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Holy_Diver

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Haha, just keeping looking for your scientific method. I'm sure mainstream science will be right out with it. Meanwhile, ignore the case studies where people are cured with cannabis and other natural means. You're lost man, give up.
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So, you're saying I won't find proof via scientific method?

You're saying Mainstream science will not conduct research?

But, you say I ignore case studies...are these scientific case studies? But you just said I shouldn't expect any, so what kind of case studies are these? Who conducts them and with what methods?

Is this Cheech and Chong in a basement blowing weed smoke into their cancer cats?

*IM* lost? You're listening to Cheech and Chong and calling it "Case Studies."
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Er no that doesn't happen with Salvia.
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Walk into any head shop that still sells salvia and look at the bags. Just look at them!

2x, 4x, 10x, 24x etc.

That is the amount of extract added to the mix. If you just buy plain old Salvia without extract, you might not have any kind of experience.

If you like, I will direct you to Salvia boards where this is discussed ad infinitum to show you how much of a NOTHING you are for contradicting me.
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yes, we know ^^, only problem i have had with it is , sometimes it makes my type of anxiety bad , but not usually. still smoke sometimes.
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you need indica stains...not sativa...
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Narcs will narc...
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U.S. Patent #66305075a
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proven to cure cancer.
 Quoting: Rtruth


Where is this study and what medical journal has it been published in?

Who proved it, when?

I would like details please. I haven't heard about this amazing, globally important medical breakthrough. Seems like it would've been headline news for months, with nobel peace prizes handed out and time magazine covers this sort of thing.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


First i have never even tried grass
But you need to grow up
Msm lies if you have not figured it out yet

Jews own msm and those jews are zionist scum

Raw milk is good for you and is known as white blood but is illegal

Why?

Wake the fuck up
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U.S. Patent #6630507 5a
Holy_Diver

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First i have never even tried grass
But you need to grow up
Msm lies if you have not figured it out yet

Jews own msm and those jews are zionist scum

Raw milk is good for you and is known as white blood but is illegal

Why?

Wake the fuck up
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1871800


We've already covered this.

Well, here's another twist for you.

Ready to have your mind blown?

MSM is controlled by the same people who control the Intelligence Agencies, the same Agencies that import the drugs into our country, including Marijuana, to both neutralize the counter-culture movements and fund Black-Ops projects.

The Bush family alone brought more drugs into this country than probabably the entire Mafia.

All roads lead back to Zionists behind the scenes. They also control big Pharma.

So when you go to bed tonight and fall asleep with your one-hitter's leftover resin embers lighting your sheets on fire, take comfort in knowing that "The Joooooooos" want you to have your weed, they just want it off the books.

If "They" truly didn't want you to have it, you wouldn't, or they would give you a substitute and you wouldn't know the difference if it's all you ever had (Like the last 30 years of LSD, for example.)
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if certain cannabinoids are of medical value, they would have to be synthesised in a lab for use.

no single cannabis sample is guaranteed to contain any desired cannabinoid or it's levels.


currently placebo (which is also used extensively in chinese medicine)is more effective than cannabis products medicinally, multiple years long trials where it is legal have shown this time and time again.


it's legal where i am right now, people with cancer try tinctures, oils, ointments, distilations, poultices, foodstuffs plus a multitude of hemp products, it and still die of cancer and other diseases just as quick.

canabis has two recognised temporary symptom relief properties relating to uterine discomfort during menstruation and reduction of of intraocular pressure.


in both cases other medicines are more effective.


if indeed it has been used as a medicine for thousands of years and cures cancer, why wasn't cancer wiped out?

canabis and it's products are cheaper and easier to obtain than most modern medicines and cancer isone of the leading causes of death.

people touting it as a cancer cure are plain wrong.
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if indeed it has been used as a medicine for thousands of years and cures cancer, why wasn't cancer wiped out?
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Dude, because "THE MAN" bro! Dig this, the man, you know, the man's keeping us down.

You're asking questions "The Man" would ask, man! The Man tries dirty tactics like logic and education, man! We don't need no Education, guydudebroman.
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Can't believe i read all this garbage and am taking the time to post... guess it won't matter, on or off the books. I have my own plants, so what do i care? FUCK YOU!
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Look at all the monkeys jealous of a plant just because it has more friends than they do.
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proven to cure cancer.
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Where is this study and what medical journal has it been published in?

Who proved it, when?

