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Colorado to All Ban Shotguns. Existing guns will be ILLEGAL to Sell, Transfer, or Lend. Illegal to lend to Your Own Kids While Hunting

 
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You're lying.

..."more than 10 rounds of ammunition or more
than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine)"
 Quoting: Rorschach


Why don't you read the actual Bill:

"LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE" DOES NOT MEAN:

A .22 CALIBER TUBE AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE;

OR

A TUBULAR MAGAZINE THAT IS CONTAINED IN A 4 LEVER-ACTION FIREARM.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


I read the actual bill.
That's how I know that you're lying.

You cited the only two exceptions in the entire bill. Neither of them cover shotguns.

All pump-action shotguns fit the definition of "high capacity magazines". Almost all semi-auto shotguns do as well.
 Quoting: Rorschach


This Bill could never be interpreted to ban shotguns, just the high capacity magazines. As long as a shotgun didn't have one of those magazines attached, it would still be legal.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


I'm not going to argue with someone who can't read.

The bill only excludes .22s with tubular magazines and lever action rifles. Shotguns are specifically included:
"or more than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine)"
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yep that way when u die they get that gun, no passing it on etc.
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I guess we'll all just have to go back to using knives and clubs for defense,huh? Those maces are hell when they hit a skull and crack it open.
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Giving guns to the next generation should be fucking illegal in every single state, because that pisses you off so fucking much.
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Giving guns to the next generation should be fucking illegal in every single state, because that pisses you off so fucking much.
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You enjoy being a slave, don't you? that's right, Your socialism BS doesn't work, pal. STFU!
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I can't believe people in Colorado aren't screaming from the mountaintops on this!!! This is bullshit and totally unnecessary. No excuse for this. Didn't they recently legalize Marijuana?? I'd tell that legislature and governor to shove it up their asses.
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Why don't you read the actual Bill:

"LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE" DOES NOT MEAN:

A .22 CALIBER TUBE AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE;

OR

A TUBULAR MAGAZINE THAT IS CONTAINED IN A 4 LEVER-ACTION FIREARM.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


I read the actual bill.
That's how I know that you're lying.

You cited the only two exceptions in the entire bill. Neither of them cover shotguns.

All pump-action shotguns fit the definition of "high capacity magazines". Almost all semi-auto shotguns do as well.
 Quoting: Rorschach


This Bill could never be interpreted to ban shotguns, just the high capacity magazines. As long as a shotgun didn't have one of those magazines attached, it would still be legal.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


I'm not going to argue with someone who can't read.

The bill only excludes .22s with tubular magazines and lever action rifles. Shotguns are specifically included:
"or more than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine)"
 Quoting: Rorschach


The intent of the bill is clearly to ban high capacity magazines, not to ban any guns with stock magazines. Anyone who adds a high capacity magazine would be in violation. It sounds like they will add an amendment to make that more explicit. Shotguns will not be banned by this bill. Mark my words.

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Get it.

Legal marijuana.

Illegal guns.

It's planned.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
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They really have declared war on the people.

This is the same thing that started the Revolutionary war.
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MMMMMaybe, but I'm thinking maybe.....isn't Denver Airport there? This will be the first state to try to get a total ban hence because when "they" come up from the bunkers they dont want the ppl to have any fuckin firepower.

Think about it.....

hayseedsideways
 Quoting: maryfknpoppins


Good post.

I was about to post on the Denver Airport as a possible reason Colorado is really going after the guns. I think this is a definite connection. New Mexico just tried the same sh*t, but the killed the assault weapon ban saying they're confident the feds will enact the bans.

While I'm glad they tabled the bill, they did so for the wrong reasons. They should be following Arizona's lead by allowing everyone to carry concealed and not try to disarm people in a state bordering Mexico.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
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Illegal laws are not legal, and should be viewed with the HIGHEST contempt. Those who sign illegal laws, need to be tried for treason.
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I read the actual bill.
That's how I know that you're lying.

You cited the only two exceptions in the entire bill. Neither of them cover shotguns.

