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What Happens After You Die: THE Geography of the AFTERLIFE & The LAWS of SPIRITUALITY: Authored From the OHTER SIDE!!

 
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Some NDEs I believe may be subject, to the subconscious beliefs. There's an important NDE, by a lawyer, that shows this.

Due to this, and to rule out NDEs, that may be a product of the person's mind.

You should look for NDEs / OBEs, in which the person learned of information that was impossible to know, and then later researched to be true. This shows, the experience was not subject to the person's beliefs.

Now, there's a handful of cases like these, that I studied. The conclusion, from these specific types of NDEs, validate Christianity, and the existence of heaven, hell, Jesus, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


Here's one of many real examples, I'm talking about.

I believe these are the absolute best types of NDEs, since the person's subconscious beliefs and expectations can be ruled out.

A boy, has an NDE. And goes to heaven. Here he sees, 2 family members that are deceased. He learned of information about them, that was impossible to know, that was previously unknown, and his family never told him. After returning to his body, his family shocked, verified the information he shared with them, down to the exact details.

Also, during his NDE, he also saw, what his family were doing, and described this in details. His family also, confirmed what he stated was true down to the exact details.

So, from this experience, we see, it wasn't a product of his mind. So what else did he see in this experience?

He also saw Jesus, and even the crucifixion wounds.

Here's more validation, the experience was genuine.

Out of all the countless paintings and depictions of Jesus, he stated, there's only one that actually looks like him. This painting was done by a girl, Akianna, when she was only 8. This girl, stated, she has visions of heaven and Jesus.

Here's more validation. There's a woman, that too stated she's been to heaven. She also, state, that out of all paintings and depictions, that only one looks like Jesus, she too states, it was the exact same one.
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Easily Explained.

Resonating Energy On the Spiritual Plane his NDE was associated with.

Since Christ Conscious is so PREVALENT in this WORLD
Someone would Easily Accidentally tap into it....Humanity CREATED CHRIST conscious out of Spiritual Belief Just like EVIL SATAN it manifested it self into something...

Akashik Records can also be tapped into and Give Information unknown even about Deceased to those in an NDE.


Christ Conscious is a manifestation of Human Energy

Satan is a manifestation of EVIL.

There are MANY manifestations of Energy....
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Some NDEs I believe may be subject, to the subconscious beliefs. There's an important NDE, by a lawyer, that shows this.

Due to this, and to rule out NDEs, that may be a product of the person's mind.

You should look for NDEs / OBEs, in which the person learned of information that was impossible to know, and then later researched to be true. This shows, the experience was not subject to the person's beliefs.

Now, there's a handful of cases like these, that I studied. The conclusion, from these specific types of NDEs, validate Christianity, and the existence of heaven, hell, Jesus, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


Here's one of many real examples, I'm talking about.

I believe these are the absolute best types of NDEs, since the person's subconscious beliefs and expectations can be ruled out.

A boy, has an NDE. And goes to heaven. Here he sees, 2 family members that are deceased. He learned of information about them, that was impossible to know, that was previously unknown, and his family never told him. After returning to his body, his family shocked, verified the information he shared with them, down to the exact details.

Also, during his NDE, he also saw, what his family were doing, and described this in details. His family also, confirmed what he stated was true down to the exact details.

So, from this experience, we see, it wasn't a product of his mind. So what else did he see in this experience?

He also saw Jesus, and even the crucifixion wounds.

Here's more validation, the experience was genuine.

Out of all the countless paintings and depictions of Jesus, he stated, there's only one that actually looks like him. This painting was done by a girl, Akianna, when she was only 8. This girl, stated, she has visions of heaven and Jesus.

Here's more validation. There's a woman, that too stated she's been to heaven. She also, state, that out of all paintings and depictions, that only one looks like Jesus, she too states, it was the exact same one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


Easily Explained.

Resonating Energy On the Spiritual Plane his NDE was associated with.

Since Christ Conscious is so PREVALENT in this WORLD
Someone would Easily Accidentally tap into it....Humanity CREATED CHRIST conscious out of Spiritual Belief Just like EVIL SATAN it manifested it self into something...

Akashik Records can also be tapped into and Give Information unknown even about Deceased to those in an NDE.


Christ Conscious is a manifestation of Human Energy

Satan is a manifestation of EVIL.

There are MANY manifestations of Energy....
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1) Regarding the resonating spiritual energy. Again, after examining specifically the absolute best NDE cases, where the subconscious can be ruled out. It shows, there's no multiple higher spiritual planes. There's one heavenly plane, and this plane, matches with the description in the Bible.

Again specifically regarding these best types of NDE, where the subconscious is ruled out, I never came across any cases, where the person then saw Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, etc.

2) Again, when Christ was seen, he did have crucifixion wounds, implying this is more than merely a consciousness / spiritual construct. In addition, multiple people, when taken to heaven, was also shown, the real crucifixion, when it occurred in the past. Further showing, this isn't merely a creation of the masses.

3) When you're dealing with the Akashik records, in no instance, did I see, where the person, actually interacts with the deceased themselves. With the Akashik, the person becomes more like an observer, or receives 'knowings'. Even then, the quality of the information, is often poor and inaccurate.
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Some NDEs I believe may be subject, to the subconscious beliefs. There's an important NDE, by a lawyer, that shows this.

Due to this, and to rule out NDEs, that may be a product of the person's mind.

You should look for NDEs / OBEs, in which the person learned of information that was impossible to know, and then later researched to be true. This shows, the experience was not subject to the person's beliefs.

Now, there's a handful of cases like these, that I studied. The conclusion, from these specific types of NDEs, validate Christianity, and the existence of heaven, hell, Jesus, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


Here's one of many real examples, I'm talking about.

I believe these are the absolute best types of NDEs, since the person's subconscious beliefs and expectations can be ruled out.

A boy, has an NDE. And goes to heaven. Here he sees, 2 family members that are deceased. He learned of information about them, that was impossible to know, that was previously unknown, and his family never told him. After returning to his body, his family shocked, verified the information he shared with them, down to the exact details.

Also, during his NDE, he also saw, what his family were doing, and described this in details. His family also, confirmed what he stated was true down to the exact details.

