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I could be wrong I suppose, but I can't remember the last time I ate my words.
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Maybe you are wrong and it's not a doomy tsunami that's approaching, but the newfound beach at a higher elevation.

My first thought to your thread, OP - why is there a movement afoot that elevates succeeded-to-launch women to role-model status in today's worlds of politics, economics, and business?

Why is the reponse to this movement that's growing now one that serves to break down the failure-to-launch men?

Who is going to step up and start focusing unbiased attention towards the failing women and the successful men?

It seems to me a person able to author a poll like this is stuck in the notion that men are expected to succeed in society and women are expected to faithfully ride on their coattails.

Well, the feminist movement was remiss to let us know that they were going to conveniently hold onto that expectation of male success and do whatever the fuck they please.

Young men expect very little from the women of their generation except that they will be tempted daily to use men for whatever financial and/or societal gain they are able to get out of a relationship and tuck tail and run at the first sight of greener grass.

The seeding of temptation is the important part to focus on. The temptation for young men now is to sit back and be lazy, and it's a result of women doing exactly this in men's eyes for too long. I'm not saying women are lazy - but the viewpoint that they are exists as a result of the long-standing societal norm of working man / housekeeping woman.

Again, the feminists fucked up when they were remiss to educate men on what housekeeping is all about before they tucked tail and ran into the working environment, leaving men to fend for themselves.

So, OP - where the fuck is 'The Feminist Movement's failures' in the list of answers?


The only truthful intent I can see in this poll is an attempt to find where one would place a band-aid upon socity. A place towards which to shift blame for the ills of society. A place to look so that one need not look where one needs to.

If you were kind enough to ask, I would explain to you the reasons why I at times fit the mold you question the root cause of. If you were not so judgmental and trying to generalize a personal issue, I would share how I escaped.

If you cared about the troubling situation with your heart, you would find the answer that can set you at ease.

Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?

The real problem to be discussed is the masses of failure-to-launch PEOPLE. That's how you treat women and men equally - by stopping this fucking nonsense of casting problems of society onto solely one or the other.
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30 plus years . . . started as the lowest ranking enlisted person and retired as a Colonel . . .
 Quoting: George B
So, being military, my husband being an ex-ranger, I thank you for your service...How do feel about some calling for women to sign with selective services?
 Quoting: Melrox


If you mean combat services . . . I think it is a slippery road . . . most women I served with didn't want anything to do with direct combat but would not run from it either . . . I personally see no need to subject women to the horror and degradation of combat . . . women are much more important to the survival of mankind than that . . . but necessity can
sometime trump desire . . .
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My husband being a combat veteran, 1 tour Afghanistan, 2 tours Iraq, and the father of 3 daughters...he has very strong feelings on
on the matter. Women are NOT equal to men, and it seems TPTB are taking full advantage of this equality BS.
 Quoting: Melrox

It is hard to argue against your points . . . there are exceptions but most women don't have the upper body strength and emotional detachment to deal with many combat situations . . . women are too nurturing, thank God!, to blow away people without a second thought . . . it scars and destroys many men . . . what do you think it would do to a woman . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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A trigger.
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Seems a terrible economy is sufficient. . . see pre-WWII Germany for that one. . . .why all the need to destroy a segment of society you wish to exploit . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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A trigger.
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Seems a terrible economy is sufficient. . . see pre-WWII Germany for that one. . . .why all the need to destroy a segment of society you wish to exploit . . .
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They wanted something bigger than anything ever seen before.
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On what evidence do you base your conclusion women are more incompetent than men?
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Being the last male survivor of a civilization consisting entirely of women.

