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Fact 1: Israel is the creation of Rothschild.

Fact 2: Rothschilds are one of the most important players in TPTB.

Fact 3: TPTB are worshippers of Satan.

=Modern zionist Israel is the creation of superrich banksters worshipping Satan.
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There are bigger forces at work here than Satan.

It will all go according to God's plan, no matter who the players are. God has been known to use different people to acccomplish His objectives before.
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"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. Anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so. Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our LORD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-D's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is Anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate Anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share."
-Marlin Luther King Jr

I hope that penetrates the minds of many of you who have spoken such harsh words against the Jewish people.

Have you no heart?
Have you no soul?

That a people who have constantly been hated and loathed by nations of this earth for either just being God's Chosen people or for wanting the land that is justly theirs promised to them by God, that it should not be theirs? That they should not have the right to live freely as others?

The very child that is birthed today who is a Jew comes out of the womb with billions of people wishing him or her to never exist. In America this is allowed upon our own children and it is called Abortion and it is the most inhumane practice ever created and it was birthed in the same chambers that created the desire for a Holocaust.

I ask you today to rethink what it is that you have allowed into your heart, your mind, and your soul that would ever cause you to think that a solution to the world is to deprive an individual the right to their own property or to freely exist along side you. If the Jews were such a horrible people as so many of you have claimed time and time again then I go a step further and ask you to visit our Nations leaders. You to step into the house of some of our politicians. Travel the seas and see if your allowed to spend some time with Kim Jong Ill, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, etc.

You will find that these are the very people who breathe in and out a hatred that one individual must decline so they can be exalted.

Do NOT stand next to these men and see you have anything in common with them. For if you do find common ground with them, then dear reader you have just consciously justified all the evil that has taken place on this earth and said that maybe it was all done for the good of mankind.
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"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. Anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so. Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our LORD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-D's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is Anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate Anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share."
-Marlin Luther King Jr

I hope that penetrates the minds of many of you who have spoken such harsh words against the Jewish people.

Have you no heart?
Have you no soul?

That a people who have constantly been hated and loathed by nations of this earth for either just being God's Chosen people or for wanting the land that is justly theirs promised to them by God, that it should not be theirs? That they should not have the right to live freely as others?

The very child that is birthed today who is a Jew comes out of the womb with billions of people wishing him or her to never exist. In America this is allowed upon our own children and it is called Abortion and it is the most inhumane practice ever created and it was birthed in the same chambers that created the desire for a Holocaust.

I ask you today to rethink what it is that you have allowed into your heart, your mind, and your soul that would ever cause you to think that a solution to the world is to deprive an individual the right to their own property or to freely exist along side you. If the Jews were such a horrible people as so many of you have claimed time and time again then I go a step further and ask you to visit our Nations leaders. You to step into the house of some of our politicians. Travel the seas and see if your allowed to spend some time with Kim Jong Ill, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, etc.

You will find that these are the very people who breathe in and out a hatred that one individual must decline so they can be exalted.

Do NOT stand next to these men and see you have anything in common with them. For if you do find common ground with them, then dear reader you have just consciously justified all the evil that has taken place on this earth and said that maybe it was all done for the good of mankind.
 Quoting: SnakesAndLadders


"Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism"

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.



You see, Martin Luther King knew a little something about true racist & injustice -- and accordingly, saw right through the Orwellian double-speak of Anti-Semites of his day.

(For a few years/decades immediately after the Holocaust, old-fashioned Jew-hatred was frowned upon for the first time in history --- so anti-Semites were forced to couch their terms & use euphemism in order to avoid societal back-lash)

Martin Luther King also probably realized the simple fact: that without Jewish philantropists, financiers, activists, strategists, lawyers, accountants, artists.... Civil Rights would be Dead-on-Arrival. So of course he defended them & felt kinship to.

But as soon as the Blacks no longer needed the Jews, they gladly jumped in with both feet with Nation of Islam & Black Panthers type envy-filled, violent assholes.... Hence why Louis Farrakhans and Jeremiah Wrights are such avowed enbemies of both Jews and Israel in particular.

Such ungrateful bitches, LOL.
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America First ........"Fuck israel fuck them hard"!
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Just stop sending them welfare checks, and it's all over.

ohyeah
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Funny you mentioned welfare, when your whole meth-addicted family probably subsists on it exclusively.
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Is it possible that this Month we may see the Rapture?

Probably not.

Israel has every right to her own territory. But she doesn't have a right to other people's territory. The settlements in the West Bank are pretty explicit violations of the Geneva conventions about transferring your civilian population to territory you occupy.
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I demand obami withdraw from the whitehouse.
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How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel.

Then Israel should annex the west bank and her people. Many of the West Bank Palestinians would be open to this idea. But Israel refuses to even consider it....as they don't want the people in the west bank. They just want the land.

Its this desire for 'ethnic purity' and 'the uniquely jewish character of israel' that has them stuck with an occupation where they refuse to extend rights and priveldges to the Palestinian arabs living in the West Bank. And its the desire to claim the land that has lead to tons of illegal settlements.

Their current tactic is unsustainable. And condemned by pretty much everyone. Including the US.

Israel needs to shyte, or get off the pot. Either annex the land AND her people. Or just leave.
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Is it possible that this Month we may see the Rapture?

Probably not.

Israel has every right to her own territory. But she doesn't have a right to other people's territory. The settlements in the West Bank are pretty explicit violations of the Geneva conventions about transferring your civilian population to territory you occupy.
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Go tell the Turks about that in Northern Cyprus; to Poles, Russians, Chech ethnic cleansing of German and other civilians... and literally 1000's other such examples in history. But of course those countries won't be quite so nice as Israel about it, and maybe will kick your ass as soon as you open your ignorant mouth in front of them, LOL.

Nevermind that you're simply WRONG on the basic facts & understand of International Lawin this case:

1) The League of Nations decision (San Remo) still legally stands. It's enshired into law through UN's founding charter Article 80. That actually not only permits Jews to build & live in "West Bank" (Judea & Samaria), but also in what is today's Jordan & Syria!

2) UN Res 242, nor the Oslo Accords prohibit Israeli settlements pending a final-status, mutually-accepted resolution. Do you even know what Area C is? Until you do, everything that comes out of your big-mouth is literally worthless.



As for your typical Libtard patronizing, smug "Israel has every right to her territory" tone.... guess what, momo? Israel does NOT ask for your persmission to decide where to live or build. Their right to the land is 3,000+ years old, it's divine, it's biblical, it's historical, it's spiritual, it's archeological, it's financial, it's ACTUAL possession.

If not enough, Israel was baptized by fire of the Holocaust and by subsequent wars & terror waged by its barbaric Muslim neighbors.

