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This should be getting much bigger headlines. New bill HR 748, would require all persons 18-25 to perform a two year mandatory "national service.

 
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Seems this would eliminate the disabled ,etc,etc

SEC. 108. INDUCTION EXEMPTIONS
No person may be inducted for military service
under this title unless the person is acceptable to the Secretary
concerned for training and meets the same health and physical
qualifications applicable under section 505 of title 10, United States
Code, to persons seeking original enlistment in a regular component of
the Armed Forces
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SEC. 109. CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTION.
(a) Claims as Conscientious Objector.--Nothing in this title shall
be construed to require a person to be subject to combatant training
and service in the uniformed services, if that person, by reason of
sincerely held moral, ethical, or religious beliefs, is conscientiously
opposed to participation in war in any form.
(b) Alternative Noncombatant or Civilian Service.--A person who
claims exemption from combatant training and service under subsection
(a) and whose claim is sustained by the local board shall--
(1) be assigned to noncombatant service (as defined by the
President), if the person is inducted into the uniformed
services; or(2) be ordered by the local board, if found to be conscientiously opposed to participation in such noncombatant service, to perform civilian service for the period specified in section 104(a) and subject to such regulations as the President may prescribe.

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every citizen can serve 2 years for the state. Military or civillian services like work in retirement homes, delivery of food to the unabled or work at a youth club ect. i cant find anything wrong with that.
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every citizen can serve 2 years for the state. Military or civillian services like work in retirement homes, delivery of food to the unabled or work at a youth club ect. i cant find anything wrong with that.
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It will include some sort of marxist indoctrination. count on it....
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look who is pushing the bill!!! Rep. Charles Rangel he cheated on his taxes but he was still elected to yet another term
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Since 2008 he has entered 3875 bills
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In preparation for Planet X, they need everyone disarmed, and a fascist machine police state to carry out orders without question (aka the young) so they can remain in control as society falls apart. They need someone to shoot all of those hollow point bullets (aka the fittest) at those who are weak and protesting the lost of their freedoms, the old who know better.

Good luck in the underground bunkers. Continents will rise and fall in the twinkling of an eye, and I certainly wouldn't want to be in some cave likely to be crushed.

With any luck, it will become their tomb.
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Me thinks it's a WONDERFUL IDEA!!!
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Finally!! Me too!!
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How does involuntary servitude make one accountable for ones actions! We the people say fuck off to the Feds
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Not a bad thing. I think many of you forget the famous words of John F Kennedy:

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

The loss of fostering and producing patriotism in our schools and homes is sad, maybe this will help restore some of it.

I cant stand kids and adults with the self entitlement attitude!
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He wants us all to drink the kool-aid. No way I'm subscribing to a state-mandated program of this fashion.
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the government is bankrupt and they need cheap labor. look for this to pass in the near future.
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Dual-Citizen Israeli scum pushing their agenda through the corrupt zionist owned congress.
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The government is starting to hold people accountable for their actions. I think this is a good thing.
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who is going to hold the government accountable for their action's?
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When I was a kid I thought I was going to be drafted and I always wondered how I would do in the army lol.

Idk why I always thought this
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because you have been programmed since birth and taught not to think
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nah this was when I was like 8 years old man, just kid thoughts you know?
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Well, you are probably too young to remember (ahem!) but there DID used to be a Draft! It ended sometime following the Viet Nam War. Although, don't young men still need to register at 18? And since the Women's Libbers have been so successful in getting women into the Service, I'm thinking that now WOMEN will need to register at age 18 also?

Actually, the concept ITSELF is a good one - that is the age where one is physically at the peak of performance. If it were run like a CCC, they could build projects, renovate inner-city areas, staff our National and State parks, clean up and re-plant public and roadside areas, etc. By the time they got out in 2 years, they'd develop a sense of responsibility and working together to accomplish things. Of course, this plan will no doubt be protested by the unions, but Obama seems to have the unions in his pocket too. Maybe he will promise them something.....

What worries me though is that Obama will be "in charge" from the Program's very inception. He will manipulate and steer in in the direction which HE wants it to go.

And that does not bode well for anyone.
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What a shitty idea. I'm sure this is all about Obama's FDR like program that he wants so bad that he touted would save the economy. Send the millions of people my age to fight overseas as some "freedom fighter" and all of the sudden the economy would again be booming as jobs opened up everywhere.