All pump-action shotguns fit the definition of "high capacity magazines". Almost all semi-auto shotguns do as well.
 Quoting: Rorschach


This Bill could never be interpreted to ban shotguns, just the high capacity magazines. As long as a shotgun didn't have one of those magazines attached, it would still be legal.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


I'm not going to argue with someone who can't read.

The bill only excludes .22s with tubular magazines and lever action rifles. Shotguns are specifically included:
"or more than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine)"
 Quoting: Rorschach


The intent of the bill is clearly to ban high capacity magazines, not to ban any guns with stock magazines. Anyone who adds a high capacity magazine would be in violation. It sounds like they will add an amendment to make that more explicit. Shotguns will not be banned by this bill. Mark my words.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


Oh no, they can't ban shotguns. Don't you know they're the self defense weapon recommended by your VP for women?

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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32328802


Wrong.


Wrong.


Wrong.


Most shotguns not all.

You can still use Over and Under break actions, Side by Side, or single shot shotguns.

Almost ALL Pump and Semi's will be banned.....not all shotguns period.


Please fix your title op or at least read the story you posted.

And what will happen is what happened to AR 15's in California. There will be a Colorado Shotgun option where they cannot be modified and have extended tubes.

The gun industry will work around this. It's not difficult.

It's still bullshit though since most shotguns go unmodified and it's really gonna fuck up the 3 gun crowd.

By law you cannot hunt with more than 3 rounds anyhow....

It's stupid...it really is.
 Quoting: FatalW1shes


Ohhh.... the people in Colorado should feel so much better now... lol.

But seriously, it's not merely "stupid". It's a LOT more nefarious than that.
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I'm in Colorado and people are not happy about this at all. Really stupid to ban a hunting shotgun in a state where hunting is a way of life to a lot of families.

Here is our local news report on it. [link to denver.cbslocal.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17338098


I left that cesspool 20 years ago. Spent 35 years there, born and raised. Spent a good portion of those years dove hunting, duck hunting, pheasant hunting... with a pump action shotgun.

Now that place is like Kalifornia. Absolutely INFESTED with illegal aliens, homosexuals, feminazis, and every other foul form of libtard vermin.

Colorado used to be a beautiful place. Now it's NWO central.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32328802



Shall we all cry because the "parents" of CHILDREN won't be able to "lend" them their guns so the CHILDREN can MURDER animals?

Gun fanatics are pathetic.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32328802



Shall we all cry because the "parents" of CHILDREN won't be able to "lend" them their guns so the CHILDREN can MURDER animals?

Gun fanatics are pathetic.
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These are the kind of retards that deserve what they're going to get when the planned economic collapse finally sets in and martial law is declared in the US. It's not possible to murder an animal you buffoon, and when your belly is rumbling after a couple of weeks of not eating when the supermarkets are empty and you have no food, see how fast you'll be willing to even eat another human beings flesh, much less an animal.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32328802



Shall we all cry because the "parents" of CHILDREN won't be able to "lend" them their guns so the CHILDREN can MURDER animals?

Gun fanatics are pathetic.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35514693


These are the kind of retards that deserve what they're going to get when the planned economic collapse finally sets in and martial law is declared in the US. It's not possible to murder an animal you buffoon, and when your belly is rumbling after a couple of weeks of not eating when the supermarkets are empty and you have no food, see how fast you'll be willing to even eat another human beings flesh, much less an animal.
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You are an imbecile is you ACTUALLY "think" that taking the life of an animal is not MURDER.

It is MURDER, cold-blooded MURDER and should be prosecuted as a felony.
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I'm in Colorado and people are not happy about this at all. Really stupid to ban a hunting shotgun in a state where hunting is a way of life to a lot of families.

Here is our local news report on it. [link to denver.cbslocal.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17338098


I left that cesspool 20 years ago. Spent 35 years there, born and raised. Spent a good portion of those years dove hunting, duck hunting, pheasant hunting... with a pump action shotgun.

Now that place is like Kalifornia. Absolutely INFESTED with illegal aliens, homosexuals, feminazis, and every other foul form of libtard vermin.

Colorado used to be a beautiful place. Now it's NWO central.
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Colorado. Still a beautiful place, and minus one less racist, homophobic, male centric, simple minded, useless eater.

