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Witness: Emergency Responders En Route to Sandy Hook Stopped at Red Lights

 
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


Very true. Even if you get an emergency you don't have to run on lights and jump lights. Especially if you are waiting for police backup - you need them to get there first!!!! And that is often an order from above!
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


I see emergency vehicles running red lights all the time for far less than a school shooting!
 Quoting: Gladio


Im glad you said "emergency vehicles" a VF vehicle is not considered an emergency vehicle anywhere. nice try though.
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Sir not all volunteer firefighters go directly to the station, i know this for a fact as i have over 12 vf in my family. Alot just report to the scene by whatever means they can get there. Hell ive seen a guy with a flashlight taped to his dash and a red lens over the light, he turns on the strobe feature and uses that as his emerg light. There are alot of dumb laws that prevent vf from responding as fast as they should be allowed too. In some states they basically just drive to the scene in their normal car, no speeding, no rushing, just get there. Sad but true, im not saying 100 percent that this is the case here im just offering up a very plausibnle reason after she clearly states that who she witnessed were the volunteers and not actual first responders.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


i know.. i am vf too. but in the video, the old lady talk about cars, first responders cars.
to know it first responders cars, it must be tagged cars (police, fire, ambulance) or she cant know they are "first responder".
 Quoting: Fred-S


The term "first responder" has been drilled into our heads for years, so the fact that she says first responders doesnt really notify me to anything she may know. almost everyone calls emergency workers first responders these days.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


It doesn't matter.

If you are an EMT responding to a call about a shooting at an elementary school, you haul ass.
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KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


Very true. Even if you get an emergency you don't have to run on lights and jump lights. Especially if you are waiting for police backup - you need them to get there first!!!! And that is often an order from above!
 Quoting: ParamedicUK


I see emergency vehicles running red lights all the time for far less than a school shooting!
 Quoting: Gladio


Im glad you said "emergency vehicles" a VF vehicle is not considered an emergency vehicle anywhere. nice try though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


You are splitting hairs.

I HAVE SEEN VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS RUSH TO CALLS< RUNNING STOP LIGHTS ALONG THE WAY.

Since this is my thread, I can delete your posts any time I want. That's my prerogative, as I pay $10 a month.

I leave them now just to show the desperate and obvious attempts at shilling you engage in.
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It is weird that Hicks referred to the "call last week" and then didn't even explain what that call was.

A call to SHES? A call to some other school (St. Rose, perhaps, where the priest Luke Suarez was receiving repeated threats?)

Interesting.
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And lord knows no one at the Bee will even answer the phone, but there IS a way to find out what that call was - Newtown Police & Fire audio from week prior to Dec. 14.

These guys' voices are starting to sound more familiar than my own family's.
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


This is assuming they were even smashed in the first place. In this interview, Vance gives no indication at all that they were smashed.

Wolf mentions reports that the hard drive was smashed @ around 5:23 in the video. Vance's response:

"It's interesting that that information is out there. The way we do these types of cases is I am the only spokesman relative to this investigation. The only person who has personal knowledge about of we can and cannot say.I don't even know what was ceased in that house. The investigators have not provided me with that information because we don't detail the evidence." (What?!?!?).

To me, this sounds like he is indicating that it was not smashed. It sounds as if he's saying that information is out there, but because it didn't come from him, it's inaccurate. That's my take on it anyway.


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Now here's a discrepancy worth chasing, unless the people on this thread really aren't interested in the truth.
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It is weird that Hicks referred to the "call last week" and then didn't even explain what that call was.

A call to SHES? A call to some other school (St. Rose, perhaps, where the priest Luke Suarez was receiving repeated threats?)

Interesting.
 Quoting: Zephyr 35427218


And lord knows no one at the Bee will even answer the phone, but there IS a way to find out what that call was - Newtown Police & Fire audio from week prior to Dec. 14.

These guys' voices are starting to sound more familiar than my own family's.
 Quoting: Zephyr 35427218


I think the passage "remembering the call last week" refers to the SH incident on 12/14, not from a week prior. Here's the quote:


I thought it was going to be a false alarm,” Hicks tells TIME, remembering the call last week. Gunshots fired inside an elementary school? No. Not here, she thought."



Read more: [link to lightbox.time.com]

The article was posted on 12/20, so it makes sense that she was referring to 12/14.