I would like details please. I haven't heard about this amazing, globally important medical breakthrough. Seems like it would've been headline news for months, with nobel peace prizes handed out and time magazine covers this sort of thing.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


the bad guys won't even prove it. The only people that have proved it are normal foke like in the videos
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[link to stopthedrugwar.org]

patent number 6,630,507
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wow that's crazy
Rtruth (OP)

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Folks, isn't it time for a modern day "Johnny Appleseed"? This time he can cross the globe planting his seeds. But maybe we should ponder the seed he should be planting stoner. Any ideas?
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You know...I have pondered such an idea. What I think might work would be to cross the plant with a plant with similar character that spreads like wild fire, think scottsbroom or dandelions.

It would take some trial and error but it could be done.

Then when its growing in every highway median from NY to LA they will have no choice but to relent.

In fact it would "not" even have to get you high, it just needs to look identical to marijuana in the vegetative state.

You see the treatment hemp gets just because it looks like pot.
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This really could be your life's work. Your "facebook" and spread around the world, if you will. At the end of your life they'll be hundreds of thousands at your funeral and billions watching on TV. They'll say "this was the guy who invented XYZ Hemp plant" which spread across the country and helped pave the way for legalizing Marawanna. And in the process he helped millions to cure there cronic deceases. One of the greatest revolutionary philanthropists that ever lived! His legacy will forever mark the pages of human history. ha ha..
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yes, we know ^^, only problem i have had with it is , sometimes it makes my type of anxiety bad , but not usually. still smoke sometimes.
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I only get anxious if I have not smoked it in a while, but after a few days I'm all good.
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OP said it was "Proven to cure cancer"

I am just asking who/what/where/when/how this was proven. Okay, here's the thing, logically:

Logically, if someone has "proven" this, and the op is aware of this proof, than the proof is out there for examination, else OP wouldn't be able to state it has been Proven.

"proof" = Scientific studies that can be replicated in a controlled environment held to the highest medical and scientific standards.

I'm not naive, I am just eager to be as "in the loop" as OP. I would LOVE a cure to cancer, as I probably have 3 developing as we speak.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Don't be lazy you have the internet and all of the information at your fingertips whenever you want to search for it. You don't need anyone to furnish this information for you.

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]

Apr. 9, 2009 — Guillermo Velasco and colleagues, at Complutense University, Spain, have provided evidence that suggests that cannabinoids such as the main active component of marijuana (THC) have anticancer effects on human brain cancer cells.

In the study, THC was found to induce the death of various human brain cancer cell lines and primary cultured human brain cancer cells by a process known as autophagy.

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[link to www.washingtonpost.com]

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect.
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There are countless other studies and published findings from around the world for you to read if you would only search for them.

THC/Cannabis has long been known to have anti-tumor effects on the body. By the Federal Government classifying it as a Schedule 1 narcotic they prevent the medical community (in the U.S.) from conducting expansive research into all of it's medical applications and uses. It is very difficult for research groups to conduct tests with marijuana due to the Federal policy but such restrictions do not exist in foreign countries where doctors and scientists are freely permitted to explore all of the applications of cannabis/THC ingestion.

Private interest groups & corporations dictate the policies of this country and the pharmaceutical industrt, the private prison industry, law enforcement industry, and the alcohol industry have the politicians in their pockets and DO NOT want to see cannabis legalized and provided to Americans who wish to use it either recreationally or for medicinal applications... They don't care about the anti-cancer effects nor any of the other health benefits that a human being could gain from having access to it..... All they care about in their MONEY and that's what dictates the Federal stance on marijuana legality.
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I think people who are against it simply have never tried it. They got brainwashed growing up that "EELEEGAYAL DRUGS ARE BAD". Meanwhile popping pills, drinking and smoking like it was perfectly harmless. Again brainwashing. But eventually if you try it you sort of snap out of the dilusional thinking. And if you think getting drunk is interesting ha ha ! lol
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No naive, but a troll. Everyone knows that medical journals and studies are expensive to fund and are only funded by big pharma. If big pharma can't patent it (which they can't), then the study will never see the light of day. Duh!

All information is controlled, it is up to each of us to see that and sift for the truth.
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How am I a troll if OP says "Proven to cure cancer" and I'm asking for the information source where OP gets the courage to make this claim?

What YOU are saying is that OP is wrong, and it's not proven to cure cancer or anything else.

So instead of calling me a troll, why not just tell me there isn't any Proof at all, only anecdotal evidence at best?

