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US Secretary of State John Kerry criticized in Ankara Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's remarks describing Zionism as a crime against humanity, overshadowing a key visit originally expected to focus on Syria and bilateral interests from energy security to counterterrorism.

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The US secretary of state, John Kerry, will urge the Turkish prime minister to restore the country's "frozen" relationship with Israel on Friday, on his first trip to a Muslim nation since taking office.

The collapse of ties between the two countries have undermined US
hopes that Turkey could play a role as a broker in the broader region – Washington sees Turkey as the key player in supporting Syria's opposition and planning for the era after President Bashar al-Assad.

But the trip could be overshadowed by a row over comments made by the Turkish prime minister, Tayyip Erdogan, earlier this week, when he described Zionism as a crime against humanity.

Kerry is meeting Turkish leaders in talks meant to focus on Syria's civil war and bilateral interests from energy security to counter-terrorism.

But Erdogan's comment at a UN meeting in Vienna this week, condemned by his Israeli counterpart, the White House and UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon, has clouded his trip.

"This was particularly offensive, frankly, to call Zionism a crime against humanity … It does have a corrosive effect [on relations]," a senior US official told reporters as Kerry flew to Ankara.

"I am sure the secretary will be very clear about how dismayed we were to hear it," the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said.

"To state the obvious, it complicates our ability to do all of the things that we want to do together when we have such a profound disagreement about such an important thing."

Kerry is expected to urge Turkey to attempt to restore relations with Israel. "The Turkey-Israel relationship is frozen," the US official said. "We want to see a normalization … not just for the sake of the two countries but for the sake of the region and, frankly, for the symbolism," he said.

"Not that long ago [you] had these two countries demonstrating that a majority Muslim country could have very positive and strong relations with the Jewish state and that was a sign for the region [of what was] possible."

Erdogan told the UN Alliance of Civilizations meeting in Vienna on Wednesday: "Just as with Zionism, anti-Semitism and fascism, it has become necessary to view Islamophobia as a crime against humanity."

The head of Europe's main rabbinical group condemned his words as a "hateful attack" on Jews. Ties between Israel and mostly Muslim Turkey have been frosty since 2010, when Israeli marines killed nine Turks in fighting aboard a Palestinian aid ship that tried to breach Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip.

In recent weeks, there has been a run of reports in the Turkish and Israeli media about efforts to repair relations, including a senior diplomatic meeting last month in Rome and military equipment transfers.

The reports have not been confirmed by either government.

Officials said Syria would top the agenda when Kerry meets Erdogan and President Abdullah Gul, building on the discussions in Rome between 11 mostly European and Arab nations within the "Friends of Syria" group.

After the Rome meeting, Kerry said on Thursday the United States would for the first time give non-lethal aid to the rebels and more than double support to the civilian opposition, although Western powers stopped short of pledging arms.

"We need to continue the discussion which took place in Rome ... in terms of the main goals there is no daylight between us and the Americans," a senior Turkish official said.

"A broad agreement was reached on supporting the opposition. Now our sides need to sit down and really flesh out what we can do to support them in order to change the balance on the ground," he said.

Turkey has been one of Assad's fiercest critics, hosting a Nato Patriot missile defence system, including two US batteries, to protect against a spillover of violence and leading calls for international intervention.

It has spent more than $600m sheltering refugees from the conflict that began almost two years ago, housing some 180,000 in camps near the border and tens of thousands more who are staying with relatives or in private accommodation.

Washington has given $385m in humanitarian aid for Syria but US president Barack Obama has so far refused to give arms, arguing it is difficult to prevent them from falling into the hands of militants who could use them on Western targets.

Turkey, too, has been reluctant to provide weapons, fearing direct intervention could cause the conflict to spill across its borders.
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Turkey and Israel were once important allies but relations have deteriorated sharply after an Israeli raid on a Gaza-bound Turkish aid ship in 2010 which killed nine pro-Palestinian activists.

Erdogan, whose ruling party has roots in Turkey’s Islamic movement, frequently criticises Israeli actions against Palestinians but rarely speaks out against Zionism. In November, he accused Israel of state terrorism and of an ”attempt at ethnic cleansing,” a euphemism used to describe how violence can be used to force a population from an area.
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Turkish and Israeli relations worsened in May 2010 and have remained strained since then after Israeli naval commandos stormed the Mavi Marmara, a ship carrying humanitarian aid to breach Israel’s Gaza blockade, killing eight Turkish civilians and a US citizen.

