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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 16845676 United States 03/04/2013 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What Is the History of CPR? [link to www.ehow.com] 1740 The Paris Academy of Sciences officially recommended mouth-to-mouth resuscitation for drowning victims [link to www.heart.org] 1903 Dr. George Crile reported the first successful use of external chest compressions in human resuscitation. |
Unixlike User ID: 35144735 United States 03/04/2013 09:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time. |
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amywood71605 User ID: 17193608 United States 03/04/2013 09:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've worked in a few nursing homes, and for me - what we were told is: You can only do CPR is the person does NOT have a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) order. If they did have an DNR, you aren't supposed to. "Live each day like it's your last, love like you've never been hurt, and dance like no one is watching." GO PATS!! :Go Patriots!: |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 16845676 United States 03/04/2013 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time. Quoting: Unixlike agree we no longer have natural death |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 16845676 United States 03/04/2013 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time. Quoting: Unixlike agree we no longer have natural death Most of us have a good idea of what we mean by "natural death," yet the term has become somewhat difficult to define. According to pathologists, "A natural death is a death that results from a natural disease process, distinct from a death that results from accident or violence." But nowadays death from disease is rarely allowed to be natural; it is artificially prolonged by drugs and/or machines and in the eyes not only of medical professionals but of most patients and families, it results from medical measures' failure. It can hardly be said that someone who has spent his or her last hours in an ICU, as pictured on the page about death at www.stewardsoftheflame.com, has died naturally. [link to towardtomorrow.blogspot.com] |
sashita User ID: 35205383 United States 03/04/2013 10:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wondered, myself, when reading about this incident immediately asked myself if she had a pre-signed DNR.I know both of my parents had DNR's and there great fear was that some overly-zealous person would give them CPR. It's always a very good idea to think about what you would want in this circumstance, to prepare and official document stating what end of life care you want and talk to your family about your wishes. |
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Fred User ID: 21215511 United States 03/04/2013 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If this woman had a DNR, that is fine, they would have done the right thing. But if that was the case they would have told the operator. If not trained, that is a lame excuse, compression only CPR can be instructed over the phone. Any business that caters to housing and caring for the elderly should have a trained person and a defibulator on site. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 35495866 United States 03/04/2013 10:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My wife and I moved in with my grandmother for the final year of her life to help take care of her. She had alzheimers. The family decided to not seek to try to extend her life through respirators or feeding tubes or CPR or anything like that. What would have been the point? She lived a very long and good life and we let her go in her time. Quoting: Unixlike |
Listen_n User ID: 1580156 United States 03/04/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I can't even believe the woman said, is there ANYONE who can help? "NOT AT THIS TIME". If you are going to be SOO cruel as to not have one bit of respect for human life: at least LIE and make someone BELIEVE you tried to help their grandmother or sister or aunt! This woman ACTUALLY works in the healthcare field and could care less. Those same facilities RIP OFF our senior citizens and rob them of everything they've worked hard for their entire lives. Unbelievable. What it comes down to is weighing out your options: Policy/save a life Policy/Save a life policy/SAVE A LIFE If we don't listen we will never hear the truth |
mopar28m User ID: 14265444 United States 03/04/2013 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's two schools of thought on this issue: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821 The news report is that this facility was not prepared for critically ill people, so they "did not know how" to perform CPR. The second issue to consider is did this woman have a living will declaring "DNR?" ALL CNA's & nurses go thru a CPR course at some point during their schooling. vaccinefreehealth blogspot com The risk far outweighs any benefit as the risk will vary from child to child. facebook.com/graphixyourway |
John Nash User ID: 26075398 United States 03/04/2013 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The 911 operator couldn't possibly know if a DNR is requested by the patient or patient's guardian. It is more important to honor that request than the operator's. A supply-limited commodity, instantly transferable worldwide, person-to-person, is intrinsically and uniquely valuable. |
