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Why Do People Always Say Follow Jesus When Jesus Follows God? WHY NOT JUST FOLLOW GOD??

 
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Just don't blindly believe what you read and only use that written text as your sole argument for faith...
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What makes you think I would "blindly believe" anything?

Can I not believe what I believe after a great deal of a lifetime's worth of study and living and experience and argumentation such as this?

Can I not believe after very much seeing?
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"Then why did you say that? Do I not have free will? Then why did you say that?"

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You shouldn't put up those mind-blocks, letting this become a personal argument. I merely gave you valid ground to think on...

Don't lose your faith, I haven't... Just don't blindly believe what you read and only use that written text as your sole argument for faith...
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Nothing blocks my mind. You most certainly cannot.

My challenging your statements with statements of my own is now a problem with you?!
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Exactly. Try your best to DO as Christ did. Kick the money changers out oif the temple, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless. Radical ideas I know...but c'est la vie most xtians are morans.
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S.O.S....

So the Jews are going to hell because they don't follow Jesus?

See the previous arguments of OP and myself...

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People use jesus as a crutch to continue life... just be a good person without the promise of ultimate forgivenes...
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Indeed
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Because Jesus was God in mystery form

The mystery is that he was called the son of God yet he was God

Father ,Son and Holy Spirit are different forms that God takes


Just like water ....

You can take a pitcher of water ......pour some of it into a glass or many glasses .....you can pour some of it into an ice tray and make ice cubes but its all the same water

you are an uncle to your nephew ......a husband to your wife......a cousin to your cousin......etc......etc.....those are titles ....just like Father ,Son and Holy Spirit

they ware just different forms that God takes to accomplish the plan of redemption that he concieved because humans took the free choice he created us with and made bad choices

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You cannot be for God and hate Jesus.
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HAHA you can just ignore Jesus and Love That Spark of existence we call God.....

Ignore the Scriptures and Biblical Bullshit and JUST LOVE ENERGY of LIFE....
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I don't see why you need to ignore such things. Unless they displease you, then you have to look inside yourself and ask why they do. That being said you must use discernment in all things, even with the scriptures.

Anything that can provide insight to our place of origin and our purpose should be encouraged and researched.
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Displeased no its like Running into a Brick wall on the Spiritual Scale of things.

Jesus is a GIANT BRICK WALL a NET for Spiritual followers to not Dwell any Further into the Realm. And be Content with what they Do not know as Truth but are only Told as Truth.
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Who do YOU, OP 1551413, who do you say that Jesus Christ is?
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S.O.S....

So the Jews are going to hell because they don't follow Jesus?

See the previous arguments of OP and myself...

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People use jesus as a crutch to continue life... just be a good person without the promise of ultimate forgivenes...
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The words of Yeshua say it best. "I am the way, the truth and the life NO MAN comes unto the Father but by Me."

Yeshua was Jewish, the early church was started by Jews. There have been messianic Jews since Pentecost (birth of the church) and there are even larger numbers of Jews accepting Yeshua as the true Jewish Messiah today.

It comes down to anyone (Jew or Gentile) that does not believe on Yeshua for their salvation before they die will go to Hell. No if ands or buts. Just because the chosen people do not choose their Savior does not get them a free pass to Heaven.

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tee hee hee anon...446

I have no beef with you... Shit I can even eat beef on a Friday if I want to because I have free will and no true reason not to.

Don't use the bible or scripture as a way to block your own thoughts... If you NEED it for moral guidance because you can't stop doing the things you think you shouldn't do... by all means use it... but don't impose your bullshit need of it on everyone else you God's #1 warrior you...
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Exactly. Try your best to DO as Christ did. Kick the money changers out oif the temple, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, house the homeless. Radical ideas I know...but c'est la vie most xtians are morans.
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yet Right after christ the Churches where just as Evil as they are now.... Taxation from the beginning.
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S.O.S....

So the Jews are going to hell because they don't follow Jesus?

See the previous arguments of OP and myself...

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People use jesus as a crutch to continue life... just be a good person without the promise of ultimate forgivenes...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35438576


The words of Yeshua say it best. "I am the way, the truth and the life NO MAN comes unto the Father but by Me."