Turkey demands an official apology, compensation for the families of victims and an end to the Gaza blockade. Israel has refused to issue an apology, expressing only regret, claiming that its soldiers acted in self-defense.

Turkey said it would not allow Israel to take part in the alliance’s new “Partnership Cooperation Menu (PCM)” during a NATO meeting in Brussels in late April attended by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu.

Davutoğlu stated during the meeting that Turkey wouldn’t cooperate with Israel unless it accepts Turkey’s demands. He said Turkey doesn’t consider Israel as a partner in any international platform, including NATO.

“We will never allow a NATO facility to be used by a third party. I want to make this very clear. And, if this party were Israel, our attitude would be more clear and visible,” Davutoğlu said.

Davutoğlu reminded the members that Turkey was a country that rescued citizens of other NATO member countries who were detained by Israel during the Mavi Marmara raid. “Go and tell Israel to apologize for the incident and to pay compensation for the Turkish citizens whom it massacred,” Davutoğlu said.

According to information obtained from Turkish diplomatic sources, Davutoğlu reacted to the criticism raised by some NATO members in the Brussels meeting who claimed bilateral problems should not be brought to the alliance by underlining that Turkey cannot consider a country that killed Turkish citizens in international waters as a partner.

A senior diplomatic source said Turkey’s bargaining power is too strong. “We [Turkey] are blocking Israel in many areas. We avoid contact with Israel in any international meeting,” the same source said.

Another senior diplomatic source said NATO-Israel relations cannot be restored until Turkey-Israel relations are normalized.
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UN report says Israel could be prosecuted for war crimes over settlements

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''isrel is a terorist state''
''zionism is a crime agaist humanity''

in 1975 The United Nations General Assembly declared that zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination.but in 1991 they revoked what they approved in 1975 "

i agree with PM Erdogans words although i dont like his islamist policy.i wish the other politicians were brave enouht criticize Israels policy raunchily as Erdogan.

in 1975 The United Nations General Assembly declared that zionism is a form of racism and racial discrimination.but in 1991 they revoked what they approved in 1975

US is always more royalist than the kingin when it comes to israel.
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Zionism is total crap.

Want to make an Israel? Make it in NYC or in Florida, it's basically already that.
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New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine
Zionists design myth of Jewish genome to usurp Palestine

by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor with Press TV
First published on Press TV - February 27th, 2013

Update: This article did very well on Press TV. We jumped on it at VT because we saw it’s Mid East shattering implications regarding the Zionist myth biblical claims to Palestine. My readers know what I have always felt about a bunch of communist atheist Jews claiming a God given right to anything. But this new genome study was written from a purely scientific approach. The study was covered internationally everywhere by in the U.S., surprise, surprise.

All geopolitical implications below are mine and not Dr. Elhaik’s. The militant Zionists have already politicized it by sending arch Zionist Dore Gold out to do a hit piece on this new work. Dore has handed me his head on a platter, and I will be serving it to you all on a follow up piece platter, with all the trimmings. You might want to get a good bottle of wine to go with it. The real holocaust deniers have exposed themselves…Jim W. Dean

On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down. But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.

How could those those eminent Jewish scientist before him have been so wrong? Easy says Dr. Elhaik, “First these researchers decided what conclusions they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it.” I was not bashing Jewish scientists. What Elhaik has described is a slam dunk fraud.
But why? Why would Jews who take such pride in the academic achievement risk exposing themselves to a group deception which was bound to be discovered later? Dr. Elhaik does not delve into the quicksand of the politics, but I will gladly do so.

They perpetrated the fraud solely to support the bogus biblical claim to Palestine which was anchored in their being a separate people. This distinguished them from all others because they claimed a land title in their blood.

They bet the farm on this DNA proof of purchase, a God given bar coded passport to the Palestine. Dr. Ehaik just erased the bar code. It was just stamped on anyway, because it was never in the blood.

Why, why did they do it? The second half of the answer not revealed in his research was that you had a bunch of atheist, communist Jews shoot their way into taking over the Land with the sole moral cover that ‘God gave it us only’.
Before I had a bookcase of Judacia in my library I must say I was a bit suspicious of these atheist Jews whipping out God’s dual land title and passport. It was propaganda of course. It always was. And the story for another day is why did an entire academic community who should have known better, cower down and debase themselves in their own community by allowing the fraud to not only be birthed, but continued?

