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Science is the study of intelligent design. The theory of 'evolution' is the sy/fy hillbilly attempt to deny it.

 
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Science is the study of intelligent design. The theory of 'evolution' is the sy/fy hillbilly attempt to deny it.
If a toddler's ability to assemble ABC blocks in correct sequence requires intelligence, how much more is required to correctly write three billion digits of DNA in correct sequence?


Of course someone might say dna data was randomly etched in by grains of sand tossed to and fro in a magic primordial sea.
Who would doubt that?

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Religion and Science are too busy arguing with themselves rather than combining forces to seek the truth.

Perhaps spontaneous evolution brings sentient life into being and evolution are the rules that guide its growth... Just an idea...
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The question between "intelligent design" and "evolution" is ill-posed, probably to be prejudicial to the side that's advocating one over the other.

Neither are "theories" in the strict sense of the word but "models," inferences from observations. Models can never encompass everything so they will inherently limit our view of reality, but they are beneficial because without that focusing we can never extract meaning.

A model is good to the extent that it is useful.

The "model of evolution" is useful for some things but not others.

The "model of intelligent design" is useful for some other things but not others.

My personal observation is that those who want to fight over the subject have their own agendas.
We become like that to which we are devoted. Choose wisely.
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The question between "intelligent design" and "evolution" is ill-posed, probably to be prejudicial to the side that's advocating one over the other.

Neither are "theories" in the strict sense of the word but "models," inferences from observations. Models can never encompass everything so they will inherently limit our view of reality, but they are beneficial because without that focusing we can never extract meaning.

A model is good to the extent that it is useful.

The "model of evolution" is useful for some things but not others.

The "model of intelligent design" is useful for some other things but not others.

My personal observation is that those who want to fight over the subject have their own agendas.
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What is a "model of evolution"?
Here is a model of intelligence;
"In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely. 22 He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth. 23 When he was being reviled, he did not go reviling in return. When he was suffering, he did not go threatening, but kept on committing himself to the one who judges righteously. 24 He himself bore our sins in his own body upon the stake, in order that we might be done with sins and live to righteousness. And “by his stripes YOU were healed.” 25 For YOU were like sheep, going astray; but now YOU have returned to the shepherd and overseer of YOUR souls." 1Pe2:21
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My creator laid down all the laws of the universe that support our very existence.
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The question between "intelligent design" and "evolution" is ill-posed, probably to be prejudicial to the side that's advocating one over the other.

Neither are "theories" in the strict sense of the word but "models," inferences from observations. Models can never encompass everything so they will inherently limit our view of reality, but they are beneficial because without that focusing we can never extract meaning.

A model is good to the extent that it is useful.

The "model of evolution" is useful for some things but not others.

The "model of intelligent design" is useful for some other things but not others.

My personal observation is that those who want to fight over the subject have their own agendas.
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What is a "model of evolution"?
Here is a model of intelligence;
"In fact, to this [course] YOU were called, because even Christ suffered for YOU, leaving YOU a model for YOU to follow his steps closely. 22 He committed no sin, nor was deception found in his mouth. 23 When he was being reviled, he did not go reviling in return. When he was suffering, he did not go threatening, but kept on committing himself to the one who judges righteously. 24 He himself bore our sins in his own body upon the stake, in order that we might be done with sins and live to righteousness. And “by his stripes YOU were healed.” 25 For YOU were like sheep, going astray; but now YOU have returned to the shepherd and overseer of YOUR souls." 1Pe2:21
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I don't know how to explain it to you in simpler terms.
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science is just a tool to deceive, twist, control and hide the truth.

Wich is Jesus Christ.
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why are Christians so over zealous about anything religious...
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science is just a tool to deceive, twist, control and hide the truth.

Wich is Jesus Christ.
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Scientific research is ofter twisted to accomadate preconceived agendas of those financing it but religion is far worse at deceiving for money;