Don't ask...
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Lam 4:2 The precious sons of Zion, comparable to fine gold, how are they esteemed as earthen pitchers, the work of the hands of the potter!
Lam 4:3 Even the sea monsters draw out the breast, they give suck to their young ones: the daughter of my people is become cruel, like the ostriches in the wilderness.
Lam 4:4 The tongue of the sucking child cleaveth to the roof of his mouth for thirst: the young children ask bread, and no man breaketh it unto them.
Lam 4:5 They that did feed delicately are desolate in the streets: they that were brought up in scarlet embrace dunghills.
Lam 4:6 For the punishment of the iniquity of the daughter of my people is greater than the punishment of the sin of Sodom, that was overthrown as in a moment, and no hands stayed on her.
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The reason is I think was not listed. It's the parents and CPS. Saying no to a child in several places is now considered to be child abuse when done by the parent.
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The reason is I think was not listed. It's the parents and CPS. Saying no to a child in several places is now considered to be child abuse when done by the parent.
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No.
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I could be wrong I suppose, but I can't remember the last time I ate my words.
 Quoting: Obsequious Pachyderm


Maybe you are wrong and it's not a doomy tsunami that's approaching, but the newfound beach at a higher elevation.

My first thought to your thread, OP - why is there a movement afoot that elevates succeeded-to-launch women to role-model status in today's worlds of politics, economics, and business?

Why is the reponse to this movement that's growing now one that serves to break down the failure-to-launch men?

Who is going to step up and start focusing unbiased attention towards the failing women and the successful men?

It seems to me a person able to author a poll like this is stuck in the notion that men are expected to succeed in society and women are expected to faithfully ride on their coattails.

Well, the feminist movement was remiss to let us know that they were going to conveniently hold onto that expectation of male success and do whatever the fuck they please.

Young men expect very little from the women of their generation except that they will be tempted daily to use men for whatever financial and/or societal gain they are able to get out of a relationship and tuck tail and run
at the first sight of greener grass.

The seeding of temptation is the important part to focus on. The temptation for young men now is to sit back and be lazy, and it's a result of women doing exactly this in men's eyes for too long. I'm not saying women are lazy - but the viewpoint that they are exists as a result of the long-standing societal norm of working man / housekeeping woman.

Again, the feminists fucked up when they were remiss to educate men on what housekeeping is all about before they tucked tail and ran into the
working environment, leaving men to fend for themselves.

So, OP - where the fuck is 'The Feminist Movement's failures' in the list of answers?


The only truthful intent I can see in this poll is an attempt to find where one would place a band-aid upon socity. A place towards which to shift blame
for the ills of society. A place to look so that one need not look where one needs to.

If you were kind enough to ask, I would explain to you the reasons why I at times fit the mold you question the root cause of. If you were not so judgmental and trying to generalize a personal issue, I would share how I escaped.

If you cared about the troubling situation with your heart, you would find the answer that can set you at ease.

Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?

The real problem to be discussed is the masses of failure-to-launch
PEOPLE. That's how you treat women and men equally - by stopping this fucking nonsense of casting problems of society onto solely one or the other.
 Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat

Hmmmm. . . . You raise several complex issue. . . I will start with. . . ."Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?"

1) I have no children so I don't have a direct concern in the issue . . .
2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
3) Of most of my friends with children of Launching Age. . . The boys are still at home living off their parents though just as intelligent and capable as their sisters . . . while the daughters are in professional or graduate schools. . .
4) While I know my anecdotal observations are not scientific I have found this phenomenon a concern throughout much of the developed world. . . .
5) The Poll was an attempt to tap the opinions of a much broader group than my friends and acquaintances . . .
6) I have no illusion that the Poll is scientific, complete or free from my own
bias. . . .
7) I do think it has touched a raw nerve . . . all opinions are welcome. . . so please share your opinion. . . .

Last Edited by George B on 03/13/2013 11:20 AM
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It's has a lot to do with:

The media, school, and society.

The media tells their mind subliminally that the only way to be successful is to have sex with every girl you meet, and working is for losers. They also tell you that dressing like a girl is a major turn on for women.

It's funny how most people my age (21) are pathetic, failures with one or more kids and either have a dead end job or no job, Highschool or College dropouts. And what ever money they make, they spend it on booze, drugs, and partying rather than spending it on their kids.

