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The root problem is Government.

 
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
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 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


Here is the deal... and this is what ALL of us need to understand.

There is a reason things have gone the way they have in the last 30 years.

I will explain this in simple, easy to understand terms.

The entire political spectrum in this country has shifted to the far left.

In 1960 JFK was considered a liberal democrat. By todays standards he would be more conservative than ANY member of government in place now.

Think about that!

Todays "conservative republicans" are yesteryear's DEMOCRATS... todays "liberal democrats" are yesteryear's COUNTER CULTURE COMMUNISTS.

Thats right.. they are COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS and the president is a MARXIST!

Political philosophies that were never supposed to exist here.

The made a power grab and we let them.. they organized and took over the educational system, the media, the entertainment industry and now the government.

There you have it.. if you are a "democrat".. you are worshiping treasonous, murderous communist bastards.

If you are a republican you are worshiping leftist cooperative soft socialism.

As an AMERICAN, and true lover of liberty.. notice the word democracy was NOT used, there is only one political ideology that can fit.. jeffersonian libertarianism.

It is time for those of us that are still AMERICANS to get rid of the communist influence in this country. Joe McCarthy was right.
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Government is Collectivism.


Its forced Altruistic Sacrifice.








"The unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual; and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set the limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual." -- Adolph Hitler


"...we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men." -- Adolf Hitler, 10-7-33


"To be a socialist is to submit the I to the thou; socialism is sacrificing the individual to the whole." -- Joseph Goebbels, Minister of Propaganda, National Socialist German Workers' ("Nazi") Party


"Comrades! We must abolish the cult of the individual decisively, once and for all." -- Soviet Premier Nikita S. Khrushchev, addressing the 20th Congress of the Soviet Communist Party, 2-25-56
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Funny how you should quote a NATIONAL SOCIALIST, another Socialist and a marxist COMMUNIST there.

But there are so many idiots out there who went to a college and were told NAZIs were right wing that it really is hard to get the truth out.

The left does not want to take credit for their Nazi's.. why is that?
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Here is the deal... and this is what ALL of us need to understand.

There is a reason things have gone the way they have in the last 30 years.

I will explain this in simple, easy to understand terms.

The entire political spectrum in this country has shifted to the far left.

In 1960 JFK was considered a liberal democrat. By todays standards he would be more conservative than ANY member of government in place now.

Think about that!

Todays "conservative republicans" are yesteryear's DEMOCRATS... todays "liberal democrats" are yesteryear's COUNTER CULTURE COMMUNISTS.

Thats right.. they are COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS and the president is a MARXIST!

Political philosophies that were never supposed to exist here.

The made a power grab and we let them.. they organized and took over the educational system, the media, the entertainment industry and now the government.

There you have it.. if you are a "democrat".. you are worshiping treasonous, murderous communist bastards.

If you are a republican you are worshiping leftist cooperative soft socialism.

As an AMERICAN, and true lover of liberty.. notice the word democracy was NOT used, there is only one political ideology that can fit.. jeffersonian libertarianism.

It is time for those of us that are still AMERICANS to get rid of the communist influence in this country. Joe McCarthy was right.

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Exactly correct.

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the problem is money...

the gov't is just a legitimate front for drug laundering, money laundering, and of course child pedophelia. all of these things are 'evil' but they all come back to the money.

The privately-owned Federal Reserve central bank is the root problem.
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Those are just the past times of corrupt communists.

A just and moral constitutionally restricted government would not engage in those activities.
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They (fed inc) are a business and no "democratic" action will EVER change the business plan and model. Both dems and repubs work for the same business. They may disagree on how the business operates but ultimately, they want to keep the fed inc rolling. The fed inc. has share holders/investors who also generate revenue through the manipulation of the fed inc.’s policies and contractual relationships with its “citizens (corporate term).”

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There is over 100+ "agencies" listed which generate revenue and provide a product. That simple. This business uses "politics" as a front. This business is not interested in CONSUMER grievances.

If you are tired with the business plan/model, stop accepting their products.

They are not concerned with "rights" or "liberties" or "freedoms." These words are just legalize; utensils in a large dinner table of control and serfdom.

