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Why are there so many "failure-to-Launch Young Men" .. . .? . . .select the most likely reason . ..

 
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I cannot decide if the society (meaning the affluent G20) are just spoiled by relative abundance and any retraction from that abundance and opportunity (by natural economic cycles) is causing undue stress or if we are being intentionally manipulated for some diabolical covert purpose . . . both are possible or a combo of the two . . . young men being the most vulnerable group to be affected . . .
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Both, at a minimum.

You sure you were military...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


30 plus years . . . started as the lowest ranking enlisted person and retired as a Colonel . . .
 Quoting: George B
So, being military, my husband being an ex-ranger, I thank you for your service...How do feel about some calling for women to sign with selective services?
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So the worm has turned. . . so men don't like a challenge . . . Hmmmm. . . .they would rather live with mommy and daddy. . . .
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This is where society becomes hypocritical George, and sadist as well. If in society very few things are worse than that stigma, and the interactions that arise 24/7 with it, then how is it not a challenge.

Society is sick, and casting aspersions.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


The pendulum swings . . . It goes too far in one direction or the other but soon returns to the middle. . . .
 Quoting: George B


By-The-Way, I was observing this behavior many, many years ago when jobs and upward mobility were not so limited for everyone. . .so I don't buy everything you are selling. . . .
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See my above point.

You weathered a small wave at sea, this is a tsunami approaching shore.
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gaining tolerance and patience or get hard and intolerant . . . grinning
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You can fit an entire personality between these stipulations.
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I could be wrong I suppose, but I can't remember the last time I ate my words.
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This is where society becomes hypocritical George, and sadist as well. If in society very few things are worse than that stigma, and the interactions that arise 24/7 with it, then how is it not a challenge.

Society is sick, and casting aspersions.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


The pendulum swings . . . It goes too far in one direction or the other but soon returns to the middle. . . .
 Quoting: George B


By-The-Way, I was observing this behavior many, many years ago when jobs and upward mobility were not so limited for everyone. . .so I don't buy everything you are selling. . . .
 Quoting: George B


See my above point.

You weathered a small wave at sea, this is a tsunami approaching shore.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm

This is where we may agree. . . If a major portion of society feels disenfranchised. . . especially when they were once given preference . . . the potential for harm may be significant. . . . hiding2
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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This is where we may agree. . . If a major portion of society feels disenfranchised. . . especially when they were once given preference . . . the potential for harm may be significant. . . . hiding2
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There are those who rely on this.
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I cannot decide if the society (meaning the affluent G20) are just spoiled by relative abundance and any retraction from that abundance and opportunity (by natural economic cycles) is causing undue stress or if we are being intentionally manipulated for some diabolical covert purpose . . . both are possible or a combo of the two . . . young men being the most vulnerable group to be affected . . .
 Quoting: George B


Both, at a minimum.

You sure you were military...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


30 plus years . . . started as the lowest ranking enlisted person and retired as a Colonel . . .
 Quoting: George B
So, being military, my husband being an ex-ranger, I thank you for your service...How do feel about some calling for women to sign with selective services?
 Quoting: Melrox


If you mean combat services . . . I think it is a slippery road . . . most women I served with didn't want anything to do with direct combat but would not run from it either . . . I personally see no need to subject women to the horror and degradation of combat . . . women are much more important to the survival of mankind than that . . . but necessity can sometime trump desire . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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This is where we may agree. . . If a major portion of society feels disenfranchised. . . especially when they were once given preference . . . the potential for harm may be significant. . . . hiding2
 Quoting: George B


There are those who rely on this.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


Who are you referring too???
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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This is where we may agree. . . If a major portion of society feels disenfranchised. . . especially when they were once given preference . . . the potential for harm may be significant. . . . hiding2
 Quoting: George B


There are those who rely on this.
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Who are you referring too???
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I guess that would be whomever is assisting in making a large segment of society disenfranchised.

I think we are all going to be surprised at just how acutely aware young men are of the expected response and manipulation over the years. All it will take is one reason to remove the willful blindness.

Often these triggers occur unexpectedly, or without fanfare.
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This is where we may agree. . . If a major portion of society feels disenfranchised. . . especially when they were once given preference . . . the potential for harm may be significant. . . . hiding2
 Quoting: George B


There are those who rely on this.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


Who are you referring too???
 Quoting: George B


I guess that would be whomever is assisting in making a large segment of society disenfranchised.

I think we are all going to be surprised at just how acutely aware young men are of the expected response and manipulation over the years. All it will take is one reason to remove the willful blindness.

