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Luke 13:3 "...unless you repent [turn away from sins], you too will all perish."
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She stated, she used to attend church regularly. But began, putting her job, and worldly success first, and then stopped going to church completely.
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Wow! That looks legit
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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How nice...she saw the version of hell that was created by 12th century artists in paintings.....ya know the vision of hell that was non existant before those visualizations were implanted into minds by way of a paintbrush....nevermind....carry on with your insanity..
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How nice...she saw the version of hell that was created by 12th century artists in paintings.....ya know the vision of hell that was non existant before those visualizations were implanted into minds by way of a paintbrush....nevermind....carry on with your insanity..
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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Ever looked up the phrase "twice dead"in the bible? (dead, then born again, then DEAD AGAIN)? 2 Peter? Jude?

God isn't a genie in a bottle or Santa Claus. We have an obligation to Him if we are true Christians.
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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At 15:45, she came across an evil presence in hell. She said to it, I'm a Christian, I don't belong here.

The evil voice then said to her, when I tempted you with worldly things and success, you choose that, and stopped going to church, and you stopped listening to your conscious, and because of that, you belong to me.

She then calls to Jesus, and ask for forgiveness. She stated, she was then taken out of there. Jesus then told her, you're going to go back, and tell others that hell is real, but the alternative is him, Jesus.
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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At 15:45, she came across an evil presence in hell. She said to it, I'm a Christian, I don't belong here.

The evil voice then said to her, when I tempted you with worldly things and success, you choose that, and stopped going to church, and you stopped listening to your conscious, and because of that, you belong to me.

She then calls to Jesus, and ask for forgiveness. She stated, she was then taken out of there. Jesus then told her, you're going to go back, and tell others that hell is real, but the alternative is him, Jesus.
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I'll believe what the Bible says thank you. Just bc you go to church, do good things, and profess to be a Christian doesn't mean you are.

But if you are truly born again and sincere in your faith in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross (the gospel) NOONE can tear you away from his hand.

Its completely unbiblical to think you can lose your salvation.

John 5:24 Truly truly I say to you, he who hears my words and believes in him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgement, but has passed out of death into life.
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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At 15:45, she came across an evil presence in hell. She said to it, I'm a Christian, I don't belong here.

The evil voice then said to her, when I tempted you with worldly things and success, you choose that, and stopped going to church, and you stopped listening to your conscious, and because of that, you belong to me.

She then calls to Jesus, and ask for forgiveness. She stated, she was then taken out of there. Jesus then told her, you're going to go back, and tell others that hell is real, but the alternative is him, Jesus.
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I'll believe what the Bible says thank you. Just bc you go to church, do good things, and profess to be a Christian doesn't mean you are.

But if you are truly born again and sincere in your faith in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross (the gospel) NOONE can tear you away from his hand.

Its completely unbiblical to think you can lose your salvation.

John 5:24 Truly truly I say to you, he who hears my words and believes in him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgement, but has passed out of death into life.
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Mathew 7:21-23 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Surely these were Christians, who drove demons, and prophesized in Jesus' name. Also he didn't state, get away from me, because you didn't believe in me.
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33751951


At 15:45, she came across an evil presence in hell. She said to it, I'm a Christian, I don't belong here.

The evil voice then said to her, when I tempted you with worldly things and success, you choose that, and stopped going to church, and you stopped listening to your conscious, and because of that, you belong to me.

She then calls to Jesus, and ask for forgiveness. She stated, she was then taken out of there. Jesus then told her, you're going to go back, and tell others that hell is real, but the alternative is him, Jesus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18545317


I'll believe what the Bible says thank you. Just bc you go to church, do good things, and profess to be a Christian doesn't mean you are.

But if you are truly born again and sincere in your faith in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross (the gospel) NOONE can tear you away from his hand.

Its completely unbiblical to think you can lose your salvation.

John 5:24 Truly truly I say to you, he who hears my words and believes in him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgement, but has passed out of death into life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33751951


Mathew 7:21-23 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?'

Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Surely these were Christians, who drove demons, and prophesized in Jesus' name. Also he didn't state, get away from me, because you didn't believe in me.
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Also

Mathew 25:41 “Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;42for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;43I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’44“Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’45“Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’46“These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
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he will ask... "What did you do with the power I gave you???"

AND HE already knows.. Micah...
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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I disagree with this.
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This incessant fixation on trying to push PERSONAL NDE experiences on others as if it's indicative of some universal reality that applies to everyone is not healthy for your consciousness nor the consciousness of those you're trying to influence and convince of your beliefs.... Seek help, seriously...