The UN approval of Israel is nice, but far from requisite. Israel answers to higher authority, bitch.
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"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. Anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so. Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our LORD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-D's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is Anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate Anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share."
-Marlin Luther King Jr

I hope that penetrates the minds of many of you who have spoken such harsh words against the Jewish people.

Have you no heart?
Have you no soul?

That a people who have constantly been hated and loathed by nations of this earth for either just being God's Chosen people or for wanting the land that is justly theirs promised to them by God, that it should not be theirs? That they should not have the right to live freely as others?

The very child that is birthed today who is a Jew comes out of the womb with billions of people wishing him or her to never exist. In America this is allowed upon our own children and it is called Abortion and it is the most inhumane practice ever created and it was birthed in the same chambers that created the desire for a Holocaust.

I ask you today to rethink what it is that you have allowed into your heart, your mind, and your soul that would ever cause you to think that a solution to the world is to deprive an individual the right to their own property or to freely exist along side you. If the Jews were such a horrible people as so many of you have claimed time and time again then I go a step further and ask you to visit our Nations leaders. You to step into the house of some of our politicians. Travel the seas and see if your allowed to spend some time with Kim Jong Ill, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, etc.

You will find that these are the very people who breathe in and out a hatred that one individual must decline so they can be exalted.

Do NOT stand next to these men and see you have anything in common with them. For if you do find common ground with them, then dear reader you have just consciously justified all the evil that has taken place on this earth and said that maybe it was all done for the good of mankind.
 Quoting: SnakesAndLadders


"Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism"

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.



You see, Martin Luther King knew a little something about true racist & injustice -- and accordingly, saw right through the Orwellian double-speak of Anti-Semites of his day.

(For a few years/decades immediately after the Holocaust, old-fashioned Jew-hatred was frowned upon for the first time in history --- so anti-Semites were forced to couch their terms & use euphemism in order to avoid societal back-lash)

Martin Luther King also probably realized the simple fact: that without Jewish philantropists, financiers, activists, strategists, lawyers, accountants, artists.... Civil Rights would be Dead-on-Arrival. So of course he defended them & felt kinship to.

But as soon as the Blacks no longer needed the Jews, they gladly jumped in with both feet with Nation of Islam & Black Panthers type envy-filled, violent assholes.... Hence why Louis Farrakhans and Jeremiah Wrights are such avowed enbemies of both Jews and Israel in particular.

Such ungrateful bitches, LOL.
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"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."
Colin Powell, retired four-star general in the U.S. Army

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

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Anti-Semitism: What it IS and is NOT

By Alan Hart

QUOTE An anti-Semite used to be a person who disliked Jews. Now it is a person who Jews dislike UNQUOTE

Those are the words of my dear Jewish friend, Nazi (Auschwitz) holocaust survivor Dr. Hajo Myer. They are taken from page 179 of his magnificent book An Ethical Tradition Betrayed – The End of Judaism (published in 2007).
Hajo was making a point in passing which had been provoked in his mind by an incident that happened in the Netherlands where he lives. Gretta Duisenberg, the wife of the former European Central Bank President Wim Duisenberg, hoisted a Palestinian flag at her home as a protest against Israel’s actions in the occupied territories. Her Jewish neighbours saw to it that their accusation that she was anti-Semitic went viral, and a Jewish lawyer not only sought to press a charge against her, he approached the Jewish World Congress in New York with the suggestion that Wim Duisenberg should be declared persona non grata in the United States. That affair, Hajo wrote, “reflects a caustic, contemporary definition of the term anti-Semite.” Then came his own redefinition as quoted above.

In the light of the false charges of anti-Semitism that were levelled against British Liberal Democratic MP David Ward for telling the truth, and then against Gerald Scarfe for his anti-Netanyahu cartoon in the Sunday Times which reflected (yes, in a grotesque way) the truth, I would expand Hajo’s definition as follows. An anti-Semite today is a truth-telling person Jews who support the Zionist state of Israel RIGHT OR WRONG not only dislike but want to silence.

That last statement of mine should not be taken to imply that I am a denier of the existence of anti-Semitism. It is on the rise due mainly to the Zionist (not Jewish) state’s brutal oppression of the Palestinians and on-going colonization of their West Bank land and water in open defiance of, and contempt for, international law and UN Security Council resolutions.

Also true is that a number of web sites which reflect mainly American and European views are alive and crawling with the most vile expressions of anti-Semitism. That said, I think it’s more than possible that some of the anti-Semitic excrement in comments on web sites is the work of Zionist assets for the purpose of discrediting by association those of us who seek to tell the truth. (The web site of Veterans Today is an example of what I mean. It is one of quite a few sites that publish my articles, but many of the comments under them do not engage with what I have written. They spew out hatred of Jews and deny the obscenity of the Nazi holocaust. As I wrote in Volume One of my book Zionism: The Real Enemy of the Jews, I think holocaust denial is as obscene and wicked as the great crime itself).

The main point I want to convey in this article is that it really, really, really is time for peoples of all faiths and none everywhere to understand that it is perfectly possible to be passionately anti-Zionist (anti Zionism’s colonial enterprise), and fiercely condemnatory of the policies of Zionism’s in-Israel leaders, without being in any way, shape or form anti-Semitic. The assertion of those Jews (a minority of the whole?) who support Israel right or wrong that criticism of Israel’s leaders and their policies is a manifestation of hatred for all Jews everywhere is c-r-a-z-y. It can only come from traumatized minds which have been brainwashed by Zionist propaganda.

In my view real understanding requires knowledge of the following.
There are two definitions of anti-Semitism in its Jewish context. One was born in real history and represents a truth. The other is part and parcel of Zionist mythology and was invented for the purpose of blackmailing non-Jewish Europeans and North Americans into refraining from criticising Israel or, to be more precise, staying silent when its leaders demonstrate their absolute contempt for international law and resort to state terrorism.

Anti-Semitism properly and honestly defined in its Jewish context is prejudice against and loathing, even hatred, of Jews, all Jews everywhere, just because they are Jews. (I say “anti-Semitism in its Jewish context” because there is another context. Arabs are also Semitic peoples. A real and true anti-Semite is therefore one who is prejudiced against and lathes, even hates, both Jews and Arabs).

Anti-Semitism as defined by Zionism, the colonial, ethnic cleansing enterprise of some Jews, has come to mean almost all criticism of Israel’s policies and actions. Put another way, anti-Semitism as defined by supporters of Israel right or wrong is anything written or said by anybody who challenges and contradicts Zionism’s version of events. In effect Jewish supporters of Israel right or wrong say, “If you disagree with us, you’re anti-Semitic.”

