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Witness: Emergency Responders En Route to Sandy Hook Stopped at Red Lights

 
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Witness: Emergency Responders En Route to Sandy Hook Stopped at Red Lights
Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


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Cause of Idiot drivers who are texting or talking on their precious iPhones and are to busy to watch for emergency vehicles
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Cause of Idiot drivers who are texting or talking on their precious iPhones and are to busy to watch for emergency vehicles
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Right I'm sure they just waited behind the texters while kids were getting shot.

Makes perfect sense.
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Come on listen to what she says at 0:23

'Normally they stop at the light and then go through, but these cars stopped...figured it wasn't that serious...'
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Come on listen to what she says at 0:23

'Normally they stop at the light and then go through, but these cars stopped...figured it wasn't that serious...'
 Quoting: Gladio


9:00 ... 9:30.. it's not donuts time?


no, more seriously, it's a very hot point.
i already answered when you posted this video. It looks evident that police failed.
they feel guilty.
so Sandy Hook, hoax or not, police will try to cover their mistakes.

I've read somewhere witness, i think emergency worker, coming back home after nightshit. She hears sirens, and though it was again "hoax" call, like previous week.
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From Connecticut Post:


"She turns her pager on. She hears sirens. Lots of sirens. Dispatch is sending an ambulance to stand by at the church. Looking out her window, she sees town police and state troopers flying down Dickinson toward the school, sirens screaming and lights flashing.

Dahlmeyer kicks her dogs out of the way, throws on her blue EMT uniform, grabs her radio and jumps into her tan Toyota FJ Cruiser. She heads for the Methodist church on Church Hill Road, about a half mile from her house.

She knows the crew will be there, but they won't know why because the dispatcher didn't put it out on the radio
."

Read more: [link to www.newstimes.com]

WTF does that mean?

Earlier in the same article:

"Around 9:30 a.m., the Newtown police dispatch operator alerts units that a caller has reported a shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School."
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


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 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


I agree that's a valid question, but it's certainly not the only question.
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Check this out:


"Officer William Chapman bolts from his desk and out to his cruiser. The school is three miles away -- up the hill, a right on Church Hill Road, under Interstate 84 and by the shops and restaurants of Sandy Hook's four corners and past the cemetery with its leaning gray tombstones dating to 1813. Then a hard right on Dickinson to get back to the school. He tells himself to stay calm, to drive swiftly but safely.

He listens to the dispatch reports on his cruiser radio. He has his rifle ready as he pulls into the school parking lot.

There are nine or 10 other Newtown officers there, including Chief Michael Kehoe. Chapman hears rifle fire inside the school. He and Officer Scott Smith charge through the front door, where the glass has been shot out, while Kehoe and another officer go in through a side entrance.

This is serious, he thinks
."



Read more: [link to www.newstimes.com]

So the "9 or 10" officers already there wait for Chapman to show up before entering the building?? While they are all still hearing shooting??

"This is serious, he thinks."

putin
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


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 Quoting: Gladio


KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
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i found it:

“I thought it was going to be a false alarm,” Hicks tells TIME, remembering the call last week. Gunshots fired inside an elementary school? No. Not here, she thought.

[link to lightbox.time.com]


so.. police was tricked, by false alarm? week before.

and the big radio hoax in summer?
[link to www.nbcnewyork.com]

(why not to test the radio...)
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


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 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


I agree that's a valid question, but it's certainly not the only question.
 Quoting: Gladio


OR he was just another retarted kid, and there are many of them these days, that got mad at a computer game and took it out on his computer. OMG SIR HE WOULD NEVER HAVE DONE THAT NORMAL PEOPLE DONT DO THAT. If anyone gives me that garbage pleaseeee look at the site you are on..
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KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


volunters go with his own car to the firestation.

so it must be firetruck from other part of the city that come to help the firestation at 12th dickinson dr.?
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i found it:

“I thought it was going to be a false alarm,” Hicks tells TIME, remembering the call last week. Gunshots fired inside an elementary school? No. Not here, she thought.

