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you chose NOT to vote and then whine at how things have turned out?

Sorry mate, the ballot box is not as effective as it once was, it's been in a couple of the papers a while back.. Many of us voted, and many more blindly voted for our slavery, until they bought away even that last most basic form of remedy. I agree, most can not escape, that's heartbreaking.. But if one can, why condemn their final act of self preservation? Perhaps they had been much more active than you, even seen war? Everybody has limits.
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my thoughts exactly, like voting would make a difference. even the controlled opposition UKIP which will make great headway in 2015 much like grillo in italy, have been compromised by AIPAC like interests here in britain. It all just stinks to high heaven, and I for one, want nothing more to do with it. I WANT OUT!!!!
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I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
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aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
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The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
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You hit the nail on the head OP! I'm in a somewhat similar situation and i find it very difficult to just accept "this is how things are." We didn't choose this way of life, the system did. Whatever you have a passion for do it. What's the worst that could happen?! People nowadays are not living, they are surviving.

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I have no education but still make bucks beyond what I ever thought I could..
It is meaningless.
Life is measured by what you do...who you help. Nothing else matters.
Btw....I'm a woman.
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For the last few years I'd been trying to fix all the mistakes I made in preparing myself for life as an adult, for career aspirations and making myself a great catch. None of it is real.

In college, I didn't choose a major that would be beneficial to my financial well-being. Instead, I chose to major in disciplines that for whatever reason excited me and held my attention. Stuff that I found much interest in. Those things were Anthropology, Sociology, and Religion. I learned so much from those subjects.

I went and earned a Masters' in Business Administration with a concentration in Information Systems and Management. I feel I'm a very well-rounded individual. I had a brief chat with the National Director of marketing here at my firm and she pretty much told me, without saying, that I have to seek out those with clout and kiss their asses to move up, without saying it. I can't explain how disappointed I felt after that meeting. I wanted to walk out of the building and to my car and go home. But it's not just my firm. All of the world operates in this manner. And when you see it clearly, it's enough to make you go mad.

Anyway, my point here is that I'm in a lot of debt. I am degree'd and I cannot make an affordable living. Just seems like I have to work too hard for every little thing and my soul is tired. I can't find it in my spirit to play the game necessary for making it in the world. I work with my rich mentor and his "gift" for making money stresses me out so bad. I dread coming to work and having to pretend that I want to be a part of it. I'm not even sure I want to get comfortable. I live amongst the meek. If God called for me to go now, I would leave the world without looking back. Without holding on to anything here. If I start to make good money and get comfortable, I'm afraid I won't feel as free and I will be caught in that trap. The more comfort you attain, the more you have to do to maintain it. I'm ready to go now.

I post this hear just for an ear of people who can understand where I'm coming from. I cannot express this to anyone in my life. Especially my mom. No one would understand and think I'm crazy or suicidal. Just wanted to get that out.
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Congratulations on that MBA! You have the opportunity to pay off your debts, have money to live comfortably, travel, and put food on your table, but you don't want to?

True...money doesn't "buy" happiness, but it sure is better than being poor and in debt, struggling...working two jobs, etc., like many people do. They are miserable.

I doubt if any successful person didn't seek out those with clout. I knew a PhD who felt that his degree was all he needed. He never was nice to those in authority..in fact, he'd rather argue his beliefs and, as a result, made enemies. He was stubborn. Then he wondered why he didn't get promoted. He retired and is struggling now because whatever money he saved is not getting much interest.

I also knew a young attorney (in his 30's) who never mingled socially with those in authority. He was one of the first ones to go from his firm when they had to reduce the number of employees. He had to look for a new job...it wasn't easy.

It's just a fact that you should associate with the higher ups. I once heard Oprah Winfrey say that you always should associate with those more successful than you. This is coming from a woman who lived in poverty and was raped repeatedly by her grandfather and other men in her family. How horrible is that? Other women in her situation would have given up long ago, and here she is...happy, successful, and has enough money to do whatever she wishes.

Good luck. You have your whole life ahead of you. Make it a good one.
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Excellent response.