"FREEDOM:

(2) (a) A political right

(b) franchise, privilege

(Source: [link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to realitybloger.wordpress.com]


These people view the bulk of the earth as inhabitants/leeches/slime overtaking their precious resources. They have agendas in place to combat the doubling rate of our population and stop the overwhelming effects on our planets resources.

[link to www.google.com]

The constitution is a business contract that prohibits employee actions. However, as we've seen, the business who is in charge of creating and modifying the contract has the authority to change the existing contract.

If you have any faith in ANY of the people who work the fed inc business, you have already lost.

The only thing, and I do repeat: THE ONLY THING that will have any effect of the fed inc, will be the masses declining/objecting/refusing and not complying with any fed inc contract. Meet with people in your county, join a de jure (lawful) republic ( [link to republicfortheunitedstates.org] and decline help from the fed inc, and wherever possible, the state inc. as well.

At the very least, do not be a consumer!

[link to www.sedm.org] <<<Path to Freedom pdf.
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there is no such thing as "democratic" action in this country. We are a land of law.. with government being bound by the supreme law of the land, the constitution... not a tyranny of the majority .. which is EXACTLY what a "democracy" is. Stop using that foul fucking word and stop perpetuating a lie.
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We have been heading down this road since the early 1900"s.Some have stood and tried to steer the country in the right direction But we called them fools and nut jobs.Why?We have been taught by government run and financed schools.It's time to break the cult and return to a truly free and prosperous nation its all in the Constitution.No need for violence educate your self,spread the word,be part of the process!
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


what i don't understand is that we realize (at least most of us do), the problems we have and the trouble we are in as a nation and yet we keep electing the same people who brought us here in the first place.

some of the people in congress have been around since i was a kid and every year there is the same fight the same "budget woes" the same blame game and the same people back-slapping each other and calling each other "my friend from across the aisle".

even if this sequestration, all it is is cuts in how much we will spend not real cuts to what is already being spent.

for instance if we spend 100 dollars on something this year the congress wants to spend 120 next year and the cuts in the budget will only allow congress to spend 119 dollars and this the democrats call draconian cuts????? only to scare those who depend on the gov for a living...and it works everytime thanks to the hysteria which the media gins up for obama...
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Because at this time... they are electing themselves. This idiot in the whitehouse was never "elected"... he used ACORN to commit massive voter fraud the first round... and did the same with the actual vote count this time around.. hell my own voting precinct has 140% turnout.. thats right 40% more votes than registered voters.
How does that happen.. and it happened in every state in the union.. his votes were counted overseaes.. in spain.

When you have a system and conspirators in place who will cooperate with you to rig "elections".. you can vote yourself in... just like this kenyan cocksucker did.. 2 times now.

there is your answer. i don't know a single individual that "voted" for that piece of shit this time... even out of those idiots that did the first time.

the communists cheated.. it's what they do.
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Inciting a revolution plays right into their hands.
What needs to happen is a general withdrawal of support.

Just stop cooperating, believe me they will notice and they will respond, most likely with violence, but the important thing to remember is they will be the ones firing the first shots giving we the people the moral high ground.

History shows in this type of conflict 1/3 are against it, 1/3 for it and 1/3 sit on the fence waiting to see who wins. By not inciting but responding you will swing the fence sitters to your side.

It won't be easy and it wont be without sacrifice but in the long run people will eventually see the central government and its enablers for the monsters that they are.
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i agree with you, armed revolution is ABSOLUTELY the wrong thing to do. who would we be fighting, our own sisters and brothers? no thank you...

your idea of withdrawing support is perfect and must start with the media first and then giving up membership in either party and becoming an independent.

the third thing is letting newly elected officials that if they don't do the job we will fire them too...


one more thought, i have seen newly elected republicans who try to make a difference and try to make changes only to find themselves under fire from both democraps AND establishment republicans. the new repub stands alone without support from us...that must change.
 Quoting: davvi


^^^^^^^^


and this is the problem with estrogen, as well as putting it in government.

Are you high?

Woman you have read this thread, commented seen the facts and STILL think "republicans" are the answer.

NO.. they are not!

YOU CANNOT vote anyone anywhere.. they rig the vote to do what they want it to do. The ONLY thing that is going to change their minds is a bullet.

As long as we sit and take it they will continue to dish it out, you can appeal to tyrants, i will kill them.