Arthur Koestler’s The Thirteen Tribe was a major influence in cracking the fraud. It was published in the day when Zionist propagandist were very savvy in not attacking an esteemed Jewish author. They had no fear from the academic community, already neutralized, and Kostler’s book did not generate a moral tipping point challenge to the Zionist false claim on the Land.

Dr. Elhaik literally nails the fraudsters to the cross, “….[they] assumed that the Jews constitute a group that is genetically isolated from other nations.”…That’s because Jews were never genetically isolated, making all those other studies fatally flawed and very often contradictory.

I was wondering what weapon of mass destruction that the Jewish Lobby bullies would unleash upon the young Israeli-American geneticist. I expected to be reading about Alan Dershowitz denouncing him as a self hating Jew when actually it is Dershowitz who is the self-hating Jew. He and Abe Foxman compete for the most negative Jewish stereotype and best bully competition award annually.

But there has been no attack. The 32 year old Dr.Elhaid is getting the Arthur Koestler treatment, in spades. What do I mean? Well, his research paper was published by the Oxford University Press, in the prestigious journal Genome Biology and Evolution.

But do you think a bunch of savvy Zionist propagandists are going to worry about the mass public ever hearing a thing about his research? Of course not. And are these same pretend-a-Jews going to risk giving his work a 100 times more exposure by attacking him publicly?

Let’s get back to Dr. Elhaik hammering the nails in, “First these researchers decided what conclusion they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it…It is my impression that their results were written before they began the research. First they shot the arrow – and then the painted a bull’s-eye around it.”

Take a moment to ponder what he said there, folks. Does that sound like someone trembling in fear of Jewish Lobby power in America, or someone thinking that his career is over and committing hara-kiri? No. That ‘painted a bull’s-eye around it’ was not an off the cuff remark, but one he had chosen to use in a Haaretz interview.

This is a young man who is NOT standing on the shoulders of the fraudsters who have gone before him. On the contrary he wants to stand on their academic bones by exposing them, and he has.

More from his Haaretz interview, “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.”

The Genome Project Spelled Doom for the Founding Myths of Israel
Now onto some of the science highlights. Dr. Elhaik’s research shows that the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. For Central European Jews it is 38%, while for East Europeans it is 30%.
To that you can add his findings that in both groups their genome is mostly Western European. Surprise, surprise.

The Roman empire is the dominant lineage there, those that settled on the frontier, like retired soldiers, and the locals with whom they produced families.

There were some Jewish merchants there as Elhaik did find some Middle Eastern roots which he suspects are Mesopotamian and a bit of biblical Israel.
But here comes the slam dunk…the Israel connection is such a tiny part of their overall genome that it cancels out their DNA title claim to the Land. The good doctor would not wander into this swamp but I will, by calling a spade a spade.

What Dr. Elhaik has discovered folks is a ‘reverse holocaust’, the inventing of huge numbers of pseudo-Jews who have no more a blood claim to the land of Palestine than I do, even if I converted.

What I have just stated in no way challenges a religious or cultural affiliation. But as we all know, most Jews are not religious, including in Israel where way more than most are not. Subtracting that, then all you have is the tribe, the DNA, which unites them to a shared history of persecution. But that folks, is now all gone. Poof…gone.

Who among use does not have some genetic make up of a people who had suffered in ancient times, even numbers of different peoples, five or ten different ones? Why should we allow the pretend-a-Jews to send all of our gene pool to the back of the historical suffering bus as Club Med ancestors who enjoyed the ‘all inclusive’ treatment. I find that just a bit too convenient.

The Human Genome cannot be holocausted – even if Zionists wanted to.
So these ‘Jews’, are they then just a gang, united to be against all those not in the gang? Have they invented the whole story in a way like gang members take an oath and defend territory?

And is that not where Herzl and others before him saw an opening, that the Land could be a territory bond to unite Jews who were always fighting like cats and dogs amongst each other?

And is not the 2000 years of persecution claimed mostly by those who are not really descended from those actual people?

Who really has holocausted whom here, and why? We had Golda Meir’s instant holocausting of the Palestinian people with her infamous, “There are no Palestinian people.”

Is this not poetic justice from Dr. Elhiak, that he brings us scientific proof of there being no biblical Jewish people as such as they have presented themselves? And does this not also make a fraud of the historical ‘Anti-Semite’ smear, by a people who aren’t even Semites?

