey.

Tiss' all.

For the fury -

'September 8, 2005: On the Moon, many of the things that can kill you are invisible: breathtaking vacuum, extreme temperatures and space radiation top the list.

Vacuum and temperature NASA can handle; spacesuits and habitats provide plenty of air and insulation. Radiation, though, is trickier.
The surface of the Moon is baldly exposed to cosmic rays and solar flares, and some of that radiation is very hard to stop with shielding. Furthermore, when cosmic rays hit the ground, they produce a dangerous spray of secondary particles right at your feet. All this radiation penetrating human flesh can damage DNA, boosting the risk of cancer and other maladies'

'According to the Vision for Space Exploration, NASA plans to send astronauts back to the Moon by 2020 and, eventually, to set up an outpost. For people to live and work on the Moon safely, the radiation problem must be solved.

"We really need to know more about the radiation environment on the Moon, especially if people will be staying there for more than just a few days," says Harlan Spence, a professor of astronomy at Boston University' [link to science.nasa.gov] .

Highlighted - You would have thought they already knew enough in the case that there were to be a incident during Apollo?

Devils' Advocate.

If there were an "incident" with Apollo they'd been dead before "more then a few days" became relevant.

People want to live and work on the Moon.
That means that at some point they will be exposed to solar events.
Whole different ball game.

You still don't seem to understand that the biological damage from radiation is accumulative.

I do,why do you say that!?




Regarding Solar Events,exactly.

This is still not my playground though Hal,you want to talk Solar?

Last Edited by Spittin'Cesium on 03/04/2013 09:19 PM

Also,background radiation is accumulative - Individual events can deliver enough to be Fatal in a few Seconds/Minutes,dependent on the dose and type of exposure.

I am not arguing this,I am stating it - Not with relation to whether we went to the Moon or not.

They didn't even then.
Remember that time the guy went out for a spacewalk on the shuttle and he got frostbite cause they hadn't invented
the gloves yet to withstand the cold of space.
That was awesome.

Well Fucking Said!

Hey OP, go back to the Blue Kachina. I re-read the Hopi prophecy and the Pale Prophet. We are now in the seven year tribulation. This is of profound significance and life changing.
Start a new thread please.

Which thread?

The thread with the camera shot over the volcano. See Marshall Master vid. You got it right-it is a real object and it fits the Hopi Prophecy. Thanks for the heads up.

That's total bullshit right there, dude. Stupid shill bullshit. Tell me what difference the angle of the Sun makes with no atmosphere?


The angle determines how much solar heat hits a given surface. Basic thermodynamics.

It still doesn't change the fact that heating up and down is not an instantaneous process either. It takes time to change temperature. That is also basic thermodynamics.


Sorry dude, you don't understand simple radiometric properties. The intensity depends on the cosine of the solar angle.

They landed at solar angles of 10 - 15 degrees above the horizon.

Your ignorance of science does not mean science doesn't work. Science does not rely on you.

I think you screwed up the tags.

Apparently some people managed to sleep trough school all the way from elementary to dropping out.
If there's one thing all hoaxies have in common it is their astonishing ignorance of how things work.


Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 03/06/2013 07:32 PM

There is more that we don't know than we do know.
When Columbus landed in the caribbean, he thought
he was in india.
Can't wait to know everything or be 100% sure
of success before we try.

the only ones saying that are the deniers


Back then we had real men who could go through the Van Allen belts and live into their seventies and more. Now today they say that going through the belts will kill you. What a bunch of pussies.


Since the belts and the Moon are inclined to the Earth's equator there was no need to go through the thickest part of the belt.




In the 60's real men didn't care or even think about solar radiation on the surface of the moon. No protection from Gamma rays or synchrotron radiation either. This is what pussies worry about. Back then we whacked a golf ball around the moon just to prove we could do it.

Physics couldn't stop real men back then.

Today we let physics push us around and dictate reality.

Pussies.




No. It is economics, not physics.

I'm glad we have a non general public person on GLP to inform us about stuff......