Wake up.. none of those people are our "brothers and sisters" they are power hungry monsters who would eat your heart for dinner.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


America, UK and Israel now is Germany then: Analogies

The German people of the late 1930s imagined themselves to be brave. They saw themselves as the heroic Germans depicted by the Wagnerian Operas, the descendants of the fierce Germanic warriors who had hunted wild boar with nothing but spears and who had defeated three of Rome's mightiest legions in the Tuetenberg Forest.

But in truth, by the 1930s, the German people had become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery was both salve and slavery. Germans were required to behave as if they were brave, even when they were not.

It's easy to look back and realize what happened. But at the time the Hitler administration, with the help of the media, looked pretty good to the German people. Hitler was TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year in 1938; the German people assumed they were safe from a tyrant. They lived in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government could and more importantly could not do. Their leader was a devoutly religious man, and had even sung with the boy's choir of a monastery in his youth.

The reality was that the German people, as individuals, had lost their courage. The German government preferred it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But the German people didn't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding individual courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the German people simply pretended that the situation did not exist. And in that simple self-deception lay the ruin of an entire nation and the coming of the second World War.

When the Reichstag burned down, most Germans simply refused to believe suggestions that the fire had been staged by the Hitler administration itself. They were afraid to. But so trapped were the Germans by their belief in their own bravery that they willed themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they could nod in agreement with Der Fuhrer while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoided the one situation which most required real courage: to stand up to governmental lies and deceptions.

When the Hitler administration requested temporary extraordinary powers; powers specifically banned under German law, but powers the government claimed they needed to have to deal with the "terrorists", the German people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, agreed. The temporary powers were conferred, and, once conferred, lasted until Germany itself was destroyed.

When the Hitler administration staged a phony invasion by Poland, the vast majority of the German people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to their government's deceptions, did not question why Poland would have done something so stupid as to attack Germany, and as a result Germans found themselves in a war.

But the German government knew they ruled a nation of cowards, and knew they had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. They decorated their troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. The Hitler administration copied the parade regalia of ancient Rome, to remind the Germans of the defeat of the legions at the Tuetenberg Forest. Talismans were added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fell in battle.

Knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, the Hitler administration spent vast sums of money on wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.

The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to the government's lies and deceptions. Sent into battle by that false image of courage, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the delusion of grandeur faded, the illusion ended, the Germans lost the war.

The American people imagine themselves to be brave. They see themselves as the heroic Americans depicted by Western Movies, the descendants of the fierce patriot warriors who had tamed the frontier and defeated the might of the British Empire.

But in truth, by the dawn of the third millennium, the American people have become civilized and tamed, culturally obsessed with fine details in both science and society. Their self-image of bravery is both salve and slavery. Americans are required to behave as if they are brave, even when they are not.

The American people assume they are safe. They live in a Republic, after all, with strict laws regarding what the government can and more importantly cannot do. Their leader is a devoutly religious man and with the help of the media looks petty good: TIME Magazine's Man Of The Year 2000 and 2004.

The reality is that the American people, as individuals, have lost their courage. The government prefers it that way as a fearful people are easier to rule than a courageous one. But Americans don't wish to lose their self-image of courage. So, when confronted with a situation demanding courage, in the form of a government gone wrong, the American people simply pretend that the situation does not exist.

When the World Trade Towers collapsed, most Americans simply refused to believe suggestions that the attacks had been staged by parties working for the US government itself. Americans were afraid to, even as news reports surfaced proving that the US government had announced plans for the invasion of Afghanistan early in the year, plans into which the attacks on the World Trade Towers which angered the American people into support of the already-planned war fit entirely too conveniently.

Now the US government has requested temporary extraordinary powers, powers specifically banned under Constitutional law, but powers the government is claiming they need to have to deal with the "terrorists". The American people, having already sold their souls to their self-delusions, are agreeing. The temporary powers recently conferred will be no more temporary in America than they were in Germany.

The vast majority of the American people, their own self-image dependant on continuing blindness to the government's deceptions, never question why Afghanistan would have done something so stupid as to attack the United States, and as a result, Americans find themselves in a war.

