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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32757158 United States03/07/2013 03:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, I get all the sycophantic worship of Rand Paul and he does deserve credit for demonstrating that right now he is the #1 congressman out of 535. I give him credit for that, nothing taken away, But here's the rub.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8728680 Rand Paul argued against the gubmint having the ability to kill Americans with drones on American soil. That's good, but there is a flip side to taking this tack. By following this course there is a tacit acceptance of having +/-30,000 drones on American soil surveilling American citizens, so by agreeing that they won't kill us with them we are also tacitly accepting that we will allow them to surveil us. It's a trick...Get it? I think Glenn Beck once wrote a book called the Overton Window where the idea is that if the gubmint wants a new policy in place, what they do is ask for much more than they actually want with the idea that when the dust settles they can negotiate and back it off to something less than they asked for which is all they really wanted in the first place. It's a lot like asking $3,500 for your used car because you are really willing to accept $3,000, but want to leave room for negotiation so the buyer "perceives" that he is getting a deal. Here's the Wiki for the Overton Window: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] That's my opinion. Does anyone agree with me? I would never trust glen beck for starters.  This. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6860 United States03/07/2013 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's the truth about traitor Mccain. [link to educate-yourself.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32757158 United States03/07/2013 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 32757158 We don't have time for slow anymore. Besides, we don't need the sheep, they're fucking useless and we have PLENTY to piggy back everybody. I'm telling you, once it starts and people see the governments vulnerability and they get this idea out of their minds that our government is somehow indestructible, people will come out in droves. I would estimate that less than 5% of Americans would be willing to give up their standard of living and risk sacrifice to actually try to make a difference. TPTB planned this very well hidden (to the sheeple) Faux Freedom illusion very well. The scary part to me is that they're not really trying very hard to keep the illusion going any longer. I get the impression that the romamerican Empire is about to fall and nerobama is playing the fiddle while we burn. 5% is good enough for me. It will be an absolute trouncing. Think Iraq or Afghanistan but with a 15 MILLION man strong patriot resistance. I'd like to think so, but pragmatism tells me probably not. A few key points: Iraqis and Afghani's don't have nearly as much to lose as your average American. Sooiside bombers have been major players in the fight. How many American sooiside bombers have you heard of in our history? We have cameras on every corner, a cel phone in every pocket, a webcam on every computer, search engines tracking every query. How can anything be done in secret? How can patriots find each other? Did you notice the raid on the VFW this morning? My guess is that was a message to potential militiamen. I've found plenty. Don't use the internet to do anything, especially searching for other patriots. You gotta have balls, man. Get out and talk to people face to face. There are plenty out there. This is a leaderless resistance, that's why it's impossible to stop. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6860 United States03/07/2013 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, I get all the sycophantic worship of Rand Paul and he does deserve credit for demonstrating that right now he is the #1 congressman out of 535. I give him credit for that, nothing taken away, But here's the rub.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8728680 Rand Paul argued against the gubmint having the ability to kill Americans with drones on American soil. That's good, but there is a flip side to taking this tack. By following this course there is a tacit acceptance of having +/-30,000 drones on American soil surveilling American citizens, so by agreeing that they won't kill us with them we are also tacitly accepting that we will allow them to surveil us. It's a trick...Get it? I think Glenn Beck once wrote a book called the Overton Window where the idea is that if the gubmint wants a new policy in place, what they do is ask for much more than they actually want with the idea that when the dust settles they can negotiate and back it off to something less than they asked for which is all they really wanted in the first place. It's a lot like asking $3,500 for your used car because you are really willing to accept $3,000, but want to leave room for negotiation so the buyer "perceives" that he is getting a deal. Here's the Wiki for the Overton Window: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] That's my opinion. Does anyone agree with me? I would never trust glen beck for starters. This. I don'trust him either but i randomly tuned into Rush today and he is supporting Rand and against the rino establishment repugs and said they have basically destroyed the party.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32757158 United States03/07/2013 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, I get all the sycophantic worship of Rand Paul and he does deserve credit for demonstrating that right now he is the #1 congressman out of 535. I give him credit for that, nothing taken away, But here's the rub.