If you feel I'm exposing some sort of inadequecy and this brings shame, that's not my fault. I'm "Joe on the street" looking for a cancer cure and what you and OP are doing is pulling up in a Road-show cart, rolling up the side window, and saying "Step right up, folks, it'll cure what ails ye!"

I mean, it's classic, really. What's worse is that neither of you are actually selling the product, but you're doing the work second-hand for the snake oil salesman.

Pathetic!

So, one more time, if there's actual proof like OP says, where can I find it? Understanding, of course, that the definition of proof lies within the scientific method.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Shuffle your empirical and academic proof and support down your rear pipe.

"And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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I'm not naive, I am just eager to be as "in the loop" as OP. I would LOVE a cure to cancer, as I probably have 3 developing as we speak.
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How about your mice? The British guy who is feeding wild mice in his home needs to put out some hempseed, stat!

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]



It is concluded that pharmacological enhancement of endocannabinoid levels (through inhibition of endocannabinoid hydrolysis) reduces the development of precancerous lesions in the mouse colon. The protective effect appears to involve caspase-3 (but not caspase-9) activation

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bump for truth bonghit

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Truth...

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Cannabinoids have been associated with tumor regression and apoptosis of cancer cells. Recently, we have shown that R(+)-methanandamide (R(+)-MA) induces apoptosis of H4 human neuroglioma cells via a mechanism involving de novo expression of the cyclooxygenase-2 (COX-2) enzyme. The present study investigated a possible involvement of a mitochondrial-driven pathway in this process

There is absolutely nothing whatsoever surprising, or even unexpected, about cannabis' ability to treat cancer.

Many, many plants can treat cancer.

Periwinkle, for example

[link to www.botgard.ucla.edu]

One plant, somewhat unknown earlier, changed the course of anticancer research. Madagascar periwinkle, Catharanthus roseus (formerly Vinca rosea), is a common house or garden plant in many regions, and this plant was used in folk medicine for treating dysentery, menstrual disorders, toothaches, and especially diabetes. In the mid-1950s interest was drawn to this species. Two programs were started, by Doctors C.T. Beer and R.L. Noble at the University of Western Ontario and by Dr. Gordon Svoboda of Lilly Corporation, a large drug-manufacturing company. Beer and Nobel were investigating this periwinkle as a possible oral insulin substitute, and in the laboratory Beer crystallized from leaves an alkaloid called vincaleukoblastine (VLB). Working independently at Lilly, Svoboda, in December 1957, injected a crude extract of the whole periwinkle plant into mice that were infected with P-1534 leukemia. To his amazement, 60-80% of the mice experienced prolonged life. Lilly produced VLB as the drug Velban and synthesized another alkaloid, vincristine (VCR), as the drug Oncovin.

The only surprising thing about cannabis is that a plant with this much documented effect on certain cancers, has not already spawned multiple commercial cancer therapies.

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proven to cure cancer.
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Where is this study and what medical journal has it been published in?

Who proved it, when?

I would like details please. I haven't heard about this amazing, globally important medical breakthrough. Seems like it would've been headline news for months, with nobel peace prizes handed out and time magazine covers this sort of thing.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Such ignorance. Media, medical industry, and all parties involved are only concerned about one thing: $$$ and none of them will make any when the news of a simple plant, that anybody can grow anywhere, is a cure (not a re-billable treatment) to many ailments.

And the only give out Nobel Peace Prizes to people who have done nothing.......President Obama, before his first election, ring a bell?
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Many different "legitimate" studies here. Ya know, for the dummies who can't wrap their mainstream head around it or are too blind to see anything that isn't spoon fed to them by their government or MSM. I think we know who they are. What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say.

[link to www.cancer.gov]
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bump For Holy Diver and others...
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bump Again for Holy Diver because he only reads posts he can refute.
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you morons know it is only illegal to suppress competition in the many, many areas of commerce that hemp is applicable as a cheap, effective alternative.

it's not illegal cause it's "bad" or euphoria is devilish... everyone should be forced to smoke before they speak on the subject. i guarantee those who have never smoked would be shocked at what little effect it actually has. it makes you a little tired, a little hungry, and a little happy. who the fuck is against eating, sleeping, and happiness?
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I have the benefit of having smoked Marijuana in the mid 80's and again in the mid 90's and one time in the mid naughts.

I can tell you that the marijuana you described existed in the mid 80's, but by the mid 90's Marijuana was jacked up beyond recognition.

IN the Naughts, I didn't have that much but just a little bit was the same as a lot of the 90s weed.

They are taking extract of thc and concentrating it and adding it back into the bag like they do legally with Salvia.

