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Revelation 17 Describes The RCC To A T!!

 
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Revelation 17:1

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

This article is very long so I'll post a few snippets.

Her clothing:

Her clothing identifies her with Rome (v. 4). “…arrayed in purple and scarlet colour…” The Apostles and Christians of the early churches were humble Bible-believers who lived simple lives and did not follow the pattern of the world’s leaders and religions. The harlot church, on the other hand, loves impressive cathedrals, flowing robes, gorgeous ritualism, expensive ecclesiastical clothing and trappings. Rev. 17:4 describes exactly how Rome’s bishops and archbishops and cardinals and popes are clothed even to this day.


a. A few years ago, I watched a televised broadcast of the papal Christmas mass at the Vatican, and it looked like a sea of purple and scarlet!

b. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes the garments of the Catholic clergy. One is called the Cappa Magna, a cloak with a long train with a hooded shoulder cape. The color of it was purple wool for bishops, scarlet silk for cardinals, and red velvet for the pope. The Cassock was a close-fitting, ankle-length robe. The color was purple for bishops and scarlet for cardinals.

Her wealth:

Her wealth identifies her with Rome (v. 4). “... decked with gold and precious stones and pearls...” This is an accurate description of the wealth of the Catholic Church. It also describes literally the gold and jewels with which Rome has decked herself.

a. Consider this description of the coronation of Pope Gregory IX (1227-1241): “On the day of his coronation he proceeded to St. Peter’s, accompanied by several prelates, and assumed the pallium according to custom; and after having said mass he marched to the palace of the Lateran, COVERED WITH GOLD AND JEWELS. On Monday, having said mass at St. Peter’s, he returned wearing two crowns, mounted on a horse richly caparisoned, and surrounded by Cardinals CLOTHED IN PURPLE, and a numerous clergy. The streets were spread with tapestry, INLAID WITH GOLD AND SILVER, the noblest productions of Egypt, and the most brilliant colors of India, and perfumed with various aromatic odors” (George Waddington, A History of the Church from the Earliest Ages to the Reformation, 1834, p. 335).

b. The crown of Pope Paul II (1464-1471) was “set with diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, chrysolites, and jaspers” (Ouseley, A Short Defence, 1821, p. 230).

c. The crown of Pope Julius II was valued at 200,000 ducats or gold coins. That is as much as Pope Paul III gave to Emperor Charles V to use in the war against the Protestants in the 16th century (Miller’s Church History, chapter 46). It is also the same amount as the dowry the king of Spain gave for the marriage of his daughter, Catherine, to Arthur, Prince of Wales and heir to the British throne in the 16th century. (When Arthur died five months after the wedding, Catherine became the wife of his brother, Henry, who became the infamous King Henry VIII.)

Her location:

Her location identifies her with Rome (v. 9). John pictures the great harlot sitting upon seven mountains, which most Protestants of old and fundamentalists of the present identify as the city of Rome. “The woman is a city, and the city is Rome, the religious capital of the world. ... Rome was the city set on seven hills and was known as such to both pagan and Christian writers. ... Ovid said, ‘Rome looks around on the whole globe from her seven mountains, the seat of empire and abode of the gods.’ ... She is religious Rome, which at that time will have inherited all the religions of the world. ... It will attain the goal of the present-day apostates of all the great systems of the world: Romanism, Protestantism, pagan religions, cults and isms” (J. Vernon McGee, Revelation).

Please read the entire article here:
[link to www.wayoflife.org]

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Her blasphemy identifies her with Rome (v. 3). “…full of names of blasphemy…” Rome is indeed full of blasphemy, having exalted herself to the place of God in people’s lives.

a. The titles of Rome’s popes are blasphemous. He calls himself the “holy father” and “his holiness,” names that belong solely to Almighty God. He calls himself the “vicar of Christ,” which is the office of the Holy Spirit.

b. Rome’s priests also take to themselves blasphemous titles and claims. They want to be called “father,” which Christ forbade. They are ordained after the order of Melchisedec, but this is an office that belongs to Christ alone.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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"Purple and scarlet" equals bishops and cardinals. While some other denominations have bishops, I only know of one that has cardinals.
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You'll get no argument out of ME over these points!

While I'm not catholic and never have been, I have a friend who "escaped" their travesty, and she claims she totally believes RCC IS the Anti-Christ. Talk about "imposters!"
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"Purple and scarlet" equals bishops and cardinals. While some other denominations have bishops, I only know of one that has cardinals.
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Yep
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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You'll get no argument out of ME over these points!