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8728680 Rand Paul argued against the gubmint having the ability to kill Americans with drones on American soil. That's good, but there is a flip side to taking this tack. By following this course there is a tacit acceptance of having +/-30,000 drones on American soil surveilling American citizens, so by agreeing that they won't kill us with them we are also tacitly accepting that we will allow them to surveil us. It's a trick...Get it? I think Glenn Beck once wrote a book called the Overton Window where the idea is that if the gubmint wants a new policy in place, what they do is ask for much more than they actually want with the idea that when the dust settles they can negotiate and back it off to something less than they asked for which is all they really wanted in the first place. It's a lot like asking $3,500 for your used car because you are really willing to accept $3,000, but want to leave room for negotiation so the buyer "perceives" that he is getting a deal. Here's the Wiki for the Overton Window: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] That's my opinion. Does anyone agree with me? I would never trust glen beck for starters. This. I don'trust him either but i randomly tuned into Rush today and he is supporting Rand and against the rino establishment repugs and said they have basically destroyed the party. As is the plan. The conservatives are all going liberal now. Watch. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1606092 United States03/07/2013 03:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ok, I get all the sycophantic worship of Rand Paul and he does deserve credit for demonstrating that right now he is the #1 congressman out of 535. I give him credit for that, nothing taken away, But here's the rub.... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8728680 Rand Paul argued against the gubmint having the ability to kill Americans with drones on American soil. That's good, but there is a flip side to taking this tack. By following this course there is a tacit acceptance of having +/-30,000 drones on American soil surveilling American citizens, so by agreeing that they won't kill us with them we are also tacitly accepting that we will allow them to surveil us. It's a trick...Get it? I think Glenn Beck once wrote a book called the Overton Window where the idea is that if the gubmint wants a new policy in place, what they do is ask for much more than they actually want with the idea that when the dust settles they can negotiate and back it off to something less than they asked for which is all they really wanted in the first place. It's a lot like asking $3,500 for your used car because you are really willing to accept $3,000, but want to leave room for negotiation so the buyer "perceives" that he is getting a deal. Here's the Wiki for the Overton Window: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] That's my opinion. Does anyone agree with me? I would never trust glen beck for starters. This. I don'trust him either but i randomly tuned into Rush today and he is supporting Rand and against the rino establishment repugs and said they have basically destroyed the party. Last I checked, Limbaugh blindly supported every repug except Ron Paul. When did that change? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32757158 United States03/07/2013 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don'trust him either but i randomly tuned into Rush today and he is supporting Rand and against the rino establishment repugs and said they have basically destroyed the party. Last I checked, Limbaugh blindly supported every repug except Ron Paul. When did that change? When he found something popular to back to boost his ratings. |
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snark Forum Administrator  User ID: 27313445 United States03/07/2013 03:37 PM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Derek Glover @drglover I'm convinced that if John McCain broke his hip, Lindsey Graham would break his just to be like him. McCain is bad, Graham is just pathetic. Last Edited by snark on 03/07/2013 03:37 PM T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6860 United States03/07/2013 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don'trust him either but i randomly tuned into Rush today and he is supporting Rand and against the rino establishment repugs and said they have basically destroyed the party. Last I checked, Limbaugh blindly supported every repug except Ron Paul. When did that change? I heard it today.I haven't listened to him in years.He sounded like a Ron Paul patriot today. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1606092 United States03/07/2013 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don'trust him either but i randomly tuned into Rush today and he is supporting Rand and against the rino establishment repugs and said they have basically destroyed the party. As is the plan. The conservatives are all going liberal now. Watch. I have a sneaking suspicion that they may prop up Rand Paul as the new face of the republican party against Hillary in 2016. |
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| Corn Dog User ID: 28518686 United States03/07/2013 04:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So the spin isn't working!!! This morning I couldn't wait to see what the WH & Co. was going to do to try and take our mind off of Rand Paul & the filibuster. Headline Drudge was the N. Korea was going to nuke us soon. People didn't respond, so then they release that they have Osama's brother in law, no response. Amazing.... they can't divert the attention. Last Edited by Amelia B on 03/07/2013 04:09 PM |