Nice.cool2
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They are not only pushing a Bill, they are pushing their own demise. Either they are stupid, or something big is coming this way.
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This is fear mongering. The proposed Bill would prohibit large capacity ammunition magazines. It doesn't say a word about shotguns.

[link to www.leg.state.co.us]
 Quoting: Instant Karma


You're lying.

..."more than 10 rounds of ammunition or more
than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine)"
 Quoting: Rorschach


Why don't you read the actual Bill:

"LARGE CAPACITY MAGAZINE" DOES NOT MEAN:

A .22 CALIBER TUBE AMMUNITION FEEDING DEVICE;

OR

A TUBULAR MAGAZINE THAT IS CONTAINED IN A 4 LEVER-ACTION FIREARM.
 Quoting: Instant Karma


I read the actual bill.
That's how I know that you're lying.

You cited the only two exceptions in the entire bill. Neither of them cover shotguns.

All pump-action shotguns fit the definition of "high capacity magazines". Almost all semi-auto shotguns do as well.
 Quoting: Rorschach


I completely disagree. I'm very well versed in legal research and comprehension of legal wording. Most pump action shot guns are 5 round (5+1 if one is chambered, but still considered five round). They are specifically saying that a ban would include any firearm capable of accepting more than 5 shotgun shells. Having said that, the whole bill stinks to high heaven...

(2) (a) "LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE" MEANS A FIXED OR
11 DETACHABLE MAGAZINE, BOX, DRUM, FEED STRIP, OR SIMILAR DEVICE
12 CAPABLE OF ACCEPTING, OR THAT CAN BE READILY CONVERTED TO
13 ACCEPT, MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION OR MORE THAN FIVE
14 SHOTGUN SHELLS.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

[link to offgridsurvival.com]
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Shall we all cry because the "parents" of CHILDREN won't be able to "lend" them their guns so the CHILDREN can MURDER animals?

Gun fanatics are pathetic.
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How will you protect yourself in a collapse situation? You anti gunners will be the first to go.
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what I saw on another forum.... the problem is those 5 round pump shotguns will accept a tube extension making them high capacity. so their going to ban the 5 rounders also. if the other forum is wrong then I'm wrong.
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I'm in Colorado and people are not happy about this at all. Really stupid to ban a hunting shotgun in a state where hunting is a way of life to a lot of families.

Here is our local news report on it. [link to denver.cbslocal.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17338098


Throw the bastards out! How fucking hard is it to go up there grab them by the shirt collar and throw their asses out on the damn streets and tell them to their fucking faces in front of God and everyone they are hereby fired! The reason why this is happening is because ya'll put up with it and you're scared to really do what's right once and for all.
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Well, aren't you just Mr. Big Talk? This is happening all over and if it's not in your area it will be shortly. I'll watch for you on the national news accosting politicians and we'll see how well that works out for you.

I'm doing my part to stop this, believe me, but being stupid isn't going to accomplish anything.
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Awww, you're just so scared. Gonna go by the book eh? We have already seen what going by the book does for you, haven't we?

It's not stupid to stand up for what is really right once and for all. But it is stupid to just stand there and fucking do nothing and then blame others for your own inactions.
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Since possession and ownership prior to enactment of this proposed bill exempts one from prosecution, now is the time to buy all the high capacity mags etc., that anyone wants to own. That's why Magpul is airlifting mags to help Colorado citizens now according to various articles and their FB page.
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Wont change anything.

Seems like everybody forgot Columbine was done during the last AWB.
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Wont change anything.

Seems like everybody forgot Columbine was done during the last AWB.
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this time their talking 10 years in prison for violators. they've taken this AWB to a new level.
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Warning for those in Colorado. Your State Legislators are pushing a bill through that will ban all shotguns and your Governor says he is going to sign it.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32328802



Shall we all cry because the "parents" of CHILDREN won't be able to "lend" them their guns so the CHILDREN can MURDER animals?

