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Staff At Senior Home Refuses To Perform CPR On Dying Woman

 
Anonymous Coward
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Staff At Senior Home Refuses To Perform CPR On Dying Woman
[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]

"...The 911 dispatcher has trouble believing this. “I understand your boss is telling you you can’t do it but if there’s anybody, a human being, I don’t, is there anybody that’s willing to help this lady and not let her die?”

The nurse said, “Um, not at this time.”
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There is such a thing as a "DNR" means do not resuscitate order. It is in writing, by the patient. Many reasons for this, including the fact that in very elderly patients, they aren't going to really "come back", but remain in a vegetative state.
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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The lady probably had a living will that said "Do not recusitate". My dad had one. He did not want to be kept alive and most people in the nursing homes have them.
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Sorry Ink - it looks like we wrote at the same time. : )
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Sorry Ink - it looks like we wrote at the same time. : )
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No problemo!
"When tyrants tremble in their fear, and hear their death knell ringing,
When friends rejoice both far and near, how can I keep from singing"

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The article says it is the policy of the home not to. That is what the nurse said
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"...The executive director of Glenwood Gardens tells CBS2 News its policies is not to provide medical care..."
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"...And the nurse explains it’s against facility policy for staff to administer CPR...."
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I read the link.

This had NOTHING to do with the patient having had

do not resusitate orders.

No, it was the policy of this skilled nursing facility to

call 911 and NOTHING ELSE.


Homicide charges are being considered.



Now imagine if a kitchen worker cut themselves with a knife and was bleeding out.

they would let the person die, too.

this is amoral, and a terribly sad day for nursing.
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03/02/2013 01:29 PM
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I wonder if this is standard operating procedure for

California nursing homes.
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03/02/2013 01:40 PM
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The lady probably had a living will that said "Do not recusitate". My dad had one. He did not want to be kept alive and most people in the nursing homes have them.
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Had nothing to do with a dnr.

It has to do with an SNF not wanting to act like an SNF. I hope they lose all their licenses and funding.
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The lady probably had a living will that said "Do not recusitate". My dad had one. He did not want to be kept alive and most people in the nursing homes have them.
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MMMMMKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOW just a little bit of a stretch to make an excuse but the question is why are you defending them so quickly?!!!!!!!!
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From personal experience, even in hospitals doctors get really pushy relating to peo0pple who do NOT have DNR upon admittance.
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03/02/2013 02:16 PM
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Independent living is like a combo hotel, room, and board deal, unlicensed, maid-type staff.. Supposed to be like one is living at home on one's own.
Skilled nursing facility is a hospital, licensed nursing staff. Legal ramifications.
Which one is it?
Owners do not care, to them it is real estate. All they are doing is CYAssets.
Laws and lawsuits are causing some crazy behaviors in this country, folks should take heed.
Look at the stories of folks left on the side of the road in trouble due to fear.
Look at the little child in China run over and left due to fear.
What are we becoming?
I say the judicial system needs work if we can't get these lawyers under control, strengthen our judges. This will give hope to the populace that they will be treated fairly.
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03/02/2013 02:39 PM
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Usually they only let them die if they know they are running out of money to pay for the place. Up until then, they don't really care how long the patient suffers waiting to die.

Oh, well.....Welcome to Obama-care. Day will come when we all come under the do-nothing rule for medical care because it will be cheaper.
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So, CBS2 Legal Analyst Steve Meister says the facility could be charged on the "theory of homicide."

Does he mean manslaughter? It is not like they deliberately killed grandma and you would think a legal expert would know the difference between the two charges.

It sounds to me like this is a bunch of manufactured outrage. People put their elders into this home knowing the policies.
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If there was no DNR manslaughter charges should be filed. This is not a random stranger happening upon an accident, its a facility contracted to provide nursing services intentionally failing to provide them.
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If Obama worked at a Skilled Nursing Facility. . . .


It's just Obamacare kicking in. Gonna get a lot worse.
One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one.

Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway.

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I'm a HVAC & refrigeration tech and am Ammonia Certified...

I once worked for a massive Food distribution complex that had several large warehouse freezers...it backed up to a large neighborhood and we were told if we developed a leak that we were only to call 911 and "DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TRY AND RESCUE ANYONE"


I left and went to work for the local School dist.