I think it might be time to start setting things straight on the Founding Myths. I must admit that I never expected to get a free ticket to the truth from a smart young Israeli doctor from John Hopkins who has his moral rudder deep in the water.

He is not a gangster, whoever his ancestors were. We call this…leadership, with maybe a touch of Moses parting the Founding Myth waters for those who want to walk through to the other side.

We shall now see if others choose to be free, or to run with the gang. The militant Israelis, they always knew this day was coming. That is what their nukes have been for, always. They knew.

They never believed in it themselves. They were atheists for heaven’s sake.
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New Genome Study Destroys Zionist Claims to Palestine
Zionists design myth of Jewish genome to usurp Palestine

by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor with Press TV
First published on Press TV - February 27th, 2013

Update: This article did very well on Press TV. We jumped on it at VT because we saw it’s Mid East shattering implications regarding the Zionist myth biblical claims to Palestine. My readers know what I have always felt about a bunch of communist atheist Jews claiming a God given right to anything. But this new genome study was written from a purely scientific approach. The study was covered internationally everywhere by in the U.S., surprise, surprise.

All geopolitical implications below are mine and not Dr. Elhaik’s. The militant Zionists have already politicized it by sending arch Zionist Dore Gold out to do a hit piece on this new work. Dore has handed me his head on a platter, and I will be serving it to you all on a follow up piece platter, with all the trimmings. You might want to get a good bottle of wine to go with it. The real holocaust deniers have exposed themselves…Jim W. Dean

On December 14, 2012, Dr. Eran Elhaik turned almost two generations of Jewish genome research upside down. But he went even further. The young Israeli-American geneticist has charged former researchers with academic fraud, and he has the research to back it up.

How could those those eminent Jewish scientist before him have been so wrong? Easy says Dr. Elhaik, “First these researchers decided what conclusions they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it.” I was not bashing Jewish scientists. What Elhaik has described is a slam dunk fraud.
But why? Why would Jews who take such pride in the academic achievement risk exposing themselves to a group deception which was bound to be discovered later? Dr. Elhaik does not delve into the quicksand of the politics, but I will gladly do so.

They perpetrated the fraud solely to support the bogus biblical claim to Palestine which was anchored in their being a separate people. This distinguished them from all others because they claimed a land title in their blood.

They bet the farm on this DNA proof of purchase, a God given bar coded passport to the Palestine. Dr. Ehaik just erased the bar code. It was just stamped on anyway, because it was never in the blood.

Why, why did they do it? The second half of the answer not revealed in his research was that you had a bunch of atheist, communist Jews shoot their way into taking over the Land with the sole moral cover that ‘God gave it us only’.
Before I had a bookcase of Judacia in my library I must say I was a bit suspicious of these atheist Jews whipping out God’s dual land title and passport. It was propaganda of course. It always was. And the story for another day is why did an entire academic community who should have known better, cower down and debase themselves in their own community by allowing the fraud to not only be birthed, but continued?

Arthur Koestler’s The Thirteen Tribe was a major influence in cracking the fraud. It was published in the day when Zionist propagandist were very savvy in not attacking an esteemed Jewish author. They had no fear from the academic community, already neutralized, and Kostler’s book did not generate a moral tipping point challenge to the Zionist false claim on the Land.

Dr. Elhaik literally nails the fraudsters to the cross, “….[they] assumed that the Jews constitute a group that is genetically isolated from other nations.”…That’s because Jews were never genetically isolated, making all those other studies fatally flawed and very often contradictory.

I was wondering what weapon of mass destruction that the Jewish Lobby bullies would unleash upon the young Israeli-American geneticist. I expected to be reading about Alan Dershowitz denouncing him as a self hating Jew when actually it is Dershowitz who is the self-hating Jew. He and Abe Foxman compete for the most negative Jewish stereotype and best bully competition award annually.

But there has been no attack. The 32 year old Dr.Elhaid is getting the Arthur Koestler treatment, in spades. What do I mean? Well, his research paper was published by the Oxford University Press, in the prestigious journal Genome Biology and Evolution.

But do you think a bunch of savvy Zionist propagandists are going to worry about the mass public ever hearing a thing about his research? Of course not. And are these same pretend-a-Jews going to risk giving his work a 100 times more exposure by attacking him publicly?

Let’s get back to Dr. Elhaik hammering the nails in, “First these researchers decided what conclusion they wanted to find, and then they set off to find evidence to support it…It is my impression that their results were written before they began the research. First they shot the arrow – and then the painted a bull’s-eye around it.”