Gun fanatics are pathetic.
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How will you protect yourself in a collapse situation? You anti gunners will be the first to go.
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The type of mentally ill person you are replying to believes government will protect them. They are to ignorant and brain dead to realize their own government will murder them as gleefully as any other criminal under the right conditions. One of those conditions is that they are disarmed.
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The Dick Act of 1902
Efficiency of Militia Bill H.R. 11654, June 28, 1902. Congressional Record, House, pages 7706-7713 and 321-353, 7594-7595. Also known as the Dick Act of 1902, written by Representative Dick, passed by Congress on June 30, 1902.

The three classes H.R. 11654 provides for are the organized militia, henceforth known as the National Guard of the State, Territory and District of Columbia, the unorganized militia and the regular army. The militia encompasses every able-bodied male between the ages of 18 and 45. All members of the unorganized militia have the absolute personal right and 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear arms of any type, and as many as they can afford to buy.

The Dick Act of 1902 cannot be repealed; to do so would violate bills of attainder and ex post facto laws which would be yet another gross violation of the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The President of the United States has zero authority without violating the Constitution to call the National Guard to serve outside of their State borders.

The National Guard Militia can only be required by the National Government for limited purposes specified in the Constitution (to uphold the laws of the Union; to suppress insurrection and repel invasion). These are the only purposes for which the General Government can call upon the National Guard.
Attorney General Wickersham advised President Taft, "the Organized Militia (the National Guard) can not be employed for offensive warfare outside the limits of the United States."

The Honorable William Gordon, in a speech to the House on Thursday, October 4, 1917, proved that the action of President Wilson in ordering the Organized Militia (the National Guard) to fight a war in Europe was so blatantly unconstitutional that he felt Wilson ought to have been impeached.

During the war with England an attempt was made by Congress to pass a bill authorizing the president to draft 100,000 men between the ages of 18 and 45 to invade enemy territory, Canada. The bill was defeated in the House by Daniel Webster on the precise point that Congress had no such power over the militia as to authorize it to empower the President to draft them into the regular army and send them out of the country.

The fact is that the President has no constitutional right, under any circumstances, to draft men from the militia to fight outside the borders of the USA, and not even beyond the borders of their respective states. Today, we have a constitutional LAW which still stands in waiting for the legislators to obey the Constitution which they swore an oath to uphold.

Charles Hughes of the American Bar Association (ABA) made a speech which is contained in the Appendix to Congressional Record, House, September 10, 1917, pages 6836-6840 which states: "The militia, within the meaning of these provisions of the Constitution is distinct from the Army of the United States." In these pages we also find a statement made by Daniel Webster, "that the great principle of the Constitution on that subject is that the militia is the militia of the States and of the General Government; and thus being the militia of the States, there is no part of the Constitution worded with greater care and with more scrupulous jealousy than that which grants and limits the power of Congress over it."

"This limitation upon the power to raise and support armies clearly establishes the intent and purpose of the framers of the Constitution to limit the power to raise and maintain a standing army to voluntary enlistment, because if the unlimited power to draft and conscript was intended to be conferred, it would have been a useless and puerile thing to limit the use of money for that purpose. Conscripted armies can be paid, but they are not required to be, and if it had been intended to confer the extraordinary power to draft the bodies of citizens and send them out of the country in direct conflict with the limitation upon the use of the militia imposed by the same section and article, certainly some restriction or limitation would have been imposed to restrain the unlimited use of such power."

The Honorable William Gordon
Congressional Record, House, Page 640 - 1917


"Be it enacted that the militia shall consist of every able-bodied male citizen, respective of States, Territories, and the District of Columbia and every able-bodied male of foreign birth who has declared his intention to become a citizen, who is more than 18 and less than 45 years of age, shall be divided into three classes; the organized militia, to be known as The National Guard of the State, Territory or District of Columbia, or by such other designations by the laws of the respective States or Territories, as may be given by the laws of the respective States or Territories, the national voluntary reserve as provided in this act, and the remainder to be known as the reserve militia."

The Militia Act and the revised Militia Act (the Dick Act), make it quite clear that all men between the ages of 18 and 45 are the (unorganized) militia with an absolute right to keep and bear Arms under the Article II of the Bill of Rights, of whatever type; automatic or semi-automatic, regardless of size, magazine capacity, barrel length or caliber/gauge in any quantity they may deem necessary along with any amount of ammunition they may determine from time to time.