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This incessant fixation on trying to push PERSONAL NDE experiences on others as if it's indicative of some universal reality that applies to everyone is not healthy for your consciousness nor the consciousness of those you're trying to influence and convince of your beliefs.... Seek help, seriously...
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


You see, the shady past, and the frauds of the neurosurgeon's NDE, that you've been supporting

His background includes two malpractice suits in 2007 after performing surgery on the wrong sites, and in both cases he attempted to conceal what happened -- in one case retroactively altering the original diagnosis to make it appear he hadn't erred. He faced medical board sanctions and reprimands in 2009 and 2010 in three states (MA, VA and NC), and was ordered to attend classes in professionalism and medical ethics. He never mentions any of this in the book -- published in 2012, so it wasn't ancient history while he was writing it.
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Your evidence, to support your beliefs is dwindling.
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This incessant fixation on trying to push PERSONAL NDE experiences on others as if it's indicative of some universal reality that applies to everyone is not healthy for your consciousness nor the consciousness of those you're trying to influence and convince of your beliefs.... Seek help, seriously...
 Quoting: ANHEDONIC


You see, the shady past, and the frauds of the neurosurgeon's NDE, that you've been supporting

His background includes two malpractice suits in 2007 after performing surgery on the wrong sites, and in both cases he attempted to conceal what happened -- in one case retroactively altering the original diagnosis to make it appear he hadn't erred. He faced medical board sanctions and reprimands in 2009 and 2010 in three states (MA, VA and NC), and was ordered to attend classes in professionalism and medical ethics. He never mentions any of this in the book -- published in 2012, so it wasn't ancient history while he was writing it.
[link to www.healthgrades.com]

Your evidence, to support your beliefs is dwindling.
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I really felt his account was some kind of bs.

He never actually died anyway!

Look, there are going to be fakes, there are going to be those who die or sort of die and "think" they see something and experience some kind of DMT release and imprint every wackadoo religious belief they grew up with on their "experience".

So... separating the wheat from the chaff.

I'd just like to know why those "wheat" experience seem to offer so little insight as well. Some do, but not many.
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There's an important NDE, by a non-christian, Nanci Danison, she's a trial lawyer.

From her experience, she stated, whatever she though of, it came to be.

To me, this suggests, that her experience was highly based on her subconscious.

Therefore, what I did to rule this out, is look for a certain type of NDE case.

I came across, 4, in which, the person, came across the deceased in a heavenly location. They learned of information from the that was impossible to know about, but then proven to be true. This shows, the experience was not based on the subconscious. Now, I then examined, what else these 4 people saw and experienced. All four confirmed, the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus. Two of the 4, even stated seeing the 4 living creatures, around God's throne, which is described in no other religion, except Christianity, in the book of Ezekial.

In addition, there's another entire category of experiences, which is people having supernatural encounters with Jesus, when their fully awake. So far I found, this to only occur with Jesus, and no other prophets.

Also, so we know this isn't a hallucination, this at times, included two additional elements.

1) The person learned of things, that was unknown, but then it was proven to be true.

2) The person experienced a miraculous physical healing.

There's one more element, that shows this was not based on the person's belief. For example, Jesus supernaturally appeared to a Muslim, and he saw the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is significant, since Muslims' don't believe Jesus ever died for our sins. After the experience, he left Islam, and became a Christian.

Plus, there's another category of experience, which is demonology. My study of this, further verifies Christianity.

By the way, it was me, that came across the dream, and was told how to prevent cancer. This wasn't known to me, but I later researched and verified this to be true.
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You see, the shady past, and the frauds of the neurosurgeon's NDE, that you've been supporting

His background includes two malpractice suits in 2007 after performing surgery on the wrong sites, and in both cases he attempted to conceal what happened -- in one case retroactively altering the original diagnosis to make it appear he hadn't erred. He faced medical board sanctions and reprimands in 2009 and 2010 in three states (MA, VA and NC), and was ordered to attend classes in professionalism and medical ethics. He never mentions any of this in the book -- published in 2012, so it wasn't ancient history while he was writing it.
[link to www.healthgrades.com]

Your evidence, to support your beliefs is dwindling.
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I really felt his account was some kind of bs.

He never actually died anyway!

Look, there are going to be fakes, there are going to be those who die or sort of die and "think" they see something and experience some kind of DMT release and imprint every wackadoo religious belief they grew up with on their "experience".

So... separating the wheat from the chaff.

I'd just like to know why those "wheat" experience seem to offer so little insight as well. Some do, but not many.
 Quoting: Super Bowl Dave


There's an important NDE, by a non-christian, Nanci Danison, she's a trial lawyer.

From her experience, she stated, whatever she though of, it came to be.