The school board is messed up beyond belief. They keep loading down kids with more and more senseless work, removed God from every school in the states, and now are wanting to remove God from the National Anthem and teach evolution as total fact. They force you to give your kids shots, which will give them ADHD and autistic behavior.

I remember when I was in 7th grade, it was reading time and the only thing I had with me in my binder was my Bible, so I decided to read it. The teacher came to me and told me I was not allowed to read that book in school and took it away from me. I didn't understand at the time but now that I think of it, it makes me angry that I couldn't read something that has to do with Christianity. I bet if it was the Quaran, she wouldn't have said anything at all.
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It's has a lot to do with:

The media, school, and society.

The media tells their mind subliminally that the only way to be successful is to have sex with every girl you meet, and working is for losers. They also tell you that dressing like a girl is a major turn on for women.

It's funny how most people my age (21) are pathetic, failures with one or more kids and either have a dead end job or no job, Highschool or College dropouts. And what ever money they make, they spend it on booze, drugs, and partying rather than spending it on their kids.

The school board is messed up beyond belief. They keep loading down kids with more and more senseless work, removed God from every school in the states, and now are wanting to remove God from the National Anthem and teach evolution as total fact. They force you to give your kids shots, which will give them ADHD and autistic behavior.

I remember when I was in 7th grade, it was reading time and the only thing I had with me in my binder was my Bible, so I decided to read it. The teacher came to me and told me I was not allowed to read that book in school and took it away from me. I didn't understand at the time but now that I think of it, it makes me angry that I couldn't read something that has to do with Christianity. I bet if it was the Quaran, she wouldn't have said anything at all.
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So you think the failure to launch is just as much a girl thing as it is a guy thing?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Hmmmm. . . . You raise several complex issue. . . I will start with. . . ."Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?"

1) I have no children so I don't have a direct concern in the issue . . .
2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
3) Of most of my friends with children of Launching Age. . . The boys are still at home living off their parents though just as intelligent and capable as their sisters . . . while the daughters are in professional or graduate schools. . .
4) While I know my anecdotal observations are not scientific I have found this phenomenon a concern throughout much of the developed world. . . .
5) The Poll was an attempt to tap the opinions of a much broader group than my friends and acquaintances . . .
6) I have no illusion that the Poll is scientific, complete or free from my own
bias. . . .
7) I do think it has touched a raw nerve . . . all opinions are welcome. . . so please share your opinion. . . .
 Quoting: George B


'Raw nerve'? Nah, just tired of my generation being cast into the shadow when I am part of it and am the sole provider with full custody of my two daughters.

Still, I have to tip-toe around every issue with their mother because the state is a hypocritical beast that legislates gender equality in all aspects except parenthood. I'm lucky she was stupid and signed away all of her rights except for equal representation in legal custody matters of residence, schooling, and medical care. Despite the fact she has done that, I have been warned many times by my lawyer that there is a very real risk that if she comes upon the money to afford the lawyer, she could walk out of court with more than a fair share of split custody.

Anyone factor that into young men's aversion to creating a family? Why create something that a woman, backed by the state, can take away at a whim out of spite?

As long as the state refuses to ackowledge that men are equally capable of raising children as women are, most young men are not going to have any incentive to have a family of their own.

I will not argue that men and women are equal in all regards, but we are in some that are not generally accepted. The young men who could not handle a family household by themself simply haven't had a role model who could or haven't been taught how to do so.

Not sure you caught the nuance of part of my post. You did mention the feminist movement as a reason. You did not, however, clearly state it as being a failure of the movement. It's not politically correct to speak of how women in society are failing us, so I ask you again, WHY do you focus on the failures of young men? Sure, you have anecdotal evidence from your personal life to support the disparity, but are you absolutely sure you aren't only noticing the anecdotes that feed the paradigm instilled by the media?
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2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
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Women were given the opportunities, scholarships, and inverse discrimination to break out of their societal mold.

Does it really surprise you that young men would try to do the same for themselves?