The US government knows they rule a nation of cowards. The government has had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards can fight. The government has decorated the troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Talismans are added from orthodox religions and the occult to fill the soldiers with delusions of mystical strengths and an afterlife if they fall in battle.

Knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, the United States government has spent vast sums of money on wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, cruise missiles, and guided missiles, weapons that kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they are doing.

But so trapped are Americans by their belief in their own bravery that they will themselves to be blind to the evidence before their eyes, so that they can nod in agreement with the government while still imagining themselves to have courage, even as they avoid the one situation which most requires real courage; to stand up to the government's lies and deceptions. When the wonder-weapons stop working, the delusion of grandeur fades, the illusion ends, the Americans will have lost ..... themselves.

The lesson from these facts is that it isn't easy to spot a genocidal tyrant when you live with one, especially one whom the press supports and promotes. Tyrants become obvious only when looking back, after what they have done becomes known. The German people did not stand up to the Hitler administration because their media betrayed them, just as the American media is betraying the American people by willingly, voluntarily, even proudly, abandoning its traditional role as watchdog against government abuse.

It is naive, not to mention racist, to assume that tyrants appear only in other nations and that somehow America is immune simply because "we're Americans".

America has escaped the clutches of a dictatorship thus far only through the efforts of those citizens who, unlike the Germans of the 1930s, have the moral courage to stand up and point out where the government is lying to the people. And unless more Americans are willing to have that kind of individual courage, then future generations may well look back on the American people with the same harshness of judgement with which we look back on the 1930s Germans.

History is a great teacher.

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And National Socialists were responsible then as well...
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Actually the root problem is the Progressive movement. Many, if not most of the leaders are following this insane philosophy, and have us fighting ourselves instead of them.
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Unless you are a Democrat, or a Republican, you are not represented by these people.

Taxes should be thought of as 'club dues'. The people who derive some benefit from the special interest group masquerading as a government should by all means continue to support it.
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The root problem is ego.
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The head of the snake.

Pride, self importance, legacy... empty values.

Look at things from out there in the cosmos. We are a vitually invisible speck in tiny band of light. We are not as significant as we think we are. Time moves on. Everything is forgotten at some point. Teach ego the truth and it is controllable. Be humble because you are no more significant than an earthworm.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


Here is the deal... and this is what ALL of us need to understand.

There is a reason things have gone the way they have in the last 30 years.

I will explain this in simple, easy to understand terms.

The entire political spectrum in this country has shifted to the far left.

In 1960 JFK was considered a liberal democrat. By todays standards he would be more conservative than ANY member of government in place now.

Think about that!

Todays "conservative republicans" are yesteryear's DEMOCRATS... todays "liberal democrats" are yesteryear's COUNTER CULTURE COMMUNISTS.

Thats right.. they are COMMUNISTS, SOCIALISTS and the president is a MARXIST!

Political philosophies that were never supposed to exist here.

The made a power grab and we let them.. they organized and took over the educational system, the media, the entertainment industry and now the government.

There you have it.. if you are a "democrat".. you are worshiping treasonous, murderous communist bastards.

If you are a republican you are worshiping leftist cooperative soft socialism.

As an AMERICAN, and true lover of liberty.. notice the word democracy was NOT used, there is only one political ideology that can fit.. jeffersonian libertarianism.

It is time for those of us that are still AMERICANS to get rid of the communist influence in this country. Joe McCarthy was right.

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the problem is money...

the gov't is just a legitimate front for drug laundering, money laundering, and of course child pedophelia. all of these things are 'evil' but they all come back to the money.

The privately-owned Federal Reserve central bank is the root problem.
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True yet if the FED didn't do the QE's Obama would have never gotten re elected. Everything would have crashed (which would be good) and everything would be on the way up by now. The problem is that the FED has been keeping politicians in office and kicking the cam down the road. All while screwing we the people and devaluing our dollars, which makes everything more expensive. FED + Government + big banks ='s the shit we are in today.
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Wrong. QE had nothing to do with saving the economy. They Bailed out banks owned by them to free credit. So they gave themselves money, put the bill on us with interest, and spent the money on themselves. Just the bailouts alone could have paid every mortgage in america. Didn't see that did ya.

Companies and some small banks would have went under but that would have been good. The big banks would have been fine. Hell they didn't even hold the fucking notes anymore, they sold them on the open market. The PMI insurance would have went under, but most did anyway.

