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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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The only answer is an all out full blown revolution to completely rid this country of the mass corruption from gov't to corporations.
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ohappy "root problem is you mofo's not doing what I say" !
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
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The only answer is an all out full blown revolution to completely rid this country of the mass corruption from gov't to corporations.
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You might be right. As a father of two children, I fear for their future.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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The only answer is an all out full blown revolution to completely rid this country of the mass corruption from gov't to corporations.
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You might be right. As a father of two children, I fear for their future.
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I got 3 kids myself, I wish there was another way but I just don't see how.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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THE ROOT OF ALL "EVIL" IS

ALMOST FUCKEN EVERYONE. Big omelette en surprise.
Your arguments are invalid. Completely.
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but but obama said there would be change!

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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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THE ROOT OF ALL "EVIL" IS

ALMOST FUCKEN EVERYONE. Big omelette en surprise.
Your arguments are invalid. Completely.
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How so? Have we had a Libertarian President? Or one that says we need to get back to a more Constitutional America? Nope

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but but obama said there would be change!

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He did say he wanted to "fundamentally change America" problem is people didn't take him seriously
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Re: The root problem is Government.
Problem is mans inability to rise above self or the seven deadly sins.


sadly dinosaurs going extinct.
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Problem is mans inability to rise above self or the seven deadly sins.


sadly dinosaurs going extinct.
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ey I am not religious at all and I do not believe religion is needed to be a moral respectful principled man
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no

the root problem is "we the people"
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The root problem is people who want to enforce their will on others.
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government is only a tool to be used for good or bad. do you blame the gun or the shooter? bad government exists because of bad policy and corruption. good gov. exists because of good policies and people who uphold them. Blaming solely government for our problems is a result of misdirected frustration. understandably but not completely accurate.
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government is only a tool to be used for good or bad. do you blame the gun or the shooter? bad government exists because of bad policy and corruption. good gov. exists because of good policies and people who uphold them. Blaming solely government for our problems is a result of misdirected frustration. understandably but not completely accurate.
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Oh we are part of the problem but not the root problem. If the politicians kept to the constitution and weren't able to be bought off, we the people wouldn't have the ability to ask for hand outs.
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naaa the root problem is there's evil in the world. They're always has been and always will be governments. Utopia on earth will never exist. Various societies have tired it and most have failed. And government isn't all bad either. It helps to ensure civil society. Although it can start feeling a bit enslaving or surftum like at times. But I tend to think the societies and people who have it the best in the world, also tend to complain the most.
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we need another 'sequester' this one should be 10x bigger. just axe spending
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Liberal Logic - Demanding that the government stay out of their bedrooms while insisting on taxpayer funded birth control.
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Re: The root problem is Government.
Government is Collectivism.


Its forced Altruistic Sacrifice.








"The unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -- Adolph Hitler


"...we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men." -- Adolf Hitler, 10-7-33


"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." -- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, National Socialist German Workers' ("Nazi") Party


"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." -- Soviet Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev, addressing the 20th Congress of the Soviet Communist Party, 2-25-56
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Problem is mans inability to rise above self or the seven deadly sins.


sadly dinosaurs going extinct.
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ey I am not religious at all and I do not believe religion is needed to be a moral respectful principled man
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pride
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the problem is money...

the gov't is just a legitimate front for drug laundering, money laundering, and of course child pedophelia. all of these things are 'evil' but they all come back to the money.

The privately-owned Federal Reserve central bank is the root problem.
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the problem is money...

the gov't is just a legitimate front for drug laundering, money laundering, and of course child pedophelia. all of these things are 'evil' but they all come back to the money.

The privately-owned Federal Reserve central bank is the root problem.
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True yet if the FED didn't do the QE's Obama would have never gotten re elected. Everything would have crashed (which would be good) and everything would be on the way up by now. The problem is that the FED has been keeping politicians in office and kicking the cam down the road. All while screwing we the people and devaluing our dollars, which makes everything more expensive. FED + Government + big banks ='s the shit we are in today.
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Problem is mans inability to rise above self or the seven deadly sins.


sadly dinosaurs going extinct.
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ey I am not religious at all and I do not believe religion is needed to be a moral respectful principled man
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pride
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Exactly... So people look to GOD to guilt them into morals and principles? Myself... my principles and morals are set by myself and self worth and like you said pride. Pride in myself, wife, kids and family. Not some mythical character named JC or Horus or the Sun.
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They (fed inc) are a business and no "democratic" action will EVER change the business plan and model. Both dems and repubs work for the same business. They may disagree on how the business operates but ultimately, they want to keep the fed inc rolling. The fed inc. has share holders/investors who also generate revenue through the manipulation of the fed inc.’s policies and contractual relationships with its “citizens (corporate term).”