OP,Achieving your MBA is something you should be quite proud of and it was hard work. The hard work doesn't end after the degree though. It sounds like you are just going through a "burn out" phase, which is completely understandable. You are not alone. My thoughts are with you, I have been there myself!

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Re: I'm starting to think I want to die a poor man
I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35544901


aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
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I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35544901


aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
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oh yeah, so how does that account for the many indigenous british folk that leaves these shores every single day in search of a better life elsewhere?
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It's interesting to see how some people here completely miss the OP's point and offered nothing but spoon-fed, worldly advice on how to "succeed" in a world that is collectively lost.

Suck up to higher ups? Have a child, that will satisfy the void within you. Never mind that the world is hell bent on self-destruction. With madmen controlling the levers of power, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before their selfish desires of depopulation go full swing. You know, the perfect environment to raise a child.

To be considered successful, you either have to sell your soul to the devil, and then realize somewhere down the road that you only bought yourself a life full of lies and selfish desires. Or you can recognize that no amount of money or collection of toys will save you from your destiny, which is either death and torment or eternity with your Creator and the peace that is so elusive in this world.

I'm a failure in this world. I only beat myself up about my decisions because I far too often forget that this world lies to us constantly. Too many of us today do not allow themselves to understand what has happened because they willingly have plugged themselves into the matrix. They drowned out the voice inside that God gave them, telling them to stop, listen, learn. We're too proud to admit that man is nothing more than a defiant child, insisting that we know what's best for us. We ignore our selfishness, convincing ourselves we are basically good people and that somehow we're entitled to fortune and fame. We believe the lie that there is no God, and then wonder why the world continues to get uglier, filled with rage and hate. The same people who fight so diligently to deny a God are most often the same ones who want nothing more than to be God, and impose their will on others.

So here we are. The masses continue to play the role of a rat in a maze, and become agitated when the minority amongst them insist that it isn't necessary. They get furious when some of us would dare march to the beat of another drummer. This is why so few have decided to unplug from this matrix, because it takes courage and commitment far too many lack.

If I have a little food in my belly, and some good company, and maybe even a roof over my head...i'm a happy man. A few good friends or family that I can share life with, that I can love more than I love myself, and the freedom to ignore this lost world as much as humanly possible is all I ask. I know that something much greater than this is coming one day. We all have to decide if we want to be a part of that, and whether we're willing to sacrifice here and now to get it.
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I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35544901


aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
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Hear! Hear!!
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For the last few years I'd been trying to fix all the mistakes I made in preparing myself for life as an adult, for career aspirations and making myself a great catch. None of it is real.

In college, I didn't choose a major that would be beneficial to my financial well-being. Instead, I chose to major in disciplines that for whatever reason excited me and held my attention. Stuff that I found much interest in. Those things were Anthropology, Sociology, and Religion. I learned so much from those subjects.

I went and earned a Masters' in Business Administration with a concentration in Information Systems and Management. I feel I'm a very well-rounded individual. I had a brief chat with the National Director of marketing here at my firm and she pretty much told me, without saying, that I have to seek out those with clout and kiss their asses to move up, without saying it. I can't explain how disappointed I felt after that meeting. I wanted to walk out of the building and to my car and go home. But it's not just my firm. All of the world operates in this manner. And when you see it clearly, it's enough to make you go mad.

Anyway, my point here is that I'm in a lot of debt. I am degree'd and I cannot make an affordable living. Just seems like I have to work too hard for every little thing and my soul is tired. I can't find it in my spirit to play the game necessary for making it in the world. I work with my rich mentor and his "gift" for making money stresses me out so bad. I dread coming to work and having to pretend that I want to be a part of it. I'm not even sure I want to get comfortable. I live amongst the meek. If God called for me to go now, I would leave the world without looking back. Without holding on to anything here. If I start to make good money and get comfortable, I'm afraid I won't feel as free and I will be caught in that trap. The more comfort you attain, the more you have to do to maintain it. I'm ready to go now.