As a blackmail card to silence criticism of Israel and prevent informed and honest debate about who must do what and why for justice and peace in the Middle East, Zionism’s false charge of anti-Semitism has worked wonderfully well to date. Why? In the long (and still present) shadow of the obscenity of the Nazi holocaust, a European crime for which, effectively, the Arabs were punished, there are few things Westerners in public life, politicians and media people especially, fear more than being accused of anti-Semitism. The charge – even when false as it most often is – can destroy careers.

Unable to refute the substance of documented and objective messages of challenge and criticism, Zionism’s policy always was, and is, to shoot the messengers, usually with smears for bullets.

For complete understanding of what anti-Semitism is and is not, it’s necessary to know what Zionism is and is not.

Zionism claims to be the nationalist movement of “the Jews”, all Jews everywhere. But this claim, like almost all of its claims, does not bear examination.

As I document in detail in my book, the truth is that from Zionism’s foundation and first dishonest mission statement in 1897 until the Nazi holocaust, its colonial enterprise was endorsed and supported by only a tiny minority of the world’s Jews and was opposed by many eminent Jewish leaders.

Also true is that from Israel’s unilateral declaration of independence in 1948 until the countdown to the 1967 war, many Jews of the world had no great affinity with Israel. They were in their chosen places as integrated citizens of many nations and Israeli Jews were in their chosen place, gained, mainly, by Zionist terrorism and ethnic cleansing. (During his time as prime minister, David Ben-Gurion, Israel’s founding father, expressed dismay that not enough European and North American Jews wanted to move to Israel and become citizens of it).

For very many Jews of the world the 1967 war was a dramatic turning point in their relationship with Israel because they believed – were conditioned by Zionism and the mainstream Western media to believe – that poor little Israel was in danger of annihilation. Thus Israel’s survival (not to mention its conquest of more Arab land) against impossible odds was a source of great pride for most Jews of the world.

Though most Jews didn’t and still don’t want to know it, the truth was different. The Arabs did not attack first and were not intending to attack. The 1967 war was one of Israeli aggression. For Israel’s military and political hawks the grabbing of the West Bank including Arab East Jerusalem was the unfinished business of 1948. Taking the Syrian Golan Heights was a bonus.
Today much (meaning not quite all) of what supporters of Israel right or wrong claim to be anti-Semitism is actually anti-Israelism, which in my view is best described as anti-Zionism. And contrary to the assertions of Zionism’s spin doctors, anti-Zionism is not by definition anti-Semitism.

Short or long, any discussion of anti-Semitism should include the fact that Zionism needs it. The first to acknowledge this was none other than Theodore Herzl, Zionism’s founding father. In one of his diaries, not published until 1962, Herzl wrote (and probably said to some of his close associates) the following:
“Anti-Semitism is a propelling force which, like the wave of the future, will bring Jews into the promised land. Anti-Semitism has grown and continues to grow – and so do I.”

He was right. Without the anti-Semitism unleashed by Adolf Hitler, Zionism’s colonial enterprise would almost certainly have been doomed to failure for lack of enough Jewish support.

Today Zionism needs anti-Semitism, or what it can present as anti-Semitism, to go on justifying its policies and actions.

Any discussion of anti-Semitism should also take note of the words of Yehoshafat Harkabi, Israel’s longest serving Director of Military Intelligence. In his book Israel’s Fateful Hour, he wrote:
“I believe it was a damaging error on Menachem Begin’s part to insinuate that criticism of Israel is a manifestation of anti-Semitism. There is a recklessness in the grandiose assertion that ‘the whole world is against us.’ If indeed the whole world is against Israel, its future is very bleak. Only those intoxicated with their own greatness can believe that they can succeed in overcoming the entire world.”

In the same book Harkabi gave this warning:
“Israel is the criterion according to which all Jews will tend to be judged. Israel as a Jewish state is an example of the Jewish character, which finds free and concentrated expression within it. Anti-Semitism has deep and historical roots. Nevertheless, any flaw in Israeli conduct, which initially is cited as anti-Israelism, is likely to be transformed into empirical proof of the validity of anti-Semitism. It would be a tragic irony if the Jewish state, which was intended to solve the problem of anti-Semitism, was to become a factor in the rise of anti-Semitism. Israelis must be aware that the price of their misconduct is paid not only by them but also Jews throughout the world.”
From the mid 1980’s when those words were written, Israel’s “misconduct” has been the prime cause in the rise of what Zionism presents as anti-Semitism but which is actually anti-Israelism/anti Zionism.

Today the biggest danger to the Jews of the world is, as Harkabi warned, that anti-Israelism/anti-Zionism will be transformed into anti-Semitism, with the consequence at some point of another great turning against Jews.
My own view is that such a catastrophe will most likely happen unless the citizens of the mainly Gentile Western world among whom most Jews live are assisted to understand why it is perfectly possible to be passionately anti-Zionist (opposed to Zionism’s still on-going colonial enterprise) without being in any way, shape or form anti-Semitic.

If the day of understanding comes, it will mark the beginning of the end of Zionism’s freedom and ability to impose its will on the governments of the world that matter most (as well as on the Palestinians) and to remain above and beyond international law.

Footnote
A few of those who put comments under my articles on various web sites, most notably that of Veterans Today, assert that I am an apologist for Zionism. If they really believe that, they are certifiably m-a-d. But perhaps there is another explanation. Perhaps they are acting for Zionism and it’s their way of seeking to destroy my credibility with those who know that I truly believe Zionism is the cancer at the heart of international affairs…?

[link to mycatbirdseat.com]

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Israel needs to shyte, or get off the pot. Either annex the land AND her people. Or just leave.
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That's classic false dilemma. Put down your Tom Friedman talking points, dood. You're way out of your depth here.

There are plenty OTHER options here, not the least of which is

a) Israel annexes 'Area C' and part of 'Area B' including Jordan Valley --- which comprise 70% of the West Bank, but are either desolate or have very minimal Palestinian presence.

b) the few Palestinians who live there would be offered generous 'buy-out' package, which most Palestinians would jump at if surveys are to be believed (and that's considering that selling your property to Jews is punishable by DEATH in Palestinian Authority, mind you!)

c) the few other Palis would be offered CONDITIONAL path to citizenship, revokable for terror-related or treasonous offenses, however loosely defined (many countries still have such laws on the book, why not Israel?)

d) Israel continues to develp their new-found oil & gas finds and reaches 500 Billion dollar annual GDP economy before 2020 (not bad for a country of not even 6 million Jews, who live in an arid desert conditions hostile to farming, and who just 25-30 short years ago were pooor quasi-Socialist country)

e) The Arab Spring further bankrupts Israel's neighbots like Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, soon to be followed by Jordan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bahrein.... thus making Israel look like an even more of an economic, cultural OASIS in the eyes of investors & even those pragmatics who don't normally agree with Israel's policies.