To me, this suggests, that her experience was highly based on her subconscious.

Therefore, what I did to rule this out, is look for a certain type of NDE case.

I came across, 4, in which, the person, came across the deceased in a heavenly location. They learned of information from the that was impossible to know about, but then proven to be true. This shows, the experience was not based on the subconscious. Now, I then examined, what else these 4 people saw and experienced. All four confirmed, the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus. Two of the 4, even stated seeing the 4 living creatures, around God's throne, which is described in no other religion, except Christianity, in the book of Ezekial.

In addition, there's another entire category of experiences, which is people having supernatural encounters with Jesus, when their fully awake. So far I found, this to only occur with Jesus, and no other prophets.

Also, so we know this isn't a hallucination, this at times, included two additional elements.

1) The person learned of things, that was unknown, but then it was proven to be true.

2) The person experienced a miraculous physical healing.

There's one more element, that shows this was not based on the person's belief. For example, Jesus supernaturally appeared to a Muslim, and he saw the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is significant, since Muslims' don't believe Jesus ever died for our sins. After the experience, he left Islam, and became a Christian.

Plus, there's another category of experience, which is demonology. My study of this, further verifies Christianity.

By the way, it was me, that came across the dream, and was told how to prevent cancer. This wasn't known to me, but I later researched and verified this to be true.
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Well, spill the beans! What's the cure?

As for the rest of it, yes, there are some COMPELLING cases, I agree.

Then again, there are NDEs from India that show are whole host of other circumstances mostly confirming Hinduism.

I'd also venture NDEs have been most popularized and researched in the West, and in the US.

Look, the whole thing is frustrating and I still can't figure it out, and of course, I *want* to believe.

There are also reincarnation cases that are mind-boggling, do you buy those? Seems they would conflict with Christianity.
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I was the OP here:
Thread: How to prevent cancer, message from a dream

Someone had also later mentioned, that lemons have been known to fight 12 different types of cancer.

Regarding the Hindu NDE, I looked over some, but I haven't yet came across any where they meet the deceased, and learn of information from them, and then later verify the information to be true. This would really be the only way to rule out the subconscious.

Here's an important factor, found by an NDE researcher. He stated, unless the person is technically clinical dead, the experience will be more varied. So to me, this suggests, the NDE is based more on the person's beliefs. So this is an important factor to consider, before you you study an NDE.

Regarding reincarnation, I want to present 2 different perspectives. From these 2 views, you'll see that regardless if reincarnation is true, or false, it still doesn't rule out heaven, and hell.

There's 4 Christians, 3 of these people had NDEs. Anyways, all 4, stated, there's special circumstances, where a person in heaven, can return to another body. One stated, this applies to someone who has an important destiny.

Now another man, was shown the demonic realm in depth in his NDE. He believes, the reincarnation memory, are fed by demonic entities. A guy here at GLP, stated, he had dreams of his past lives. During the dream, he realized it was demonic deception, and saw the people in his dreams, become demons. He said after this experience, the past life dreams ended.

So again, if the experience is true or false, it still doesn't necessarily rule out Christianity, if take these factors into account.
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There's an important NDE, by a non-christian, Nanci Danison, she's a trial lawyer.

From her experience, she stated, whatever she though of, it came to be.

To me, this suggests, that her experience was highly based on her subconscious.

Therefore, what I did to rule this out, is look for a certain type of NDE case.

I came across, 4, in which, the person, came across the deceased in a heavenly location. They learned of information from the that was impossible to know about, but then proven to be true. This shows, the experience was not based on the subconscious. Now, I then examined, what else these 4 people saw and experienced. All four confirmed, the existence of heaven, hell, and Jesus. Two of the 4, even stated seeing the 4 living creatures, around God's throne, which is described in no other religion, except Christianity, in the book of Ezekial.

In addition, there's another entire category of experiences, which is people having supernatural encounters with Jesus, when their fully awake. So far I found, this to only occur with Jesus, and no other prophets.

Also, so we know this isn't a hallucination, this at times, included two additional elements.

1) The person learned of things, that was unknown, but then it was proven to be true.

2) The person experienced a miraculous physical healing.

There's one more element, that shows this was not based on the person's belief. For example, Jesus supernaturally appeared to a Muslim, and he saw the crucifixion wounds of Jesus. This is significant, since Muslims' don't believe Jesus ever died for our sins. After the experience, he left Islam, and became a Christian.

Plus, there's another category of experience, which is demonology. My study of this, further verifies Christianity.

By the way, it was me, that came across the dream, and was told how to prevent cancer. This wasn't known to me, but I later researched and verified this to be true.
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Well, spill the beans! What's the cure?