I post this hear just for an ear of people who can understand where I'm coming from. I cannot express this to anyone in my life. Especially my mom. No one would understand and think I'm crazy or suicidal. Just wanted to get that out.
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With all due respect, OP....

Where much is given, much is expected.


You have an education and life experience. You know what it's like to be poor and in debt. You also know what it's like to have a wonderful education.

Okay, so you don't like your current position. I understand that and I know it can be a drag. Use your master's and all your experience to do something constructive for the poor.

Like you said, you don't want to be comfortable. I think you'd be very happy working for a non profit agency.

Remember:

If you have more, DO MORE.

You are rich at heart....now use it.
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You don't need lots of money to live a rich life. Just as expensive things don't always equal quality.

If more people really understood this there would be a lot more happy people.

There are always options, always different ways of living... Search them out, renew your mind and stop caring what 'society' thinks. Focus on yourself and what you believe to be true....the answer is already there within you.
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You don't need lots of money to live a rich life. Just as expensive things don't always equal quality.

If more people really understood this there would be a lot more happy people.

There are always options, always different ways of living... Search them out, renew your mind and stop caring what 'society' thinks. Focus on yourself and what you believe to be true....the answer is already there within you.
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They don't inderstand.....
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You don't need lots of money to live a rich life. Just as expensive things don't always equal quality.

If more people really understood this there would be a lot more happy people.

There are always options, always different ways of living... Search them out, renew your mind and stop caring what 'society' thinks. Focus on yourself and what you believe to be true....the answer is already there within you.
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They don't inderstand.....
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*understand
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I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35544901


aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


You know what the NATION (not the state) did? it created a society that had the right ingredients to be a desirable place to live in by being disciplined through the generations and making an effort to progress. The governments always get in the way of good people who want to be productive and improve their lot and their fellow man's. Learn to distinguish.

Those nations who don't have this ethic code and create societies that are abhorrent furthermore wish to escape them and that's why they immigrate into nations like those of the West. They come but with a grudge. They resent having been defeated in the past and they are frustrated with themselves for not having been able to create a harmonious society that they could desire to exist in.

Then from the envy and hatred in their hearts, instead of wishing to assimilate, they do all the opposite, they wish to force their failed policies on their host nations, the same policies and behaviors that created the kind of circumstanced they fled from. And when finally, after having worked and sent their capital to other nations instead of investing in their host nation, and after leeching the socialized services they mostly don't contribute to, they finally attain the satisfaction of seeing the better nations' downfall and then they take their money with them and go back home to enjoy the benefits that they reaped in a society that neither they nor their ancestors took the effort to build.

Granted not all of them are like that, but unfortunately the majority are.
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You need to be unpinned. Stuck in YOUR reality. Sad.
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you chose NOT to vote and then whine at how things have turned out?

Sorry mate, the ballot box is not as effective as it once was, it's been in a couple of the papers a while back.. Many of us voted, and many more blindly voted for our slavery, until they bought away even that last most basic form of remedy. I agree, most can not escape, that's heartbreaking.. But if one can, why condemn their final act of self preservation? Perhaps they had been much more active than you, even seen war? Everybody has limits.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


sorry but it really does annoy me that we in the west have to take in immigrants and watch as they destroy our culture. they are born here and demand every benefit which citizenship provides and then whent he going gets tough they suddenly remember their roots and go running "home."

britain is better off without him...
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I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35544901


aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


However, I must clarify my position.

There must always be a disconnect when referencing the nation state, and it's people.. Whom I would protect with my life if need be.. This disconnect should also be applied to people's of "aggressor" nations as well, they are no more in control of their "nations" helm then we are of ours.. And I hope somebody who was a victim of democide in my name can make the same disconnect.
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aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
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The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


You know what the NATION (not the state) did? it created a society that had the right ingredients to be a desirable place to live in by being disciplined through the generations and making an effort to progress. The governments always get in the way of good people who want to be productive and improve their lot and their fellow man's. Learn to distinguish.

Those nations who don't have this ethic code and create societies that are abhorrent furthermore wish to escape them and that's why they immigrate into nations like those of the West. They come but with a grudge. They resent having been defeated in the past and they are frustrated with themselves for not having been able to create a harmonious society that they could desire to exist in.