So, from this experience, we see, it wasn't a product of his mind. So what else did he see in this experience?

He also saw Jesus, and even the crucifixion wounds.

Here's more validation, the experience was genuine.

Out of all the countless paintings and depictions of Jesus, he stated, there's only one that actually looks like him. This painting was done by a girl, Akianna, when she was only 8. This girl, stated, she has visions of heaven and Jesus.

Here's more validation. There's a woman, that too stated she's been to heaven. She also, state, that out of all paintings and depictions, that only one looks like Jesus, she too states, it was the exact same one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


The book I have referred to in this thread, talks about how spirits after they die, continue their previous beliefs system. How they are allowed to 'build' churches and mosques and continue praying in their Earthly belief system.
So you have, in the spirit world, Christians praying in Churches, Muslims praying in Mosques, etc.

Over time, once the spirit 'settles down' , they begin to open their inner eyes slowly. This is time period where they are slowly inculcated back into thier original spirit existence.
Slowly, the spirits discard their Earthly belief system, and things are back to normal.

The boy could be referring to Akianne's painting as the most true, as having the most spiritual likeness,.

If you really study the history of Christianity, knowing how much Christianity has borrowed from other belief systems, its pretty difficult to accept the existence of a person called Jesus Christ. From a spiritual pov , all spirits are equal. There can be great spirit teachers sent down to Earth, but don't lose sight of your true goal,....its to improve your own soul.
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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Some NDEs I believe may be subject, to the subconscious beliefs. There's an important NDE, by a lawyer, that shows this.

Due to this, and to rule out NDEs, that may be a product of the person's mind.

You should look for NDEs / OBEs, in which the person learned of information that was impossible to know, and then later researched to be true. This shows, the experience was not subject to the person's beliefs.

Now, there's a handful of cases like these, that I studied. The conclusion, from these specific types of NDEs, validate Christianity, and the existence of heaven, hell, Jesus, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


Here's one of many real examples, I'm talking about.

I believe these are the absolute best types of NDEs, since the person's subconscious beliefs and expectations can be ruled out.

A boy, has an NDE. And goes to heaven. Here he sees, 2 family members that are deceased. He learned of information about them, that was impossible to know, that was previously unknown, and his family never told him. After returning to his body, his family shocked, verified the information he shared with them, down to the exact details.

Also, during his NDE, he also saw, what his family were doing, and described this in details. His family also, confirmed what he stated was true down to the exact details.

So, from this experience, we see, it wasn't a product of his mind. So what else did he see in this experience?

He also saw Jesus, and even the crucifixion wounds.

Here's more validation, the experience was genuine.

Out of all the countless paintings and depictions of Jesus, he stated, there's only one that actually looks like him. This painting was done by a girl, Akianna, when she was only 8. This girl, stated, she has visions of heaven and Jesus.

Here's more validation. There's a woman, that too stated she's been to heaven. She also, state, that out of all paintings and depictions, that only one looks like Jesus, she too states, it was the exact same one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


The book I have referred to in this thread, talks about how spirits after they die, continue their previous beliefs system. How they are allowed to 'build' churches and mosques and continue praying in their Earthly belief system.
So you have, in the spirit world, Christians praying in Churches, Muslims praying in Mosques, etc.

Over time, once the spirit 'settles down' , they begin to open their inner eyes slowly. This is time period where they are slowly inculcated back into thier original spirit existence.
Slowly, the spirits discard their Earthly belief system, and things are back to normal.

The boy could be referring to Akianne's painting as the most true, as having the most spiritual likeness,.

If you really study the history of Christianity, knowing how much Christianity has borrowed from other belief systems, its pretty difficult to accept the existence of a person called Jesus Christ. From a spiritual pov , all spirits are equal. There can be great spirit teachers sent down to Earth, but don't lose sight of your true goal,....its to improve your own soul.
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The book your referring to, is one I read and own, by Allen Kardec, so I'm very aware of his messages.

Regarding the boy, it's not merely him, and there's multiple other cases, describing Jesus, in nearly identical manners, as the boy. Many too state, they saw the crucifixion wounds.

Also, there's another entire category of experiences, that are not NDEs or OBEs. In these cases, Jesus will supernaturally appear to people, when the person is fully awake. This is at times accompanied by two additional factors.

1) Jesus, tells them things, which they later discovered to be actually true.

2) The person, receives a miraculous physical healing.

These two elements, show the experience was not a hallucination.

Now, this is unique to Jesus. For example, I looked for current examples of people, when fully awake, who saw Buddha, Muhammad, Krishna, etc, but I didn't find any.

Even if you found some, you would need to ensure, at least one of those two factors above, are present, to show the experience was not a hallucination.

Regarding Kardec's work, before delving into this, I feel another subject should be discussed.
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Some NDEs I believe may be subject, to the subconscious beliefs. There's an important NDE, by a lawyer, that shows this.

Due to this, and to rule out NDEs, that may be a product of the person's mind.

You should look for NDEs / OBEs, in which the person learned of information that was impossible to know, and then later researched to be true. This shows, the experience was not subject to the person's beliefs.

Now, there's a handful of cases like these, that I studied. The conclusion, from these specific types of NDEs, validate Christianity, and the existence of heaven, hell, Jesus, etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


Here's one of many real examples, I'm talking about.

I believe these are the absolute best types of NDEs, since the person's subconscious beliefs and expectations can be ruled out.

A boy, has an NDE. And goes to heaven. Here he sees, 2 family members that are deceased. He learned of information about them, that was impossible to know, that was previously unknown, and his family never told him. After returning to his body, his family shocked, verified the information he shared with them, down to the exact details.

Also, during his NDE, he also saw, what his family were doing, and described this in details. His family also, confirmed what he stated was true down to the exact details.

So, from this experience, we see, it wasn't a product of his mind. So what else did he see in this experience?

He also saw Jesus, and even the crucifixion wounds.

Here's more validation, the experience was genuine.

Out of all the countless paintings and depictions of Jesus, he stated, there's only one that actually looks like him. This painting was done by a girl, Akianna, when she was only 8. This girl, stated, she has visions of heaven and Jesus.