And so on and so forth. Sorry to disappoint you, pal, but if you had some South Africa Aparthed-style wet-dream visions re: Israel.... you are going to be SORELY heart-broken.
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"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. Anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so. Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our LORD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-D's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is Anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate Anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share."
-Marlin Luther King Jr

I hope that penetrates the minds of many of you who have spoken such harsh words against the Jewish people.

Have you no heart?
Have you no soul?

That a people who have constantly been hated and loathed by nations of this earth for either just being God's Chosen people or for wanting the land that is justly theirs promised to them by God, that it should not be theirs? That they should not have the right to live freely as others?

The very child that is birthed today who is a Jew comes out of the womb with billions of people wishing him or her to never exist. In America this is allowed upon our own children and it is called Abortion and it is the most inhumane practice ever created and it was birthed in the same chambers that created the desire for a Holocaust.

I ask you today to rethink what it is that you have allowed into your heart, your mind, and your soul that would ever cause you to think that a solution to the world is to deprive an individual the right to their own property or to freely exist along side you. If the Jews were such a horrible people as so many of you have claimed time and time again then I go a step further and ask you to visit our Nations leaders. You to step into the house of some of our politicians. Travel the seas and see if your allowed to spend some time with Kim Jong Ill, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, etc.

You will find that these are the very people who breathe in and out a hatred that one individual must decline so they can be exalted.

Do NOT stand next to these men and see you have anything in common with them. For if you do find common ground with them, then dear reader you have just consciously justified all the evil that has taken place on this earth and said that maybe it was all done for the good of mankind.
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"Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism"

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.



You see, Martin Luther King knew a little something about true racist & injustice -- and accordingly, saw right through the Orwellian double-speak of Anti-Semites of his day.

(For a few years/decades immediately after the Holocaust, old-fashioned Jew-hatred was frowned upon for the first time in history --- so anti-Semites were forced to couch their terms & use euphemism in order to avoid societal back-lash)

Martin Luther King also probably realized the simple fact: that without Jewish philantropists, financiers, activists, strategists, lawyers, accountants, artists.... Civil Rights would be Dead-on-Arrival. So of course he defended them & felt kinship to.

But as soon as the Blacks no longer needed the Jews, they gladly jumped in with both feet with Nation of Islam & Black Panthers type envy-filled, violent assholes.... Hence why Louis Farrakhans and Jeremiah Wrights are such avowed enbemies of both Jews and Israel in particular.

Such ungrateful bitches, LOL.
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"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."
Colin Powell, retired four-star general in the U.S. Army

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"Anti-Semitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a blot on the soul of mankind. Anti-Zionist is inherently anti-Semitic, and ever will be so. Zionism is nothing less than the dream and ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered our LORD. Driven from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever tyrant happened to rule over them.

How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good will exult in the fulfillment of G-D's promise, that His people should return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, nothing more, nothing less.

"And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is Anti-Semitism.

"The anti-Semite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred of the Jews. This being the case, the anti-Semite must constantly seek new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'!

"My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate Anti-Semitism. I know you feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and revulsion for racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been misled -- as others have been -- into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' and yet remain true to those heartfelt principles that you and I share."
-Marlin Luther King Jr

I hope that penetrates the minds of many of you who have spoken such harsh words against the Jewish people.

Have you no heart?
Have you no soul?

That a people who have constantly been hated and loathed by nations of this earth for either just being God's Chosen people or for wanting the land that is justly theirs promised to them by God, that it should not be theirs? That they should not have the right to live freely as others?

The very child that is birthed today who is a Jew comes out of the womb with billions of people wishing him or her to never exist. In America this is allowed upon our own children and it is called Abortion and it is the most inhumane practice ever created and it was birthed in the same chambers that created the desire for a Holocaust.

I ask you today to rethink what it is that you have allowed into your heart, your mind, and your soul that would ever cause you to think that a solution to the world is to deprive an individual the right to their own property or to freely exist along side you. If the Jews were such a horrible people as so many of you have claimed time and time again then I go a step further and ask you to visit our Nations leaders. You to step into the house of some of our politicians. Travel the seas and see if your allowed to spend some time with Kim Jong Ill, Ahmadinejad, Hamas, etc.

You will find that these are the very people who breathe in and out a hatred that one individual must decline so they can be exalted.

Do NOT stand next to these men and see you have anything in common with them. For if you do find common ground with them, then dear reader you have just consciously justified all the evil that has taken place on this earth and said that maybe it was all done for the good of mankind.
 Quoting: SnakesAndLadders


"Anti-Zionism IS anti-Semitism"

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.



You see, Martin Luther King knew a little something about true racist & injustice -- and accordingly, saw right through the Orwellian double-speak of Anti-Semites of his day.

(For a few years/decades immediately after the Holocaust, old-fashioned Jew-hatred was frowned upon for the first time in history --- so anti-Semites were forced to couch their terms & use euphemism in order to avoid societal back-lash)

Martin Luther King also probably realized the simple fact: that without Jewish philantropists, financiers, activists, strategists, lawyers, accountants, artists.... Civil Rights would be Dead-on-Arrival. So of course he defended them & felt kinship to.

But as soon as the Blacks no longer needed the Jews, they gladly jumped in with both feet with Nation of Islam & Black Panthers type envy-filled, violent assholes.... Hence why Louis Farrakhans and Jeremiah Wrights are such avowed enbemies of both Jews and Israel in particular.

Such ungrateful bitches, LOL.
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"It is not anti-Semitic to criticize the policies of the state of Israel."
Colin Powell, retired four-star general in the U.S. Army

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

hf
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Martin Luther King > Colin Powell


LOL, I know you're an artless cut-n-paste troll that noone ever bothers with... but it's quite telling that paid Libtard shills like you love are so predictable in your absolute hypocrisy: Colin Powell was Judas if not devil himself when he worked closely with George H.W. Bush during Sadam's asskicking in 1991 and then later with George W. Bush, famously making a case for Iraq War at the U.N. in 2003.

But as soon as Colin Powell sorta, kinda supported Barack Obama... Libtard Machine went into overdrive to white-wash Colin Powell and give him a saintly make-over.

LMAO, such a contemptible sod you are!

Hey, where's Alan Hart, Ilyan Pappe, Schlomo Sand, Norman Finklestein, David Duke? You're running out of cut-n-paste material, loser.
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Shame on Canada – Israel’s Boot Heel

Canada warns Palestinians against taking Israel to ICC

… by Jim W. Dean, VT Editor … for Press TV


Canada is an occupied country

Just when you think Canada has maxed out it’s total subservience to Israel, here it comes with lowering the bar even lower.