Does it really surprise you that they choose to be TV zombies, drug addicts, parents' basement dwellers, and gamers when they are given no direction on what type of mold they should, could, or would break into if they had their own best interests at heart?

How would you advise these young men whose molds are being encroached upon with no replacement opportunities given to go about transforming their societal image to meet the demand of a changed society?

The only new mold that has been pushed onto young men to fill the void is the openly homosexual one.
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Hmmmm. . . . You raise several complex issue. . . I will start with. . . ."Why don't you start by sharing why YOU, personally, are so concerned about this problem of today's world?"

1) I have no children so I don't have a direct concern in the issue . . .
2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
3) Of most of my friends with children of Launching Age. . . The boys are still at home living off their parents though just as intelligent and capable as their sisters . . . while the daughters are in professional or graduate schools. . .
4) While I know my anecdotal observations are not scientific I have found this phenomenon a concern throughout much of the developed world. . . .
5) The Poll was an attempt to tap the opinions of a much broader group than my friends and acquaintances . . .
6) I have no illusion that the Poll is scientific, complete or free from my own
bias. . . .
7) I do think it has touched a raw nerve . . . all opinions are welcome. . . so please share your opinion. . . .
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'Raw nerve'? Nah, just tired of my generation being cast into the shadow when I am part of it and am the sole provider with full custody of my two daughters.

Still, I have to tip-toe around every issue with their mother because the state is a hypocritical beast that legislates gender equality in all aspects except parenthood. I'm lucky she was stupid and signed away all of her rights except for equal representation in legal custody matters of residence, schooling, and medical care. Despite the fact she has done that, I have been warned many times by my lawyer that there is a very real risk that if she comes upon the money to afford the lawyer, she could walk out of court with more than a fair share of split custody.

Anyone factor that into young men's aversion to creating a family? Why create something that a woman, backed by the state, can take away at a whim out of spite?

As long as the state refuses to ackowledge that men are equally capable of raising children as women are, most young men are not going to have any incentive to have a family of their own.

I will not argue that men and women are equal in all regards, but we are in some that are not generally accepted. The young men who could not handle a family household by themself simply haven't had a role model who could or haven't been taught how to do so.

Not sure you caught the nuance of part of my post. You did mention the feminist movement as a reason. You did not, however, clearly state it as being a failure of the movement. It's not politically correct to speak of how women in society are failing us, so I ask you again, WHY do you focus on the failures of young men? Sure, you have anecdotal evidence from your personal life to support the disparity, but are you absolutely sure you aren't only noticing the anecdotes that feed the paradigm instilled by the media?
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I greatly respect your commitment to care and nurture your young family . . . I am aware of the difficulty that men have in swimming up stream against the court system when it comes to family law . . . you are a courageous example of what should be the norm . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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2) I have observed over the years because of my career a major change in the number and rate of young men away from the professional schools within the US. . . specifically . . . Medical and Dental Schools, Veterinary Schools and Law Schools. . . .
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Women were given the opportunities, scholarships, and inverse discrimination to break out of their societal mold.

Does it really surprise you that young men would try to do the same for themselves?

Does it really surprise you that they choose to be TV zombies, drug addicts, parents' basement dwellers, and gamers when they are given no direction on what type of mold they should, could, or would break into if they had their own best interests at heart?

How would you advise these young men whose molds are being encroached upon with no replacement opportunities given to go about transforming their societal image to meet the demand of a changed society?

The only new mold that has been pushed onto young men to fill the void is the openly homosexual one.
 Quoting: Deaf Cat in the Blue Hat


That is a problem that African Americans have statistically struggled with for decades . . . the women basically retain the steady jobs and the guys many times get into trouble or are under employed . . . the women left also with the child rearing frequently alone or along with grandparents, etc . . .

Don't think they have found the answer . . . and there may be no quick fix . . . when resources are limited as in good jobs . . . one either works harder or moves to where jobs exist . . . sometimes regrettably some people simply fail . . . the point is not to give up . . . what does anyone gain from giving up?