Then from the envy and hatred in their hearts, instead of wishing to assimilate, they do all the opposite, they wish to force their failed policies on their host nations, the same policies and behaviors that created the kind of circumstanced they fled from. And when finally, after having worked and sent their capital to other nations instead of investing in their host nation, and after leeching the socialized services they mostly don't contribute to, they finally attain the satisfaction of seeing the better nations' downfall and then they take their money with them and go back home to enjoy the benefits that they reaped in a society that neither they nor their ancestors took the effort to build.

Granted not all of them are like that, but unfortunately the majority are.
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i would rather eat a trout than admit this, but that was a damn good post...and i wish i would have said it nearly as well as you did. thumbs
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I have a good decent business, have a 5 bedroom house, wife and kids. Lately though, it is getting harder and harder to make ends meet. I have a fair amount of savings but that is for a rainy day not to help me month to month.

I spoke with a property management company yesterday. Basically because I have 7 potential rooms to let, he estimated an income of approx £2300 a month. My mortgage is £800 a month.
I have decided to up sticks and move to kashmir where my parents are originally from. We have land and a house there. I am hoping to setup a little software consultancy over there. Get some locals a job. The place is like heavej on earth. No big government, no taxes what you earn is what you earn.
Truth is cost of living is so low I wouldnt even have to work. But I will work because I want to do my bit to help others less fortunate than myself.
Can't wait to get going. So sick of what the uk has become.
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aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
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The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
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oh yeah, so how does that account for the many indigenous british folk that leaves these shores every single day in search of a better life elsewhere?
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there is a total difference, that being that the "indigenous" brits are being forced out as the immigrant completely transform britain into a country that the "indigenous" no longer recognize.

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aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


You know what the NATION (not the state) did? it created a society that had the right ingredients to be a desirable place to live in by being disciplined through the generations and making an effort to progress. The governments always get in the way of good people who want to be productive and improve their lot and their fellow man's. Learn to distinguish.

Those nations who don't have this ethic code and create societies that are abhorrent furthermore wish to escape them and that's why they immigrate into nations like those of the West. They come but with a grudge. They resent having been defeated in the past and they are frustrated with themselves for not having been able to create a harmonious society that they could desire to exist in.

Then from the envy and hatred in their hearts, instead of wishing to assimilate, they do all the opposite, they wish to force their failed policies on their host nations, the same policies and behaviors that created the kind of circumstanced they fled from. And when finally, after having worked and sent their capital to other nations instead of investing in their host nation, and after leeching the socialized services they mostly don't contribute to, they finally attain the satisfaction of seeing the better nations' downfall and then they take their money with them and go back home to enjoy the benefits that they reaped in a society that neither they nor their ancestors took the effort to build.

Granted not all of them are like that, but unfortunately the majority are.
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sorry but where do you get your information? that was WAY off the mark IMHO.
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The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


You know what the NATION (not the state) did? it created a society that had the right ingredients to be a desirable place to live in by being disciplined through the generations and making an effort to progress. The governments always get in the way of good people who want to be productive and improve their lot and their fellow man's. Learn to distinguish.

Those nations who don't have this ethic code and create societies that are abhorrent furthermore wish to escape them and that's why they immigrate into nations like those of the West. They come but with a grudge. They resent having been defeated in the past and they are frustrated with themselves for not having been able to create a harmonious society that they could desire to exist in.

Then from the envy and hatred in their hearts, instead of wishing to assimilate, they do all the opposite, they wish to force their failed policies on their host nations, the same policies and behaviors that created the kind of circumstanced they fled from. And when finally, after having worked and sent their capital to other nations instead of investing in their host nation, and after leeching the socialized services they mostly don't contribute to, they finally attain the satisfaction of seeing the better nations' downfall and then they take their money with them and go back home to enjoy the benefits that they reaped in a society that neither they nor their ancestors took the effort to build.