I must say I am surprised, even for Canada. The whole country is jokingly referred to in the Intel community as the Mossad igloo.

Now they stoop to their Jewish Lobby bidding to threaten the starving Palestinian Authority not to take Israel to the International Criminal Court. Can you all say…Obstruction of Justice?

Israeli Intel has operated in Canada with total impunity for at least two decades. I think there must be a secret law somewhere that it is actually illegal to arrest an Israeli spy there.

This is treason against the Canadian people as the Israelis have always been big on industrial espionage, stealing everything they can get their hands on. The political class is bought off in the usual way via campaign support in return for a very solid understanding that the Jewish Lobby operations will never suffer from any legal difficulties.

We certainly have our problem with the same issues here in America, but poor Canada, the good folks up there have been sold out, invaded and occupied by a foreign force that never fired a shot.

But as you will read below, they went so far as to send their foreign minister down to our AIPAC convention in DC to grovel in front of all the AIPAC delegates, along with a good portion of our Congress. Both countries will need a revolution to purge this curse, of both the Israeli Lobbies and also their fellow treasonous countrymen who have assisted the Zios to line their own nests.

You can ad to them the religious extremists like the Christian Zionists who are betting on Israel’s nukes bringing on an end to the world so they get a good return on all the money they donate to them every year.

Our Intel people could catch all of them doing this simply with datamining, as the the stand down against prosecuting them has made them sloppy on covering their tracks. But the stand down include our counter intel services. Exposing Israeli espioniage here, their networks in the Jewish community and penetration into the upper political class, those same people have called that exposure, their exposure, a national security threat…to them.

You just can’t make this stuff up. Dear Canadian thugs, take your boot off the Palestinian’s neck. You have embarrassed not only Western jurisprudence, but any religious morality you would lay claim to.

Shame, shame, shame. Someone please call me when the revolution is over up there.

Canada warns Palestinians against taking Israel to ICC
First published on Press TV - March 5th, 2013


International Criminal Court in the Hague
Canada’s Foreign Affairs Minister has announced at pro-Israel lobby’s policy conference that Palestinians would face “consequences” from Ottawa if they use the new UN status to sue Israel at the International Criminal Court (ICC).
John Baird made the remarks in a speech to thousands of lobbyists from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and members of the US government last Sunday.

“We were very clear from the outset that further actions, like we’ve seen at the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), like we’ve seen at the United Nations, particularly at the ICC will be ones which will not go unnoticed and will have certainly consequences in the conduct of our relations with the Palestinian Authority,” Baird said.

Baird’s remarks received a boisterous welcome from the audience, revealing the satisfaction with the Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government support of Israel.

Ottawa opposed the Palestinian bid last November to upgrade status at the UN from “non-member observer entity” to “non-member observer state” and has warned the Palestinian Authority against taking legal action against the Tel Aviv regime at the ICC.

In October 2011, Canada also opposed the Palestinian effort to win membership within the UNESCO.

Palestinian officials said they would take legal actions against the Tel Aviv regime at the ICC in order to stop illegal construction of settler units on the occupied Palestinian land.

Baird also criticized the speech made by acting Palestinian Authority chief Mahmoud Abbas at the UN General Assembly in November, saying it “concerned many of us.”

“He could have extended an arm, a hand to Israel. He could have extended an olive branch. He could have been generous, and we didn’t see any generosity in his remarks,” Baird said.

Canada, the United States, Israel and six other countries voted against the Palestinian bid, while 138 other assembly members voted in favor of the resolution, approving the upgrade.

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America First ........"Fuck israel fuck them hard"!
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Just stop sending them welfare checks, and it's all over.

ohyeah
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Funny you mentioned welfare, when your whole meth-addicted family probably subsists on it exclusively.
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Then I guess me and Poor Little Israel® have a lot in common, hunh?

Feed 5,000 Starving Israeli Children This Passover


2 out of 5 Jewish children go to bed hungry every day!

So sad!
verysad
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America First ........"Fuck israel fuck them hard"!
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Just stop sending them welfare checks, and it's all over.

ohyeah
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Funny you mentioned welfare, when your whole meth-addicted family probably subsists on it exclusively.
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Then I guess me and Poor Little Israel® have a lot in common, hunh?

Feed 5,000 Starving Israeli Children This Passover


2 out of 5 Jewish children go to bed hungry every day!

So sad!
verysad
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Pathetic

Number of Israeli millionaires up by 20.6% in 2010, report reveals
According to the latest annual Merrill Lynch-Capgemini World Wealth report, 10,153 people in Israel own together more than $ 52 billion in liquid funds.
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Israel and the Zionist Regime Sponsor Terrorism

The systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
“It is a quite pedestrian occurrence for stupid people to fall for stupid ideas. More interesting, and of greater harm to society, is the phenomenon of smart people falling for stupid ideas. Ph.D.s, high IQs, and intellectual honors are not antidotes to thickheadness…Ideologues forgo independent judgment in favor of having their views handed to them. To succumb to ideology is to put your brain on autopilot. Ideology preordains your reaction to issues, ideas, and people, your views of politics, philosophy, economics, and history.”

“Despite the conviction and seeming depth of knowledge with which ideologues speak, they are intellectual weaklings—joiners—who defer to systems of belief and charismatic gurus for their ideas….For an intellectual, this is the unforgivable sin. Intellectuals think…When intellectuals let their ideology do their thinking, we can’t with any justification continue to label them intellectuals.” …Daniel J. Flynn, Intellectual Morons[1]

Terrorism (American Heritage Dictionary): “The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.”

“Terrorism is the illegal use of extreme force and violence for the purpose of coercing a governmental entity or population to modify its philosophy and direction.”…William E. Dyson, Terrorism: An Investigator’s Handbook[2]

… by Jonas E. Alexis

Jonathan S. Tobin of the neoconservative magazine Commentary declared at the beginning of last month that “Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is a leading figure in a tyrannical regime that has murdered untold numbers of his own people and which funds international terrorism that has claimed the lives of many Americans, including our soldiers in Iraq.”[3]

More than thirty years ago, the late Carl Sagan declared that extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. Although Sagan did not live up to his skeptical standard on many issues, I partially agree with him on this point. He wrote, “If you are only skeptical, then no new ideas make it through to you. You never learn anything new. You become a crotchety old person convinced that nonsense is ruling the world. (There is, of course, much data to support you.)

But every now and then, maybe once in a hundred cases, a new idea turns out to be on the mark, valid and wonderful.

If you are too much in the habit of being skeptical about everything, you are going to miss or resent it, and either way you will be standing in the way of understanding and progress.