[link to lightbox.time.com]


so.. police was tricked, by false alarm? week before.

and the big radio hoax in summer?
[link to www.nbcnewyork.com]

(why not to test the radio...)
 Quoting: Fred-S


bump

this deserves it's own thread (if there isn't one already)
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KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


volunters go with his own car to the firestation.

so it must be firetruck from other part of the city that come to help the firestation at 12th dickinson dr.?
 Quoting: Fred-S


Sir not all volunteer firefighters go directly to the station, i know this for a fact as i have over 12 vf in my family. Alot just report to the scene by whatever means they can get there. Hell ive seen a guy with a flashlight taped to his dash and a red lens over the light, he turns on the strobe feature and uses that as his emerg light. There are alot of dumb laws that prevent vf from responding as fast as they should be allowed too. In some states they basically just drive to the scene in their normal car, no speeding, no rushing, just get there. Sad but true, im not saying 100 percent that this is the case here im just offering up a very plausibnle reason after she clearly states that who she witnessed were the volunteers and not actual first responders.
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


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 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


This is assuming they were even smashed in the first place. In this interview, Vance gives no indication at all that they were smashed.

Wolf mentions reports that the hard drive was smashed @ around 5:23 in the video. Vance's response:

"It's interesting that that information is out there. The way we do these types of cases is I am the only spokesman relative to this investigation. The only person who has personal knowledge about of we can and cannot say.I don't even know what was ceased in that house. The investigators have not provided me with that information because we don't detail the evidence." (What?!?!?).

To me, this sounds like he is indicating that it was not smashed. It sounds as if he's saying that information is out there, but because it didn't come from him, it's inaccurate. That's my take on it anyway.

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Sir not all volunteer firefighters go directly to the station, i know this for a fact as i have over 12 vf in my family. Alot just report to the scene by whatever means they can get there. Hell ive seen a guy with a flashlight taped to his dash and a red lens over the light, he turns on the strobe feature and uses that as his emerg light. There are alot of dumb laws that prevent vf from responding as fast as they should be allowed too. In some states they basically just drive to the scene in their normal car, no speeding, no rushing, just get there. Sad but true, im not saying 100 percent that this is the case here im just offering up a very plausibnle reason after she clearly states that who she witnessed were the volunteers and not actual first responders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


i know.. i am vf too. but in the video, the old lady talk about cars, first responders cars.
to know it first responders cars, it must be tagged cars (police, fire, ambulance) or she cant know they are "first responder".
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@ AnonymousGirl:

A "law enforcement source" told CT Post that they DID recover data from the hard drives:

[link to www.ctpost.com]

Of course, that didn't come straight from Vance's lips, so can we trust it? wink wink
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Cause of Idiot drivers who are texting or talking on their precious iPhones and are to busy to watch for emergency vehicles
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35482250


I saw an emergency responder run a light because his coffee was getting cold and his meal was settling from the diner we just walked out of .

You're telling me 24 dead or dying kids isn't even enough?

Hmm, you know what. You're right. We need more dead kids.
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@ AnonymousGirl:

A "law enforcement source" told CT Post that they DID recover data from the hard drives:

[link to www.ctpost.com]

Of course, that didn't come straight from Vance's lips, so can we trust it? wink wink
 Quoting: Gladio


We couldn't trust it either way. Unless I can see it with my own eyes, I don't trust a thing when it comes to this case.
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


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 Quoting: Gladio


Because nearly everyone involved in Sandy Hook thought they were playing set roles in a drill. Sirens and emergency speeding are inherently dangerous and for that reason are not used in drills - just like live ammunition. Those running a drill - DHS, FEMA, State Police would be liable for any injuries, death, and destruction.

I think Sandy Hook was a long-term, well-planned drill that threw the leading agencies into utter panic when at some point their drill "went live". Unlike fatalities caused by a speeding emergency vehicle the liability to the state of gunshot victims was unfathomable and unacceptable. I think this is the reason no EMTs were let into the building and no victims were brought out in daylight.
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Because nearly everyone involved in Sandy Hook thought they were playing set roles in a drill. Sirens and emergency speeding are inherently dangerous and for that reason are not used in drills - just like live ammunition. Those running a drill - DHS, FEMA, State Police would be liable for any injuries, death, and destruction.