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Question EVERYTHING Traveler In The Matrix User ID: 35541078 United States 03/04/2013 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE!!! I'd have a hard time as a child of this person who died and not going off the deep end with the facility even though it is told to them that they don't perform such actions if a patient is in the process of dying. Our country is screwed I'm afraid to say. First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. ~ Mahatma Gandhi "Always, at every moment, there will be the thrill of victory, the sensation of trampling on an enemy who is helpless. If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—forever." ~ George Orwell "The exact level of tyranny that you're going to live under, is the level of tyranny you put up with." ~Thomas Jefferson "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent. ~ Thomas Jefferson |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 20566260 United States 03/04/2013 10:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read the thread already in discussion Thread: Staff At Senior Home Refuses To Perform CPR On Dying Woman This issue doesnt have to do with DNR policy. The issue has to do with their CPR policy or lack thereof. The facility is an SNR. Here is are federal laws related to SNRs: [link to www.ssa.gov] SNFs must provide care in compliance with “accepted professional standards and principles", so regardless of their policies, as an SNR, they must follow these obligations at both a federal and state level. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1492996 United States 03/04/2013 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also to consider: The Legal Aspect. I've been told that if you attempt to do CPR on a person and they die anyway, YOU can be SUED because you FAILED to perform CPR properly (or one of many other trumped up charges). ..And if you DO decide to risk litigation, you must continue doing CPR until EMTs arrive and take over. If they had a DNR and you do CPR, you get sued. If they didn't have DNR and you do CPR, and they die, you get sued. No longer can anyone be a "Good Samaritan" without risk of being sued for not being "Good ENOUGH Samaritan". Blech. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 33733231 United States 03/04/2013 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some dipshit 911 operator blabbering like a jackass to a know-nothing media who makes a big deal out of letting an elderly woman pass away in a nh...W...T...F??? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27037112 It wasn't a nursing home. It was an independent living facility, which is like an apartment house for seniors. CPR is just standard procedure for anyone whose heart stops. Just like you would stop a wound from someone who is bleeding out, until help arrives. It is not an extensive artificial life-extending treatment. The woman who called was a nurse! She was trained in CPR. She flat-out refused. Personal ethical and moral behavior should dictate that a nurse do her best to help someone who is in distress. If the patient collapsed on the street outside, she would have been helped by any passerby who would attempt to follow the operators instruction. It is just human compassion. That nurse was disgusting. |
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Mr. Toppit User ID: 26466623 United States 03/04/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It very trendy to do a DNR but people don't anticipate the other consequences. After the DNR its very easy for one of your family to get a health care proxy and put you into Hospice Inc. Of course you're told you will die "soon". There you get rotten care, no Dr. unless he's a Hospice Dr., no trip to the hospital if you somehow change your mind and drugs to stupify you. The outcome is death.... usually within a couple of weeks. Very efficient for all concerned. The new euthanasia. Or the new Obamacare for the elderly. Drs. in emergency rooms can find elderly people incompetent in the blink of an eye and virtually force them to get a DNR on the spot. Goes right with them to the assisted living - nursing home - whatever. Its a state form where the person is registered and wears a purple band around the wrist. Being in a nursing facility for any length of time most people have a DNR just to relieve the mindless monotony of no future. Last Edited by Mr. Toppit on 03/04/2013 10:46 AM |
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Mr. Toppit User ID: 26466623 United States 03/04/2013 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | it's my understanding that this particular place is an independent living facility not a skilled nursing facility. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6595530 It is a skilled nursing facility. The last place you want a DNR is a skilled nursing facility. A real money losing operation.... to the taxpayer. |
DILKe User ID: 22944037 United States 03/04/2013 11:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's two schools of thought on this issue: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25676821 The news report is that this facility was not prepared for critically ill people, so they "did not know how" to perform CPR. The second issue to consider is did this woman have a living will declaring "DNR?" Marxism is the true enemy of our civilization. What is Cultural Marxism: [link to www.bitchute.com (secure)] |
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