Often these triggers occur unexpectedly, or without fanfare.
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So what do the "assisting" want. . . ? Do they wish a violent response or just a higher and quicker rate of subjugation. . . ?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Both, at a minimum.

You sure you were military...
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


30 plus years . . . started as the lowest ranking enlisted person and retired as a Colonel . . .
 Quoting: George B
So, being military, my husband being an ex-ranger, I thank you for your service...How do feel about some calling for women to sign with selective services?
 Quoting: Melrox


If you mean combat services . . . I think it is a slippery road . . . most women I served with didn't want anything to do with direct combat but would not run from it either . . . I personally see no need to subject women to the horror and degradation of combat . . . women are much more important to the survival of mankind than that . . . but necessity can sometime trump desire . . .
 Quoting: George B
My husband being a combat veteran, 1 tour Afghanistan, 2 tours Iraq, and the father of 3 daughters...he has very strong feelings on
on the matter. Women are NOT equal to men, and it seems TPTB are taking full advantage of this equality BS.
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There are those who rely on this.
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Who are you referring too???
 Quoting: George B


I guess that would be whomever is assisting in making a large segment of society disenfranchised.

I think we are all going to be surprised at just how acutely aware young men are of the expected response and manipulation over the years. All it will take is one reason to remove the willful blindness.

Often these triggers occur unexpectedly, or without fanfare.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


So what do the "assisting" want. . . ? Do they wish a violent response or just a higher and quicker rate of subjugation. . . ?
 Quoting: George B


I suspect they want something, new. Something shocking and awesome.
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Who are you referring too???
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I guess that would be whomever is assisting in making a large segment of society disenfranchised.

I think we are all going to be surprised at just how acutely aware young men are of the expected response and manipulation over the years. All it will take is one reason to remove the willful blindness.

Often these triggers occur unexpectedly, or without fanfare.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


So what do the "assisting" want. . . ? Do they wish a violent response or just a higher and quicker rate of subjugation. . . ?

 Quoting: George B


I suspect they want something, new. Something shocking and awesome.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


You have some ideas. . . you must have thought about it???
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Imagine a nuclear strike taking out a city in today's age, without triggering further nuclear conflict.

That would be somewhat shocking, because the last time a nuclear strike occurred openly, the USA was basically the only nuclear option around. And as soon as they used their weapons, they were not any more.

Now think about the contrast of today's youth, against what has historically occurred with young men.

Look how quickly Hitler captured the heart of a population, then look at the scale of the republic, versus the planet.

Now look to space, and the future.
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Imagine a nuclear strike taking out a city in today's age, without triggering further nuclear conflict.

That would be somewhat shocking, because the last time a nuclear strike occurred openly, the USA was basically the only nuclear option around. And as soon as they used their weapons, they were not any more.

Now think about the contrast of today's youth, against what has historically occurred with young men.

Look how quickly Hitler captured the heart of a population, then look at the scale of the republic, versus the planet.

Now look to space, and the future.
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What does the above scenario have to do with disenfranchising young majority men. . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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A trigger.
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I could be wrong I suppose, but I can't remember the last time I ate my words.
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Maybe you are wrong and it's not a doomy tsunami that's approaching, but the newfound beach at a higher elevation.

My first thought to your thread, OP - why is there a movement afoot that elevates succeeded-to-launch women to role-model status in today's worlds of politics, economics, and business?

Why is the reponse to this movement that's growing now one that serves to break down the failure-to-launch men?

Who is going to step up and start focusing unbiased attention towards the failing women and the successful men?

It seems to me a person able to author a poll like this is stuck in the notion that men are expected to succeed in society and women are expected to faithfully ride on their coattails.

Well, the feminist movement was remiss to let us know that they were going to conveniently hold onto that expectation of male success and do whatever the fuck they please.

Young men expect very little from the women of their generation except that they will be tempted daily to use men for whatever financial and/or societal gain they are able to get out of a relationship and tuck tail and run at the first sight of greener grass.

The seeding of temptation is the important part to focus on. The temptation for young men now is to sit back and be lazy, and it's a result of women doing exactly this in men's eyes for too long. I'm not saying women are lazy - but the viewpoint that they are exists as a result of the long-standing societal norm of working man / housekeeping woman.

Again, the feminists fucked up when they were remiss to educate men on what housekeeping is all about before they tucked tail and ran into the working environment, leaving men to fend for themselves.

So, OP - where the fuck is 'The Feminist Movement's failures' in the list of answers?


The only truthful intent I can see in this poll is an attempt to find where one would place a band-aid upon socity. A place towards which to shift blame for the ills of society. A place to look so that one need not look where one needs to.