Here's more validation. There's a woman, that too stated she's been to heaven. She also, state, that out of all paintings and depictions, that only one looks like Jesus, she too states, it was the exact same one.
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The book I have referred to in this thread, talks about how spirits after they die, continue their previous beliefs system. How they are allowed to 'build' churches and mosques and continue praying in their Earthly belief system.
So you have, in the spirit world, Christians praying in Churches, Muslims praying in Mosques, etc.
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Let me touch on this point.

1) In the Christian NDEs, I never encountered a single one, where a church is built, or even present.

2) I came across a handful of Muslim's NDE, and not one saw Muhammad, built or saw a mosque. But rather, saw Jesus, and then left Islam.
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The book your referring to, is one I read and own, by Allen Kardec, so I'm very aware of his messages.


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That's not the book Im referring to.
Its THE LAWS OF SPIRITUALITY by
Khorshid Bhavanagri.
Please read my second post.

The book contains in-depth material on the afterlife, and the Geography of the sirit world, including descriptions of the astral Churches .
The Kardec book does not contain such information.
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Let me touch on this point.

1) In the Christian NDEs, I never encountered a single one, where a church is built, or even present.

2) I came across a handful of Muslim's NDE, and not one saw Muhammad, built or saw a mosque. But rather, saw Jesus, and then left Islam.
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NDE's are short visits, and brief impressions.
What you need is descriptions from spirits who live there.
NDE's exist all over the world and not just in America.
Many NDE's go un-reported.
If you were to survey all of them, you will realise that this is not a localized Christian phenomenon like you put it.
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Let me touch on this point.

1) In the Christian NDEs, I never encountered a single one, where a church is built, or even present.

2) I came across a handful of Muslim's NDE, and not one saw Muhammad, built or saw a mosque. But rather, saw Jesus, and then left Islam.
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NDE's are short visits, and brief impressions.
What you need is descriptions from spirits who live there.
NDE's exist all over the world and not just in America.
Many NDE's go un-reported.
If you were to survey all of them, you will realise that this is not a localized Christian phenomenon like you put it.
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Yes, I looked at Hindu NDEs.

I was specifically looking for cases, in which, the subconscious is ruled out. I didn't find any.

Also, if we listen to spirits, do you have a way to ensure, what the 'spirits' are speaking is even true?

For example, I know of many people who channeled 'spirits'. These channeled 'spirits' then gave a specific prophecies, that would occur at a specific period. I found, these prophecies did not occur. Showing these people, who channeled 'spirits' are frauds, or, delusional.

So it certainly is not reliable to listen to spirits.

If you have no way to validate the messages of the 'spirits', then one can pretend to say anything, and claim it as true, with no evidence.
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So it certainly is not reliable to listen to spirits.

If you have no way to validate the messages of the 'spirits', then one can pretend to say anything, and claim it as true, with no evidence.
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You talk about spirits as if they are the creation of nutjob conspiracy tin foil theorists.

Consider this:
Imagine for a moment that you are at the brink of death.
At the borderline between life and dying.
What do you think is going to happen to you after death?

Nobody is going to present you with a government sealed certificate of communications from the spirit world presented to you on the White House lawns.

You need to make matured decisions about the nature of the spirit world all by yourself.

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So it certainly is not reliable to listen to spirits.

If you have no way to validate the messages of the 'spirits', then one can pretend to say anything, and claim it as true, with no evidence.
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You talk about spirits as if they are the creation of nutjob conspiracy tin foil theorists.

Consider this:
Imagine for a moment that you are at the brink of death.
At the borderline between life and dying.
What do you think is going to happen to you after death?

Nobody is going to present you with a government sealed certificate of communications from the spirit world present to you on the White House lawns.

You need to make matured decisions about the nature of the spirit world all by yourself.
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Here's evidence, that the book and the 'spirit's the woman channeled is a fraud.

A review of the book states,
The last chapter contains a warning related to the catastrophic earth changes that are expected around the prophesied end-times of December 2012.

If the 'spirit's gave fraudulent prediction, like all channeled materials I came across, one can also expect everything else is a fraud, or a product of the woman's imagination.

Due to this, the book and the rest of the 'spirits' messages, certainly isn't reliable and credible.
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Here's evidence, that the book and the 'spirit's the woman channeled is a fraud.

A review of the book states,
The last chapter contains a warning related to the catastrophic earth changes that are expected around the prophesied end-times of December 2012.

If the 'spirit's gave fraudulent prediction, like all channeled materials I came across, one can also expect everything else is a fraud, or a product of the woman's imagination.

Due to this, the book and the rest of the 'spirits' messages, certainly isn't reliable and credible.
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The reviewer seems to have just browsed the last chapter of the book. I have the book open to the last chapter right now, in front of me, and nowhere does Khorshed mention any date of the Pole shift.

Here's an extract:

What will be the duration of the shift?
Khorshed: A major part of the devastation will take place within a few hours. It will be quite fast and at the time, when many have lost their near and dear ones, good people will guide and comfort them , giving them the strength to live and to not give up hope.

When will the shift of the axis happen?
Khorshed: THe timing is entirely in the hands of human beings. The more crimes and sins take place, the shift will occur.

What percentage of the World population will survive?
Khorshed: 25% of the world's population will survive.

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Back to the thread:

Here's an excerpt on what the author thinks of Black Magic and the Occult. We can use this in our understanding of how and why the Illuminati and all the satanic worshipers seem to be getting away SCOT FREE all the time:
She mentions this whilst talking about the power of PRAYER:

page #268

8.
You will be protected from Black Magic (when you pray)
The reason the vibration on Earth is so low is because many human beings are indulging in occult practices such as Black Magic or Witchcraft.
This is completely against God's laws as it goes against someone's free will and is about using darkness for personal gain, to control, to harm, or to manipulate.
Black Magic is an excess of projected NEGATIVE ENERGY. You may find it very hard to believe that it exists. Your logical mind will tell you that in an age of technology, no such thing is possible. We would have found it very hard to believe, too, if we were still on Earth. But Black Magic is dangerous, and has been prevalent on Earth for THOUSANDS of years. We have to make people aware fo it so that they can protect themselves through prayer and positive thinking. All dark practices are completely against God's Laws. Just as prayer creates and abundance of light, Black Magic creates an excess of NEGATIVE ENERGY. There is no reason to be fearful, just be aware, and understand that prayer is essential to protect you from the negative energy and therefore one must always be totally positive and fearless.