On the other hand, if you are open to the point of gullibility and have not an ounce of skeptical sense in you, then you cannot distinguish the useful as from the worthless ones. If all ideas have equal validity then you are lost, because then, it seems to me, no ideas have any validity at all.”[4]

Sagan indeed had a skeptical mind, but when Sagan began to use illegal drugs such as Marijuana, the skeptical Sagan started describing things that had absolutely nothing to do with scientific enquiry. The scientific community has been largely quiet about Sagan’s drugs use. We will discuss this issue at another time.

When a person moves to accuse a president of a country of funding international terrorism, the burden of proof is on him. He has the responsibility to provide extraordinary evidence. For example, I am accusing Israel and the Zionist regime of sponsoring terrorism, and the evidence will be provided.

Tobin gave us no evidence for his claim. And this is not the first time that this extraordinary claim has been made by leading neoconservatives around the country. Before the neoconservative gave us the war in Iraq, it was repeated over and over that Iraq not only had WMDs, but Saddam was funding international terrorism on a large scale.[5] All of these were forgeries.[6]
Now we are told that Iran is also funding international terrorism, and Americans have to take Tobin seriously because we learned nothing from the past.

Let us turn the table around and ask simple questions. Did Iran support the terrorist organization named the MEK like the Zionist regime in Israel and in the United States did?[7] Did Iran train the MEK in Nevada like former president Bush did?[8] Did Iran bomb Iranian scientists like Israel did?[9]

MEK – Terrorists have killed 17,000 in Iran
Did Iran support terrorist groups such as Lashkar-e-Jhangvi which have killed more than 80 people in Pakistan like the Zionist regime did?[10] Did Iran violate the laws of war during the massacre in Gaza in November 2012?[11]
Does Iran have a monopoly on the West Bank, which has been considered “the biggest single threat to the two-state solution”?[12]

Did Iranian officials pronounce that their government wants to work with Sunni terrorists like Israeli ex-intelligence Amos Yadlin has recently declared?[13] Did Iran work with Saudi Arabia’s terrorist groups such as the Sunnis in order to undermine Iran and Syria like the United States and Israel have done?[14]

Seymour Hersh has noted that “in Iraq, most of the insurgent violence directed at the American military has come from Sunni forces, and not from Shiites.”[15]) Has Iran supported the Syrian rebels, whose members are largely terrorists?[16] Does Iran have an office in Washington and New York like the Syrian rebels do?[17]

Has Iran been able to finance “a large purchase of infantry weapons from Croatia and quietly funneled them” to the rebels in order to oust Assad, as Saudi Arabia has been doing?[18] Did Iran slaughter hundreds of civilians during Israel’s invasion of Lebanon in 1982?[19]

Did Iran uproot thousands upon thousands of Palestinians from their homes and left them desolate in 1948?[20] Did Ahmadinejad say that he wanted to “expropriate” the Palestinians “gently,” as Theodor Herzl declared from the inception of Zionism?

After the Palestinians were expulsed from their homes, did Ahmadinejad declare “We must do everything in our power to ensure that they never return,” as the first Prime Minister of Israel David Ben Gurion said?[21]
Jewish historian Roberta Strauss Feuerlicht estimated that there were about 900,000 Arabs in Palestine during that time; when the dust got settled, 750,000 of those Arabs fled or were largely expelled from the land.[22]Does Iran have the political and economic leverage to commit such ethnic cleansing in its literal and geopolitical sense?

David Ben Gurion
The answer is no. Ben Gurion continued to say, “We will expel the Arabs and take their places…with the forces at our disposal.”[23] Feuerlicht goes on to say, “An Israeli censorship board prohibited former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin from including in his memoirs an account of how 50,000 Palestinian civilians were forcibly expelled from two towns near Tel Aviv during the War of Independence in 1948. Rabin said the decision was Ben Gurion’s. Many elderly Arabs and Arab children died of the heat during a forced march to Arab lines.”[24]

The late Israeli military leader and politician Moshe Dayan noted that, “We came to this country which was already populated by Arabs, and we are establishing a Hebrew, that is a Jewish state here…Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages…There is not one place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”[25]

Vladimer (also known as Ze’ev) Jabotinsky, a luminary in the founding of right-wing Zionism, introduced the concept of “The Iron Wall” in 1923, which had for its premise that, “all colonization must continue in defiance of the veil of the native population.

Therefore, it can continue and develop only under the shield of force which comprises an Iron Wall through which the local population can never break through. To the hackneyed reproach that this point of view is unethical, I answer, ‘absolutely untrue.’ This is our ethic. There is no other ethic.”[26]
After the war, several branches of Zionism began to blossom in new waves such as socialism and communism. A brand new Zionist movement that had its roots in the 1967 Six-Day War was Messianic Zionism, which espoused views such as the Arabs are the Amalekites who must be expunged.[27]
We see the same sort of ethnic cleansing through the years. Even the IDF confessed in the Gaza invasion that “the lives of Palestinians, let’s say, is something very, very less important than the lives of our soldiers…You see people more or less running their life routine, taking a walk, stuff like that. Definitely not terrorists.

I hear from other crews that they fired at people there. Tried to kill them… People didn’t seem to be too upset about taking human lives…We were allowed to do anything we wanted. Who’s to tell us not to?…You are allowed to do anything you want…for no reason other than it’s cool.”[28]
If you think that this is not congruent with the neoconservative ideology, think again. Listen to writer and talk show host Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew and one of the youngest neoconservatives around the block:

Ben Shapiro
“If you believe that the Jewish state has a right to exist, then you must allow Israel to transfer the Palestinians and the Israeli-Arabs from Judea, Samaria, Gaza and Israel proper. It’s an ugly solution, but it is the only solution. And it is far less ugly than the prospect of bloody conflict ad infinitum.

For anyone who lived through the Holocaust, or who has relatives who died in it, being called a Nazi is unspeakably terrible. That is the secret weapon of the Arabs. Any time the Jews get wise and threaten mass expulsion of Arabs, the Arabs pull out their big stick, equating Nazism with Zionism.”[29]

So, was Hitler wise in advocating mass expulsion of the Jews from Germany and Europe? Was Europe wise in expelling the Jews in 1492? If Shapiro maintains that Hitler was wrong (and I’m sure he does), by what logical inference is he allowed to say that expelling the Palestinians from their homes is “wise”?