Still she says she thought it was a false alarm. Odd.
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


And how could he smash up his computer so amazingly well that even the FBI couldn't retrieve any data from it. The FBI has one of the best equipped IT labs in the country to do that kind of work.
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@ AnonymousGirl:

A "law enforcement source" told CT Post that they DID recover data from the hard drives:

[link to www.ctpost.com]

Of course, that didn't come straight from Vance's lips, so can we trust it? wink wink
 Quoting: Gladio


Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


And how could he smash up his computer so amazingly well that even the FBI couldn't retrieve any data from it. The FBI has one of the best equipped IT labs in the country to do that kind of work.
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Sounds like they'll find what they want to find.
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THERE IS NOTHING MORE PATHETIC than someone who chooses to be paid as an emergency responder, and when called upon to do the deed, COWERS WITHOUT REGARD FOR THOSE HE HAD MADE AN OATH TO SAVE...nothing is more pathetic than the man who wants the reputation of a hero, but in mind and heart is still merely a charlatan...a COWARD.

Shame on these and all emergency responders who do not have the courage to do what they have professed they will do in times of need for civilians, the public, women, children, and families from any where around the world. SHAME ON YOU COWARDS...please choose another profession.
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Cause of Idiot drivers who are texting or talking on their precious iPhones and are to busy to watch for emergency vehicles
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35482250


You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

Why do you even bother?

Emergency vehicles slow down at traffic lights, allow some time for their lights ans sirens to be noticed by drivers, then they carry on through the lights and continue towards their destination.

If you don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion, please refrain from commenting.
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Regarding the Time piece:

It's worth repeating that Shannon Hicks took the famous photograph of the kids being led out at 10:09 AM. So evidently the scene was secure, and not in lockdown, if kids were being led out at that point.

[link to lightbox.time.com]
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


This.


Vounteer or off-duty firefighters and EMT's in CT can run what are called 'courtesy lights' that only allow them to get courtesy from other drivers, but they are still required to obey all traffic laws, including traffic lights.. To even have that in CT legally, you have to have a permit.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Someone discussing this on another forum:


I have mixed feeling about this. I have and do volunteer in a state with courtesy lights (Ct and NY) and have been in a red light and siren state (VT).

Sadly,I've seen abuse of both.Around here people are pretty good about letting us blue lighters go by but I still feel retarded sitting at a red light, all two that we have here LOL, with my blue lights on, generally I shut them off.Being one of the few really active and experienced EMTs in the dept as well as a pump operator I'd like to be able to run red, but that's up to my chief.There are a lot of people in the area that should never have them.Yes I have a lot of courtesy on my cars, call me a whacker but I never blow off a call and I don't drive mach2 to the station or scene throwing a hissy fit when someone doesn't pull over.

I think the question should be whether or not the chief should be able to issue red light permits to more key people who are not fire officers in courtesy light states.


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Regarding the Time piece:

It's worth repeating that Shannon Hicks took the famous photograph of the kids being led out at 10:09 AM. So evidently the scene was secure, and not in lockdown, if kids were being led out at that point.

[link to lightbox.time.com]
 Quoting: Gladio
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


KEY POINT IN THIS ENTIRE VIDEO. The first responders she saw (and she clearly states this in the video so dont even try telling me different) were the volunteer firefighters. Volunteer firefighters have different rules and laws they have to follow all over the country, and in many places such as where this took place, they are not allowed to just barrel through traffic, hell many are not allowed to even have flashing lights let alone lights and a siren to safely traverse traffic. Just saying more then likely this is the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33142471


This.


Vounteer or off-duty firefighters and EMT's in CT can run what are called 'courtesy lights' that only allow them to get courtesy from other drivers, but they are still required to obey all traffic laws, including traffic lights.. To even have that in CT legally, you have to have a permit.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34464973


Thanks for posting those protocols.

I do find it interesting that the woman in the video deliberately points out this detail about responders stopping at the light. Possibly she's mistaken when she contrast this detail with other EMT responses she recalls in which responders went through the stop lights. Curious.

Anyway, her interview is just one person's account of what she remembered. Nothing more, nothing less.
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wow they stopped? that means this was a false flag.
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Why would emergency personnel responding to a SHOOTING at a SCHOOL stop at traffic lights on their way?


[link to blog.ctnews.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


The only question about Sandy Hook is what or who caused Lanza to do what he did. Look into the smashed computer Lanza used. Why would he smash up his computer? unless somebody instructed him to do it.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


This is assuming they were even smashed in the first place. In this interview, Vance gives no indication at all that they were smashed.

