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Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?

 
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A 911 operator urges a staffer at a senior living center to perform CPR on an unconscious woman. KGET reports.

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THIS BRINGS UP A GOOD QUESTION?? After I read To Heaven and Back by Neal

I feel we should not always do CPR do you??
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What Is the History of CPR?

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1740 The Paris Academy of Sciences officially recommended mouth-to-mouth resuscitation for drowning victims

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1903 Dr. George Crile reported the first successful use of external chest compressions in human resuscitation.

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My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time.
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
There's two schools of thought on this issue:

The news report is that this facility was not prepared for critically ill people, so they "did not know how" to perform CPR.

The second issue to consider is did this woman have a living will declaring "DNR?"
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I've worked in a few nursing homes, and for me - what we were told is: You can only do CPR is the person does NOT have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order. If they did have an DNR, you aren't supposed to.
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If my heart stops, I respectfully request to be left the fck alone.
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My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time.
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agree we no longer have natural death
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time.
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agree we no longer have natural death
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Most of us have a good idea of what we mean by "natural death," yet the term has become somewhat difficult to define. According to pathologists, "A natural death is a death that results from a natural disease process, distinct from a death that results from accident or violence." But nowadays death from disease is rarely allowed to be natural; it is artificially prolonged by drugs and/or machines and in the eyes not only of medical professionals but of most patients and families, it results from medical measures' failure. It can hardly be said that someone who has spent his or her last hours in an ICU, as pictured on the page about death at www.stewardsoftheflame.com, has died naturally.

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I wondered, myself, when reading about this incident immediately asked myself if she had a pre-signed DNR.I know
both of my parents had DNR's and there great fear was that
some overly-zealous person would give them CPR. It's always
a very good idea to think about what you would want in this
circumstance, to prepare and official document stating what
end of life care you want and talk to your family about your
wishes.
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She was in a nursing home and had prolly already signed a DNR and the Nurse was prolly respecting her wishing and doing her job. Now if there was no DNR the yea the nurse should be in trouble.
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If this woman had a DNR, that is fine, they would have done the right thing. But if that was the case they would have told the operator.
If not trained, that is a lame excuse, compression only CPR can be instructed over the phone.
Any business that caters to housing and caring for the elderly should have a trained person and a defibulator on site.
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It depends on what is in the living will does it not?
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Some dipshit 911 operator blabbering like a jackass to a know-nothing media who makes a big deal out of letting an elderly woman pass away in a nh...W...T...F???
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My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time.
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I have been trained in CPR. I wouldn't care if it were a baby, a kid, a teenager, a frail old person or a dog, I would give a breathing "living being" CPR to save his/her/its life. If they die, it was meant to be. But if there's one breath that can give that person ONE more day to tell their granddaughter or their son (or their puppy), I love you, I would give them that day.

I can't even believe the woman said, is there ANYONE who can help? "NOT AT THIS TIME". If you are going to be SOO cruel as to not have one bit of respect for human life: at least LIE and make someone BELIEVE you tried to help their grandmother or sister or aunt! This woman ACTUALLY works in the healthcare field and could care less. Those same facilities RIP OFF our senior citizens and rob them of everything they've worked hard for their entire lives. Unbelievable.

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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
There's two schools of thought on this issue:

The news report is that this facility was not prepared for critically ill people, so they "did not know how" to perform CPR.

The second issue to consider is did this woman have a living will declaring "DNR?"
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ALL CNA's & nurses go thru a CPR course at some point during their schooling.
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The 911 operator couldn't possibly know if a DNR is requested by the patient or patient's guardian. It is more important to honor that request than the operator's.
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the facility has a no CPR policy. residents and their families are aware of this policy. the daughter of the now deceased woman is quoted as being satisfied with her mother's care. why is MSM making a "breaking story" out of this?
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UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE!!!

I'd have a hard time as a child of this person who died and not going off the deep end with the facility even though it is told to them that they don't perform such actions if a patient is in the process of dying.