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There is over 100+ "agencies" listed which generate revenue and provide a product. That simple. This business uses "politics" as a front. This business is not interested in CONSUMER grievances.

If you are tired with the business plan/model, stop accepting their products.

They are not concerned with "rights" or "liberties" or "freedoms." These words are just legalize; utensils in a large dinner table of control and serfdom.

"FREEDOM:

(2) (a) A political right

(b) franchise, privilege

(Source: [link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to realitybloger.wordpress.com]


These people view the bulk of the earth as inhabitants/leeches/slime overtaking their precious resources. They have agendas in place to combat the doubling rate of our population and stop the overwhelming effects on our planets resources.

[link to www.google.com]

The constitution is a business contract that prohibits employee actions. However, as we've seen, the business who is in charge of creating and modifying the contract has the authority to change the existing contract.

If you have any faith in ANY of the people who work the fed inc business, you have already lost.

The only thing, and I do repeat: THE ONLY THING that will have any effect of the fed inc, will be the masses declining/objecting/refusing and not complying with any fed inc contract. Meet with people in your county, join a de jure (lawful) republic ( [link to republicfortheunitedstates.org] and decline help from the fed inc, and wherever possible, the state inc. as well.

At the very least, do not be a consumer!

[link to www.sedm.org] <<<Path to Freedom pdf.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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I am prepared for any eventuality but the one thing the government has on their side is the MSM...we are going to be nothing more than Chris Dorners if we don't preempt the physical revolution with diplomatic efforts to negotiate reason with the powers that be. We must attempt, no matter how frivolous, to avoid physical confrontation...which TPTB desperately want and actually think they can win...but its just like the devil and god...he's going to fight even though deep down he knows who the victor is.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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I am prepared for any eventuality but the one thing the government has on their side is the MSM...we are going to be nothing more than Chris Dorners if we don't preempt the physical revolution with diplomatic efforts to negotiate reason with the powers that be. We must attempt, no matter how frivolous, to avoid physical confrontation...which TPTB desperately want and actually think they can win...but its just like the devil and god...he's going to fight even though deep down he knows who the victor is.
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Agree, nothing good will come from using violence against the corporation. You have to outsmart it...
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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what i don't understand is that we realize (at least most of us do), the problems we have and the trouble we are in as a nation and yet we keep electing the same people who brought us here in the first place.

some of the people in congress have been around since i was a kid and every year there is the same fight the same "budget woes" the same blame game and the same people back-slapping each other and calling each other "my friend from across the aisle".

even if this sequestration, all it is is cuts in how much we will spend not real cuts to what is already being spent.

for instance if we spend 100 dollars on something this year the congress wants to spend 120 next year and the cuts in the budget will only allow congress to spend 119 dollars and this the democrats call draconian cuts????? only to scare those who depend on the gov for a living...and it works everytime thanks to the hysteria which the media gins up for obama...
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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what i don't understand is that we realize (at least most of us do), the problems we have and the trouble we are in as a nation and yet we keep electing the same people who brought us here in the first place.

some of the people in congress have been around since i was a kid and every year there is the same fight the same "budget woes" the same blame game and the same people back-slapping each other and calling each other "my friend from across the aisle".

even if this sequestration, all it is is cuts in how much we will spend not real cuts to what is already being spent.

for instance if we spend 100 dollars on something this year the congress wants to spend 120 next year and the cuts in the budget will only allow congress to spend 119 dollars and this the democrats call draconian cuts????? only to scare those who depend on the gov for a living...and it works everytime thanks to the hysteria which the media gins up for obama...
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I just explained it a few posts above. Your ability to "elect" someone is a sham...Try electing the next president/ceo of walmart...Evacuate everything you have learned about government, because what has been taught to you is all bs....

Its black/white. The business does what it wants, you dont like it, dont be an employee or franchise of the business. Are you actually frustrated and upset? Close our you social security acct. cut off all obligations as an employee of the corp.
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Re: The root problem is Government.
Inciting a revolution plays right into their hands.
What needs to happen is a general withdrawal of support.

Just stop cooperating, believe me they will notice and they will respond, most likely with violence, but the important thing to remember is they will be the ones firing the first shots giving we the people the moral high ground.

History shows in this type of conflict 1/3 are against it, 1/3 for it and 1/3 sit on the fence waiting to see who wins. By not inciting but responding you will swing the fence sitters to your side.

It won't be easy and it wont be without sacrifice but in the long run people will eventually see the central government and its enablers for the monsters that they are.