Wolf mentions reports that the hard drive was smashed @ around 5:23 in the video. Vance's response:

"It's interesting that that information is out there. The way we do these types of cases is I am the only spokesman relative to this investigation. The only person who has personal knowledge about of we can and cannot say.I don't even know what was ceased in that house. The investigators have not provided me with that information because we don't detail the evidence." (What?!?!?).

To me, this sounds like he is indicating that it was not smashed. It sounds as if he's saying that information is out there, but because it didn't come from him, it's inaccurate. That's my take on it anyway.


 Quoting: AnonymousGirl


Hmmmm...just like that report from CNN that stated Lanza was trying to compete with the Norway killer. Vance denied all of it. What is going on here?
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I think the passage "remembering the call last week" refers to the SH incident on 12/14, not from a week prior. Here's the quote:


I thought it was going to be a false alarm,” Hicks tells TIME, remembering the call last week. Gunshots fired inside an elementary school? No. Not here, she thought."



Read more: [link to lightbox.time.com]

The article was posted on 12/20, so it makes sense that she was referring to 12/14.

Still she says she thought it was a false alarm. Odd.
 Quoting: Gladio


mmm, yes you could read it the 2 ways.

but just before: The Newtown Bee, she was responding to a radio dispatch heard over a local police scanner.

to respond to radio dispatch is not really a "call".

That's why in my head i though, there was a call in the week previous the 14th.

but as you could see, i am not english and i cant be sure on language subtilities.

and two day after the 14th, the 16th, they got a false call for Lima, no?
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Regarding the Time piece:

It's worth repeating that Shannon Hicks took the famous photograph of the kids being led out at 10:09 AM. So evidently the scene was secure, and not in lockdown, if kids were being led out at that point.

[link to lightbox.time.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


I continue to quote the above post to get an important point across.
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Regarding the Time piece:

It's worth repeating that Shannon Hicks took the famous photograph of the kids being led out at 10:09 AM. So evidently the scene was secure, and not in lockdown, if kids were being led out at that point.

[link to lightbox.time.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


I continue to quote the above post to get an important point across.
 Quoting: Gladio


Pat Jack on youtube using Shadow Analysis has determined that this picture was taken at 9:47 + or - 3 minutes. So, either his analysis is flawed or Hicks is lying. Add to what I think is alteration in that picture makes me think Hicks is either lying or is mistaken.
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Regarding the Time piece:

It's worth repeating that Shannon Hicks took the famous photograph of the kids being led out at 10:09 AM. So evidently the scene was secure, and not in lockdown, if kids were being led out at that point.

[link to lightbox.time.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


I continue to quote the above post to get an important point across.
 Quoting: Gladio


Pat Jack on youtube using Shadow Analysis has determined that this picture was taken at 9:47 + or - 3 minutes. So, either his analysis is flawed or Hicks is lying. Add to what I think is alteration in that picture makes me think Hicks is either lying or is mistaken.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


This is critical, because there's a timeline that has 9/11 calls around 9:30 and emergency personnel (cops) on scene no later than 9:40ish.

So how long did it take to check every victim for vitals, and secure the scene, (i.e.- if there were other shooters)? That would have had to have been done before they started taking kids out, right?
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hey hacker! good threads wont die
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Regarding the Time piece:

It's worth repeating that Shannon Hicks took the famous photograph of the kids being led out at 10:09 AM. So evidently the scene was secure, and not in lockdown, if kids were being led out at that point.

[link to lightbox.time.com]
 Quoting: Gladio


I continue to quote the above post to get an important point across.
 Quoting: Gladio


Pat Jack on youtube using Shadow Analysis has determined that this picture was taken at 9:47 + or - 3 minutes. So, either his analysis is flawed or Hicks is lying. Add to what I think is alteration in that picture makes me think Hicks is either lying or is mistaken.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


This is critical, because there's a timeline that has 9/11 calls around 9:30 and emergency personnel (cops) on scene no later than 9:40ish.

