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I don't understand the fourth dimension

 
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is the fifth where you go when you die ????????????
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But what is it like and how can a human living with these visceral senses comprehend it?
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I dont think anyone can remotely understand what is to take place. As we are not yet capable of doing so.

As far as i understand from the ET's (abduction reports) we are beginning to have our DNA changed or activated to a higher strand. It is a drawn out process that takes place on many levels. They said one of the first steps is activating the new chakras capable of being able to handle this change.
The will happen as we sleep and is apart of all the weird shit everyone is experiencing.

I guess eventually we will have changed enough to make the transition then BAM!

Honestly cant wait!

I dont have any doubts that this will not occur, i just have no idea when.
THE CHANGE IS COMING!
Spiritual Guidance, Spirit Guide communication, Shamanism & Kundalini.
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if you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

~sagan
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I like you

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if you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

~sagan
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I like you

eyebat
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funny, i recently came to the same conclusion about you.

*salutes

peace
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for your soul hole..

yoda
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Ok, imagine this:

Person A sits on a wall and somehow is able to watch a photon of light start from one wall, bounce off a mirror and travel back to hit the original wall.
Now imagine the Person A is in fact sat on a truck, where the light is bouncing from one side of the truck to the other.
Nothing changes, right?

Well, now imagine the truck is moving really really fast. Something approaching the speed of light.
Person B is somehow able to watch the same event from a tall tower as the truck goes by.
person B sees the light emitted from the truck wall bounce off the mirror and go back.

person A sees:


__
/ \
| | ^
0 0 |
------ | truck moving this way really fast..
o| |o
A |
|<-->|
| |
o|____|o

Let's say the truck is 2 metres wide. A sees the light travel a total of 4m, back and forth


Person B sees:

<
\
\
B >
/
/
<

And let's say the truck travelled at 0.5x (half) the speed of light. Person B sees the light travel across the truck,
but also move in the direction of the truck; in the time taken for the speed of light to cross the truck (2m),
the truck travelled half that distance (1m) and then another 1m whilst the light bounced back to the original wall.
Use Pythagoras' theorem: (excuse my drawing - the 1m part looks longer than it should)..


B >|
/ | 1m
/ |
< |
-----
2m

the 'slanty' distance or hypotenuse is just
sqrt(2*2 + 1*1) = sqrt(5) = 2.24m

Total distance travelled as observed by person B is 2 x 2.24m = 4.48m.
Total distance travelled as observed by person A is 2x 2m = 4m.

So, now we've set this all up, here comes the interesting part: Einstein postulated that the speed of light
is a constant in the universe. Observer A and Observer B BOTH measure the same speed of light,
whether on the truck or on the tower.. So, how can the light travel at the same speed
for observers A and B, and yet for person A the distance travelled is just 2m and for person B it is 2.24m?
Person B thinks the light travelled further!

The first part of the answer is that both people A and B measure the truck width the same (2m)
and they both measure the speed of light the same.
How then, can the distance travelled by the light be different?
The only answer is to consider the time intervals observed by persons A and B.

We'll use the "speed=distance/time" equation.
Here, speed will be 'c' or the speed of light.
Distance travelled seen by person A is 4m.

for person A, the interval is just 't', where t= 4m / c

for person B, the interval is 'T' where T= 4.48m/ c

How can this happen? The answer is time dilation.
Person B would see Person A's "time run slower"
- Person B would conclude Person A's watch was made in China and was measuring time "wrongly".


If Person B sees Person A's watch running slow, Person A will still measure the speed
of light the same as person B, but using a slow-ticking watch.
That is how we are allowed to get the speed-of-light measured by both observers the same, yet
the distance travelled is different. It's all to do with the RELATIVE velicity of the truck.

The 'dilation' effect seen by person B is real. For person B, time seems to move slower
for things which move faster, and the slowing down effect increases and increases
the faster we get, until eventually at the speed of light, person B
would conclude that time had actually stopped for person A!
Weird, huh?
It really happens! - atomic clocks were synchronised then flown in opposite directions around
the world in boeing 747s. When they were brought back together they were no longer synchronised.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

So, you see time is not 'absolute' - it has to be understood in terms of the space
in which you measure it! That is why we consider it to be the 4th dimension.
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oh no my diagrams are screwed.
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Ok, imagine this:

Person A sits on a wall and somehow is able to watch a photon of light start from one wall, bounce off a mirror and travel back to hit the original wall.
Now imagine the Person A is in fact sat on a truck, where the light is bouncing from one side of the truck to the other.
Nothing changes, right?

Well, now imagine the truck is moving really really fast. Something approaching the speed of light.
Person B is somehow able to watch the same event from a tall tower as the truck goes by.
person B sees the light emitted from the truck wall bounce off the mirror and go back.

person A sees:


...__.........
../..\........
.|....|......^
.0....0......|
.------......| truck moving this way really fast..
o|....|o......
.A....|.......
.|<-->|.......
.|....|.......
o|____|o......

Let's say the truck is 2 metres wide. A sees the light travel a total of 4m, back and forth


Person B sees:

.<....
..\...
...\..
B...>.
.../..
../...
.<....