Granted not all of them are like that, but unfortunately the majority are.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


i would rather eat a trout than admit this, but that was a damn good post...and i wish i would have said it nearly as well as you did. thumbs
 Quoting: davvi


Don't hate it, we won't agree nor disagree with everything someone says, take what's good and discard what doesn't suit you. Forget about with whom you're talking, focus solely on the CONCEPTS.

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Maybe all those people from other countries are coming here because we are fucking them up?
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Maybe all those people from other countries are coming here because we are fucking them up?
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You? Are you sure you fucked someone up? Explain to me how, I doubt you could fuck someone up even if you really wanted to.
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aren't you fortunate that you have another place to go? europe, britain, the us, australia, and canada are all we have and then we are forced to share with all kinds of immigrants too. you made your comfort in the UK and now "f" the UK. nice.

i will bet that the average brit can't wait for you to get going too.
 Quoting: davvi


The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


You know what the NATION (not the state) did? it created a society that had the right ingredients to be a desirable place to live in by being disciplined through the generations and making an effort to progress. The governments always get in the way of good people who want to be productive and improve their lot and their fellow man's. Learn to distinguish.

Those nations who don't have this ethic code and create societies that are abhorrent furthermore wish to escape them and that's why they immigrate into nations like those of the West. They come but with a grudge. They resent having been defeated in the past and they are frustrated with themselves for not having been able to create a harmonious society that they could desire to exist in.

Then from the envy and hatred in their hearts, instead of wishing to assimilate, they do all the opposite, they wish to force their failed policies on their host nations, the same policies and behaviors that created the kind of circumstanced they fled from. And when finally, after having worked and sent their capital to other nations instead of investing in their host nation, and after leeching the socialized services they mostly don't contribute to, they finally attain the satisfaction of seeing the better nations' downfall and then they take their money with them and go back home to enjoy the benefits that they reaped in a society that neither they nor their ancestors took the effort to build.

Granted not all of them are like that, but unfortunately the majority are.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Again, I must disagree.

Good, strong people did all those things.. (The same sort of people who fled oppressive government at home) And the nation state grew off of them like a parasite until it owned them. I can cite countless examples both historical and modern of good strong people working for a better future... Can you name one state institution that should in all honesty be allowed to continue because it is fair, of benefit to all and just?
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you chose NOT to vote and then whine at how things have turned out?

Sorry mate, the ballot box is not as effective as it once was, it's been in a couple of the papers a while back.. Many of us voted, and many more blindly voted for our slavery, until they bought away even that last most basic form of remedy. I agree, most can not escape, that's heartbreaking.. But if one can, why condemn their final act of self preservation? Perhaps they had been much more active than you, even seen war? Everybody has limits.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


sorry but it really does annoy me that we in the west have to take in immigrants and watch as they destroy our culture. they are born here and demand every benefit which citizenship provides and then whent he going gets tough they suddenly remember their roots and go running "home."

britain is better off without him...
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that may well be true, although the staff I employ may disagree. my staff are the reason i have not already moved. I am training my little brother now, so that he can handle my business for me when i am gone. You see, I have not severed my ties with the UK. I will continue to provide employment for my staff, my business will continue to run. as i said before, my mortgage will be paid with a net benefit of around £1500 in my pocket every month by letting out my house.
i have fire wood and hook up some solar panels and that's my energy bills sorted for the next however long before I just chop up some more wood. bye bye to extortionate british energy prices, not to mention the coming carbon tax which will ensure higher bills year on year until at least 2030. Then there is the talk of smart meters, energy rationing. On top of that ridiculous fuel prices, soaring food prices. you get the picture. its costing me near enough £3000 a month to live here. in kashmir, that figure drops to £300 and i get to live a kings life. Thats a lot of poke to be banking every month. And i also see a business oppurtunity over there. Just like how indian IT outsourcing has taken off, I believe i could start a little consultancy in kashmir, because there is certainly a lot of raw talent there that I could train up.
SO, you see, you can think what you like, say what you like. i will be doing what is RIGHT by my family, and the best favour i could ever do for my kids is to get them out of this hell hole.
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The immigrants all want to be called British or American or German etc and get offended otherwise, yet when things go bad they take their capital somewhere else and say F the nation that gave me a chance. That's why people who argue for opening the borders and having One world order are lunatics, they just don't understand how people operate.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Sorry, I disagree..