The QE b.s was just more crap to inflate the dollar putting us on the ROAD TO COLLAPSE. There was still a chance before the bailouts and the QE's. And collapse is what the fed wants 100%.

If you collapse the U.S. everything falls apart. Then the U.N. comes in and faces only small resistance. Militia groups, but under the collapse their will be no organized resistance. Or at least not how it would be if we formed unity before.

This is the whole goal. Get as many guns as possible, especially in populated areas. Collapse the system. Then come in under the flag of humanitary and take over.

The owners of the fed don't live here. They control the U.N.
With the U.S out of the way, NWO--one world gov happens.

Are gov. is all bought and paid. No normal man has 2 million to run for house or senate. More than that in bigger states. And forget trying for president. The only chance we have is unity and strike now, but it won't happen and we will face a very biblical ending.
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but but obama said there would be change!

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He did say he wanted to "fundamentally change America" problem is people didn't take him seriously
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


NLP 101:

He gives a half-assed statement, about fundamental change.

Everyone wants change for the better

Everyone projects their idea of change, and thus agrees with the statement.

They vote for the man who claims to give them what they want.

And the people fall for these loaded statements EVERY time! It's so predictable.
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
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the bottom line is either our government is extremely incompetent, or it's intentional, and i think it's the latter.
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Sadly, people still think voting will work. Our votes don't count and they haven't for a long time. Take a look at what happened at the RNC and the DNC this past year. The proof is in the pudding.
militia
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I apologize if the truth is offensive to you.I think the real problem is to many PEOPLE like you.Get off your chair and get involved.Local school board,Village hall meeting,Gun rights advocacy group,hell even the PTA.Don't sit there and piss and moan about a government that you are to afraid or lazy to get involved in.I know because I was always to busy or to lazy or even timid.Educate yourself spread the word.Stand for your rights,Its one of your inalienable rights! A constitutional republic cannot survive without you!
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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the bottom line is either our government is extremely incompetent, or it's intentional, and i think it's the latter.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20212099

bingo! we aren't dealing with stupid incompetent people here... they are smart and know exactly what they are doing as they are filling their pockets with our money all why destroying our children's futures and kill the Constitution
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Sadly, people still think voting will work. Our votes don't count and they haven't for a long time. Take a look at what happened at the RNC and the DNC this past year. The proof is in the pudding.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


I apologize if the truth is offensive to you.I think the real problem is to many PEOPLE like you.Get off your chair and get involved.Local school board,Village hall meeting,Gun rights advocacy group,hell even the PTA.Don't sit there and piss and moan about a government that you are to afraid or lazy to get involved in.I know because I was always to busy or to lazy or even timid.Educate yourself spread the word.Stand for your rights,Its one of your inalienable rights! A constitutional republic cannot survive without you!
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Actually I take my apology back.Screw PC
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People just don't get it when it comes to election time. The key to prevent corruption is to clean house, literally of all incumbents at each election.
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U right!
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Sadly, people still think voting will work. Our votes don't count and they haven't for a long time. Take a look at what happened at the RNC and the DNC this past year. The proof is in the pudding.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


I apologize if the truth is offensive to you.I think the real problem is to many PEOPLE like you.Get off your chair and get involved.Local school board,Village hall meeting,Gun rights advocacy group,hell even the PTA.Don't sit there and piss and moan about a government that you are to afraid or lazy to get involved in.I know because I was always to busy or to lazy or even timid.Educate yourself spread the word.Stand for your rights,Its one of your inalienable rights! A constitutional republic cannot survive without you!
 Quoting: RomeoKiller

not offended at all being that you have no idea who I am or what I do or who I do it for...
don't be so quick to judge. Maybe I am someone already standing up and screaming as my voice might already be influencing.
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As long as you think that the root of the problem is government, the evils in this world will NEVER be resolved.

Another major problem is that the media only publishes information which is to the economic benefit of TPTB, including Judaeo-Chrsitianity-Islamism, Inc.

Another major problem is that the monotheistic religious 'authorities' have turned their respetive Revelations upside down; thus preventing anyone from knowing the Truth. ("My people perish for lack of Knowledge.")