And let's say the truck travelled at 0.5x (half) the speed of light. Person B sees the light travel across the truck,
but also move in the direction of the truck; in the time taken for the speed of light to cross the truck (2m),
the truck travelled half that distance (1m) and then another 1m whilst the light bounced back to the original wall.
Use Pythagoras' theorem: (excuse my drawing - the 1m part looks longer than it should)..


B..>|....
../.|..1m
./..|....
<...|....
-----....
.2m......

the 'slanty' distance or hypotenuse is just
sqrt(2*2 + 1*1) = sqrt(5) = 2.24m

Total distance travelled as observed by person B is 2 x 2.24m = 4.48m.
Total distance travelled as observed by person A is 2x 2m = 4m.

So, now we've set this all up, here comes the interesting part: Einstein postulated that the speed of light
is a constant in the universe. Observer A and Observer B BOTH measure the same speed of light,
whether on the truck or on the tower.. So, how can the light travel at the same speed
for observers A and B, and yet for person A the distance travelled is just 2m and for person B it is 2.24m?
Person B thinks the light travelled further!

The first part of the answer is that both people A and B measure the truck width the same (2m)
and they both measure the speed of light the same.
How then, can the distance travelled by the light be different?
The only answer is to consider the time intervals observed by persons A and B.

We'll use the "speed=distance/time" equation.
Here, speed will be 'c' or the speed of light.
Distance travelled seen by person A is 4m.

for person A, the interval is just 't', where t= 4m / c

for person B, the interval is 'T' where T= 4.48m/ c

How can this happen? The answer is time dilation.
Person B would see Person A's "time run slower"
- Person B would conclude Person A's watch was made in China and was measuring time "wrongly".


If Person B sees Person A's watch running slow, Person A will still measure the speed
of light the same as person B, but using a slow-ticking watch.
That is how we are allowed to get the speed-of-light measured by both observers the same, yet
the distance travelled is different. It's all to do with the RELATIVE velicity of the truck.

The 'dilation' effect seen by person B is real. For person B, time seems to move slower
for things which move faster, and the slowing down effect increases and increases
the faster we get, until eventually at the speed of light, person B
would conclude that time had actually stopped for person A!
Weird, huh?
It really happens! - atomic clocks were synchronised then flown in opposite directions around
the world in boeing 747s. When they were brought back together they were no longer synchronised.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

So, you see time is not 'absolute' - it has to be understood in terms of the space
in which you measure it! That is why we consider it to be the 4th dimension.
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4d is 3d with benefits. Generally, the higher the number of dimensions you wish to presume, the less places you have to hide them in.

Har har har.

Really, "3d" is the general consensus of what does exist, so the whole thinking of modern physics is likely, uh... inverted.

It's like people who name their penis...
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Time is an abstract concept to define the relationship of events to each other.
To say time is a dimension is silly.
Time is a measurement!!!
It's like saying distance is a dimension.
R U SIRIUS?!
 Quoting: Alcibiades


Distance is a dimension...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1986290


You're confused.
One dimension is a flat plane with no width or height.
Another dimension is a flat plane with variable width.
Another dimension is a flat plane with variable width and height, ie. volume.
The distance between 2 points on a flat plane is a measurement not a dimension.
The dimension can run for a finite or infinite length, however any two points along this dimension is a distance, not a dimension.
 Quoting: Alcibiades


I was rushed but wasn't going to jump to correct myself if it just fell into the abyss. I meant to say that distance is a measurement of a dimension, as is time.
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It's time, isn't it? Aren't we already living in the fourth dimension? So what is the fifth?

I mean I understand 2d man - the whole thing that if you're living in a 2d plane of existence and then something horrible like a Barney Frank vulture swoops down from the Z axis and screws you up the ass you would have no idea what happened because you don't live on that plane.

But that's all spacial! And the 4th dimension is time. So what the hee ho is the 5th?
 Quoting: calx


There are no dimensions, this universe is an illusion, and there is no other universe. All there is is heaven, which is 0D, everything else is an illusion. If you are seeing higher than 0D then you are just seeing things bwahahahahaha!
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Love this. 4th dimension. Confuses the crappers outta me but it`s so awesome !

Love Hypercube 2
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It's time, isn't it? Aren't we already living in the fourth dimension? So what is the fifth?

I mean I understand 2d man - the whole thing that if you're living in a 2d plane of existence and then something horrible like a Barney Frank vulture swoops down from the Z axis and screws you up the ass you would have no idea what happened because you don't live on that plane.

But that's all spacial! And the 4th dimension is time. So what the hee ho is the 5th?
 Quoting: calx


movement into any direction is a dimension, like time.. you go forward in time, like you go up or down.. thats movement.. so thats a dimension.. and you cant have a reality with 3 dimensions without time or nothing would happen

a 5th dimension could be like if you picture a gold coin on a table, and the economy right? look at it as a wealth sponge, in good times it release wealth, in bad times it sucks in wealth .. thats a form of movement thats beyond 3d
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