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The Messiah Complex and Jerusalem Syndrome

 
Azeratel Axo

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What if? circa 2000 years ago that carpenters son was actually suffering from the messiah complex.
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if that was truth perhaps we'd need another name for the complex.
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Schizophrenia, perhaps?

hmmm
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If Christians going there are a 'clear and present danger' how about the ones who have the same syndrome that when in Jerusalem they are transported back to the time when Moses dropped them off there. (with all the persecutions intact)
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Moses never went to Jerusalem.
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Hi Septenary man you have a fine brain on you may I say.

Back in 91 I had an intense personal experience with God. It sent a shiver down my spine like never before. There is no point in saying what it was because it was meant for me at that particular time and would be diluted to water if I were to say what it was. That was God being subtle. At that time I was experiencing major depression but heck its all a learning curve I guess.
Anyway for the next 3 Good Fridays a red mark appeared on the back of both of my hands and disappeared a couple of days later.
And no I am not a messiah, I think of myself as a spiritual peasant who despises material things to a certain extent.
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Septenary you are right and wrong.
To start with, the ´second´coming is not the second coming; there have been many ´comings´ in full soul and partial soul form. The last partial soul, the spiritual soul, I believe was Sai Baba.
When He returns ´officially´ He will not be called Jesus. ´Jesus´ was a ´one off´ like Adam, Moses, Noah, King Solomon etc, BUT He will be ´HIS´son.
Another point is that He will not try and convince anyone. That is not His job. He knows who He is so why does He need for anyone to create an ego for Him?
The ONLY reason for letting people be aware of who He is, is that then the people He is in contact with, will then realise ´their´ importance and mission.
I will say again and again. If the ´nobody´ does not give full details of who he is then he cannot be the one; because obviously he has some fear.
The óne´ does not have competition with anyone and is willing to work with all.
´HE´, the ALMIGHTY LORD CREATOR, will be the one to inform HIS children and NO ONE ELSE!!!
Believe in ´HIM´as ´HE´believes in you
Bless you
Stephen
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We are all partial correct, as no one has all the answers, we just make our best educated guesses. ;)

I have a different take on that myself. I see us all as having the spirit within and it's those that recognize and explore this, are those that stand as great people. There are other reasons then fear why one may not come forward. Keeping it less about him and more about everyone else would be one reason.

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When is a true Messiah NOT insane?
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Why is having a messiah complex bad?

Anyone who exhibits those characteristics eventually get over it and are probably better people for having gone thru the experience...some take moments, some take days, and some may take a whole lifetime while others never quite get to loving themselves enough to even go thru that stage...

So... 1dunno1 Not seein' how it's such a bad thing...
Unless you count the religious programming that brought it all about and fucked with what is essentially a natural process that humans go thru emotionally in a life span.


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Then I'd be like, ya this shit's fucked yo.
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for the record though and correct me if im wrong , where did jesus ever say he was gods only son/child.
its been in the back of my mind for quite a while
i guess i can see where your coming from tough , with all the would be messiahs, "nobodies" or assorted mythological title claiming persons on this site
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35378583


It was the church officials & emperors who sought to portray Jesus as the one and only 'God' and thus to create separation and deny the masses from acknowledging their own divine origins & spiritual nature. By creating this separation or illusion, those who held power sought to create an environment where the uninformed masses would exhibit blind trust and complete obedience to the church doctrine (and thus the ruling parties) who conveniently presented themselves as the intermediary between the physical flesh and the divine.

No true spiritual leader/guru/master would ever tell you that he/she was more important or more special than any other soul and if you ever come across one who says or implies such a thing, you can be certain that he/she is a charlatan and/or being led by his/her ego an thus deceived and not to be looked upon for guidance or inspiration.
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


That is how I understand it as well, Anhedonic. Good post.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Agreed, it was a very truthful post Anhedonic...

SS, for as long as we have known of each others existence I will have to say this about you, you have been holding your tongue quite well as of late. I am thankful to see the power you are showing over it,well done my friend

Yes you are correct,

it means I have been watching your progression and what you can see within you and I wondered sometimes whether or not you were aware that if we are here posting, could there possibly be children also posting here and the answer is yes

My Love to you my dear friend, steel sharpens steel but a stone smashed against its edge can only dull it

MJ
 Quoting: gd2balive


Hey Marty! Sorry I took a while to respond. Driving home from work.