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:hellneedzu:

In a nutshell:


These are genuine messages recieved from the other side:

GOOD SOULS IN HEAVEN ARE DECREASING!!!!
MORE GOOD SOULS BEING CORRUPTED TO EVIL.



 Quoting: abhie

Christianity has nothing to do with anything since it was created by humans, it is not real. there is the astral realm, no hell no heaven. there is the lower astral planes and higher astral planes, and a few others

but NO HELL NO HEAVEN
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In a nutshell:


These are genuine messages recieved from the other side:

GOOD SOULS IN HEAVEN ARE DECREASING!!!!
MORE GOOD SOULS BEING CORRUPTED TO EVIL.



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Christianity has nothing to do with anything since it was created by humans, it is not real. there is the astral realm, no hell no heaven. there is the lower astral planes and higher astral planes, and a few others

but NO HELL NO HEAVEN
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HEAVEN is used in that post to describe the spirit world.
And going by the description of the place, it is indeed a beautiful heaven.

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only truth in this world comes from SHIVA everything else is a trap


har har mahadev
Put your awareness to work, not your mind. The mind is not the right instrument for this task. The timeless can be reached only by the timeless. Your body and your mind are born subject to time; only awareness is timeless, even in the now.
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Here's evidence, that the book and the 'spirit's the woman channeled is a fraud.

A review of the book states,
The last chapter contains a warning related to the catastrophic earth changes that are expected around the prophesied end-times of December 2012.

If the 'spirit's gave fraudulent prediction, like all channeled materials I came across, one can also expect everything else is a fraud, or a product of the woman's imagination.

Due to this, the book and the rest of the 'spirits' messages, certainly isn't reliable and credible.
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The reviewer seems to have just browsed the last chapter of the book. I have the book open to the last chapter right now, in front of me, and nowhere does Khorshed mention any date of the Pole shift.

Here's an extract:

What will be the duration of the shift?
Khorshed: A major part of the devastation will take place within a few hours. It will be quite fast and at the time, when many have lost their near and dear ones, good people will guide and comfort them , giving them the strength to live and to not give up hope.

When will the shift of the axis happen?
Khorshed: THe timing is entirely in the hands of human beings. The more crimes and sins take place, the shift will occur.

What percentage of the World population will survive?
Khorshed: 25% of the world's population will survive.

 Quoting: abhie


Okay, that's fair, and thanks for sharing.

Again, when it comes to the channeled spirits. When some channelers, gave specific prophecies, for specific dates, I found these didn't occur.

So, I'm highly skeptical of the messages of spirits. If she didn't give any specific dates, there's really no way to affirm or deny her messages, unless of course the pole shift does occur, and there being a 25% survival rate.

Also, NDEs certainly don't support her claims, of there being churches, in the astral plane. Now you state, some of these were given brief glimpses, but even then, I say it's more than merely a brief glimpse. For instance, some have stated, they seen God's throne room, and even the four living creatures around his throne. This is specifically mentioned in no other religion, except Christianity, and specifically the book of Ezekial. And in these same experiences, the people also learned of information that was unknown, but then proven to be true, meaning it wasn't merely their imagination.

And let me mention again an important piece of the puzzle, which is the multiple current accounts, of Jesus supernaturally appearing to people, when fully awake. So far, I found this to be unique with Jesus, and not occurring with Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, etc.
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This isn't the only such prophesy of course, besides this one and our friendly Mayans there were others such as Mother Shipton.

But prophecies of disaster that cannot be improved upon are useless, unless they are to inspire improvement for more hopeful results. There is an organisation called The Aetherius Society which is manipulating the karma of humanity, through such means as Operation Sunbeam.

This is literally changing the prophecies, and slowing down the Great Change which will come.


Here's evidence, that the book and the 'spirit's the woman channeled is a fraud.

A review of the book states,
The last chapter contains a warning related to the catastrophic earth changes that are expected around the prophesied end-times of December 2012.

If the 'spirit's gave fraudulent prediction, like all channeled materials I came across, one can also expect everything else is a fraud, or a product of the woman's imagination.

Due to this, the book and the rest of the 'spirits' messages, certainly isn't reliable and credible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35280651


The reviewer seems to have just browsed the last chapter of the book. I have the book open to the last chapter right now, in front of me, and nowhere does Khorshed mention any date of the Pole shift.

Here's an extract:

What will be the duration of the shift?
Khorshed: A major part of the devastation will take place within a few hours. It will be quite fast and at the time, when many have lost their near and dear ones, good people will guide and comfort them , giving them the strength to live and to not give up hope.

When will the shift of the axis happen?
Khorshed: THe timing is entirely in the hands of human beings. The more crimes and sins take place, the shift will occur.

What percentage of the World population will survive?
Khorshed: 25% of the world's population will survive.

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OP, not sure if this would of intrest to you. This person has maped out some of the realms.

How Many Ways Can You Draw Everything?
Well, quite a few, actually. While no planewalker who knows his onions will ever say "Yeah, that's the right way to map the planes", it's a cert that each one will have a favourite, preferred way of doing it.


Why bother trying to map something that's fundamentally unmappable? Well, cutter, it's a question of philosophy, that. The best way to understand something is to see it with your own eyes. Each of the visualisations you'll find below are merely ways of looking at the problem of mapping infinity. Sure, none of them are The Truth, but when you consider each for it's own merits, you'll begin to understand The Way Things Are. And that, as any rounder'll tell you, is the most important lesson of all. Read more:

[link to mimir.net]

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This particular post had my wheels turning, as soon as I hit the link and saw it's premise:

Why do we arrive here without foreknowledge? Why must we start from scratch?

Assuming that we've been on this earthly plane before, and, in coming back, the crux of our re-arrival is that THIS TIME AROUND our soul, once again, is being given the opportunity to hopefully improve its placement in the spiritual realms, wouldn't it be fortuitous to have arrived with some sense of where we had previously been, what our failings had been last time around, so this time around we would be better prepared to advance ourselves out of these cycles of rebirth?

But, the point is, we are NOT given foreknowledge. Each time we arrive, the slate is wiped clean. The free-will which is granted us each time finds us taking paths which can either be as simple, or, as complicated as our free-will can conjure up.