And another problem is that the 'fallen' consciousness does not CARE about the Truth; only pleasure and entertainment, for example, the entertainment of religion masquerading as Truth.

Government is merely the manifestation of a much deeper problem.

"For every thousand who are hacking at the branches of evil, there is ONE who is striking at the root."

Government is merely the branches of evil.

The lies and errors of 'monotheistic' theology are the ROOT of evil.

And it is more like 'for every BILLION hacking at the branches of evil..."

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first of all, never ever put "judeo-christian" in the same sentence with islam that is like doing the old sesame street skit of "one of these things is not like the other; one of these things just doesn't belong."

government became the manifestation of evil when the unscrupulous figured out they could buy themselves into power with taxpayer money. what we have now is culmination of decades of "buying" with government benefits, the truly stupid and allowing the stupid to decide who will take from the self-sufficient and give it to the parasites.

some people think there is too much god in this world? i say there is not enough god in government and we need more not less. when there is no moral authority above government, government becomes the god.
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Sadly, people still think voting will work. Our votes don't count and they haven't for a long time. Take a look at what happened at the RNC and the DNC this past year. The proof is in the pudding.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


I apologize if the truth is offensive to you.I think the real problem is to many PEOPLE like you.Get off your chair and get involved.Local school board,Village hall meeting,Gun rights advocacy group,hell even the PTA.Don't sit there and piss and moan about a government that you are to afraid or lazy to get involved in.I know because I was always to busy or to lazy or even timid.Educate yourself spread the word.Stand for your rights,Its one of your inalienable rights! A constitutional republic cannot survive without you!
 Quoting: RomeoKiller

not offended at all being that you have no idea who I am or what I do or who I do it for...
don't be so quick to judge. Maybe I am someone already standing up and screaming as my voice might already be influencing.
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


My comment may not be so much aimed at you but more as a general comment.I probably should have not used you.

Last Edited by RomeoKiller on 03/03/2013 12:30 PM
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Folks if We the People are ever to fix things in government, we need to stop the blame game. I too used to blame one party for the failures in American politics. At 38, the past 13 years have proven to me that both Democrats and Republicans are in on it. You don't spending like our government does and have one side at blame. You don't have the Constitution being shredded by one side, but by both sides. Until we stop the blame game and come to the conclusion that both parties are the problem, nothing will be fixed. Honestly, it is past the point of being fixed. You don't pay back over 16.5 trillion and you don't get the rights and liberties back both parties have taken from We the People. remember when Republicans said to elect them in 2010 and they would stop spending and get rid of Barrycare? Hummm? never happened, right? NDAA The Patriot Act? Both passed by both Demos and Repubs. So what happens? I don't claim to have the answer but I do know Republicans and Democrats are the not the answer. We the People are the answer if a majority wakes up. Until then... we will continue down a unconstitutional road to demise and it's paved with our tax dollars. We are funding our own demise.
militia
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The only answer is an all out full blown revolution to completely rid this country of the mass corruption from gov't to corporations.
 Quoting: Channelingmyself


There's a better way. Stop paying taxes and then declare a special election to vote out the top legislators in both parties. How do you stop paying taxes? Change your exemptions to the highest number possible and very little or no taxes will be deducted from your paycheck.

Form a new party, We the People, to elect new legislators. Those are the first steps. Now someone else who knows more about politics can take it from here.
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Sadly, people still think voting will work. Our votes don't count and they haven't for a long time. Take a look at what happened at the RNC and the DNC this past year. The proof is in the pudding.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


I apologize if the truth is offensive to you.I think the real problem is to many PEOPLE like you.Get off your chair and get involved.Local school board,Village hall meeting,Gun rights advocacy group,hell even the PTA.Don't sit there and piss and moan about a government that you are to afraid or lazy to get involved in.I know because I was always to busy or to lazy or even timid.Educate yourself spread the word.Stand for your rights,Its one of your inalienable rights! A constitutional republic cannot survive without you!
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


If you truly believe your vote still counts than you really need to wake up.

Do a statistical study of what each canidate spent running for a house or senate seat in the last 10 years. Then look at what has been spent for running for president. Then tell me that you vote counts.

Only super rich get elected. Or super rich fund who gets elected. Even if your not super rich, you still don't get 2 million donated to your campaign, get elected, and then tell the people that donated to screw off.