Is Shapiro, then, a Jewish Nazi with proper attire in the twenty-first century? Was Newt Gingrich a neo-Nazi by saying that the Palestinians are “an invented people”?[30]

Shapiro continues,
“The Jews don’t realize that expelling a hostile population is a commonly used and generally effective way of preventing violent entanglements. There are no gas chambers here. It’s not genocide; it’s transfer. It’s not Hitler; it’s Churchill… It’s time to stop being squeamish. Jews are not Nazis. Transfer is not genocide. And anything else isn’t a solution.”[31]

Roberta Strauss Feuerlicht
So, since there are no gas chambers, expelling the Palestinians from their homes is wise. In other words, with no gas chambers, we can do some pretty marvelous things.

If we follow Shapiro’s logic to its ultimate conclusion, King Edward I was right in expelling the Jews from England in 1290. Spain was right in expelling the Jews in 1492. Portugal was right in expelling the Jews in 1497. If Shapiro maintains that those policies were wrong, he needs to tell us forthrightly what he is up to. He surely has a lot of mental gymnastics to do.

Moreover, Why don’t we adopt Shapiro’s policy in America as well? Why are we still fighting against former Klansmen all across the country? Why do we have thought-police organizations such as the ADL? Why don’t we send the Asians, the Mexicans, and the blacks somewhere else?

I’m sure Shapiro would repudiate the Social Darwinism and the eugenics movement that were rampant in the late nineteenth century and in the early part of the twentieth century in much of the Western world and even in Asian countries such as China (the Chinese government did not start to take actions against this until 1995!),[32] but Social Darwinism is all right when it is applied to the Palestinians? The logic doesn’t add up.

Shapiro is a lawyer and is smart enough to recognize a moral problem, but the neoconservative worldview does not allow that possibility. As Daniel J. Flynn writes in Intellectual Morons, “When ideology is your guide, you’re bound to get lost. Ideology deludes, inspires dishonesty, and breeds fanaticism. Facts, experience, and logic are much better at leading you to truth. Truth, however, is not everyone’s intended destination.”[33]
A wicked ideology—and this includes the Zionist movement—is a one-way ticket to moral and intellectual perversity. Expelling the Palestinians from their homes, as we shall see in a later article, is a manifestation of Talmudic ideology. But that manifestation would not have enough political power in America if Christian Zionism was not propagating the same mantra. (We will discuss the inception of that movement in the summer.)

Alan Hart just recently wrote an article(an open letter to Secretary of State John Kerry) in which he declares that he has a Jewish friend named Hajo Meyer who survived Auschwitz and Meyer places Zionism and Nazism on equal footing when it comes to ideology. We are going to let Meyer quarrel with Shapiro.

I have recently written to Shapiro and am looking forward to reading his reply.

Richard Goldstone Vs. the Zionist Regime

Judge Richard Goldstone
When the reputable Jewish judge and member of the Human Rights Council Richard Goldstone condemned Israel’s violent actions in the Gaza war, he was immediately labeled a sell-out and a self-hating Jew, even though he had said publicly that there were victims on both sides and that his deep love for Israel forced him to investigate the issue honestly and concisely.[34]

Goldstone is South-African, and the Jewish organization there threatened to disrupt his grandson’s bar mitzvah in Johannesburg if he showed up.[35]
Alan Dershowitz called Goldtone a “despicable human being,” “an evil, evil man,” “a traitor to the Jewish people,” and the United Nation’s “token court Jew.”[36]

Benjamin Netanyahu likewise declared, “We face three major strategic challenges: the Iranian nuclear program, rockets aimed at our civilians and Goldstone.”[37] Goldstone was suddenly removed from the Hebrew University’s Board of Governors, although the university denied that it had nothing to do with his report on Israel.[38]

Goldstone could not handle the Zionist fire. He recanted from his documented report and declared that “if I had known then what I know now,” he would not have condemned the Israelis for their acts.[39] As John Dugard of the University of Pretoria has shown, Goldstone recanted not because there was verifiable evidence, but because he later relied on the IDF and non-existent sources.[40]

The Jewish publication Forward declared that Goldstone was completely shaken after a meeting with leading Jewish organizations in South Africa, and that had a huge impact on his previous report.

“Debating face to face with the [Jewish] community really shook him,” wrote David Sacks, associate director of the South African Jewish Board of Deputies. The Jewish leaders of course pronounced their anger against Golstone, and that indeed played a pivotal role in his new position. Sacks continued to say that the Jewish organizations “went in very hard against him.”
After one particular meeting with a Jewish group, “There were no smiling handshakes afterwards. Avrom [Krengel]’s opening statement was pretty merciless.”[41] Several members of the United Nations also accused Goldstone of yielding to outside forces and pressure.[42]

It is generally viewed that “several friends cited what they viewed as the cumulative toll of a stream of calumny hurled at the famously unemotional jurist.”[43] Letty Cottin Pogrebin, a friend of Goldstone, declared, “It has been like watching an innocent man whipped at the stake. His dedication to Israel is so strong and rooted. He suffered at the thought that his work was being used to delegitimize Israel. It truly wounded and pained him.”[44]

“According to these friends, Goldstone didn’t fully understand how politically charged any criticism of Israel could be, and was blindsided by the anger and emotion the report engendered.”[45] Indeed he did not understand. As the Jewish Telegraphic Agency tells us, many Jewish lawyers sued Goldstone, charging that “The Goldstone Report is nothing less than a modern version of the infamous blood libels against the Jewish people.”[46]

In a nutshell, no small force can stop the Zionist/neoconservative/Talmudic machine, not even Jews who cherish Israel. But as Alexander Solzhenitsyn rightly pointed out,
“An ordinary brave man is not to participate in lies, not to support false actions! His rule: Let that come into the world, let it even reign supreme—only not through me. But it is within the powers of writers and artists to do much more: to defeat the lies! For in the struggle with lies art has always triumphed and shall always triumph! Visibly, irrefutably for all!

Lies can prevail against much in this world, but never against art…We should not seek to justify our unwillingness by our lack of weapons, nor should we give ourselves up to a life of comfort. We must come and join the battle! One word of truth shall outweigh the whole world.”[47]

We are indeed a small voice in the midst of a Zionist fire that seems to be perpetual and non-stoppable. The Zionist fire rises almost every day and seems to have no boundary. Believe it or not, just about everyone is affected by it in one way or another.

But truth, as Solzhenitsyn points out, will triumph in the end. What is quite amazing about Christianity is that it doesn’t need an army to defeat an enemy. All it needs is the truth.

(I was supposed to talk about the issue of slavery, but this topic was more urgent. The issue will certainly be discussed this month.)

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PressTV

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Bwa-ahahaha, there he is - like clockwork!

Oh and PressTV for desserts, so hilarious so wacky, even repeatedly quoting The Onion as real news.

PressTV makes RussiaToday (RT) look like Walter Croncite in comparison. LOL.