I think Sandy Hook was a long-term, well-planned drill that threw the leading agencies into utter panic when at some point their drill "went live". Unlike fatalities caused by a speeding emergency vehicle the liability to the state of gunshot victims was unfathomable and unacceptable. I think this is the reason no EMTs were let into the building and no victims were brought out in daylight.
 Quoting: Phylax


Interesting observations.
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If anyone has other information on emergency response to Sandy Hook, please post.
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Listen to the 30 second mark, she says volunteer first responders, not state trooper, I.E. the fire company. If you dont already know, fire companies dont go rushing into active shooter areas, that is the job of the police. So they took their time getting there, probably to allow time to let the police do their job.

While I do agree the Sandy Hook story is shady, stop over analyzing everything, jesus.
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If anyone has other information on emergency response to Sandy Hook, please post.
 Quoting: Gladio


Excellent timeline!
With new (for me) information:

Newtown Sandy Hook School Massacre: Updated Timeline, Chronological Assemblage of Coverage
By James F. Tracy
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]
Quote:

January 30
.. Redding CT Police Chief Douglas Fuchs states: “By 9:45 that morning I found myself with two other Redding police officers and Redding EMF standing in the parking lot of Sandy Hook School.” First reports of shots being fired at Sandy Hook was at 9:35AM. The distance from the Redding Police Department to Sandy Hook Elementary is 11.9 miles and takes 26 minutes to travel at legal speed. Assuming Fuchs and his cohorts were traveling at twice the legal speed (120MPH) to the school it would take them 13 minutes to arrive at 9:45AM. This is assuming there were in fact calls for backup to surrounding communities. Mark Follman and Brett Brownell, “WATCH: Newtown Parents Speak Out,” Mother Jones, February 8, 2013.

A well prepared operation!
 Quoting: emanuelG



here is interesting emanuel post... because it's total oposite. Redding police drive very fast... or were already near.
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Listen to the 30 second mark, she says volunteer first responders, not state trooper, I.E. the fire company. If you dont already know, fire companies dont go rushing into active shooter areas, that is the job of the police. So they took their time getting there, probably to allow time to let the police do their job.

While I do agree the Sandy Hook story is shady, stop over analyzing everything, jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7505525


Obviously I heard what she said.

So it's normal for emt's to "take their time" on their way to a school shooting?
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KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


Very true. Even if you get an emergency you don't have to run on lights and jump lights. Especially if you are waiting for police backup - you need them to get there first!!!! And that is often an order from above!
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KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


Very true. Even if you get an emergency you don't have to run on lights and jump lights. Especially if you are waiting for police backup - you need them to get there first!!!! And that is often an order from above!
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


I see emergency vehicles running red lights all the time for far less than a school shooting!
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Maybe - but you don't know exactly what happened over the RT.
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Maybe - but you don't know exactly what happened over the RT.
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That's what we're trying to ascertain, based on interviews, police scanner recording, etc.
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Sir not all volunteer firefighters go directly to the station, i know this for a fact as i have over 12 vf in my family. Alot just report to the scene by whatever means they can get there. Hell ive seen a guy with a flashlight taped to his dash and a red lens over the light, he turns on the strobe feature and uses that as his emerg light. There are alot of dumb laws that prevent vf from responding as fast as they should be allowed too. In some states they basically just drive to the scene in their normal car, no speeding, no rushing, just get there. Sad but true, im not saying 100 percent that this is the case here im just offering up a very plausibnle reason after she clearly states that who she witnessed were the volunteers and not actual first responders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


i know.. i am vf too. but in the video, the old lady talk about cars, first responders cars.
to know it first responders cars, it must be tagged cars (police, fire, ambulance) or she cant know they are "first responder".
 Quoting: Fred-S


The term "first responder" has been drilled into our heads for years, so the fact that she says first responders doesnt really notify me to anything she may know. almost everyone calls emergency workers first responders these days.

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