Yes, I have been holding my tongue. To be honest, I had an experience with someone that I 'despised' that ended up teaching me one of my most valuable lessons. So, it's not even really holding my tongue anymore...it's just not there, that 'combativeness' that used to be.

Always love your kind words.

Love back to you.
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Why is having a messiah complex bad?

Anyone who exhibits those characteristics eventually get over it and are probably better people for having gone thru the experience...some take moments, some take days, and some may take a whole lifetime while others never quite get to loving themselves enough to even go thru that stage...

So... 1dunno1 Not seein' how it's such a bad thing...
Unless you count the religious programming that brought it all about and fucked with what is essentially a natural process that humans go thru emotionally in a life span.


girl_bored_red

Then I'd be like, ya this shit's fucked yo.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna



I would actually go further than that, and say;

That to successfully "enlighten" oneself by any teachings, one by necessity needs to view him/herself as a "Messiah" in at least one respect.
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interesting,,

great thread ss,,

this one was guessing that you were the most likely nobody candidate,,

oh well,,

hang on,,

this is perhaps a denial conspiracry,,


are you sure good sir?,, that you are not the nobody?,,

simply dwelling in denial,, purely for humble gain,,

hmmmm,,

can you proove you are not?,,

hmmm,,

lol,,


much love,,
 Quoting: nobody 35381059


lmao

The beauty of it all, is that it doesn't matter who is 'the One', if there is a 'One' at this place in time.

We are all on our own journeys, and if there is someone out there changing things for the better, he/she is merely following his/her own journey...just as all of us here are.

Humbleness...I have found a great, great reward in the depths of humility and patience that far outstrip what anything else can offer. This goes back to my response to Marty as well.

BTW, aren't we all dwelling in denial of what we truly are?

And, I don't need to prove I'm not. 1rof1

much love,,
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Septenary will be a VERY revered ELDER.
hf
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If Christians going there are a 'clear and present danger' how about the ones who have the same syndrome that when in Jerusalem they are transported back to the time when Moses dropped them off there. (with all the persecutions intact)
 Quoting: MHz


Moses never went to Jerusalem.
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I realize that but the promised land was in sight and it was when they still listened to the Prophets God sent them so that is why the name was used. I didn't think going into the 40 years they spent in Jordan mattered either so I also left it out.
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Why is having a messiah complex bad?

Anyone who exhibits those characteristics eventually get over it and are probably better people for having gone thru the experience...some take moments, some take days, and some may take a whole lifetime while others never quite get to loving themselves enough to even go thru that stage...

So... 1dunno1 Not seein' how it's such a bad thing...
Unless you count the religious programming that brought it all about and fucked with what is essentially a natural process that humans go thru emotionally in a life span.


girl_bored_red

Then I'd be like, ya this shit's fucked yo.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna


Well, it can be both a good and bad thing. If it tears your family away, or influences others to harm others, etc. Bad thing. If it helps improve yourself in a positive manner, that doesn't intrude upon the free will of others, etc....blah blah, then it can be a positive thing.

Here on GLP, as we have seen, people immediately associate it with the negative aspects, for the most part. But, I think we are seeing repetitiveness and negativity in many of the aspects here on GLP, so people tend to bend toward the negative aspects of it.
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Why is having a messiah complex bad?

Anyone who exhibits those characteristics eventually get over it and are probably better people for having gone thru the experience...some take moments, some take days, and some may take a whole lifetime while others never quite get to loving themselves enough to even go thru that stage...

So... 1dunno1 Not seein' how it's such a bad thing...
Unless you count the religious programming that brought it all about and fucked with what is essentially a natural process that humans go thru emotionally in a life span.


girl_bored_red

Then I'd be like, ya this shit's fucked yo.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna



I would actually go further than that, and say;

That to successfully "enlighten" oneself by any teachings, one by necessity needs to view him/herself as a "Messiah" in at least one respect.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


If you think about and you were a deity how would you go about saving the world from itself. With one person or a great many playing different roles. One messiah here, another messiah there, a messiah everywhere. Each playing their role and no role is to small.
Through will of thought we control our emotions and thoughts are often no more difficult to control then we make them to be.
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I often wonder if I have a 'Messiah Complex'.