The media is bought and paid. Even with the super canidates you still had a few needs to fix voting. You had voting fraud all across the board in the last 10 years.

Yes you might be able to get involved in local politics but thats it.

The only thing these people fear is us rising up. Politics is gone. Dems and Rep are the same. Maybe when you talk about getting involved, talk about teaching people about what is going on and that we need unity and the R word.

The R word is the only hope. Anything else is giving false hope and an illustion that we are not passed the line of change.
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Sadly, people still think voting will work. Our votes don't count and they haven't for a long time. Take a look at what happened at the RNC and the DNC this past year. The proof is in the pudding.
militia
 Quoting: Sleeping Giant16


I apologize if the truth is offensive to you.I think the real problem is to many PEOPLE like you.Get off your chair and get involved.Local school board,Village hall meeting,Gun rights advocacy group,hell even the PTA.Don't sit there and piss and moan about a government that you are to afraid or lazy to get involved in.I know because I was always to busy or to lazy or even timid.Educate yourself spread the word.Stand for your rights,Its one of your inalienable rights! A constitutional republic cannot survive without you!
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


If you truly believe your vote still counts than you really need to wake up.

Do a statistical study of what each canidate spent running for a house or senate seat in the last 10 years. Then look at what has been spent for running for president. Then tell me that you vote counts.

Only super rich get elected. Or super rich fund who gets
elected. Even if your not super rich, you still don't get 2 million donated to your campaign, get elected, and then tell the people that donated to screw off.

The media is bought and paid. Even with the super canidates you still had a few needs to fix voting. You had voting fraud all across the board in the last 10 years.

Yes you might be able to get involved in local politics but thats it.

The only thing these people fear is us rising up. Politics is gone. Dems and Rep are the same. Maybe when you talk about getting involved, talk about teaching people about what is going on and that we need unity and the R word.

The R word is the only hope. Anything else is giving false hope and an illustion that we are not passed the line of change.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13371913


We have to take the D and R of the ballots.Make them use there name not the party.
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They (fed inc) are a business and no "democratic" action will EVER change the business plan and model. Both dems and repubs work for the same business. They may disagree on how the business operates but ultimately, they want to keep the fed inc rolling. The fed inc. has share holders/investors who also generate revenue through the manipulation of the fed inc.’s policies and contractual relationships with its “citizens (corporate term).”

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There is over 100+ "agencies" listed which generate revenue and provide a product. That simple. This business uses "politics" as a front. This business is not interested in CONSUMER grievances.

If you are tired with the business plan/model, stop accepting their products.

They are not concerned with "rights" or "liberties" or "freedoms." These words are just legalize; utensils in a large dinner table of control and serfdom.

"FREEDOM:

(2) (a) A political right

(b) franchise, privilege

(Source: [link to www.merriam-webster.com]

[link to realitybloger.wordpress.com]


These people view the bulk of the earth as inhabitants/leeches/slime overtaking their precious resources. They have agendas in place to combat the doubling rate of our population and stop the overwhelming effects on our planets resources.

[link to www.google.com]

The constitution is a business contract that prohibits employee actions. However, as we've seen, the business who is in charge of creating and modifying the contract has the authority to change the existing contract.

If you have any faith in ANY of the people who work the fed inc business, you have already lost.

The only thing, and I do repeat: THE ONLY THING that will have any effect of the fed inc, will be the masses declining/objecting/refusing and not complying with any fed inc contract. Meet with people in your county, join a de jure (lawful) republic ( [link to republicfortheunitedstates.org] and decline help from the fed inc, and wherever possible, the state inc. as well.

At the very least, do not be a consumer!

[link to www.sedm.org] <<<Path to Freedom pdf.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1565431


there is no such thing as "democratic" action in this country. We are a land of law.. with government being bound by the supreme law of the land, the constitution... not a tyranny of the majority .. which is EXACTLY what a "democracy" is. Stop using that foul fucking word and stop perpetuating a lie.
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The fed corporation formed a de facto, (of fact, not law)democratic form of government. Right around the creation of the fed...the fed inc is exempt from law, that is a fact. nothing what i said was a lie and im not sure what your point was...i read law, then i type it in this little box so you can understand.

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