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why are Christians so over zealous about anything religious...
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Warning people about divine judgment/rejection of religion can mean the difference between life and death;
"She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a lurking place of every unclean exhalation and a lurking place of every unclean and hated bird! 3 For because of the wine of the anger of her fornication all the nations have fallen [victim], and the kings of the earth committed fornication with her, and the traveling merchants of the earth became rich due to the power of her shameless luxury.”
4 And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if YOU do not want to share with her in her sins, and if YOU do not want to receive part of her plagues. 5 For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind. 6 Render to her even as she herself rendered, and do to her twice as much, yes, twice the number of the things she did; in the cup in which she put a mixture put twice as much of the mixture for her. 7 To the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For in her heart she keeps saying, ‘I sit a queen, and I am no widow, and I shall never see mourning.’ 8 That is why in one day her plagues will come, death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire, because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong." Rv18
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Scientific research is ofter twisted to accomadate preconceived agendas of those financing it but religion is far worse at deceiving for money;
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Yes, and you can include the JWs in that category, as well as the vatican.
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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My creator laid down all the laws of the universe that support our very existence.
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Why can't you religitards understand that evolution could very well be the rules of the game, as set forth by the original creator? It is insanity to think everything was created at once as it exists today, when eons of time have passed allowing plenty of time for adaptation to take place giving rise to new forms of life that evolved from previous ones. Life IS change.
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Scientific research is ofter twisted to accomadate preconceived agendas of those financing it but religion is far worse at deceiving for money;
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Yes, and you can include the JWs in that category, as well as the vatican.
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All of Jehovah's Witnesses are volunteers and serve at our own expense.
"And who is adequately qualified for these things? 17 [We are;] for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are, but as out of sincerity, yes, as sent from God, under God’s view, in company with Christ, we are speaking." 2Cor2:16
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Another JW fail...just like your precious Watchtower.
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Scientific research is ofter twisted to accomadate preconceived agendas of those financing it but religion is far worse at deceiving for money;
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Yes, and you can include the JWs in that category, as well as the vatican.
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All of Jehovah's Witnesses are volunteers and serve at our own expense.
"And who is adequately qualified for these things? 17 [We are;] for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are, but as out of sincerity, yes, as sent from God, under God’s view, in company with Christ, we are speaking." 2Cor2:16
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I know. I'm not talking about the ordinary members. I mean the upper echelons. You should get out of that sect if you know what's good for you.
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Another JW fail...just like your precious Watchtower.
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I tip my hat to your remarkable powers of refuting logic/knowledge/insight.
No hillbilly here folks!
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My creator laid down all the laws of the universe that support our very existence.
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Why can't you religitards understand that evolution could very well be the rules of the game, as set forth by the original creator? It is insanity to think everything was created at once as it exists today, when eons of time have passed allowing plenty of time for adaptation to take place giving rise to new forms of life that evolved from previous ones. Life IS change.
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Adaptation is part of intelligent design for seasonal changes. The silly theory of 'evolution' was disproven years ago with the invention of the electron microscope. It enabled the discovery on DNA, the blueprint directing the assembly of every cell and organ, ensuring each species reproduces "according to it's kind". Ge1:20
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Scientific research is ofter twisted to accomadate preconceived agendas of those financing it but religion is far worse at deceiving for money;
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Yes, and you can include the JWs in that category, as well as the vatican.
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All of Jehovah's Witnesses are volunteers and serve at our own expense.
"And who is adequately qualified for these things? 17 [We are;] for we are not peddlers of the word of God as many men are, but as out of sincerity, yes, as sent from God, under God’s view, in company with Christ, we are speaking." 2Cor2:16
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I know. I'm not talking about the ordinary members. I mean the upper echelons. You should get out of that sect if you know what's good for you.
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Where should I go?
'My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, 2 so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; 3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, 5 in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God. 6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment. 7 And for the upright ones he will treasure up practical wisdom; for those walking in integrity he is a shield, 8 by observing the paths of judgment, and he will guard the very way of his loyal ones. 9 In that case you will understand righteousness and judgment and uprightness, the entire course of what is good." Pr2
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If a toddler's ability to assemble ABC blocks in correct sequence requires intelligence, how much more is required to correctly write three billion digits of DNA in correct sequence?

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provide one testable hypothesis based on intelligent design. fail.
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Why are you so obssesed with evolution op? Every thread you start is about it it seems. If you were secure in your knowledge about it I don't think you would be so outspoken on the matter. After all you don't attempt to teach, just criticize and mock. Your insecurities shine through brighter with every post you make.
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If a toddler's ability to assemble ABC blocks in correct sequence requires intelligence, how much more is required to correctly write three billion digits of DNA in correct sequence?

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provide one testable hypothesis based on intelligent design. fail.
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Try watching the video a little bit s l o w e r.
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Why are you so obssesed with evolution op? Every thread you start is about it it seems. If you were secure in your knowledge about it I don't think you would be so outspoken on the matter. After all you don't attempt to teach, just criticize and mock. Your insecurities shine through brighter with every post you make.
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How can I gain confidence in my views?
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If a toddler's ability to assemble ABC blocks in correct sequence requires intelligence, how much more is required to correctly write three billion digits of DNA in correct sequence?

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You know what I never ever considered that before. Thank you DGN I now feel enlightened.