If we choose a complicated path, one in which we perhaps spend our entire life cycle trying to figure out the whats and whys of where we came from, and what the inner workings of this Universe MUST BE, we live in theoretical thought patterns, binding ourselves to the posits and unknowns that the Creator didn't think was all that important in the first place --or, our Creator would have allowed us some foreknowledge insight to bank on.

Yet, if we put aside all of these unknowns, and just DO what we came here to do, to live this lifetime in as pure an aspect as we can, when our time to return to the spiritual realm arrives, the given is that we will certainly have advanced ourselves, for we spent this entire cycle giving of ourselves, rather than, say, wondering if alms to the needy hinders them while making our own soul suspect.

The bottom line is that we tend to think TOO MUCH about the ethical and moral aspects of that which is the most simple path: LOVING KINDNESS.

Since we have arrived without foreknowledge, we really have NO CLUE as to the path another has chosen in their own return.

Let's assume that in our past life we were consumed by greed. In our quest to procure as much of something as we could possibly attain, our actions sometimes caused others to suffer terrible losses.

In our next life, we might choose one of these two paths:

1. To place ourselves back where we left of, this time believing that we can shed our need for greed by finding a better way to be.

2. To place ourselves on the other side of the matter, by experiencing what it was like for those parties we had harmed last time around.

In case two, we have still chosen our station for the purpose of advancement, nonetheless.

Another might wonder WHY anyone would choose such a lowly state, but it is really NOT anyone else's concern. It is not their path to question.

Example two might prove to be the better of the two paths for that particular soul, since it did have the freewill to take an easier road, yet, thought it best to experience just what its prior actions had caused to happen, in the hope that it would learn valuable lessons this time around. Some cycles of action, being difficult to break, call for extreme measures.

Now, let's assume that a soul has already advanced to higher realms. It has already learned valuable lessons, and realizes that its next incarnation could be more valuable in service to others, so, it chooses to be born into a life which will be what some in this thread has likened to that of a beggar, or, one who is poor and needy.

The actual truth is really one of perception.

Without foreknowledge of the ULTIMATE TRUTH of any soul we encounter, one person will see this 'poor' soul and feel compassion, perhaps even do what it can to ease the burden in some large or small way, while another looks at this 'poor soul' and feels some degree of disgust.

In example one, the compassionate soul has reinforced all that is right in the Universal scheme of things, by encouraging a positive outcome.

In example two, that 'poor beggar' actually gave the disgusted individual the opportunity to do the same, yet, the disgusted individual's perceptual proclivities were wanting. If there is any point to this cycle of rebirth, it is for each soul to advance upwards...not stay stagnant or regress.

In the scheme of things, that second person will need to learn that all is not what it seems, or, its lack of perception will keep working against it.

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Not to bring religion into this, I am only using a precept as example. I grew up Roman Catholic, and have since rejected religion for my own soul's journey, YET, I WAS taught one valuable lesson when learning about the man named Jesus...that we should see HIS face in the face of all people we meet, treating all people with the utmost degree of love in all it's glory.

This was the point where I came to believe in reincarnation, and remaining doctrine became unnecessary to me. Ironically, this occurred in freshman year of Catholic high school, once I was introduced to comparative religions. Some of them made more sense to me!

If one lives their life in an relatively altruistic manner, our journey becomes simple...as least it has been for my own soul's purpose.

Never think too much...just DO, just BE in each moment.


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Now, as far as theories are concerned, if our life's path causes us to be thinkers, to wonder the whys of our purpose, our origin, the ultimate reasons that we exist at all...it's not really a bad thing...yet, I wonder that it is not all that necessary, if necessary at all. The Universe will still unfold as it should, whether we are living outside of bustling society in a remote area, or, have all the creature comforts available to us as easily as we breathe air.

A soul does not need to know mystery and theory to advance. In the realms to which our soul aspires, it really only needs to take the correct path for it's journey back to source.

If we are to be thinkers, and, hopefully doers, then we should be advancing the stations of all mankind, not devising schemes to only advance some, while leaving others behind.

Sometimes our minds gets so in the way of progress, we cause to advance all the wrong things.

If we are part of that kind of Earthly scheme, if our actions or in-actions allow negative things to occur, maybe a reset WILL BE NECESSARY to start 'things' from scratch...but, this is not something I am addressing here.

We came to this Earthly paradise as innocent babes, with a clean slate, full of smiles and a sense of love that could correct all manner of imbalance if we were allowed the chance to mature without hinderances from questionable forces.

In a perfect world, there would be no war, no poverty, no abuses to mankind. Yet, it appears that Earth is not THE PERFECT WORLD, Earth is just an imperfect battle or testing ground, a realm where all souls must come to learn perfection.

Yet, I cannot help but wonder what happens if enough soon-to-be-perfected souls treated this realm correctly, if this beautiful planet which we have been given was honored the way it should be. Could we then achieve a kind of Heaven on Earth? Would the eradication of negative constructs be counter to why Earth exists at all?

This is what tells me that 'evil' exists as it must. But, just as free will is given to us to take a high path, or, make choices that defeat our soul's journey to perfection, we all have the ability to dance with or reject that which is considered to be evil. It's the degree to which we accept it is what makes evil a BAD thing.

Evil seems a necessary tool which exists for each generation of souls to either play along with, or, reject.

Therefore, the battle for souls is just an uncanny construct of perception, one in which each age which thinks too much about its existence devises ways to make it seem as a cloak of ultimate doom for ALL MANKIND, rather as just something that will trap a soul into a cycle of rebirth that it finds hard to free itself from.

If evil-leaning minds were to cause any number of us to die this very day, where we go at the moment we leave this Earthly Realm still has EVERYTHING to do with how we lived our life. Whether I die a natural death, or, die at the hands of those whose actions were based on evil intent, does not change my ability to have made progress in this lifetime, as long as my path remained pure.

If we ONLY knew goodness, we would not be able to recognize and reject that which is unsound. Read Job. It is a very interesting tale which places good and 'evil' on a balanced scale. It's all up to US how we deal with what the Universe places in our path.