What do you think?

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hmm
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Why is having a messiah complex bad?

Anyone who exhibits those characteristics eventually get over it and are probably better people for having gone thru the experience...some take moments, some take days, and some may take a whole lifetime while others never quite get to loving themselves enough to even go thru that stage...

So... 1dunno1 Not seein' how it's such a bad thing...
Unless you count the religious programming that brought it all about and fucked with what is essentially a natural process that humans go thru emotionally in a life span.


girl_bored_red

Then I'd be like, ya this shit's fucked yo.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna



I would actually go further than that, and say;

That to successfully "enlighten" oneself by any teachings, one by necessity needs to view him/herself as a "Messiah" in at least one respect.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


If you think about and you were a deity how would you go about saving the world from itself. With one person or a great many playing different roles. One messiah here, another messiah there, a messiah everywhere. Each playing their role and no role is to small.
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It's rather like herding cats.
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hey ss,,

it is a fine german beer night!,,

as you were likely aware,, this one was jesting indeed,,

probably due too missing dions appreciated input,, (and schnitzels),,

the only mental complexes,, this one may possess,, are very simular too your own,,

as gnarls barclays perfectly sung,, possibly knowing too much,,

mmm beer,,

cheers,,

much love,,

much love,,
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Hi Septenary man you have a fine brain on you may I say.

Back in 91 I had an intense personal experience with God. It sent a shiver down my spine like never before. There is no point in saying what it was because it was meant for me at that particular time and would be diluted to water if I were to say what it was. That was God being subtle. At that time I was experiencing major depression but heck its all a learning curve I guess.
Anyway for the next 3 Good Fridays a red mark appeared on the back of both of my hands and disappeared a couple of days later.
And no I am not a messiah, I think of myself as a spiritual peasant who despises material things to a certain extent.
 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283


Many of us have experienced similar things, though totally different as each person's experience is unique unto themselves. But yeah, those are life altering experiences that some of us are fortunate to have.

A while back, I was trying to think of what 'reality' really is. You see, I have lucid dreams/visions/impossible experiences, etc.

I determined that reality is whatever effects/changes you. If I have a dream, and it changes the way I live my life, then who can possibly say that dream wasn't real to me. At this point though, we are getting a little deeper than I planned for this thread.

Most of us here on GLP understand that reality is not merely what is sensed through the 5 senses. Reality comprises of...well, much more than what we can physically sense. Western ideologies have tried to strip that away for the most part, except for within the constraints of religion.

As we can see, that has been changing in these recent generations. Someday it will be seen that this material world is merely a shadow of what is truly 'real'. A brief excursion along a long, long journey.
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hey ss,,

it is a fine german beer night!,,

as you were likely aware,, this one was jesting indeed,,

probably due too missing dions appreciated input,, (and schnitzels),,

the only mental complexes,, this one may possess,, are very simular too your own,,

as gnarls barclays perfectly sung,, possibly knowing too much,,

mmm beer,,

cheers,,

much love,,

much love,,
 Quoting: nobody 35381059


mmm beer. I miss him too.

cheers
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Hi Septenary man you have a fine brain on you may I say.

Back in 91 I had an intense personal experience with God. It sent a shiver down my spine like never before. There is no point in saying what it was because it was meant for me at that particular time and would be diluted to water if I were to say what it was. That was God being subtle. At that time I was experiencing major depression but heck its all a learning curve I guess.
Anyway for the next 3 Good Fridays a red mark appeared on the back of both of my hands and disappeared a couple of days later.
And no I am not a messiah, I think of myself as a spiritual peasant who despises material things to a certain extent.
 Quoting: morphic oceans 25960283


Many of us have experienced similar things, though totally different as each person's experience is unique unto themselves. But yeah, those are life altering experiences that some of us are fortunate to have.

A while back, I was trying to think of what 'reality' really is. You see, I have lucid dreams/visions/impossible experiences, etc.

I determined that reality is whatever effects/changes you. If I have a dream, and it changes the way I live my life, then who can possibly say that dream wasn't real to me. At this point though, we are getting a little deeper than I planned for this thread.

Most of us here on GLP understand that reality is not merely what is sensed through the 5 senses. Reality comprises of...well, much more than what we can physically sense. Western ideologies have tried to strip that away for the most part, except for within the constraints of religion.