Could you quote from the bible more in future. Those quotes are my favorite bit.
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My creator laid down all the laws of the universe that support our very existence.
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Why can't you religitards understand that evolution could very well be the rules of the game, as set forth by the original creator? It is insanity to think everything was created at once as it exists today, when eons of time have passed allowing plenty of time for adaptation to take place giving rise to new forms of life that evolved from previous ones. Life IS change.
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Adaptation is part of intelligent design for seasonal changes. The silly theory of 'evolution' was disproven years ago with the invention of the electron microscope. It enabled the discovery on DNA, the blueprint directing the assembly of every cell and organ, ensuring each species reproduces "according to it's kind". Ge1:20
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FYI DGN, although you are consistently highly acccurate in your posts you are somehow not correct here. Dna was first isolated from pus in like 1860 or something by a dude called Friedrich Miescher. Almost a hundred years of research later (1953) Watson and Crick got the structure correct after interpreting an x-ray diffraction pattern AKA photo 51.

Electron microscopes are very powerful tools but there are many different varieties. Roughly speaking there are three kinds of electron microscope. Imagers, feelers and diffracters.

Imagers take a picture using electrons rather than photons, those cool pictures of pollen and ants heads use these.

Feelers are tools like STM or AFM, these move an object around using piezo electric crystals and basically take a picture in the same way a blind man can with a stick.

Diffracters are a different technique such as transmission electron techniques or Low Energy Electron Diffraction (LEED). These methods give you a diffraction pattern like neutron scattering or x-ray diffraction. You would then have to interpret reciprocal space or k-space as it is known to interpret the patterns you observe.

Anyway hope this helps.
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My creator laid down all the laws of the universe that support our very existence.
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Why can't you religitards understand that evolution could very well be the rules of the game, as set forth by the original creator? It is insanity to think everything was created at once as it exists today, when eons of time have passed allowing plenty of time for adaptation to take place giving rise to new forms of life that evolved from previous ones. Life IS change.
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Adaptation is part of intelligent design for seasonal changes. The silly theory of 'evolution' was disproven years ago with the invention of the electron microscope. It enabled the discovery on DNA, the blueprint directing the assembly of every cell and organ, ensuring each species reproduces "according to it's kind". Ge1:20
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FYI DGN, although you are consistently highly acccurate in your posts you are somehow not correct here. Dna was first isolated from pus in like 1860 or something by a dude called Friedrich Miescher. Almost a hundred years of research later (1953) Watson and Crick got the structure correct after interpreting an x-ray diffraction pattern AKA photo 51.

Electron microscopes are very powerful tools but there are many different varieties. Roughly speaking there are three kinds of electron microscope. Imagers, feelers and diffracters.

Imagers take a picture using electrons rather than photons, those cool pictures of pollen and ants heads use these.

Feelers are tools like STM or AFM, these move an object around using piezo electric crystals and basically take a picture in the same way a blind man can with a stick.

Diffracters are a different technique such as transmission electron techniques or Low Energy Electron Diffraction (LEED). These methods give you a diffraction pattern like neutron scattering or x-ray diffraction. You would then have to interpret reciprocal space or k-space as it is known to interpret the patterns you observe.

Anyway hope this helps.
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yes, great stuff! How ever did Freddy figure out cell assembly was blueprinted without a microscope?
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If a toddler's ability to assemble ABC blocks in correct sequence requires intelligence, how much more is required to correctly write three billion digits of DNA in correct sequence?

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provide one testable hypothesis based on intelligent design. fail.
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Explain to me how this 3 billion bit data bank was NON-intelligently acquired/arranged/recorded.
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Intelligent design is not and never will be science.
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Intelligent design is not and never will be science.
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Science, is not possible without intelligence.
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Religion and Science are too busy arguing with themselves rather than combining forces to seek the truth.

Perhaps spontaneous evolution brings sentient life into being and evolution are the rules that guide its growth... Just an idea...
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No, science is just the process of trying to discover the truth.

Religion claims to already have it. Apparently you are not well versed in the scientific method. You should go back to elementary school.

And OP, thank you, I have finally realized I need to leave the republican party. I can absolutely no longer tolerate such idiocy.
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Religion and Science are too busy arguing with themselves rather than combining forces to seek the truth.

Perhaps spontaneous evolution brings sentient life into being and evolution are the rules that guide its growth... Just an idea...
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No, science is just the process of trying to discover the truth.

Religion claims to already have it. Apparently you are not well versed in the scientific method. You should go back to elementary school.

And OP, thank you, I have finally realized I need to leave the republican party. I can absolutely no longer tolerate such idiocy.
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