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Thank you, abhie, for your time and effort in posting this thread; it's quite long but worth our time to read and there are many important things to learn. Thanks again.
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Thank you for taking the time to write that.
May your Mom's soul be at peace.
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You're welcome. Good to see the thread picked back up again.
Thank you, I believe she is.
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Okay, that's fair, and thanks for sharing.

Again, when it comes to the channeled spirits. When some channelers, gave specific prophecies, for specific dates, I found these didn't occur.

So, I'm highly skeptical of the messages of spirits. If she didn't give any specific dates, there's really no way to affirm or deny her messages, unless of course the pole shift does occur, and there being a 25% survival rate.

Also, NDEs certainly don't support her claims, of there being churches, in the astral plane. Now you state, some of these were given brief glimpses, but even then, I say it's more than merely a brief glimpse. For instance, some have stated, they seen God's throne room, and even the four living creatures around his throne. This is specifically mentioned in no other religion, except Christianity, and specifically the book of Ezekial. And in these same experiences, the people also learned of information that was unknown, but then proven to be true, meaning it wasn't merely their imagination.

And let me mention again an important piece of the puzzle, which is the multiple current accounts, of Jesus supernaturally appearing to people, when fully awake. So far, I found this to be unique with Jesus, and not occurring with Buddha, Krishna, Muhammad, etc.
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The NDE and Religion
Kevin Williams Research Conclusions


Many near-death accounts reveal that the religions of this world are merely an external path whose ideal is to lead people inward toward true spirituality. People often confuse religion with spirituality. Religion is the outward form of worship and spirituality is the inward form of worship. People who have a near-death experience often return less religious and more spiritual.

1. A Brief Summary
An example of the spiritual change that often takes place in near-death experiencers can be found Tom Harpur's excellent documentary entitled Life After Death. In it, he profiles a minister named Ken Martin who had a near-death experience. Upon his return from his experience, he discovered that everything he had previously known - his ministry, his calling, everything - was insignificant in comparison to his experience with the afterlife.
Heaven is not about religious beliefs, but about spiritual actions. It is not true, as some people believe, that we get to heaven by giving verbal assent to belief in God. It is love, not religious doctrines, that creates spiritual growth. Religions are cultural institutions but love is universal. Those religions which claim superiority over other religions or exclude people for various reasons, go against God's law to love others as we love ourselves. Although religion, in itself, is not important to God, all religions are necessary because there are people who need what they teach. For this reason, all religions are precious in the sight of God. All religions refer to the same God. All religions are different ways of trying to describe the same God. After death, if you insist upon searching for an old man on a throne as God, you will do this for awhile until you get the idea that you are following an illusion.
more:
[link to www.near-death.com]
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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Mclinking, easier to discuss when face-to-face, as this way too much will be left out. Considering you told Abhie "Your words mean nothing to me" says a response won't change anything for you. You have made up your mind.

Don't know the laws in France, but sounds similar to problems I had with my mother's doctors. No, I'm not comparing what you have with my mother, just saying I can understand the anger. Mom had Vascular Dementia, Alz, and Parkinson's, which destroys our brains slowly. Another name for Alz is the Walking Death, which is a good description. Because of a surgery years earlier, her spinal column was curved and twisted. She fell, which shattered a bone in her leg. Surgery connected it back together, but no one thought to compensate for her shorter leg. When my step-father passed 4 yr later, we moved mom cross country to live with us. The doctor I found for her, eventually gave me a pamphlet on pain management instead of helping her. Meditation, Tai Chi, etc., which helps people that can remember and stay focused. Basically that told me his hands were tied, because he was fully aware of her mental condition at the time. Then I don't know if he would have given a script even if his hands weren't tied by human laws. When mom's mind was close to disappearing altogether, I asked for Hospice to step in. I had medical powers for her, but was my request was refused, and looked at like I wanted to murder her instead. When the nurses decided it was time to call in hospice, I was angry they'd waited so long. I was given surgical options by her doctor, EVEN after I chose hospice. This was a good doctor in the beginning, open to the idea of alternative, but he started changing as mom's condition progressed. He'd went from quality of life, to striving for quantity and trying to keep a shell alive. When the hospice nurse removed most of the meds she and I agreed on, mom lasted a week. Thankfully her body wasn't in pain during that time. I know none of that makes a difference for you, or anyone else, and I'm not looking for sympathy either. Stark realities all of us face, sometimes harsher than others, and everyone has their personal issues and emotional stages to deal with. Some are able to come to terms with it, while others remain bitter, and all of the in-between. I take it hospice isn't available in France for those that are terminal. It is not assisted suicide, but they are allowed to give pain medications some doctors tend to shy away from. Allowing for a more natural process to proceed and making their patient as comfortable as possible.

It depends upon your perspective as to what God is and does. From what you've written, it sounds like your view is judgemental, not merciful, along that line of thought. From a metaphysical view, and some of the older sacred writings, God allows and does not intercede. In short form, this is what I believe. God is always present. We are the ones that do the disconnect, even though we are always connected. There is no judgement, we judge ourselves from the soul standpoint. We critique ourself. Before we come into experience this physical life, our soul makes agreements, a contract. Along the way, there will be linear-time points we have to meet, and choices of how we meet them. More than likely, that agreement includes how long we will stay on this plane of existence. Therefore, our soul has chosen when and the way we exit this plane. Some end up lingering, various reasons, but maybe feel they have not completed. Talking with them softly helps. Plus sometimes medical science can keep the body alive after the important part of us has left, while it kills others. Our Soul's agreement Knowing, could easily have set that into place. The choice is ours in how we choose to believe. Personally, I'm not trying to change what you believe. We are the ones in charge of changing our beliefs. No one else can do that unless that person is open to, or leaning towards it already. Yes, talk is cheap, but the choice is still yours.

Humans created the devil and satan. Thoughtforms, and humans feed them everyday, have for thousands of years. They exist in the lower realms which was included. Then you could care less about the different realms, so why bother to comment. There is an older Gnostic text about Aeon Sophia. Those nasty little Archon critters are spoken about.
. [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Yes, talk is cheap, and living can be a real bitch. Usually after that comes, then we die. Just remember the choice of perspective is still yours. Hold onto what you have or look within. For you, I pray your release from pain and misery arrives soon, but in the way it is most beneficial for you.