As we can see, that has been changing in these recent generations. Someday it will be seen that this material world is merely a shadow of what is truly 'real'. A brief excursion along a long, long journey.
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Agreed.
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miss which ?,, beer or dion?,,

lol,,

if the latter,, fine,,

if not,, help phi heard cats whilst reciting the serenity prayer,,


much love,,
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hey ss,,

it is a fine german beer night!,,

as you were likely aware,, this one was jesting indeed,,

probably due too missing dions appreciated input,, (and schnitzels),,

the only mental complexes,, this one may possess,, are very simular too your own,,

as gnarls barclays perfectly sung,, possibly knowing too much,,

mmm beer,,

cheers,,

much love,,

much love,,
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Look for some Franziskaner Hefeweiss, it has a monk on the label!

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I would like to add my view point on this, if I may. It might help give perspective to some that might want to climb down from their high chair.

It's ego inflation, another trick to keep yourself preoccupied from realizing who you really are. I find an easy answer to all of this. Ego doesn't exist. Meaning our personality is as real as a telephone number. But we take it for real and try to make it lift weight. A made up convention like a telephone number can't lift weight. So all my struggles to make my personality mean anything and amount to anything was futile like chasing my own tail.

So any practice which you embark on with the motivation that it will turn you better is chasing your own tail. I abandoned all practices for a while and simply lived with that realization. Now if I meditate, it's because it's fun without any other purpose.
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Here's the way I see it.

Anyone who believes they are a 'God' or a 'Messiah', and subsequently determines it to be a blessing, is clearly delusional.

It sort of begs the question of 'potency'.

A human is a human is a human, regardless of whether they speak the Word of God.
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Why is having a messiah complex bad?

Anyone who exhibits those characteristics eventually get over it and are probably better people for having gone thru the experience...some take moments, some take days, and some may take a whole lifetime while others never quite get to loving themselves enough to even go thru that stage...

So... 1dunno1 Not seein' how it's such a bad thing...
Unless you count the religious programming that brought it all about and fucked with what is essentially a natural process that humans go thru emotionally in a life span.


girl_bored_red

Then I'd be like, ya this shit's fucked yo.
 Quoting: ArunaLuna



I would actually go further than that, and say;

That to successfully "enlighten" oneself by any teachings, one by necessity needs to view him/herself as a "Messiah" in at least one respect.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


If you think about and you were a deity how would you go about saving the world from itself. With one person or a great many playing different roles. One messiah here, another messiah there, a messiah everywhere. Each playing their role and no role is to small.
 Quoting: Coma Patient #7


It's rather like herding cats.
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lol, the mental imagery is priceless. It sounds like a difficult job.
Through will of thought we control our emotions and thoughts are often no more difficult to control then we make them to be.
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No doubt this is pinned!

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lol,,@ andaholic,,

with that beer one could drink like a monkfish,,

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hey billy,, good to read you,,

hope your well,,

much love,,
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I would actually go further than that, and say;

That to successfully "enlighten" oneself by any teachings, one by necessity needs to view him/herself as a "Messiah" in at least one respect.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo


If you think about and you were a deity how would you go about saving the world from itself. With one person or a great many playing different roles. One messiah here, another messiah there, a messiah everywhere. Each playing their role and no role is to small.
 Quoting: Coma Patient #7


It's rather like herding cats.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo

lol, the mental imagery is priceless. It sounds like a difficult job.
 Quoting: Coma Patient #7


lmao

It gets easier if you decide beforehand that you are the prey. lol
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lol,,@ andaholic,,

with that beer one could drink like a monkfish,,

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hey billy,, good to read you,,

hope your well,,

much love,,
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I hope all is well with you too nobody, you always have a way with words

Blessings
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If you think about and you were a deity how would you go about saving the world from itself. With one person or a great many playing different roles. One messiah here, another messiah there, a messiah everywhere. Each playing their role and no role is to small.
 Quoting: Coma Patient #7


It's rather like herding cats.
 Quoting: Azeratel Axo

lol, the mental imagery is priceless. It sounds like a difficult job.
 Quoting: Coma Patient #7


lmao

It gets easier if you decide beforehand that you are the prey. lol
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