Nations "give" you no chance, they give you nothing at all, the state takes almost everything you have, and if your lucky, hardworking or smart enough to have anything left for yourself... It's by your own efforts. The state never gave us anything but bills to pay and rules to follow under threat of life in a cage or at the point of a gun.

Period.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


You know what the NATION (not the state) did? it created a society that had the right ingredients to be a desirable place to live in by being disciplined through the generations and making an effort to progress. The governments always get in the way of good people who want to be productive and improve their lot and their fellow man's. Learn to distinguish.

Those nations who don't have this ethic code and create societies that are abhorrent furthermore wish to escape them and that's why they immigrate into nations like those of the West. They come but with a grudge. They resent having been defeated in the past and they are frustrated with themselves for not having been able to create a harmonious society that they could desire to exist in.

Then from the envy and hatred in their hearts, instead of wishing to assimilate, they do all the opposite, they wish to force their failed policies on their host nations, the same policies and behaviors that created the kind of circumstanced they fled from. And when finally, after having worked and sent their capital to other nations instead of investing in their host nation, and after leeching the socialized services they mostly don't contribute to, they finally attain the satisfaction of seeing the better nations' downfall and then they take their money with them and go back home to enjoy the benefits that they reaped in a society that neither they nor their ancestors took the effort to build.

Granted not all of them are like that, but unfortunately the majority are.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


sorry but where do you get your information? that was WAY off the mark IMHO.
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no his information is not at all off the mark, it is spot on...
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you chose NOT to vote and then whine at how things have turned out?

Sorry mate, the ballot box is not as effective as it once was, it's been in a couple of the papers a while back.. Many of us voted, and many more blindly voted for our slavery, until they bought away even that last most basic form of remedy. I agree, most can not escape, that's heartbreaking.. But if one can, why condemn their final act of self preservation? Perhaps they had been much more active than you, even seen war? Everybody has limits.
 Quoting: EscapeVelocity


sorry but it really does annoy me that we in the west have to take in immigrants and watch as they destroy our culture. they are born here and demand every benefit which citizenship provides and then whent he going gets tough they suddenly remember their roots and go running "home."

britain is better off without him...
 Quoting: davvi


that may well be true, although the staff I employ may disagree. my staff are the reason i have not already moved. I am training my little brother now, so that he can handle my business for me when i am gone. You see, I have not severed my ties with the UK. I will continue to provide employment for my staff, my business will continue to run. as i said before, my mortgage will be paid with a net benefit of around £1500 in my pocket every month by letting out my house.
i have fire wood and hook up some solar panels and that's my energy bills sorted for the next however long before I just chop up some more wood. bye bye to extortionate british energy prices, not to mention the coming carbon tax which will ensure higher bills year on year until at least 2030. Then there is the talk of smart meters, energy rationing. On top of that ridiculous fuel prices, soaring food prices. you get the picture. its costing me near enough £3000 a month to live here. in kashmir, that figure drops to £300 and i get to live a kings life. Thats a lot of poke to be banking every month. And i also see a business oppurtunity over there. Just like how indian IT outsourcing has taken off, I believe i could start a little consultancy in kashmir, because there is certainly a lot of raw talent there that I could train up.
SO, you see, you can think what you like, say what you like. i will be doing what is RIGHT by my family, and the best favour i could ever do for my kids is to get them out of this hell hole.
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and you feel no qualms about leaving your brother? lucky him...
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Then sometimes I feel the desire to buy a house.

Why would I do that?

Buying a big expensive house is self-imposed slavery.
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I want to live in one of those tiny homes/cabins you see on youtube. I don't need much space at all... Too bad there's not a community of tiny homes where you can easily own your home rather than having to work for 30 years just so you can say you own the home you've been living in all that time - all while it depreciates in value.
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That would be nice!
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