Yeshua was Jewish, the early church was started by Jews. There have been messianic Jews since Pentecost (birth of the church) and there are even larger numbers of Jews accepting Yeshua as the true Jewish Messiah today.

It comes down to anyone (Jew or Gentile) that does not believe on Yeshua for their salvation before they die will go to Hell. No if ands or buts. Just because the chosen people do not choose their Savior does not get them a free pass to Heaven.
 Quoting: S.O.S.


So everyone Pre Jesus went to Hell? Even people who lived in India whom had the Perfect Lifestyles Went to hell cause they never heard of this Jesus?
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People use jesus as a crutch to continue life... just be a good person without the promise of ultimate forgivenes...
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Jesus is the entire hospital.

It's amazing how all of you self-professed free-thinkers spout all the same unthought-through cliches.
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You cannot be for God and hate Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35438446


HAHA you can just ignore Jesus and Love That Spark of existence we call God.....

Ignore the Scriptures and Biblical Bullshit and JUST LOVE ENERGY of LIFE....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551413


I don't see why you need to ignore such things. Unless they displease you, then you have to look inside yourself and ask why they do. That being said you must use discernment in all things, even with the scriptures.

Anything that can provide insight to our place of origin and our purpose should be encouraged and researched.
 Quoting: Ongarou


Displeased no its like Running into a Brick wall on the Spiritual Scale of things.

Jesus is a GIANT BRICK WALL a NET for Spiritual followers to not Dwell any Further into the Realm. And be Content with what they Do not know as Truth but are only Told as Truth.
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I'd say that's definitely the mindset of many mainstream Christians, but that is an interpretation built to support excuses. Just look at all the different denominations of churches that have different beliefs but all use the same scriptures to support their faith.

If they come into it predisposed to thinking a certain way they are going to find what they are looking for. You need to approach it as a skeptic.

Kind of the reason it says lean not onto your own understanding, as if your own understanding corrupts what is being shared. Again it's all to be taken with discernment and skepticism, but a desire to gain truth and understanding.
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It comes down to anyone (Jew or Gentile) that does not believe on Yeshua for their salvation before they die will go to Hell. No if ands or buts. Just because the chosen people do not choose their Savior does not get them a free pass to Heaven.

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That is some of the dumbest bullshit I've ever heard... Yes sure, God of the Bible would stop accepting people to his kingdom (remember 1/2 the bible is pre jesus) so he would stop what he has done for all of eternity for some bullshit story like that...

Come on...

Don't use christianity as a crutch... people explain that Jesus is THE ONLY way to heaven just so they can keep being porn-watching, affair having, alcohol binging whores all week only to make it to Church on Sunday and ask forgiveness...

Okay, Thumbs up to the fucker who thought of that...
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So everyone Pre Jesus went to Hell? Even people who lived in India whom had the Perfect Lifestyles Went to hell cause they never heard of this Jesus?
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No.

But do you really want any honest answers or honest dialogue anyway?

Isn't it true that all you really want is to justify your own rejection of Jesus? Isn't that true?
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Because Jesus and the Father are one and Jesus came to be a living example for us to follow.
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YOU and the Creator are also ONE.

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It's amazing how all of you self-professed free-thinkers spout all the same unthought-through cliches."

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Yes being a good person... how cliche.

You're right 446, it would be better to be a whore all week and an alcoholic but then ask forgiveness than to be a good person and not need that crutch...

how cliche
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This Logic is undeniable Man Made


Even if the Spiritual Bringer Yehwah was Real (most likely)

His whole teachings and life Efforts got Twisted From Day 1

We use His name as an Egotistical Crutch to Validify what we do that is wrong as Right. Wars, Murder, Destruction of Nature to Build Empires of Greed all in the Name of Jesus.


His Teaching have Been Twisted the moment they where put in Ink..
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I assume without the numbers this is just a short piece of information. References available upon request.

While he yet spake,
behold,
a bright cloud overshadowed them:
and behold a voice out of the cloud,
which said,
This is my beloved Son,
in whom I am well pleased;
hear ye him.

Now therefore hearken unto me,
O ye children:
for blessed are they that keep my ways.
Hear instruction,
and be wise,
and refuse it not.
Blessed is the man that heareth me,
watching daily at my gates,
waiting at the posts of my doors.
For whoso findeth me findeth life,
and shall obtain favour of the LORD.
But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul:
all they that hate me love death.