If you were kind enough to ask, I would explain to you the reasons why I at times fit the mold you question the root cause of. If you were not so judgmental and trying to generalize a personal issue, I would share how I escaped.

If you cared about the troubling situation with your heart, you would find the answer that can set you at ease.

Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?

The real problem to be discussed is the masses of failure-to-launch PEOPLE. That's how you treat women and men equally - by stopping this fucking nonsense of casting problems of society onto solely one or the other.
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30 plus years . . . started as the lowest ranking enlisted person and retired as a Colonel . . .
 Quoting: George B
So, being military, my husband being an ex-ranger, I thank you for your service...How do feel about some calling for women to sign with selective services?
 Quoting: Melrox


If you mean combat services . . . I think it is a slippery road . . . most women I served with didn't want anything to do with direct combat but would not run from it either . . . I personally see no need to subject women to the horror and degradation of combat . . . women are much more important to the survival of mankind than that . . . but necessity can
sometime trump desire . . .
 Quoting: George B
My husband being a combat veteran, 1 tour Afghanistan, 2 tours Iraq, and the father of 3 daughters...he has very strong feelings on
on the matter. Women are NOT equal to men, and it seems TPTB are taking full advantage of this equality BS.
 Quoting: Melrox

It is hard to argue against your points . . . there are exceptions but most women don't have the upper body strength and emotional detachment to deal with many combat situations . . . women are too nurturing, thank God!, to blow away people without a second thought . . . it scars and destroys many men . . . what do you think it would do to a woman . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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A trigger.
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Seems a terrible economy is sufficient. . . see pre-WWII Germany for that one. . . .why all the need to destroy a segment of society you wish to exploit . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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A trigger.
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Seems a terrible economy is sufficient. . . see pre-WWII Germany for that one. . . .why all the need to destroy a segment of society you wish to exploit . . .
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They wanted something bigger than anything ever seen before.
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On what evidence do you base your conclusion women are more incompetent than men?
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Being the last male survivor of a civilization consisting entirely of women.

Don't ask...
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Lam 4:2 The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!
Lam 4:3 Even the sea monsters draw out the breast, they give suck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness.
Lam 4:4 The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, and no man breaketh it unto them.
Lam 4:5 They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills.
Lam 4:6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.
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The reason is I think was not listed. It's the parents and CPS. Saying no to a child in several places is now considered to be child abuse when done by the parent.
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The reason is I think was not listed. It's the parents and CPS. Saying no to a child in several places is now considered to be child abuse when done by the parent.
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No.
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I could be wrong I suppose, but I can't remember the last time I ate my words.
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Maybe you are wrong and it's not a doomy tsunami that's approaching, but the newfound beach at a higher elevation.

My first thought to your thread, OP - why is there a movement afoot that elevates succeeded-to-launch women to role-model status in today's worlds of politics, economics, and business?

Why is the reponse to this movement that's growing now one that serves to break down the failure-to-launch men?

Who is going to step up and start focusing unbiased attention towards the failing women and the successful men?

It seems to me a person able to author a poll like this is stuck in the notion that men are expected to succeed in society and women are expected to faithfully ride on their coattails.

Well, the feminist movement was remiss to let us know that they were going to conveniently hold onto that expectation of male success and do whatever the fuck they please.

Young men expect very little from the women of their generation except that they will be tempted daily to use men for whatever financial and/or societal gain they are able to get out of a relationship and tuck tail and run
at the first sight of greener grass.

The seeding of temptation is the important part to focus on. The temptation for young men now is to sit back and be lazy, and it's a result of women doing exactly this in men's eyes for too long. I'm not saying women are lazy - but the viewpoint that they are exists as a result of the long-standing societal norm of working man / housekeeping woman.

Again, the feminists fucked up when they were remiss to educate men on what housekeeping is all about before they tucked tail and ran into the
working environment, leaving men to fend for themselves.

So, OP - where the fuck is 'The Feminist Movement's failures' in the list of answers?


The only truthful intent I can see in this poll is an attempt to find where one would place a band-aid upon socity. A place towards which to shift blame
for the ills of society. A place to look so that one need not look where one needs to.

If you were kind enough to ask, I would explain to you the reasons why I at times fit the mold you question the root cause of. If you were not so judgmental and trying to generalize a personal issue, I would share how I escaped.

If you cared about the troubling situation with your heart, you would find the answer that can set you at ease.

Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?

The real problem to be discussed is the masses of failure-to-launch
PEOPLE. That's how you treat women and men equally - by stopping this fucking nonsense of casting problems of society onto solely one or the other.
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Hmmmm. . . . You raise several complex issue. . . I will start with. . . ."Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?"