Some of the youth may need it as some of you say, but don't lump us all into that category. I happen to have went to work right out of high school and worked my ass off. It wasn't long until I found I was no longer at a job and had career with all the skills I picked up along the way. At 23, I hope to start my own business this year and start employing people. Am I unpatriotic because I didn't serve in the military? Guess you all must of drank the Obama kool aid and believe that hard work doesn't build businesses, only government hand outs does. In my opinion, unpatriotic is those who sit on their ass and say where's my check? Where's my Obama phone, Where's my food stamps? The government has made plenty of money off of me through taxes, which actually is a bit excessive, but I don't mind paying because that's my patriotic duty versus serving the military.

As for those people who served, I'll forever salute you for what you've given up for your country. For myself, the government ruined it with endless, perpetual war. Iraq, Libya, as well as all the places we bomb with drones in the middle east. If war was only about our defense and that only, I probably would of served. Instead, elites profiteer from it and it serves special interests. Then, we have elites who call soldiers dumb animals and worthless human beings and view war as a form of population control. That's unpatriotic.
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Where is the funding to pay all these people going to come from? Government doesn't produce or create products just debt. So we have a large segment of society performing national service by force, its a recipe for disaster, these people are not going to care especially your urban ghetto trash.
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Why do we care? This bill won't be passed.

The guy introducing this tries to pass this kind of thing every few years. It's a non-issue.
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18 USC § 1584 - Sale into involuntary servitude

(a) Whoever knowingly and willfully holds to involuntary servitude or sells into any condition of involuntary servitude, any other person for any term, or brings within the United States any person so held, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If death results from the violation of this section, or if the violation includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or the attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, the defendant shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for any term of years or life, or both.

(b) Whoever obstructs, attempts to obstruct, or in any way interferes with or prevents the enforcement of this section, shall be subject to the penalties described in subsection (a).


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Not like there is any jobs left for the Youth these days anyway.
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So, in your mind being free means you are a hippie?
Peace and cooperation are bad things?
You are an idiot

I know what is going to happen soon and I know who is to blame.
I also know, based on your response which side you'll be on.
I'll be looking for you junior...
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I'm the idiot? Why do you continue to live a slave to taxes, stupid laws, dependency on government, etc. if you know and understand freedom? Wouldn't you prefer to be truly free? If so, why aren't you?
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I doubt you know what freedom really means.

Are you free? Or a willing servant of those who would see us all enslaved?

I don't choose to be a slave, it has been imposed upon me.
I do not depend on the government they are the enslavers.

Where is this place where you can be free?
I am unaware of the place if it exists, which I doubt.
And why should I or anyone have to move somewhere to find it? Running away is not the answer.

The only way to regain our freedom is to educate those who are ignorant in the hope that enough will join us in our quest for freedom.

I do this every day, It's all I can do for now.
What are you doing.
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Quest for freedom? It's a fantasy. Only a relatively few achieve it... the other sheep will always follow.
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It's a better quest than the alternative, and a few is better than none, it's clear you have already given up.
With your defeatist attitude nothing will ever change.
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Status
This bill was assigned to a congressional committee on February 15, 2013, which will consider it before possibly sending it on to the House or Senate as a whole.
Progress

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3% chance of getting past committee.
1% chance of being enacted.
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As we continue our slide into 3rd world ghetto status, this mandatory service will be the only way to get a roof over your head and 3 hot meals a day. It will be cheap labor for the government. It will pass in 2-3 years.
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Not like there is any jobs left for the Youth these days anyway.
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That's part of the plan that led to this agenda.
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Not a bad thing. I think many of you forget the famous words of John F Kennedy:

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

The loss of fostering and producing patriotism in our schools and homes is sad, maybe this will help restore some of it.

I cant stand kids and adults with the self entitlement attitude!
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People do not exist to serve the needs of the state.
The state exists to serve the people.
The state exists at the sufferance of the people not the other way around.

This fostering of patriotism which is just another way of saying nationalism is a mental illness and will always lead to strife and suffering as the state seeks to impose its will on others you know for their own good, no matter how many have to be killed to do it.

No state has ever fostered freedom for long it always ends in despotism.

I found most who worship the state feel week and powerless, they are jealous of the accomplishments of others and are averse to the hard work necessary to produce earned wealth. They seek the power of the state to 'level the playing field' which is really just a euphemism for theft.
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Not a bad thing. I think many of you forget the famous words of John F Kennedy:

"And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country. My fellow citizens of the world: ask not what America will do for you, but what together we can do for the freedom of man."

The loss of fostering and producing patriotism in our schools and homes is sad, maybe this will help restore some of it.

I cant stand kids and adults with the self entitlement attitude!
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People do not exist to serve the needs of the state.
The state exists to serve the people.
The state exists at the sufferance of the people not the other way around.