If kids were to get into trouble like a fight or injured in some way, again..."CALL 911 DO NOT GET INVOLVED"

we were told at both places we would be fired if we violated this rule....I told them "Well you'll just have to fire me then!"
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[link to losangeles.cbslocal.com]

"...The 911 dispatcher has trouble believing this. “I understand your boss is telling you you can’t do it but if there’s anybody, a human being, I don’t, is there anybody that’s willing to help this lady and not let her die?”

The nurse said, “Um, not at this time.”
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My husband was left to die before they even called 911 or me..They called me after he was already unresponsive and had livor mortis..EMT's recorded this on their call sheet...According to the nursing home they did CPR but if they had called right away the EMT's who were there in five minutes would not have noted livor mortis. He had been dead a while.

Many times they tried to push the DNR on me and I refused to sign indicating that they should do everything possible but when they had the opportunity they let him die and then called 911 after it was too late.

They won't live forever and then they will have to explain to God something that has no explanation..At least that family has proof that they did not even try to help.
verysad This happened on August 13, 2007 and I recall it as if it were yesterday. I believe they got away with murder but not for long. They have a higher power to answer to.
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The lady probably had a living will that said "Do not recusitate". My dad had one. He did not want to be kept alive and most people in the nursing homes have them.
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Had nothing to do with a dnr.

It has to do with an SNF not wanting to act like an SNF. I hope they lose all their licenses and funding.

 Quoting: J&V


WHY? If this was the policy of the home then the family and the resident had to of known about this. If they wanted her resuscitated in a situation like this then maybe they should have put her in a nursing home that had life saving in their policy. You cannot blame the employee, blame the family or the resident herself for not taking that little detail into consideration.
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Maybe she didn't know, since the staff called themselves "nurses".

Any way, the bad publicity is going to put and end to the life of this company. DNR!
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bump

I see GoogleNews picking this up

Drudge still slow
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"...And the nurse explains it’s against facility policy for staff to administer CPR...."
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Everyone calls themselves a "nurse" now a days. It was probably a nurse's aide. Just my opinion. Here is their staffing:

Employment Full-Time Equivalent
Administrative Staff - Full Time: 5.53
Administrative Staff - Part Time: 2.10
Certified Nurse Aides - Full Time: 50.74
Certified Nurse Aides - Part Time: 2.64
Food Service Personnel - Full Time: 8.66
Food Service Personnel - Part Time: 1.89
Housekeeping Personnel - Full Time: 5.44
Licensed Practical/ Vocational Nurses - Full Time: 14.96
Licensed Practical/ Vocational Nurses - Part Time: 2.26
Medical Directors - Under Contract: 0.14
Mental Health Services Personnel - Under Contract: 0.01
Nurses With Administrative Duties - Full Time: 3.43
Persons Not Included In Any Other Categories - Full Time: 5.83
Physical Therapists - Under Contract: 0.86
Registered Nurses - Full Time: 5.16
Rn Director Of Nursing - Full Time: 1.14
Social Workers - Full Time: 1.14
Activities Professionals - Full Time: 1.14
Dentists - Under Contract: 0.01
Occupational Therapists - Under Contract: 2.29
Pharmacists - Under Contract: 0.01
Podiatrists - Under Contract: 0.01
Speech Pathologists - Under Contract: 0.21
Dietitians - Full Time: 1.14
Registered Nurses - Part Time: 3.11
[link to www.hospital-data.com]

Last Edited by nutmeg on 03/03/2013 06:02 PM
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you got to die.get over it.
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The lady probably had a living will that said "Do not recusitate". My dad had one. He did not want to be kept alive and most people in the nursing homes have them.
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This.
"Live each day like it's your last, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like no one is watching."
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I read the link.

This had NOTHING to do with the patient having had

do not resusitate orders.

No, it was the policy of this skilled nursing facility to

call 911 and NOTHING ELSE.


Homicide charges are being considered.



Now imagine if a kitchen worker cut themselves with a knife and was bleeding out.

they would let the person die, too.

this is amoral, and a terribly sad day for nursing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28167778


Ok, if there wasn't a DNR in place for the patient, then yes, this is So bad!
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Glenwood Gardens visitors withhold judgment on nurse's refusal to provide CPR
Visitors to Glenwood Gardens said they were withholding judgment Sunday on reports that a nurse there refused a 911 dispatcher's pleas last week to perform CPR on a woman who had fallen unconscious and later died.
The article is here:
[link to www.bakersfieldcalifornian.com]
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