While I'm not catholic and never have been, I have a friend who "escaped" their travesty, and she claims she totally believes RCC IS the Anti-Christ. Talk about "imposters!"
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As a former catholic I'm gonna have to agree with your friend.
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op, because of your support of israel, i would like to ask you a question.

what do you think will happen to israel? i must say that almost every night i dream of a war taking place in israel, a really bad one.

i believe the rothschilds will achieve thier goal of using israel as a pawn to be destroyed and usher ww3
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op, because of your support of israel, i would like to ask you a question.

what do you think will happen to israel? i must say that almost every night i dream of a war taking place in israel, a really bad one.

i believe the rothschilds will achieve thier goal of using israel as a pawn to be destroyed and usher ww3
 Quoting: DPS


I think we'll see SOME destruction of Israel but not completely. Israel will be fine.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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We are called to be BOLD. ~Joshua 1:9~
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how many days months years do you think we have left?

ive heard somewhere that a peace will be signed before, both in christian and judaic litreture.
perhams the obama visist has got something to do with this peace.
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Op, I implore you to look into the merchants of Tarshish, also look into the "Sea People" remember that prophecy is cyclical, that which has been is that which WILL BE.

I'll make it clear for you, look into the impact crater at Chichen Itza, it might be a bulls eye for the next round of the cycle.
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op, because of your support of israel, i would like to ask you a question.

what do you think will happen to israel? i must say that almost every night i dream of a war taking place in israel, a really bad one.

i believe the rothschilds will achieve thier goal of using israel as a pawn to be destroyed and usher ww3
 Quoting: DPS


I think we'll see SOME destruction of Israel but not completely. Israel will be fine.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Here is one for you, Miss Pretty ;-)
(posted on GLP before...my thanks to whomever posted it...)


TX....this is especially for you...
The roots of evil in Israel...from a Messianic Jew in Israel...
[link to www.thegoldenreport.com]
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Not to mention that the RCC has changed the Sabbath, fornication with all religions, killed true Christians, kept the KJV from their people, the opening has the blasphemous staff if "Jesus", the Pope sits on a throne with an upside down cross and forgives sins. You have to be on some magical voodoo, to see all this and still follow them. No Catholic can deny Revelation 17. It's too detailed.
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Not to mention that the RCC has changed the Sabbath, fornication with all religions, killed true Christians, kept the KJV from their people, the opening has the blasphemous staff if "Jesus", the Pope sits on a throne with an upside down cross and forgives sins. You have to be on some magical voodoo, to see all this and still follow them. No Catholic can deny Revelation 17. It's too detailed.
 Quoting: cmoG530


I guess everyone has their own idols.
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op, because of your support of israel, i would like to ask you a question.

what do you think will happen to israel? i must say that almost every night i dream of a war taking place in israel, a really bad one.

i believe the rothschilds will achieve thier goal of using israel as a pawn to be destroyed and usher ww3
 Quoting: DPS


I think we'll see SOME destruction of Israel but not completely. Israel will be fine.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Here is one for you, Miss Pretty ;-)
(posted on GLP before...my thanks to whomever posted it...)


TX....this is especially for you...
The roots of evil in Israel...from a Messianic Jew in Israel...
[link to www.thegoldenreport.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35096685


Missing video in quote above...
[link to www.youtube.com]
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how many days months years do you think we have left?

ive heard somewhere that a peace will be signed before, both in christian and judaic litreture.
perhams the obama visist has got something to do with this peace.
 Quoting: DPS


We have only 4-6 years left. Mark these words. The order is coming this year. And it's NOT a treaty, it's a COVENANT. People need to stop mixing that up. A covenant is an oath and last time I checked, someone made an oath to "many" and broke it. It's now the last half. What do I mean? History repeats itself. We had Hitler and Stalin. We had the days of Noah and Lot and now this generation that's repeating those times. Who are presidents supposed to swear to, to protect? Obama is now at his last term. Last FOUR years. Obama won't do it on his own. He'll have help from the false prophet and 2 Thessalonians Ch2.

Last Edited by cmoG530 on 03/01/2013 10:01 PM
1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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Not to mention that the RCC has changed the Sabbath, fornicated with all religions, killed true Christians, kept the KJV from their people, the Pope has the blasphemous staff of "Jesus" on a bent cross, the Pope sits on a throne with an upside down cross and forgives sins. You have to be on some magical voodoo, to see all this and still follow them. No Catholic can deny Revelation 17. It's too detailed.
 Quoting: cmoG530


Sorry for the double post.