Take a moment to ponder what he said there, folks. Does that sound like someone trembling in fear of Jewish Lobby power in America, or someone thinking that his career is over and committing hara-kiri? No. That ‘painted a bull’s-eye around it’ was not an off the cuff remark, but one he had chosen to use in a Haaretz interview.

This is a young man who is NOT standing on the shoulders of the fraudsters who have gone before him. On the contrary he wants to stand on their academic bones by exposing them, and he has.

More from his Haaretz interview, “The various groups of Jews in the world today do not share a common genetic origin. We are talking here about groups that are very heterogeneous and which are connected solely by religion…[the] genome of European Jews is a mosaic of ancient peoples and its origin is largely Khazar.”

The Genome Project Spelled Doom for the Founding Myths of Israel
Now onto some of the science highlights. Dr. Elhaik’s research shows that the dominant element in the genetic makeup of European Jews is Khazar. For Central European Jews it is 38%, while for East Europeans it is 30%.
To that you can add his findings that in both groups their genome is mostly Western European. Surprise, surprise.

The Roman empire is the dominant lineage there, those that settled on the frontier, like retired soldiers, and the locals with whom they produced families.

There were some Jewish merchants there as Elhaik did find some Middle Eastern roots which he suspects are Mesopotamian and a bit of biblical Israel.
But here comes the slam dunk…the Israel connection is such a tiny part of their overall genome that it cancels out their DNA title claim to the Land. The good doctor would not wander into this swamp but I will, by calling a spade a spade.

What Dr. Elhaik has discovered folks is a ‘reverse holocaust’, the inventing of huge numbers of pseudo-Jews who have no more a blood claim to the land of Palestine than I do, even if I converted.

What I have just stated in no way challenges a religious or cultural affiliation. But as we all know, most Jews are not religious, including in Israel where way more than most are not. Subtracting that, then all you have is the tribe, the DNA, which unites them to a shared history of persecution. But that folks, is now all gone. Poof…gone.

Who among use does not have some genetic make up of a people who had suffered in ancient times, even numbers of different peoples, five or ten different ones? Why should we allow the pretend-a-Jews to send all of our gene pool to the back of the historical suffering bus as Club Med ancestors who enjoyed the ‘all inclusive’ treatment. I find that just a bit too convenient.

The Human Genome cannot be holocausted – even if Zionists wanted to.
So these ‘Jews’, are they then just a gang, united to be against all those not in the gang? Have they invented the whole story in a way like gang members take an oath and defend territory?

And is that not where Herzl and others before him saw an opening, that the Land could be a territory bond to unite Jews who were always fighting like cats and dogs amongst each other?

And is not the 2000 years of persecution claimed mostly by those who are not really descended from those actual people?

Who really has holocausted whom here, and why? We had Golda Meir’s instant holocausting of the Palestinian people with her infamous, “There are no Palestinian people.”

Is this not poetic justice from Dr. Elhiak, that he brings us scientific proof of there being no biblical Jewish people as such as they have presented themselves? And does this not also make a fraud of the historical ‘Anti-Semite’ smear, by a people who aren’t even Semites?

I think it might be time to start setting things straight on the Founding Myths. I must admit that I never expected to get a free ticket to the truth from a smart young Israeli doctor from John Hopkins who has his moral rudder deep in the water.

He is not a gangster, whoever his ancestors were. We call this…leadership, with maybe a touch of Moses parting the Founding Myth waters for those who want to walk through to the other side.

We shall now see if others choose to be free, or to run with the gang. The militant Israelis, they always knew this day was coming. That is what their nukes have been for, always. They knew.

They never believed in it themselves. They were atheists for heaven’s sake.
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Important information that the U.S. worshipers of Israel should be allowed to know.
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Zionists design myth of Jewish genome to usurp Palestine

by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor with Press TV
First published on Press TV - February 27th, 2013

Update: This article did very well on Press TV. We jumped on it at VT because we saw it’s Mid East shattering implications regarding the Zionist myth biblical claims to Palestine. My readers know what I have always felt about a bunch of communist atheist Jews claiming a God given right

How could those those eminent Jewish scientist before him have been so wrong? Easy says Dr. Elhaik...

They never believed in it themselves. They were atheists for heaven’s sake.
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like i said
i dont like him and his policies.but at least he has got some balls..

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He knows what he is talking about. Nothing but the truth.

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