1) I have no children so I don't have a direct concern in the issue . . .
2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
3) Of most of my friends with children of Launching Age. . . The boys are still at home living off their parents though just as intelligent and capable as their sisters . . . while the daughters are in professional or graduate schools. . .
4) While I know my anecdotal observations are not scientific I have found this phenomenon a concern throughout much of the developed world. . . .
5) The Poll was an attempt to tap the opinions of a much broader group than my friends and acquaintances . . .
6) I have no illusion that the Poll is scientific, complete or free from my own
bias. . . .
7) I do think it has touched a raw nerve . . . all opinions are welcome. . . so please share your opinion. . . .

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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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It's has a lot to do with:

The media, school, and society.

The media tells their mind subliminally that the only way to be successful is to have sex with every girl you meet, and working is for losers. They also tell you that dressing like a girl is a major turn on for women.

It's funny how most people my age (21) are pathetic, failures with one or more kids and either have a dead end job or no job, Highschool or College dropouts. And what ever money they make, they spend it on booze, drugs, and partying rather than spending it on their kids.

The school board is messed up beyond belief. They keep loading down kids with more and more senseless work, removed God from every school in the states, and now are wanting to remove God from the National Anthem and teach evolution as total fact. They force you to give your kids shots, which will give them ADHD and autistic behavior.

I remember when I was in 7th grade, it was reading time and the only thing I had with me in my binder was my Bible, so I decided to read it. The teacher came to me and told me I was not allowed to read that book in school and took it away from me. I didn't understand at the time but now that I think of it, it makes me angry that I couldn't read something that has to do with Christianity. I bet if it was the Quaran, she wouldn't have said anything at all.
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It's has a lot to do with:

The media, school, and society.

The media tells their mind subliminally that the only way to be successful is to have sex with every girl you meet, and working is for losers. They also tell you that dressing like a girl is a major turn on for women.

It's funny how most people my age (21) are pathetic, failures with one or more kids and either have a dead end job or no job, Highschool or College dropouts. And what ever money they make, they spend it on booze, drugs, and partying rather than spending it on their kids.

The school board is messed up beyond belief. They keep loading down kids with more and more senseless work, removed God from every school in the states, and now are wanting to remove God from the National Anthem and teach evolution as total fact. They force you to give your kids shots, which will give them ADHD and autistic behavior.

I remember when I was in 7th grade, it was reading time and the only thing I had with me in my binder was my Bible, so I decided to read it. The teacher came to me and told me I was not allowed to read that book in school and took it away from me. I didn't understand at the time but now that I think of it, it makes me angry that I couldn't read something that has to do with Christianity. I bet if it was the Quaran, she wouldn't have said anything at all.
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So you think the failure to launch is just as much a girl thing as it is a guy thing?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Re: Why are there so many "failure-to-Launch Young Men" .. . .? . . .select the most likely reason . ..
Hmmmm. . . . You raise several complex issue. . . I will start with. . . ."Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?"

1) I have no children so I don't have a direct concern in the issue . . .
2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
3) Of most of my friends with children of Launching Age. . . The boys are still at home living off their parents though just as intelligent and capable as their sisters . . . while the daughters are in professional or graduate schools. . .
4) While I know my anecdotal observations are not scientific I have found this phenomenon a concern throughout much of the developed world. . . .
5) The Poll was an attempt to tap the opinions of a much broader group than my friends and acquaintances . . .
6) I have no illusion that the Poll is scientific, complete or free from my own
bias. . . .
7) I do think it has touched a raw nerve . . . all opinions are welcome. . . so please share your opinion. . . .
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'Raw nerve'? Nah, just tired of my generation being cast into the shadow when I am part of it and am the sole provider with full custody of my two daughters.

Still, I have to tip-toe around every issue with their mother because the state is a hypocritical beast that legislates gender equality in all aspects except parenthood. I'm lucky she was stupid and signed away all of her rights except for equal representation in legal custody matters of residence, schooling, and medical care. Despite the fact she has done that, I have been warned many times by my lawyer that there is a very real risk that if she comes upon the money to afford the lawyer, she could walk out of court with more than a fair share of split custody.

Anyone factor that into young men's aversion to creating a family? Why create something that a woman, backed by the state, can take away at a whim out of spite?

As long as the state refuses to ackowledge that men are equally capable of raising children as women are, most young men are not going to have any incentive to have a family of their own.

I will not argue that men and women are equal in all regards, but we are in some that are not generally accepted. The young men who could not handle a family household by themself simply haven't had a role model who could or haven't been taught how to do so.