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1 Timothy 3:16 KJV
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mark 16:16 KJV
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Acts 2:38 KJV
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Romans 8:6-9 KJV
6) For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7) Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8) So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9) But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 15:8-9 KJV
8) This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9) But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Acts 5:29 KJV
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

"The biggest sign from God, to let us all know that man can never be God? Death." - Anonymous
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how many days months years do you think we have left?

ive heard somewhere that a peace will be signed before, both in christian and judaic litreture.
perhams the obama visist has got something to do with this peace.
 Quoting: DPS


I really don't like playing with dates as know man knows the hour, however 2017 has always popped into my head.

Last Edited by TXGal4Truth on 03/01/2013 10:12 PM
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op, because of your support of israel, i would like to ask you a question.

what do you think will happen to israel? i must say that almost every night i dream of a war taking place in israel, a really bad one.

i believe the rothschilds will achieve thier goal of using israel as a pawn to be destroyed and usher ww3
 Quoting: DPS


I think we'll see SOME destruction of Israel but not completely. Israel will be fine.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Here is one for you, Miss Pretty ;-)
(posted on GLP before...my thanks to whomever posted it...)


TX....this is especially for you...
The roots of evil in Israel...from a Messianic Jew in Israel...
[link to www.thegoldenreport.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35096685


Evil exists in EVERY nation. It's pretty rampant in our own at the moment. This is about the RCC and revelation 17. :)
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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Former Catholic here, I recommend this series to all. Starting from the beginning is well worth the time.

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Revelation 17:1

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

This article is very long so I'll post a few snippets.

Her clothing:

Her clothing identifies her with Rome (v. 4). “…arrayed in purple and scarlet colour…” The Apostles and Christians of the early churches were humble Bible-believers who lived simple lives and did not follow the pattern of the world’s leaders and religions. The harlot church, on the other hand, loves impressive cathedrals, flowing robes, gorgeous ritualism, expensive ecclesiastical clothing and trappings. Rev. 17:4 describes exactly how Rome’s bishops and archbishops and cardinals and popes are clothed even to this day.


a. A few years ago, I watched a televised broadcast of the papal Christmas mass at the Vatican, and it looked like a sea of purple and scarlet!

b. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes the garments of the Catholic clergy. One is called the Cappa Magna, a cloak with a long train with a hooded shoulder cape. The color of it was purple wool for bishops, scarlet silk for cardinals, and red velvet for the pope. The Cassock was a close-fitting, ankle-length robe. The color was purple for bishops and scarlet for cardinals.

Her wealth:

Her wealth identifies her with Rome (v. 4). “... decked with gold and precious stones and pearls...” This is an accurate description of the wealth of the Catholic Church. It also describes literally the gold and jewels with which Rome has decked herself.

a. Consider this description of the coronation of Pope Gregory IX (1227-1241): “On the day of his coronation he proceeded to St. Peter’s, accompanied by several prelates, and assumed the pallium according to custom; and after having said mass he marched to the palace of the Lateran, COVERED WITH GOLD AND JEWELS. On Monday, having said mass at St. Peter’s, he returned wearing two crowns, mounted on a horse richly caparisoned, and surrounded by Cardinals CLOTHED IN PURPLE, and a numerous clergy. The streets were spread with tapestry, INLAID WITH GOLD AND SILVER, the noblest productions of Egypt, and the most brilliant colors of India, and perfumed with various aromatic odors” (George Waddington, A History of the Church from the Earliest Ages to the Reformation, 1834, p. 335).

b. The crown of Pope Paul II (1464-1471) was “set with diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, chrysolites, and jaspers” (Ouseley, A Short Defence, 1821, p. 230).

c. The crown of Pope Julius II was valued at 200,000 ducats or gold coins. That is as much as Pope Paul III gave to Emperor Charles V to use in the war against the Protestants in the 16th century (Miller’s Church History, chapter 46). It is also the same amount as the dowry the king of Spain gave for the marriage of his daughter, Catherine, to Arthur, Prince of Wales and heir to the British throne in the 16th century. (When Arthur died five months after the wedding, Catherine became the wife of his brother, Henry, who became the infamous King Henry VIII.)