Terrific, I have an incoming call from someone that is the verge of.
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You have a very narrow mind to imagine I have a narrow mind. My mind could change at any time, am open to change, but at the moment, my perspective is based on what I see to others, not just myself.
Both my parents were spiritualists and had regular contact with world famous mediums. I have heard their stories, some extraordinary, but am today extremely sceptical as to what the medium actually picked up.
Today, there is a thread on this site called : "Atheist sees Hell", refers to a Youtube video written from a Christian perspective. Oh dear. Here, it is a crime NOT to have a belief. There are many atheists in the past who were wonderful characters, like Thomas Paine, a man who strove to lighten the burden of man encumbered with mumbo-jumbo. I recognise truth when I read it or it, don't dispute anything Jesus said, but would argue against a lot of the crap in the Gospels written hundreds of years after Jesus or whoever after he died.
I look inside me and find nothing of any significance. I have read all the great philosophers and see Socrates as the wisest of the lot who modestly admitted "Yes, I am the wiest of men because I know I KNOW NOTHING". He wasn't out to make a fast buck, didn't feel compelled to 'change the world' or change the minds of others.
You see miracles and you believe. I see horrors and I believe otherwise. You remember the sad case of Teri, the girl was declared brain-dead from some traffic accident and her parents consented to have her life terminated? Not by lethal injection (only reserved for murderers), but merely have her deprived of food and water. The priest said he said he had never witnessed such horror and the poor girl took 25 days to die.
Now YOU watch that and see how YOUR prespective changes.
Finally, both my parents and uncle died in the UK, not France.
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You can't even exhaustively account for what is "happening" right now as we are alive. What is "situation" itself? What is this? Where are you? Where is "location"?

WTF is going on?
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Mclinking, easier to discuss when face-to-face, as this way too much will be left out. Considering you told Abhie "Your words mean nothing to me" says a response won't change anything for you. You have made up your mind.

Don't know the laws in France, but sounds similar to problems I had with my mother's doctors. No, I'm not comparing what you have with my mother, just saying I can understand the anger. Mom had Vascular Dementia, Alz, and Parkinson's, which destroys our brains slowly. Another name for Alz is the Walking Death, which is a good description. Because of a surgery years earlier, her spinal column was curved and twisted. She fell, which shattered a bone in her leg. Surgery connected it back together, but no one thought to compensate for her shorter leg. When my step-father passed 4 yr later, we moved mom cross country to live with us. The doctor I found for her, eventually gave me a pamphlet on pain management instead of helping her. Meditation, Tai Chi, etc., which helps people that can remember and stay focused. Basically that told me his hands were tied, because he was fully aware of her mental condition at the time. Then I don't know if he would have given a script even if his hands weren't tied by human laws. When mom's mind was close to disappearing altogether, I asked for Hospice to step in. I had medical powers for her, but was my request was refused, and looked at like I wanted to murder her instead. When the nurses decided it was time to call in hospice, I was angry they'd waited so long. I was given surgical options by her doctor, EVEN after I chose hospice. This was a good doctor in the beginning, open to the idea of alternative, but he started changing as mom's condition progressed. He'd went from quality of life, to striving for quantity and trying to keep a shell alive. When the hospice nurse removed most of the meds she and I agreed on, mom lasted a week. Thankfully her body wasn't in pain during that time. I know none of that makes a difference for you, or anyone else, and I'm not looking for sympathy either. Stark realities all of us face, sometimes harsher than others, and everyone has their personal issues and emotional stages to deal with. Some are able to come to terms with it, while others remain bitter, and all of the in-between. I take it hospice isn't available in France for those that are terminal. It is not assisted suicide, but they are allowed to give pain medications some doctors tend to shy away from. Allowing for a more natural process to proceed and making their patient as comfortable as possible.

It depends upon your perspective as to what God is and does. From what you've written, it sounds like your view is judgemental, not merciful, along that line of thought. From a metaphysical view, and some of the older sacred writings, God allows and does not intercede. In short form, this is what I believe. God is always present. We are the ones that do the disconnect, even though we are always connected. There is no judgement, we judge ourselves from the soul standpoint. We critique ourself. Before we come into experience this physical life, our soul makes agreements, a contract. Along the way, there will be linear-time points we have to meet, and choices of how we meet them. More than likely, that agreement includes how long we will stay on this plane of existence. Therefore, our soul has chosen when and the way we exit this plane. Some end up lingering, various reasons, but maybe feel they have not completed. Talking with them softly helps. Plus sometimes medical science can keep the body alive after the important part of us has left, while it kills others. Our Soul's agreement Knowing, could easily have set that into place. The choice is ours in how we choose to believe. Personally, I'm not trying to change what you believe. We are the ones in charge of changing our beliefs. No one else can do that unless that person is open to, or leaning towards it already. Yes, talk is cheap, but the choice is still yours.

Humans created the devil and satan. Thoughtforms, and humans feed them everyday, have for thousands of years. They exist in the lower realms which was included. Then you could care less about the different realms, so why bother to comment. There is an older Gnostic text about Aeon Sophia. Those nasty little Archon critters are spoken about.
. [link to www.bibliotecapleyades.net]

Yes, talk is cheap, and living can be a real bitch. Usually after that comes, then we die. Just remember the choice of perspective is still yours. Hold onto what you have or look within. For you, I pray your release from pain and misery arrives soon, but in the way it is most beneficial for you.

