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Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?

 
Anonymous Coward
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03/04/2013 03:22 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
This place is no shoddy end-of-the-line nursing home.
And it is not cheap for the residents. (not medicare either)

Check it out
[link to www.seniorhomes.com]
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Site says professional care

3,000 a month and they can't even do CPR?
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03/04/2013 03:26 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
The staff are afraid of litigation. If they bring her back and break a rib, the family will sue.
 Quoting: GLP TARD


But at least there was an ATTEMPT to save her life.
A cracked rib is quite possible, especially for gracile bones, but the INTENT to save the life is what matters here.

Not only did she not try to save her, lied to 911 operator saying there was nobody there at this time to do CPR.

Staff should not be afraid of litigation. That would fall on the facility as she acted as an employee of the facility.
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03/04/2013 03:30 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
I have been trained in CPR. I wouldn't care if it were a baby, a kid, a teenager, a frail old person or a dog, I would give a breathing "living being" CPR to save his/her/its life. If they die, it was meant to be. But if there's one breath that can give that person ONE more day to tell their granddaughter or their son (or their puppy), I love you, I would give them that day.

I can't even believe the woman said, is there ANYONE who can help? "NOT AT THIS TIME". If you are going to be SOO cruel as to not have one bit of respect for human life: at least LIE and make someone BELIEVE you tried to help their grandmother or sister or aunt! This woman ACTUALLY works in the healthcare field and could care less. Those same facilities RIP OFF our senior citizens and rob them of everything they've worked hard for their entire lives. Unbelievable.

What it comes down to is weighing out your options: Policy/save a life Policy/Save a life policy/SAVE A LIFE
 Quoting: Listen_n


Are you REALLY prepared to take on the life energy of someone who is meant to die ? That is what happened to me when i did CPR on my father in law -- who should have been a DNR, but wasn't. He died 10 days later, except that he didn't

I have carried his life energy inside of me ever since. (He was not a nice man).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33855683


Life energy?
At least you are not walking around haunted by guilt that you just stood there watching him die.
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03/04/2013 03:43 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
She was in a nursing home and had prolly already signed a DNR and the Nurse was prolly respecting her wishing and doing her job. Now if there was no DNR the yea the nurse should be in trouble.
 Quoting: notta


If it was an issue of a DNR, the nurse would just say there is a DNR in place. It was obvious from the call that the facility was afraid of liability. If they do nothing, no liability. Well, or so they thought. Now they have a massive negligence claim coming at them.
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03/04/2013 04:07 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
CPR is not all that it is "cracked" up to be.

It has a lot of hugely negative aspects. First, it breaks ribs, which is an extremely painful injury to have.

Secondly, it rarely extends the person's life more than a few days while they die in agony with broken ribs.

Not giving CPR is a blessing and an enlightened policy for elderly people.

She did the right thing not further crippling the poor lady who died. Had the woman been given CPR it most likely have made her final minutes excruciatingly (sp?) painful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 719828


yes well CPR may crack ribs and be painful but the pt also has a higher chance of living. cracked ribs are not life threatning, theres pain meds for the pain. and if you dont break ribs doing cpr your not compressing far enough
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34240456


"We had to destroy the village in order to save it."

There is no evidence that CPR does anything more than make death FAR more painful by a factor of 10. In the few cases where it rescues the person in that moment, they live an agonizing existence for their remaining days.

Broken ribs are EXTREMELY painful. Each breath can be like a knife stab. Count how many times you breathe in a day and ask yourself if you would want to be stabbed that many times.

Yes, you could drug the person into oblivion to remove their pain. Of course narcotic suppress respiration.

You yourself are guaranteeing broken ribs, yet you think that's just swell. I hope you never end up with multiple broken ribs in your final days.

Don't touch my ribs.
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03/04/2013 04:24 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
The staff are afraid of litigation. If they bring her back and break a rib, the family will sue.
 Quoting: GLP TARD


But at least there was an ATTEMPT to save her life.
A cracked rib is quite possible, especially for gracile bones, but the INTENT to save the life is what matters here.

Not only did she not try to save her, lied to 911 operator saying there was nobody there at this time to do CPR.

Staff should not be afraid of litigation. That would fall on the facility as she acted as an employee of the facility.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35291633


Broken ribs are GUARANTEED when cpr is done as taught.

INTENT schmintent!!

Keep your hands off my ribs. You don't have my permission to break my arm, my leg or my ribs - especially my ribs!

Do you understand that for elderly patients the best result you will get as you crush their ribs is a guarantee that their final days of life will be extraordinarily painful?

They will typically die within a week or two after the cruelty, but in 95% of the cases they will die during the process of crushing their ribs.
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03/04/2013 04:29 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
What boggles my mind even more was CNN reported the family didn't mind, care and stands by how the staff and facility handled the situation. Now that's crazy!
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03/04/2013 07:30 PM
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Re: Why did staff refuse to give woman CPR?
What boggles my mind even more was CNN reported the family didn't mind, care and stands by how the staff and facility handled the situation. Now that's crazy!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28696925


CPR might be okay for a young drowning victim, but even that person will end up with life changing injuries to their ribs. Not giving CPR is a blessing and an enlightened policy for elderly people.

She did the right thing not further crippling the poor lady who died. Had the woman been given CPR it most likely have made her final minutes excruciatingly (sp?) painful.

CPR doesn't save lives - it brutalizes it.





GLP