As for ICC... considering that literrally EVERY Palestinian and for that matter every Muslim, ever, is demostrably linked to mass instances of terror, murder, torture, corruption.... with Israel holding evidence over them for years....it would be suicide for Abbas and Co. to take their wares to Hague. Which is why they only know how to threaten to try to extort some benefits from the US or EU beurocrat sissies.

All while all the alleged Israel crimes is just classic Muslims 1,001 Arabian Nights-style fantasy. Even the land dispute, as I showed in earlier posts, is highly DEBATABLE.

Good luck
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Zachariah 14:12

This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

And you continue saying Israel is not the holy land of God?
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Israel and Obama. Two things America can do without.
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Zachariah 14:12

This is the plague with which the LORD will strike all the nations that fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh will rot while they are still standing on their feet, their eyes will rot in their sockets, and their tongues will rot in their mouths.

And you continue saying Israel is not the holy land of God?
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Then why doesn't God shoot them a few shekels, so those poor little Jewish kids can buy themselves a meal tonight?
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Israel and Obama. Two things America can do without.
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Oh yeah?
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Israel and Obama. Two things America can do without.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah
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Israel and Obama. Two things America can do without.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah
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Yeah?

You and what glue-snifing army?
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Israel and Obama. Two things America can do without.
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Oh yeah?
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Yeah?

You and what glue-snifing army?
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Oh jeepers. An internet bully boy.

If you think you can get your wimpy liitle fist through that telephone wire, you're more than welcome to try.
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Tell Obama to pound Kenyan sand.

ohyeah
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Honestly? Pound his own head in ;P Would love to see it, bit it isn't going to happen...
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There is no clear Biblical evidence pointing to either a pre-tribulation, mid-tribulation, or post-tribulation rapture.

So, the conservative approach would be to consider that any one of the above is possible.

My own personal opinion is this (just one guy’s opinion): We are not told that we will escape persecution/tribulation. Therefore, we may walk through part of the Great Tribulation.

However, we are told that we will be spared God’s Wrath – which is a completely different thing. I’m expecting to punch out of here some time prior to the Seven Bowls of God’s Wrath being poured out.

In the meantime, be cool, don't speculate too much, watch, and keep the lamp trimmed.

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^^^^^THIS^^^^^
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Go tell the Turks about that in Northern Cyprus; to Poles, Russians, Chech ethnic cleansing of German and other civilians... and literally 1000's other such examples in history. But of course those countries won't be quite so nice as Israel about it, and maybe will kick your ass as soon as you open your ignorant mouth in front of them, LOL.


There are literally thousands of examples of violations of the Geneva Convention prohibitions against transferring your civilian populations to territory you occupy?

Surely you recognize that the Geneva conventions haven't existed throughout history. But are quite recent. So how could someone violate the Geneva Conventions *before* they existed? Was a Delorean or a blue police box somehow involved?

And just because an injustice was done at some point in history doesn't mean that anyone who wishes to commit the same injustice *today* just gets a mulligan.

Israel is committing war crimes by building in the West Bank. They need to either annex the land and the people....or they need to leave. But transferring your civilian population to land you occupy is an explicit violation of the Geneva conventions. One that is happening *daily*. Worse, Israel refuses to extend rights, privileges and freedoms to the Palestinian arabs in the West Bank....despite holding defacto control of the territory.

That's inexcusable.

Our involvement is predicated on enforcement of international law. Israel is an internationally recognized country. And so we protect her sovereignty under that law. But Israel isn't immune from the law either. And we have the same commitment to international law in preventing Israel from doing to other's lands...what some would do hers.

Its wrong when someone else invades Israel. Its wrong when Israel invades someone else. You're applying a double standard.



2) UN Res 242, nor the Oslo Accords prohibit Israeli settlements pending a final-status, mutually-accepted resolution. Do you even know what Area C is? Until you do, everything that comes out of your big-mouth is literally worthless.



Neither have to 'prohibit' the violation of the Geneva Conventions. The Conventions, to which Israel is a signatory, already prohibit it. You can't transfer your civilian population to a territory you occupy. If you do, you're committing a war crime.

Any nation that does this, including the US…is committing a criminal act. The same law applies to every country. There is no special exemption for anyone.

That's how the law works. Its the same for everyone.


As for your typical Libtard patronizing, smug "Israel has every right to her territory" tone.... guess what, momo? Israel does NOT ask for your persmission to decide where to live or build. Their right to the land is 3,000+ years old, it's divine, it's biblical, it's historical, it's spiritual, it's archeological, it's financial, it's ACTUAL possession.


Your religious arguments are irrelevant as its uselessly subjective. I could care less what you 'feel spiritually'. As for 'actual possession', if Israel wants to annex the land, go for it. That's a legitimate option. But she doesn't want to annex the West Bank, as they she'd have to annex the people that live there. And Israel doesn't want the people. It just wants the land.

So instead it has opted for criminal colonization while holding hundreds of thousands of people in thrall with no rights, privileges, suffrage or legal protections. For the last 40 years. Israel either needs to annex the land AND the people…..or they need to leave. Its current course is as unsustainable as it is criminal. As the law doesn't apply only for those people you don't like.

It applies to everyone. Every nation is subject to the law. You making up this bizarre 'but Israel gets a pass for war crimes because of the Old Testament' nonsense is mindless drivel. And has neither relevance nor validity to any discussion of the West Bank.
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And so on and so forth. Sorry to disappoint you, pal, but if you had some South Africa Aparthed-style wet-dream visions re: Israel.... you are going to be SORELY heart-broken.


Dude, you're just beating the stuffing out of those strawmen. And regurgetating some predigested rhetorical cud from some *other* discussion you've had with someone else. As I haven't argued about any 'aparteid'. All your babble refuting an argument I've never made is just empty air.

I've said that its criminal for israel to transfer its civilian population to territory it occupies. Even ISRAEL recognizes that her possession of the West Bank is an occupation. So there is no ambiguity as to Israel's status there. And as occupiers, they are held to certain rules. Violating those rules is a war crime.

And Israel conciously, systematically, and institutionally commits such war crimes *daily*. Worse, it has held hundreds of thousands of people without rights, privileges or freedoms for two generations.

That's inexcusible.

There is no special exemption for Israel from the law. There is no special exemption for Israel for basic moral behavior. Which is why condemnation of Israel's actions are essentially universal. Even the US, her irrationally staunch ally, condemns these settlements.

This is comically basic stuff here: if its wrong for Israel's enemies, its wrong for Israel. The same laws, the same standards apply to everyone. But the 'Israel gits a pass cuzza Jesus' blather that has been offered in this thread is just useless idiocy. No, Israel doesn't get a pass.

No one does. That's how the law works.

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