So how long did it take to check every victim for vitals, and secure the scene, (i.e.- if there were other shooters)? That would have had to have been done before they started taking kids out, right?
 Quoting: Gladio


Yes, I'm sure the school would have to been cleared and secure before any large groups of kids could have been evacuated. Its a little hard to tell from the police scanner when the gunman would have died but I would say somewhere between 9:45 and 9:50. If Pat is right in his analysis, then I think it wouldn't leave enough time for Lanza to commit those murders.
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Cause of Idiot drivers who are texting or talking on their precious iPhones and are to busy to watch for emergency vehicles
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35482250


I saw an emergency responder run a light because his coffee was getting cold and his meal was settling from the diner we just walked out of .

You're telling me 24 dead or dying kids isn't even enough?

Hmm, you know what. You're right. We need more dead kids.
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NO ammount of dead people is worth risking the lives of anyone, so i fully agree that stopping is not a problem especially when the responders seen stopped at the light AS CLEARLY STATED IN THE FUCKING VIDEO was the volunteer firefighters.. They do not have the right to blare through intersections. You dont have to believe me but in the case that you dont i say to you look the shit up. its very clearly written as to how VF can opperate depending on which state they are in..
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I continue to quote the above post to get an important point across.
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Pat Jack on youtube using Shadow Analysis has determined that this picture was taken at 9:47 + or - 3 minutes. So, either his analysis is flawed or Hicks is lying. Add to what I think is alteration in that picture makes me think Hicks is either lying or is mistaken.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


This is critical, because there's a timeline that has 9/11 calls around 9:30 and emergency personnel (cops) on scene no later than 9:40ish.

So how long did it take to check every victim for vitals, and secure the scene, (i.e.- if there were other shooters)? That would have had to have been done before they started taking kids out, right?
 Quoting: Gladio


Yes, I'm sure the school would have to been cleared and secure before any large groups of kids could have been evacuated. Its a little hard to tell from the police scanner when the gunman would have died but I would say somewhere between 9:45 and 9:50. If Pat is right in his analysis, then I think it wouldn't leave enough time for Lanza to commit those murders.
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Checking for vitals and securing a scene are two completely different aspects of such an operation. Securin g the scene is the primary, vitals can wait, noone cares at that point who is down, only who is still up and who may be a threat. Common sense would tell you this but then again..need i say more..
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bump

"search" feature is down, they're trying to get it back up asap.
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I continue to quote the above post to get an important point across.
 Quoting: Gladio


Pat Jack on youtube using Shadow Analysis has determined that this picture was taken at 9:47 + or - 3 minutes. So, either his analysis is flawed or Hicks is lying. Add to what I think is alteration in that picture makes me think Hicks is either lying or is mistaken.
 Quoting: Stickywicket


This is critical, because there's a timeline that has 9/11 calls around 9:30 and emergency personnel (cops) on scene no later than 9:40ish.

So how long did it take to check every victim for vitals, and secure the scene, (i.e.- if there were other shooters)? That would have had to have been done before they started taking kids out, right?
 Quoting: Gladio


Yes, I'm sure the school would have to been cleared and secure before any large groups of kids could have been evacuated. Its a little hard to tell from the police scanner when the gunman would have died but I would say somewhere between 9:45 and 9:50. If Pat is right in his analysis, then I think it wouldn't leave enough time for Lanza to commit those murders.
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Maybe we should ask Mergim? Look at his video and then look at the pictures that Gladio gave from the Bee and look at picture #3 and you'll see Mergim in there with a "USA" jacket yet his interview on the video is in a different jacket?! Why?


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Yes, I'm sure the school would have to been cleared and secure before any large groups of kids could have been evacuated. Its a little hard to tell from the police scanner when the gunman would have died but I would say somewhere between 9:45 and 9:50. If Pat is right in his analysis, then I think it wouldn't leave enough time for Lanza to commit those murders.
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Maybe we should ask Mergim? Look at his video and then look at the pictures that Gladio gave from the Bee and look at picture #3 and you'll see Mergim in there with a "USA" jacket yet his interview on the video is in a different jacket?! Why?




but a good question is why media didnt used this picture?

who could believe about "chaos" with this picture?

[link to i1.ytimg.com]

people waiting..hands in pocket?
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G!adio is dead.

Not the poster (yet), just the profile.

Not by my choice.

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The account is finished, but i'm not.

I had been posting w/ names like I, Gladius and Adio-Glay (by proxy, of course). I no longer think this is a good idea as some shill imposters have used those names to post, representing themselves as me. This has also happened to a handfull of other S.H. researchers. Shows the level of desperation the forces of evil have reached.

So from now on, 3/20/13 5:15pm eastern dayight savings time, any post under any of the following names will not be me:

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