Our country is screwed I'm afraid to say.
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
To posters mentioning the DNR policy -

Read the thread already in discussion

Thread: Staff At Senior Home Refuses To Perform CPR On Dying Woman


This issue doesnt have to do with DNR policy.

The issue has to do with their CPR policy or lack thereof.

The facility is an SNR. Here is are federal laws related to SNRs:

[link to www.ssa.gov]

SNFs must provide care in compliance with “accepted professional standards and principles", so regardless of their policies, as an SNR, they must follow these obligations at both a federal and state level.
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Also to consider: The Legal Aspect.

I've been told that if you attempt to do CPR on a person and they die anyway, YOU can be SUED because you FAILED to perform CPR properly (or one of many other trumped up charges).

..And if you DO decide to risk litigation, you must continue doing CPR until EMTs arrive and take over.

If they had a DNR and you do CPR, you get sued.

If they didn't have DNR and you do CPR, and they die, you get sued.

No longer can anyone be a "Good Samaritan" without risk of being sued for not being "Good ENOUGH Samaritan".

Blech.
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Some dipshit 911 operator blabbering like a jackass to a know-nothing media who makes a big deal out of letting an elderly woman pass away in a nh...W...T...F???
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It wasn't a nursing home. It was an independent living facility, which is like an apartment house for seniors.

CPR is just standard procedure for anyone whose heart stops. Just like you would stop a wound from someone who is bleeding out, until help arrives. It is not an extensive artificial life-extending treatment.

The woman who called was a nurse! She was trained in CPR. She flat-out refused. Personal ethical and moral behavior should dictate that a nurse do her best to help someone who is in distress. If the patient collapsed on the street outside, she would have been helped by any passerby who would attempt to follow the operators instruction. It is just human compassion.

That nurse was disgusting.
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it's my understanding that this particular place is an independent living facility not a skilled nursing facility.
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It very trendy to do a DNR but people don't anticipate the other consequences.

After the DNR its very easy for one of your family to get a health care proxy and put you into Hospice Inc. Of course you're told you will die "soon".

There you get rotten care, no Dr. unless he's a Hospice Dr., no trip to the hospital if you somehow change your mind and drugs to stupify you.

The outcome is death.... usually within a couple of weeks. Very efficient for all concerned. The new euthanasia.

Or the new Obamacare for the elderly.

Drs. in emergency rooms can find elderly people incompetent in the blink of an eye and virtually force them to get a DNR on the spot.

Goes right with them to the assisted living - nursing home - whatever. Its a state form where the person is registered and wears a purple band around the wrist.

Being in a nursing facility for any length of time most people have a DNR just to relieve the mindless monotony of no future.

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there is only extreme times when you with hold CPR from a medical stand point. If someone is Comfort 1,DNR, Living will(stating no CPR),injuries incompatible with life IE:decapitation, or if rigor mortius has already set in(dead for more then a few hours) otherwise it is illegal and morally unacceptable to with hold cpr by a trained professional, that facility could of been for all Pt's who wish to have DNR orders, Or she could just be a bubbling idiot and her and her entire facility could be charged with gross negligence. remember CPR dosnt have to include mouth to mouth anymore CPR can be done with 50 chest compressions at 100times a minute. with out 2 rescue breaths. if you dont have the equipment and knowledge to do so.
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to follow up my last post... if the living will dnr order or comfort1 braclet is not on the pt or near the pt or presented to you, you do not withhold CPR
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it's my understanding that this particular place is an independent living facility not a skilled nursing facility.
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It is a skilled nursing facility.
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
it's my understanding that this particular place is an independent living facility not a skilled nursing facility.
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It is a skilled nursing facility.
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The last place you want a DNR is a skilled nursing facility. A real money losing operation.... to the taxpayer.
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
There's two schools of thought on this issue:

The news report is that this facility was not prepared for critically ill people, so they "did not know how" to perform CPR.

The second issue to consider is did this woman have a living will declaring "DNR?"
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