Not sure you caught the nuance of part of my post. You did mention the feminist movement as a reason. You did not, however, clearly state it as being a failure of the movement. It's not politically correct to speak of how women in society are failing us, so I ask you again, WHY do you focus on the failures of young men? Sure, you have anecdotal evidence from your personal life to support the disparity, but are you absolutely sure you aren't only noticing the anecdotes that feed the paradigm instilled by the media?
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2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
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Women were given the opportunities, scholarships, and inverse discrimination to break out of their societal mold.

Does it really surprise you that young men would try to do the same for themselves?

Does it really surprise you that they choose to be TV zombies, drug addicts, parents' basement dwellers, and gamers when they are given no direction on what type of mold they should, could, or would break into if they had their own best interests at heart?

How would you advise these young men whose molds are being encroached upon with no replacement opportunities given to go about transforming their societal image to meet the demand of a changed society?

The only new mold that has been pushed onto young men to fill the void is the openly homosexual one.
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Re: Why are there so many "failure-to-Launch Young Men" .. . .? . . .select the most likely reason . ..
Hmmmm. . . . You raise several complex issue. . . I will start with. . . ."Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?"

1) I have no children so I don't have a direct concern in the issue . . .
2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
3) Of most of my friends with children of Launching Age. . . The boys are still at home living off their parents though just as intelligent and capable as their sisters . . . while the daughters are in professional or graduate schools. . .
4) While I know my anecdotal observations are not scientific I have found this phenomenon a concern throughout much of the developed world. . . .
5) The Poll was an attempt to tap the opinions of a much broader group than my friends and acquaintances . . .
6) I have no illusion that the Poll is scientific, complete or free from my own
bias. . . .
7) I do think it has touched a raw nerve . . . all opinions are welcome. . . so please share your opinion. . . .
 Quoting: George B


'Raw nerve'? Nah, just tired of my generation being cast into the shadow when I am part of it and am the sole provider with full custody of my two daughters.

Still, I have to tip-toe around every issue with their mother because the state is a hypocritical beast that legislates gender equality in all aspects except parenthood. I'm lucky she was stupid and signed away all of her rights except for equal representation in legal custody matters of residence, schooling, and medical care. Despite the fact she has done that, I have been warned many times by my lawyer that there is a very real risk that if she comes upon the money to afford the lawyer, she could walk out of court with more than a fair share of split custody.

Anyone factor that into young men's aversion to creating a family? Why create something that a woman, backed by the state, can take away at a whim out of spite?

As long as the state refuses to ackowledge that men are equally capable of raising children as women are, most young men are not going to have any incentive to have a family of their own.

I will not argue that men and women are equal in all regards, but we are in some that are not generally accepted. The young men who could not handle a family household by themself simply haven't had a role model who could or haven't been taught how to do so.

Not sure you caught the nuance of part of my post. You did mention the feminist movement as a reason. You did not, however, clearly state it as being a failure of the movement. It's not politically correct to speak of how women in society are failing us, so I ask you again, WHY do you focus on the failures of young men? Sure, you have anecdotal evidence from your personal life to support the disparity, but are you absolutely sure you aren't only noticing the anecdotes that feed the paradigm instilled by the media?
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I greatly respect your commitment to care and nurture your young family . . . I am aware of the difficulty that men have in swimming up stream against the court system when it comes to family law . . . you are a courageous example of what should be the norm . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
 Quoting: George B


Women were given the opportunities, scholarships, and inverse discrimination to break out of their societal mold.

Does it really surprise you that young men would try to do the same for themselves?

Does it really surprise you that they choose to be TV zombies, drug addicts, parents' basement dwellers, and gamers when they are given no direction on what type of mold they should, could, or would break into if they had their own best interests at heart?

How would you advise these young men whose molds are being encroached upon with no replacement opportunities given to go about transforming their societal image to meet the demand of a changed society?

The only new mold that has been pushed onto young men to fill the void is the openly homosexual one.
 Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat


That is a problem that African Americans have statistically struggled with for decades . . . the women basically retain the steady jobs and the guys many times get into trouble or are under employed . . . the women left also with the child rearing frequently alone or along with grandparents, etc . . .

Don't think they have found the answer . . . and there may be no quick fix . . . when resources are limited as in good jobs . . . one either works harder or moves to where jobs exist . . . sometimes regrettably some people simply fail . . . the point is not to give up . . . what does anyone gain from giving up?

The person to Mold ones life after is the person who has been a success in your eyes . . . success is different to different people . . .

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B

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