The person to Mold ones life after is the person who has been a success in your eyes . . . success is different to different people . . .

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That is a problem that African Americans have statistically struggled with for decades . . . the women basically retain the steady jobs and the guys many times get into trouble or are under employed . . . the women left also with the child rearing frequently alone or along with grandparents, etc . . .

Don't think they have found the answer . . . and there may be no quick fix . . . when resources are limited as in good jobs . . . one either works harder or moves to where jobs exist . . . sometimes regrettably some people simply fail . . . the point is not to give up . . . what does anyone gain from giving up?

The person to Mold ones life after is the person who has been a success in your eyes . . . success is different to different people . . .
 Quoting: George B


The very concept of how success is to be defined differs much as well.

"The proper rewards are not simply tacked onto the activity for which they are given, but are the activity itself in consummation." -C.S. Lewis

The problem with sociology, IMHO, is that it attempts to balance the struggles/success of society to meet a greater good.

The only greater good is that which is good for all. There will be no greater good as long as such things as scholarships for and only for African Americans exist.

Society as a whole needs a helping hand. When our governments and sociologists pick out one group of people to help, no matter how well intended the action is, it will cause another group to hurt. Two wrongs don't make a right.

The only qualifications that should exist for welfare are:

1) are you a person?
2) are you in need of assistance to have food, water, shelter, and/or medical care that can not be achieved through a change in lifestyle?

I know it's a shitty stance to have to say all we need to do is keep stepping backward until we get everything off the books that segregates any one person from any opportunity - but it's the sad truth.
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That is a problem that African Americans have statistically struggled with for decades . . . the women basically retain the steady jobs and the guys many times get into trouble or are under employed . . . the women left also with the child rearing frequently alone or along with grandparents, etc . . .

Don't think they have found the answer . . . and there may be no quick fix . . . when resources are limited as in good jobs . . . one either works harder or moves to where jobs exist . . . sometimes regrettably some people simply fail . . . the point is not to give up . . . what does anyone gain from giving up?

The person to Mold ones life after is the person who has been a success in your eyes . . . success is different to different people . . .
 Quoting: George B


The very concept of how success is to be defined differs much as well.

"The proper rewards are not simply tacked onto the activity for which they are given, but are the activity itself in consummation." -C.S. Lewis

The problem with sociology, IMHO, is that it attempts to balance the struggles/success of society to meet a greater good.

The only greater good is that which is good for all. There will be no greater good as long as such things as scholarships for and only for African Americans exist.

Society as a whole needs a helping hand. When our governments and sociologists pick out one group of people to help, no matter how well intended the action is, it will cause another group to hurt. Two wrongs don't make a right.

The only qualifications that should exist for welfare are:

1) are you a person?
2) are you in need of assistance to have food, water, shelter, and/or medical care that can not be achieved through a change in lifestyle?

I know it's a shitty stance to have to say all we need to do is keep stepping backward until we get everything off the books that segregates any one person from any opportunity - but it's the sad truth.
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I agree . . . when the creek rises . . . everyone standing in the creek gets their pants wet . . . translated . . . the best way to help people is to give everyone the same advantages not a select few . . . and if you cannot help everyone at least help the ones willing to stand in the creek . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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POLL: Why are there so many "failure-to-Launch Young Men" .. . .? . . .select the most likely reason . ..
4) The economy stupid   16.0% (169)
3) Video games have created a generation of zoned out addicted young men     13.3% (140)
5) Lack of reasonable moral or religious upbringing   12.9% (136)
8) Everyone has given up. . . The young men just gave up first    11.8% (125)
10) Alcohol, Drugs and Pornography   10.8% (114)
6) The feminist movement   10.0% (106)
12) Public Schools   6.9% (73)
9) Women don't respect men anymore   5.8% (61)
2) Women have taken over the dominate role and you get what you pay for   4.7% (50)
11) TV and Movie image (husbands) of men as losers   4.5% (47)
1) Men are cowards and have thrown in the towel   2.2% (23)
7) Plot to reduce the birth rate   1.1% (12)
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Some more good news about employment. . . .