Terrific, I have an incoming call from someone that is the verge of.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18021299

You have a very narrow mind to imagine I have a narrow mind. My mind could change at any time, am open to change, but at the moment, my perspective is based on what I see to others, not just myself.
Both my parents were spiritualists and had regular contact with world famous mediums. I have heard their stories, some extraordinary, but am today extremely sceptical as to what the medium actually picked up.
Today, there is a thread on this site called : "Atheist sees Hell", refers to a Youtube video written from a Christian perspective. Oh dear. Here, it is a crime NOT to have a belief. There are many atheists in the past who were wonderful characters, like Thomas Paine, a man who strove to lighten the burden of man encumbered with mumbo-jumbo. I recognise truth when I read it or it, don't dispute anything Jesus said, but would argue against a lot of the crap in the Gospels written hundreds of years after Jesus or whoever after he died.
I look inside me and find nothing of any significance. I have read all the great philosophers and see Socrates as the wisest of the lot who modestly admitted "Yes, I am the wiest of men because I know I KNOW NOTHING". He wasn't out to make a fast buck, didn't feel compelled to 'change the world' or change the minds of others.
You see miracles and you believe. I see horrors and I believe otherwise. You remember the sad case of Teri, the girl was declared brain-dead from some traffic accident and her parents consented to have her life terminated? Not by lethal injection (only reserved for murderers), but merely have her deprived of food and water. The priest said he said he had never witnessed such horror and the poor girl took 25 days to die.
Now YOU watch that and see how YOUR prespective changes.
Finally, both my parents and uncle died in the UK, not France.
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'K, so I blew it in my simplified response. Maybe was a fool to respond, but I did. I refuse to get into an emotionally charged shouting match with you. My eyes are open when I look around, so yes I see a full range from people bubbling with joy to others struggling daily. Quite often the struggles outweigh those exuding joy. I help where I'm able to. There are injustices, was never promised it would be otherwise.

Terri Shivo's husband made the decision. Her parents were devastated the courts sided with him to remove her life support. No vehicles were involved since she was home when she collapsed. Just one link, even though many are still available.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
No, the Shivo case did/does not change my perspective of what I choose. I've had something similar happen in my life, which I won't go into here. I didn't have to make the decision, because of the way things happened more than 30 yr ago. If time and laws had allowed for that decision, it would have been discussed between my husband and I.
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Re: What Happens After You Die: THE Geography of the AFTERLIFE & The LAWS of SPIRITUALITY: Authored From the OHTER SIDE!!
Missed adding I've reviewed what happened more than 30 yr ago, over and over again, until I arrived to where I'm at today. Each is an individual case, surrounded by tremendous emotional ranges. I will not, nor cannot judge a decision another makes. There were many "things" that happened during that time period, so a large portion of it involved the "other side" for me. I had a rough time accepting what I was shown.
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03/07/2013 12:24 AM
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Re: What Happens After You Die: THE Geography of the AFTERLIFE & The LAWS of SPIRITUALITY: Authored From the OHTER SIDE!!
Abhie! I am linking your EXCELLENT THREAD, here, to
the one that I am running on "Prometheus" -- as we
are getting into some of the "starmaps" from the
Wayne Hershel video.
Did you know that in that video (which you gave me
thank you 1,000,000!) there is a starmap
including various wormholes/star portals etc.
that the person who interpretted the "Gold Plate"
believes may have been the original "path" for the
Creator Engineers...(which may actually be
a copy or similar to the "Holy Grail"--oh no!@ NOT
THE HOLY GRAIL AGAIN! lol!) WOW! I am just blown away!

The Gold Plate/Holy Grail appears at about the
1:40 min mark in the video
--
following right after that is a pretty
clear diagram showing the whole "PATH OF THE GODS"
from the Pleades Star System--to the EARTH
(You'll find it interesting Abhie that the "Creators Sun" is located at a 23.7 degree angle from the last star in the
Pleades cluster--Hmmmm...sound familiar?).

It is also identified as being an IDENTICAL MATCH to the configuration found on MARS SHOWING THE SAME STAR MAP as in the video!! Geeze! The Calydonia grouping was built
17,000 years ago (they can estimate that with Stelarium
programs!)
Anyways...I have a request for you on page 5 for a
screen capture and a possible diagram that we can use
if you have the time and desire!
Here is the thread on GLP in case you didn't bookmark it!
[link to www.youtube.com]
v=g1K8IV9PzUI&feature=player_detailpage#t=46s
Thanks Abhie!
Cheers!
SK

UHOHmeteorite
abhie (OP)

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03/07/2013 01:39 AM

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Re: What Happens After You Die: THE Geography of the AFTERLIFE & The LAWS of SPIRITUALITY: Authored From the OHTER SIDE!!
Abhie! I am linking your EXCELLENT THREAD, here, to
the one that I am running on "Prometheus" -- as we
are getting into some of the "starmaps" from the
Wayne Hershel video.
Did you know that in that video (which you gave me
thank you 1,000,000!) there is a starmap
including various wormholes/star portals etc.
that the person who interpretted the "Gold Plate"
believes may have been the original "path" for the
Creator Engineers...(which may actually be
a copy or similar to the "Holy Grail"--oh no!@ NOT
THE HOLY GRAIL AGAIN! lol!) WOW! I am just blown away!

The Gold Plate/Holy Grail appears at about the
1:40 min mark in the video
--
following right after that is a pretty
clear diagram showing the whole "PATH OF THE GODS"
from the Pleades Star System--to the EARTH
(You'll find it interesting Abhie that the "Creators Sun" is located at a 23.7 degree angle from the last star in the
Pleades cluster--Hmmmm...sound familiar?).

It is also identified as being an IDENTICAL MATCH to the configuration found on MARS SHOWING THE SAME STAR MAP as in the video!! Geeze! The Calydonia grouping was built
17,000 years ago (they can estimate that with Stelarium
programs!)
Anyways...I have a request for you on page 5 for a
screen capture and a possible diagram that we can use
if you have the time and desire!
Here is the thread on GLP in case you didn't bookmark it!
[link to www.youtube.com]
v=g1K8IV9PzUI&feature=player_detailpage#t=46s
Thanks Abhie!
Cheers!
SK

UHOHmeteorite
 Quoting: SilentlyKnowing


Very interesting SK.
Am reading the Prometheus thread.
cheers
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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03/07/2013 06:23 AM
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But what about mental illness (in regards to suicide)?
I didn't read comments, so forgive me if this question have already been answered.
abhie (OP)

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03/07/2013 08:43 AM

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But what about mental illness (in regards to suicide)?
I didn't read comments, so forgive me if this question have already been answered.
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If you commit suicide owing to mental illness, and if you were not fully aware of what you were doing, then probably your spirit is forgiven. But if you were completely aware of your actions, then you are demoted.
(I'm male, mid-40's, and live and work in India as a designer. Writing is a passion of mine, as is painting. My avatar represents my protagonist against the Illuminati -a female warrior.)
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