It is uncomfortable, debilitating, anti-social and addictive. Don't tell me it isn't, I will show you 10 people I know personally who can't get off it.
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To be honest, your whole post was entirely subjective. You've projected your personal experiences onto the plant as justification that marijuana has no use.

I understand, as yo do, that marijuana doesn't treat everyone the same. Actually, it's no wonder with the thousands of variations of strains (many of which are cultivated for unique psychoactive and physical effects alone) that many people can experience marijuana very differently from others. This isn't even taking into account one's personal disposition or condition(s) which may interact negatively with the effect of marijuana.

Ultimately, some greatly benefit from its qualities, including those who have medical issues or those who are purely enjoying it for recreational purposes. Others try it because it's something they get into and then phase away from.

As for the bolded sentences. Your statement of higher concentrations of extract being put into marijuana...."since the 90s"....is One Hundred Percent Complete Bullshit. Actually, that's pretty laughable that you thought you could get away from saying something so stupid. And the fact that you compared it to Salvia extraction is even more stupid. 5 leaves of salvia=1 gram of plant material, 5 times more potent. 20 leaves=1 gram, 20 times more powerful.

Now if you're going to logically compare the two methods, then we have to assume they are similar. Are you saying five buds get crushed up and sprinkled onto some amount of fresh marijuana and actually get sold without raising an eyebrow? Exactly what are your standards for comparing the two, I wonder if you can help me understand your bullshit a little bit better.
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Many different "legitimate" studies here. Ya know, for the dummies who can't wrap their mainstream head around it or are too blind to see anything that isn't spoon fed to them by their government or MSM. I think we know who they are. What you do speaks so loud that I cannot hear what you say.

[link to www.cancer.gov]
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bump For Holy Diver and others...
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bump Again for Holy Diver because he only reads posts he can refute.
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It's in his nature to argue and preserve the status quo at any cost.
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Holy Diver is pro-trolling, folks. Finish your discussion and ignore him. If it wasn't apparent to anyone before, read his posts and notice how he cleverly avoids the posts that reply to him with linked facts. Again, ignore him and continue your talks.

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You have an emotional response that you are now putting before rational discussion based on personal experience.

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And John Lord is dead, despite pursuing treatment for his pancreatic cancer.

Unfortunately, "cancer" is not a single enity, with a single cause or a single treatment. Many of our current theraputic interventions are successful, many are not.

[link to www.cancer.gov]

There is another important purpose for cannabis as a theraputic drug-I have seen cannabis allow patients to adhere to grueling treatment regimens which led to the remission of their cancer. Without cannabis the side effects of their protocols would've caused them to abandon treatment.

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Haha, just keeping looking for your scientific method. I'm sure mainstream science will be right out with it. Meanwhile, ignore the case studies where people are cured with cannabis and other natural means. You're lost man, give up.
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So, you're saying I won't find proof via scientific method?

You're saying Mainstream science will not conduct research?

But, you say I ignore case studies...are these scientific case studies? But you just said I shouldn't expect any, so what kind of case studies are these? Who conducts them and with what methods?

Is this Cheech and Chong in a basement blowing weed smoke into their cancer cats?

*IM* lost? You're listening to Cheech and Chong and calling it "Case Studies."
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Another completely baseless ad hominem insult?

For someone so attached to what you can see and read with your eyes (seemingly), why have you ignored past posts including scientific studies which should have garnered your attention? You're so thirsty for evidence or support for peoples' claims yet you deny them when presented?

On top of that, you insert "Cheech and Chong" inappropriately into the mouths of those who disagree with you. You insist that everyone who smoke marijuana or supports marijuana rights are purely lazy and unmotivated stoners. You think people who have severe medical illnesses just use marijuana to get high. You ignore the very real benefits of the plant (perhaps because propaganda sits too well with you, or you want to conform to your perception of what's "normal") and refuse to acknowledge anything that you don't want to. Your mentality towards marijuana and it's relationship with people is not in anyway dictated by science as you would like people to believe. How completely ignorant and judgmental.
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proven to cure cancer.
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Where is this study and what medical journal has it been published in?.
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The same medical journal that says if a product only kills 49% of the people who use/consume it, it is legally "non-toxic".
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My 19 yo daughter was diagnosed with diabetes. Her doctor asked what medicines, etc she took and she told the doctor she smoked pot. The doctor said there has never been a valid study that proves pot causes any kind of harm to the human body. She just told my daughter not to drive if she's high but otherwise, don't worry.

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