Fewer Young People Will Not Solve Problem of Youth Employment


"Between 1970 and 1994, unemployment rates for the 15-24 year-old age group in 11 European countries rose, on average, 16 percentage points, from 4.2 percent to 20.6 percent."

On the surface it would seem a simple supposition: You're a country with a large number of young people between the ages of 15 and 24, and also with high youth unemployment rates. Gazing down the demographic road, you notice that declining birth rates eventually will shrink this population group. This should mean that in the future, with relatively fewer youths entering the labor market and hence tighter labor markets for young workers, youth unemployment rates should drop. Unfortunately, it's not that simple, and countries currently experiencing a crisis in youth employment -- which includes a number of European nations -- should not expect demographics to come to the rescue. Although youth unemployment rates are likely to fall as youth population shares decline, the effects of population change are small compared with the longer-term increases in youth unemployment rates in many of these countries.

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Changes in dental school participation. . . .

The following statistics are from the ADA survey center, Survey of Dental Education.

Total Dental school Enrollment by gender, 1995-96 to 2004-05. Total enrollment increased during this time from 16,552 to 18,315. An increase of 10.7%. During the same period, the number of female students increased by 32.0%. The male enrollment decreased by 1.7% during this time.

Enrollment by gender:

1995-96, Male 63.3%, Female 36.7%
1996-97, Male 63.0%, Female 37.0%
1997-98, Male 62.6%, Female 37.4%
1998-99, Male 63.2%, Female 36.8%
1999-2000, Male 62.2%, Female 37.8%
2000-01, Male 61.7%, Female 38.3%
2001-02, Male 59.8%, Female 40.2%
2002-03, Male 58.0%, Female 42.0%
2003-04, Male 56.7%, Female 43.3%
2004-05, Male 56.2%, Female 43.8%
Applications received by dental schools by gender for 2004-05: United States - Male 57.7%, Female 42.3%. Canada - Male 46.3%, Female 53.7%.
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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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United States Medical School graduates 2002

 
Female 6,923

Male 8,753
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United States Medical School Graduates 2011

 
Female 8,396

Male 8,968

[link to www.statehealthfacts.org]
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Trends in Law . .

Women's substantial representation within the legal profession is a relatively contemporary phenomenon, with numbers approaching 35% in the profession and 50% in law schools in North America in recent years. Progress is evident. Women are pursuing legal education in rising numbers, achieving and exceeding parity with men in many law schools, and recent cohorts of women are securing employment across the range of firm sizes and diversity of practice settings in equal proportions to men.

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the problem is probably rooted in sex.

Women can easily get sex, and social support. Men can't so I'm sure they are easily left feeling hopeless and would never want to participate in this society.
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the problem is probably rooted in sex.

Women can easily get sex, and social support. Men can't so I'm sure they are easily left feeling hopeless and would never want to participate in this society.
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Failure to launch is basically equivalent to being a failure to mate.
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the problem is probably rooted in sex.

Women can easily get sex, and social support. Men can't so I'm sure they are easily left feeling hopeless and would never want to participate in this society.
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It has to be rooted in sex. I mean, this is a problem with MEN moreso than women right? And what's the main difference between men and women: sex right?

So it's very simple. Women have it easier sexually than men do.
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the problem is probably rooted in sex.

Women can easily get sex, and social support. Men can't so I'm sure they are easily left feeling hopeless and would never want to participate in this society.
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It has to be rooted in sex. I mean, this is a problem with MEN moreso than women right? And what's the main difference between men and women: sex right?

So it's very simple. Women have it easier sexually than men do.
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Women get hired simply for being women, and/or beautiful.
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the problem is probably rooted in sex.

Women can easily get sex, and social support. Men can't so I'm sure they are easily left feeling hopeless and would never want to participate in this society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7138989


It has to be rooted in sex. I mean, this is a problem with MEN moreso than women right? And what's the main difference between men and women: sex right?