Her location:

Her location identifies her with Rome (v. 9). John pictures the great harlot sitting upon seven mountains, which most Protestants of old and fundamentalists of the present identify as the city of Rome. “The woman is a city, and the city is Rome, the religious capital of the world. ... Rome was the city set on seven hills and was known as such to both pagan and Christian writers. ... Ovid said, ‘Rome looks around on the whole globe from her seven mountains, the seat of empire and abode of the gods.’ ... She is religious Rome, which at that time will have inherited all the religions of the world. ... It will attain the goal of the present-day apostates of all the great systems of the world: Romanism, Protestantism, pagan religions, cults and isms” (J. Vernon McGee, Revelation).

Please read the entire article here:
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 Quoting: TXGal4Truth

Although the RCC has many faults, its not Rome and the RCC.

Jerusalem is the city involved here. It sits on seven Hills. It is a Spiritual Queen as the temple Mount is there.
It, as opposed to Rome, has killed the Prophets sent to it.
Compare these verses:
Mat 23:34 `Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify, and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city;
Mat 23:35 that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar:

Mat 23:36 verily I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house;


Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman being drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And I marveled, seeing her, with a great marveling.
Saints refers to Old Testament Saints as opposed to, "the witnesses of Jesus", (Christians).

Since the RCC did not exist until decades later this is not who is being described.

Since when has Rome been burned down with fire, 10 times?

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns,(kings),which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.

Yet Jerusalem has been many times.
What Kings hate Rome? Yet most hate Jerusalem and the Jews.
There are to many proofs to list here but you get the idea.

So you can see the RCC does not fit here. I am not defending it or its actions. Just looking for Truth to prevail.
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Revelation 17:1

And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

This article is very long so I'll post a few snippets.

Her clothing:

Her clothing identifies her with Rome (v. 4). “…arrayed in purple and scarlet colour…” The Apostles and Christians of the early churches were humble Bible-believers who lived simple lives and did not follow the pattern of the world’s leaders and religions. The harlot church, on the other hand, loves impressive cathedrals, flowing robes, gorgeous ritualism, expensive ecclesiastical clothing and trappings. Rev. 17:4 describes exactly how Rome’s bishops and archbishops and cardinals and popes are clothed even to this day.


a. A few years ago, I watched a televised broadcast of the papal Christmas mass at the Vatican, and it looked like a sea of purple and scarlet!

b. The Catholic Encyclopedia describes the garments of the Catholic clergy. One is called the Cappa Magna, a cloak with a long train with a hooded shoulder cape. The color of it was purple wool for bishops, scarlet silk for cardinals, and red velvet for the pope. The Cassock was a close-fitting, ankle-length robe. The color was purple for bishops and scarlet for cardinals.

Her wealth:

Her wealth identifies her with Rome (v. 4). “... decked with gold and precious stones and pearls...” This is an accurate description of the wealth of the Catholic Church. It also describes literally the gold and jewels with which Rome has decked herself.

a. Consider this description of the coronation of Pope Gregory IX (1227-1241): “On the day of his coronation he proceeded to St. Peter’s, accompanied by several prelates, and assumed the pallium according to custom; and after having said mass he marched to the palace of the Lateran, COVERED WITH GOLD AND JEWELS. On Monday, having said mass at St. Peter’s, he returned wearing two crowns, mounted on a horse richly caparisoned, and surrounded by Cardinals CLOTHED IN PURPLE, and a numerous clergy. The streets were spread with tapestry, INLAID WITH GOLD AND SILVER, the noblest productions of Egypt, and the most brilliant colors of India, and perfumed with various aromatic odors” (George Waddington, A History of the Church from the Earliest Ages to the Reformation, 1834, p. 335).

b. The crown of Pope Paul II (1464-1471) was “set with diamonds, sapphires, emeralds, chrysolites, and jaspers” (Ouseley, A Short Defence, 1821, p. 230).

c. The crown of Pope Julius II was valued at 200,000 ducats or gold coins. That is as much as Pope Paul III gave to Emperor Charles V to use in the war against the Protestants in the 16th century (Miller’s Church History, chapter 46). It is also the same amount as the dowry the king of Spain gave for the marriage of his daughter, Catherine, to Arthur, Prince of Wales and heir to the British throne in the 16th century. (When Arthur died five months after the wedding, Catherine became the wife of his brother, Henry, who became the infamous King Henry VIII.)