Your outside the book example would be to get a map written on some paper and you fold it up and put it away and start a journey that takes 863 left terns and 638 right turns and 368 straight ahead and expect to arrive at the right location, on time.

Since the event we are waiting for is the bruise to Satan's head we only need Act:1 to Re:22, the Gospel of John , the book of Daniel, and the 12 listed books after that.

The 12 after Daniel cover events that are at the very start as soon as the destruction of the 'sinners' is complete as far as Re:20:5.
For example Zec:14 is the Gentiles that are alive after the 7 vials. What is not mentioned in that prophecy is that all the dead in Christ will join them alone with o few others. The living in that verse are the ones that escaped the mark of the beast.

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So everyone Pre Jesus went to Hell? Even people who lived in India whom had the Perfect Lifestyles Went to hell cause they never heard of this Jesus?
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No.

But do you really want any honest answers or honest dialogue anyway?

Isn't it true that all you really want is to justify your own rejection of Jesus? Isn't that true?
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I am not Rejecting Jesus... No I am rejecting the Egotistical Crutch that is the Name of Jesus....
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You're right 446, it would be better to be a whore all week and an alcoholic but then ask forgiveness than to be a good person and not need that crutch...
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Why such irrational hostility?

Do you really think that I said or think anything like that?

Of course not. So why did you already say that?

Why?
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This Logic is undeniable Man Made


Even if the Spiritual Bringer Yehwah was Real (most likely)

His whole teachings and life Efforts got Twisted From Day 1

We use His name as an Egotistical Crutch to Validify what we do that is wrong as Right. Wars, Murder, Destruction of Nature to Build Empires of Greed all in the Name of Jesus.


His Teaching have Been Twisted the moment they where put in Ink..
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sadly, yes.
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So everyone Pre Jesus went to Hell? Even people who lived in India whom had the Perfect Lifestyles Went to hell cause they never heard of this Jesus?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1551413


No.

But do you really want any honest answers or honest dialogue anyway?

Isn't it true that all you really want is to justify your own rejection of Jesus? Isn't that true?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35438446


I am not Rejecting Jesus... No I am rejecting the Egotistical Crutch that is the Name of Jesus....
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Who do YOU say that Jesus Christ is?
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446... again with the accusations of hostility...

You came on saying anyone who doesn't follow Jesus will burn a painful torturous existence for all of time in fire and blazes called Hell...


And you dare to call me hostile.

That is about as hostile of a comment as you can make...
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No I am rejecting the Egotistical Crutch that is the Name of Jesus....
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And what in the world do you possibly mean by that?

True belief is Jesus Christ is the opposite, the very definitional opposite, of ego.
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No I am rejecting the Egotistical Crutch that is the Name of Jesus....
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And what in the world do you possibly mean by that?

True belief in Jesus Christ is the opposite, the very definitional opposite, of ego.
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446... again with the accusations of hostility...

You came on saying anyone who doesn't follow Jesus will burn a painful torturous existence for all of time in fire and blazes called Hell...


And you dare to call me hostile.

That is about as hostile of a comment as you can make...
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Dare?!

Quote me saying what you said I said

or you are a liar.
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So everyone Pre Jesus went to Hell? Even people who lived in India whom had the Perfect Lifestyles Went to hell cause they never heard of this Jesus?
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No.

But do you really want any honest answers or honest dialogue anyway?

Isn't it true that all you really want is to justify your own rejection of Jesus? Isn't that true?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35438446


I am not Rejecting Jesus... No I am rejecting the Egotistical Crutch that is the Name of Jesus....
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Who do YOU say that Jesus Christ is?
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WHO? there is no WHO in the Spiritual Realm. There is only Yin and Yang. Simplest way to Put it.
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So I'm thinking your problem lies with the church itself, not the teaching, correct?
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So I'm thinking your problem lies with the church itself, not the teaching, correct?
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The Teaching are Very Misguided.....
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Because Jesus and the Father are one and Jesus came to be a living example for us to follow.
 Quoting: A Friend


YOU and the Creator are also ONE.

hf
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


Yep. I am also one with all those who are one with the Creator.

rose

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