"The Right to Keep and Bear Arms Report", of the Subcommittee on the Constitution of the United States Senate Judiciary Committee; Ninety-seventh Congress, second session, February 1982. Orrin Hatch, Chairman.
"That the National Guard is not the "Militia" referred to in the Second Amendment is even clearer today. Congress has organized the National Guard under its power to "raise and support armies", and not its power to "Provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia." This Congress chose to do so in the interest of organizing reserve military units which were not limited in deployment by the strictures of our power over Constitutional militia, which can be called forth only "to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrection, and repel invasions." The modern National Guard was specifically intended to avoid status as the Constitutional militia, a distinction recognized by Title 10 United States Code 311 (a)."

"The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commenter and court in the first half-century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."

The Second Amendment right to keep and bear Arms, therefore, is a right of the individual citizen to privately possess and carry in a peaceful manner firearms and similar arms. Such an individual rights interpretation is in full accord with the history of the right to keep and bear arms previously discussed...It accurately reflects the majority of proposals that lead up to the Bill of Rights itself.

NOW, THEREFORE, all existing or future so-called "gun and/or ammunition laws", of whatever name or form under "color of law", whether Federal, Federal Agency, Pseudo Federal Agency, State, County or Municipal that infringes, abridges or restricts in any manner, the God given, unalienable, indefeasible, Constitutional right of Citizens to keep and bear Arms peaceably, openly or concealed, for their defense of life, liberty, and property are prima facie violations of Article 1, Sec. 9, Part 3; Article 6, Part 2; and Amendments I, II, IV, IX, and X of the Constitution for the United States of America; Article 2; Sec. 1, Sec. 2, Sec. 4, Sec. 5, Sec. 27, and Sec. 29 of the Constitution for the State of Arkansas; and the Dick Act of 1902, and are NO LAW, ab initio, ultra vires, of no force and effect, incumbent upon no one to obey or any court to enforce.
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The Dick act!

You couldn't make it up.
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I'm in Colorado and people are not happy about this at all. Really stupid to ban a hunting shotgun in a state where hunting is a way of life to a lot of families.

Here is our local news report on it. [link to denver.cbslocal.com]
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Throw the bastards out! How fucking hard is it to go up there grab them by the shirt collar and throw their asses out on the damn streets and tell them to their fucking faces in front of God and everyone they are hereby fired! The reason why this is happening is because ya'll put up with it and you're scared to really do what's right once and for all.
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Well, considering that even talking about doing that can get you swat teamed, it's not too surprising that people are quite reluctant to actually DO it.
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DIA *Denver Airport* is a creepy place to visit first hand.
Has anyone seen the center tile dedicated to the NWO?



The people here will gladly go along with anything because they are so dumbed down.
Fluoride and Hypoxia is a bad combo.

Fuck Colorado!
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And fuck you, too! Have a nice day, from the heart of Colorado. hf
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There ya go... Fluoride in action.
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I read the actual bill.
That's how I know that you're lying.

You cited the only two exceptions in the entire bill. Neither of them cover shotguns.

All pump-action shotguns fit the definition of "high capacity magazines". Almost all semi-auto shotguns do as well.
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This Bill could never be interpreted to ban shotguns, just the high capacity magazines. As long as a shotgun didn't have one of those magazines attached, it would still be legal.
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I'm not going to argue with someone who can't read.

The bill only excludes .22s with tubular magazines and lever action rifles. Shotguns are specifically included:
"or more than 5 shotgun shells (large-capacity magazine)"
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The intent of the bill is clearly to ban high capacity magazines, not to ban any guns with stock magazines. Anyone who adds a high capacity magazine would be in violation. It sounds like they will add an amendment to make that more explicit. Shotguns will not be banned by this bill. Mark my words.
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It's people like this that allow the library's to get away wit this shit. They push and they push and they push to see how far they can get, then you have people coming out saying oh don't worry it's only high capacity magazines.

What part of shall not be I fringed do people not understand? These fuckers are slowly taking every right we have and they will take them all if we let them.

Remember the people who said they would never pass the patriot act? Ndaa? Drones over America? Toad people all said the same mark my words bullshit

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