As for the rest of it, yes, there are some COMPELLING cases, I agree.

Then again, there are NDEs from India that show are whole host of other circumstances mostly confirming Hinduism.

I'd also venture NDEs have been most popularized and researched in the West, and in the US.

Look, the whole thing is frustrating and I still can't figure it out, and of course, I *want* to believe.

There are also reincarnation cases that are mind-boggling, do you buy those? Seems they would conflict with Christianity.
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I was the OP here:
Thread: How to prevent cancer, message from a dream

Someone had also later mentioned, that lemons have been known to fight 12 different types of cancer.

Regarding the Hindu NDE, I looked over some, but I haven't yet came across any where they meet the deceased, and learn of information from them, and then later verify the information to be true. This would really be the only way to rule out the subconscious.

Here's an important factor, found by an NDE researcher. He stated, unless the person is technically clinical dead, the experience will be more varied. So to me, this suggests, the NDE is based more on the person's beliefs. So this is an important factor to consider, before you you study an NDE.

Regarding reincarnation, I want to present 2 different perspectives. From these 2 views, you'll see that regardless if reincarnation is true, or false, it still doesn't rule out heaven, and hell.

There's 4 Christians, 3 of these people had NDEs. Anyways, all 4, stated, there's special circumstances, where a person in heaven, can return to another body. One stated, this applies to someone who has an important destiny.

Now another man, was shown the demonic realm in depth in his NDE. He believes, the reincarnation memory, are fed by demonic entities. A guy here at GLP, stated, he had dreams of his past lives. During the dream, he realized it was demonic deception, and saw the people in his dreams, become demons. He said after this experience, the past life dreams ended.

So again, if the experience is true or false, it still doesn't necessarily rule out Christianity, if take these factors into account.
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Hmm, well, wow.

I actually used the info from that thread and I began putting lemons in our water (which we buy spring water jugs). I haven't done it in a while, but research shows lemonene can prevent/stop caner.

It's certainly possible "demons" could implant ANY manner of deception into the mind, if one accepts that premise. Not sure if I do. Heck, a demon could implant the idea those reincarnation stories were demon-planted stories!

It's hard for me to accept each soul has ONE chance on this planet -- ONE chance -- and they are born into every varied circumstance imaginable, some presented with easy choices, some not, some presented with hardly a choice at all, and some dead at 15 from a car accident.

The Christian premise -- you come to Earth, get one chance, BOOM, choose Christ or you're (at best) "separated" from God -- that's quite a pill to swallow. And to me, frankly, it's asinine, but it is deeply embedded in my subconscious and upbringing.
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Cool, and if you aren't already doing this, you may also want to consider using a straw, toward the back of the tongue. This will help prevent the acid, from damaging your enamel.

Regarding hell, I realize how you feel. It's not an easy concept to accept. But everything, I'm coming across, is supporting it.
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acksliding Christians dont go to hell. She said herself she thought she was good but wasnt born again (didnt trust Jesus as her savior).

Title is misleading. Once saved always saved.
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At 15:45, she came across an evil presence in hell. She said to it, I'm a Christian, I don't belong here.

The evil voice then said to her, when I tempted you with worldly things and success, you choose that, and stopped going to church, and you stopped listening to your conscious, and because of that, you belong to me.

She then calls to Jesus, and ask for forgiveness. She stated, she was then taken out of there. Jesus then told her, you're going to go back, and tell others that hell is real, but the alternative is him, Jesus.
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I'll believe what the Bible says thank you. Just bc you go to church, do good things, and profess to be a Christian doesn't mean you are.

But if you are truly born again and sincere in your faith in Jesus Christ and his work on the cross (the gospel) NOONE can tear you away from his hand.

Its completely unbiblical to think you can lose your salvation.

John 5:24 Truly truly I say to you, he who hears my words and believes in him who sent me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgement, but has passed out of death into life.
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Is Jesus just joking when He raises the possibility
of blotting someone's name out of the Book of Life?

REVELATION 3
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed
in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name
out of the book of life, but I will confess his name
before my Father, and before his angels.


Read what Jesus says to the seven churches.
THESE PEOPLE WERE BELIEVERS!
But some were NOT overcomers.

MATTHEW 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven.


22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them,
I never knew you: depart from me,
ye that work iniquity.


These are not only Christians, but ACCOMPLISHED
Christians. Big Wheels. High Rollers.

They were not overcomers. Read what Paul says
about making sure you are an overcomer!

People who said a little prayer, walked down the
aisle, made a confession, then walked out of the
church to live like the devil,
are in for a terrible shock.

And the people who led them to believe that
"once saved always saved" are going straight to
hell with them.

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