So it's very simple. Women have it easier sexually than men do.
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Women get hired simply for being women, and/or beautiful.
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And moreso, it's really that "beta males" are failing to launch.

You don't see the rich alpha jerks who pull all the bitches being failure to launch.
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the problem is probably rooted in sex.

Women can easily get sex, and social support. Men can't so I'm sure they are easily left feeling hopeless and would never want to participate in this society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7138989


It has to be rooted in sex. I mean, this is a problem with MEN moreso than women right? And what's the main difference between men and women: sex right?

So it's very simple. Women have it easier sexually than men do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7138989


Women get hired simply for being women, and/or beautiful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7138989


And moreso, it's really that "beta males" are failing to launch.

You don't see the rich alpha jerks who pull all the bitches being failure to launch.
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Interesting theory but I think there what you term alpha males in the failure to launch as well . . . fewer in number but still represented. . . . ohyeah
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Failure to Launch and addiction . . .



The World of Warcraft addiction to an alternate reality

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Failure to Launch and addiction . . .
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Would fit in to many of your poll choices - notably #3 (video games for which you wisely bring up WoW addiction), #4 (Addiction to materialism and the buying of desired goods that are not necessities feeding the unsustainable economic growth), #10 (alcohol, drugs, and pornography are not a reason for failure-to-starts - it is addiction to these vices that is the root cause for anyone who would pick #10 as the choice reason), and #11 (TV programming isn't itself inherently bad - being addicted to it is what causes problems).

#9 could even be fit in as women become addicted to the power that comes with roles in society that were shut to them for so long and refuse to respect those whose place in society they have taken and harvested power from.

The feminist movement put a lot of focus on dead beat dads. The unintended consequence is dead beat moms. The dark side of the feminist movement is manifesting as women making the conscious choice to, instead of empowering themselves into affluent positions in society, follow the path of failed men that the movement railed against.

Down-trodden women may be looking at life from the perspective of, "Well, if men for so long got away with not being responsible for their children, I now feel empowered to get away with the same."

Ugh...

No wonder I'm a single father. My daughters' mother had the nerve once to criticize me for not helping my daughters cope with a lifestyle where their parents are separated. I had to remind her that my parents were married when my mother died. I had to remind her that her father left her family. I had to remind her that she is the one equipped with the experience to help her children cope. I asked her to help me understand better, as well. As usual, she flaked. That's getting real about life, which is something TV-indulged entitled brat children that can't mature seem to have a problem with.

And to think my daughters' grandmother is now high-and-mighty with her Jesus enlightenment, trying to tell me about all the unnecessary damage her daughter and I have done to my children and asking if I bring my daughters to church.

Her tone changed when she learned the truth of what her daughter's done to me. Haven't heard back from her since :)


My answer, OP: shitty parents. That's the #1 reason. Parents too indulged in TV and their own lifestyles. Parents trying to vicariously live out their failed dreams through molding their children into themselves. Parents that don't know how to foster open-mindedness and unconditional acceptance.
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Thanks for all your votes . . .!!!!moshpit

POLL: Why are there so many "failure-to-Launch Young Men" .. . .? . . .select the most likely reason . ..

4) The economy stupid 16.0% (170)

3) Video games have created a generation of zoned out addicted young men 13.3% (141)

5) Lack of reasonable moral or religious upbringing 12.9% (137)

8) Everyone has given up. . . The young men just gave up first 11.9% (127)

10) Alcohol, Drugs and Pornography 10.7% (114)

6) The feminist movement 10.0% (106)

12) Public Schools 6.9% (73)

9) Women don't respect men anymore 5.7% (61)

2) Women have taken over the dominate role and you get what you pay for 4.7% (50)

11) TV and Movie image (husbands) of men as losers 4.5% (48)

1) Men are cowards and have thrown in the towel 2.2% (23)

7) Plot to reduce the birth rate 1.2% (13)



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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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