Her location:

Her location identifies her with Rome (v. 9). John pictures the great harlot sitting upon seven mountains, which most Protestants of old and fundamentalists of the present identify as the city of Rome. “The woman is a city, and the city is Rome, the religious capital of the world. ... Rome was the city set on seven hills and was known as such to both pagan and Christian writers. ... Ovid said, ‘Rome looks around on the whole globe from her seven mountains, the seat of empire and abode of the gods.’ ... She is religious Rome, which at that time will have inherited all the religions of the world. ... It will attain the goal of the present-day apostates of all the great systems of the world: Romanism, Protestantism, pagan religions, cults and isms” (J. Vernon McGee, Revelation).

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 Quoting: TXGal4Truth

Although the RCC has many faults, its not Rome and the RCC.

Jerusalem is the city involved here. It sits on seven Hills. It is a Spiritual Queen as the temple Mount is there.
It, as opposed to Rome, has killed the Prophets sent to it.
Compare these verses:
Mat 23:34 `Because of this, lo, I send to you prophets, and wise men, and scribes, and of them ye will kill and crucify, and of them ye will scourge in your synagogues, and will pursue from city to city;
Mat 23:35 that on you may come all the righteous blood being poured out on the earth from the blood of Abel the righteous, unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the sanctuary and the altar:

Mat 23:36 verily I say to you, all these things shall come upon this generation.
Mat 23:37 `Jerusalem, Jerusalem, that art killing the prophets, and stoning those sent unto thee, how often did I will to gather thy children together, as a hen doth gather her own chickens under the wings, and ye did not will.
Mat 23:38 Lo, left desolate to you is your house;


Rev 17:6 And I saw the woman being drunk from the blood of the saints, and from the blood of the witnesses of Jesus. And I marveled, seeing her, with a great marveling.
Saints refers to Old Testament Saints as opposed to, "the witnesses of Jesus", (Christians).

Since the RCC did not exist until decades later this is not who is being described.

Since when has Rome been burned down with fire, 10 times?

Rev 17:16 And the ten horns,(kings),which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, and will make her desolated and naked. And they will eat her flesh, and will burn her down with fire.

Yet Jerusalem has been many times.
What Kings hate Rome? Yet most hate Jerusalem and the Jews.
There are to many proofs to list here but you get the idea.

So you can see the RCC does not fit here. I am not defending it or its actions. Just looking for Truth to prevail.
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We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. :)
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Rumors have it that allegedly its the statue of liberty

The colors :the American Flag
Thw waters: where she stands
Her riches :obvious
The hills mistranslation islands
she is holding what appears to be a cup
She represents a city.
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No, TX...you REALLY need to check out this video...
[link to www.youtube.com]

I am not saying watch the whole thing at once...it is 4 hours long, but, if that video does not prove your point that the RCC is depicted in Rev. 17....well, then I don't know what other proof could be offered :-)
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Next exercise: what is the beast? :) or where? :)
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No, TX...you REALLY need to check out this video...
[link to www.youtube.com]

I am not saying watch the whole thing at once...it is 4 hours long, but, if that video does not prove your point that the RCC is depicted in Rev. 17....well, then I don't know what other proof could be offered :-)
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The only "proof" is if it meets ALL the conditions of Scripture, not just "appears" to meet some of them!
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No, TX...you REALLY need to check out this video...
[link to www.youtube.com]

I am not saying watch the whole thing at once...it is 4 hours long, but, if that video does not prove your point that the RCC is depicted in Rev. 17....well, then I don't know what other proof could be offered :-)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35096685

The only "proof" is if it meets ALL the conditions of Scripture, not just "appears" to meet some of them!
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Please note in your post above...

Jesus was talking about the people of Jerusalem killing prophets...

The quote from Revelations is talking about killing saints...not prophets.

If you watch the video I pointed out...you should not have a doubt that the RCC is the description in Revelations 17.
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TXGal4Truth, could we have a quick lexicon pls?

whore of babylon
mystery babylon
false prophet
antichrist

i've heard or read many times the arguments for both the catholic church and the us as candidates for 'babylon' in some capacity

could you just give a brief overview thx
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bump
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Look at all the purple and scarlet on your avatar. Looks like propaganda on par with the Nazis. Just put a blonde wig on her and a swastika.
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Shabbat Shalom!

This may be of interest??

There will be 2 beast of stature, which that in itself creates a problem in the timelines as to what who and when.
Personally I have to think if Obummer is in Israel on the 20th and a peace deal is created and it will move forward then No.1 is in place, the POPE "new man on the scene" is No.2.

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