This fostering of patriotism which is just another way of saying nationalism is a mental illness and will always lead to strife and suffering as the state seeks to impose its will on others you know for their own good, no matter how many have to be killed to do it.

No state has ever fostered freedom for long it always ends in despotism.

I found most who worship the state feel week and powerless, they are jealous of the accomplishments of others and are averse to the hard work necessary to produce earned wealth. They seek the power of the state to 'level the playing field' which is really just a euphemism for theft.
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We have opposing viewpoints.

No worries though, if it even were to pass, there would be so many exceptions written in, everybody wouldnt be doing it. Plus, did you know not even a quarter of people that age group qualify to even serve in the military as it is, and less than that even pass basic.
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About time.......time for this generation to do more than stare like zombies at their iPhone screens, computer screens, etc., etc., and texting all the time.

time to show them there are others in this old world worse off then they'll ever be.

to give them a chance to do for others instead of having things done for them all the time!!

NOW OF COURSE this is not true of all younger people, but enough that they make themselves known!!

and that goes for the males and females, too!!

WAY too many 'princesses' out there who think their shit doesn't stink and that EVERYONE owes them the world!!

AGAIN, not all females, but sure as hell enough of 'em!!
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Well said!!!
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Will you two Rangel employees please go spam another forum?
We're immune to your amateur shillery here.
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H.R. 748 would require all persons in the US 18-25 to perform 'national service'

These persons in the United States would either serve the country as a member of uniformed services or as civilian service. The civilian service could be served with a Federal, State, or local government program.



There has been speculation regarding President Obama’s “citizen army”. In 2008, President Obama made statements regarding a “civilian national security force”. Since that day, many have been curious as to what President Obama had in mind when he made that statement. Rep. Charles Rangel (D-NY13) may have just given a bit of insight into what was meant when he introduced H.R. 748 last week.



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theres a couple of clear reasons for a bill like this, first of all who wants to die in the name of freedom and what america stands for. if when they get home they are told they cannot no longer possess firearms legally? secondly the country is broke, they stole it all and now they cannot afford to run it by paying people.
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Personally, I chink it a great idea. We have in this country too many screwed up kids with no real values. Mormons force/brainwash their kids to expect two year "missions" after high school... seems to be ok for them and they would argue most beneficial.
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Yes there are many screwed up kids, but you really honestly think that turning them into no questions asked killing machines is going to help at all? How are they going to be affected afterward? Will they just be told what to do for the rest of their lives? Or will they look back and regret their decision they made and the people they killed as soldiers? Its a sad time to live where kids have no real say they are basically slaves (and not really individuals) which is a reason why myself and others feel this way, screwed up whatever you want to call it. There really is nothing to value in this world, or nothing to look up to at least not much. You think that kids should value war, guns, killing, and the dollar? I think that should be the least of our values.

As if 18 years of basically slavery (in having to go to school) and being told what to do wasn't enough, its a good idea to tack on a few more years? No big deal right? Pretty soon we will be living in a world ruled by big brother like Orwell s novel 1984. If the youth are slaves until age 25, what stops the government from taking total control and telling us where to work or basically dictating our whole lives, will they be telling us who we can marry or reproduce with as well? Who will stop them?

It will be a big change if this passes, the government knows that the youth are the strongest and will have the biggest effect if something were to happen. So if they can get rid of the youth before hand (before a gun ban for example) and brainwash them into becoming soldiers, then half of the war is already over if you know what i mean. I bet if passed this law will go right with the gun law hand and hand no doubt.
They also know the youth are the most gullible, so it won't be a big deal convincing the kids to take all your guns, like it would be an adult who actually thinks rationally (which i admit is rare nowadays)

Personally, I am 22 and will not join if this law passes. I don't care what the punishment.
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Find out what a "person" is!
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Me thinks it's a WONDERFUL IDEA!!!
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Fine, you stupid shill. Just volunteer and get out of the way.

Freedom includes FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT!

There's NO moral obligation to participate.

Drafting - military or civilian, is slavery.
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Actually you don't understand freedom. This country is "free" because people fought and died for it. The government gives you a phone, probably, ... military protection, infrastructures, fuel for your home and vehicles, protections from criminals, schools, food supply, energy, etc.

You, or at least the majority in society, can't exist well without some form of ruling government.
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True. but does that mean we should go murder people for them without question? Maybe if you are a mindless zombie.
I bet a lot of the people who oppose this don't oppose protecting our country. Of course if we are invaded, we will stand our ground, but should we also go to OTHER peoples countries and kill them because our government said it was for our safety? That is the question. Not getting oil or infrastructures, that's not done by SOLDIERS

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