| *Rick Grimes* User ID: 14560333 United States03/07/2013 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has cnn or nbc or any of their affiliates been talking about Rands Stand? Quoting: *Rick Grimes* I was curious to see if the obama lapdog msm would say anything at all about it... they barely said anything this morning, (I only have TV by antenna)I watched NBC (Never Be Correct) TODAY SHOW. Rick, I was able to watch about 7 of the almost 13 hrs of Rand (+other senators) and was watching when he left the floor... (we had a few words on another thread, well, I made comments and you replyed -I didn't answer cuz I had appointments)at any rate, I love Ron Paul and watching Rand yesterday gave me hope for a future of becoming un-enslaved. I'm not trying to be an ass but I still would like an answer to - What did he accomplish? He gave up without an answer from the WH.. when other Rep. were finally stepping up to give him relief... I'm not looking to be called a dumbass,troll,shill, stupid or ignorant -- over the last 2 yrs, I"m just learning about the coruption of the government - and theres a lot to learn and most is beyond belief!!!that 'they can get away with the shit 'they' do get away with... I respect Rand so much for standing up like he did and to the other senators who stood up and gave relief to him. Please help me understand why after almost 13 hrs .... he gave up the floor ---without an answer from the occupier of the WH - Obama. I'm having a hard time understanding why he did that.....thats all, I just don't understand why he went on for almost 13 hrs then just stepped down without an answer.... Please educate me on that or your HO - please!  Well he did mention he couldn't "hold it" anymore...lol he said he would've liked to stay 12 more hours, but basically needed the restroom. I think he accomplished more than he originally intended to. The Obama admin gave him a letter this morning stating they did NOT have the power to kill an american on american soil who is not in combat...sorry I'm paraphrasing, can't remember the exact wording. And Paul said that's all he wanted. But on top of that, millions of people now know the government thinks they can kill americans overseas, and that drones are above us now. I at lunch was checkin to see if the msm was reporting on it, and judge Nap and Shep smith were going off about how they shouldn't be able to even kill an american overseas without due process. Citing al awalki or however it's spelled, and his son being droned. They were saying that this debate needs to be had, that these are slippery slopes. Millions of more people today know about this stuff than yesterday. Next step is to get surveillance drones out of the sky also. Which Rand Paul said he is going to work on next. So IMO it was a great thing. Last Edited by *Evan on 03/07/2013 04:19 PM |
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| Corn Dog User ID: 28518686 United States03/07/2013 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #standwithrand is still United States #3 trend on twitter. Anyone notice hollywood is so quiet. Not one peep and they love to hop the top trending issues. Do you think some of those Hollywood idiots are thinking... could they really do that? Due process???? Wow, drones in America? |
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| Sleeping Giant User ID: 543618 United States03/07/2013 04:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #standwithrand is still United States #3 trend on twitter. Quoting: Corn Dog Anyone notice hollywood is so quiet. Not one peep and they love to hop the top trending issues. Do you think some of those Hollywood idiots are thinking... could they really do that? Due process???? Wow, drones in America? I did read some John Cusack tweets standing with Rand. Wake up, oh sleeper, and rise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you |
| *Rick Grimes* User ID: 14560333 United States03/07/2013 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #standwithrand is still United States #3 trend on twitter. Quoting: Corn Dog Anyone notice hollywood is so quiet. Not one peep and they love to hop the top trending issues. Do you think some of those Hollywood idiots are thinking... could they really do that? Due process???? Wow, drones in America? I did read some John Cusack tweets standing with Rand. Seriously, we get some washed up B lister supporting the cause? Wheres Samuel L? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 32757158 United States03/07/2013 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember? Just a couple weeks ago? When all the hub bub was going on about killing Americans PERIOD with drones? Now it's ok to kill Americans overseas but not here at home. The next one will be, it's ok to kill Americans at home as long as they are armed and declared enemy combatants. The next one will be It's ok to kill unarmed Americans that the president deems a threat. This is how they acclimate you. And it's working. You have to just stand up and say NO. PERIOD. Draw your line in the sand and stand with the very tips of your toes, right on that line, but not over. Cross your arms over your chest and say NO. That's it! I'm DONE giving another inch. You can do it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1606092 United States03/07/2013 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #standwithrand is still United States #3 trend on twitter. Quoting: Corn Dog Anyone notice hollywood is so quiet. Not one peep and they love to hop the top trending issues. Do you think some of those Hollywood idiots are thinking... could they really do that? Due process???? Wow, drones in America? I did read some John Cusack tweets standing with Rand. Cusack is one of the rare outspoken patriotic celebrities. "John Cusack, actor and self described civil libertarian, isn’t impressed with President Obama, he said during an appearance on "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday. "Following the political race this year? And what are you thinking? How are you feeling?” co-host Gayle King asked Cusack. “I sort of feel like there's some kind of Rubicon line issues that I hope are addressed that don't have to do with left and right, and some of those issues, some of the issues that the Obama administration has with due process and with the assassination of American citizens — this speech by Eric Holder — I think, are deeply troubling. I think that's beyond left and right,” the actor replied. “But from a civil libertarian point of view, the excesses of the Bush administration — I think he had a constitutional obligation to correct that, and I don't think they have, and I think that's deeply troubling for my nephews and for my future.” “Meaning you expected more from the president and attorney general?” co-host Charlie Rose inquired. “Yeah, I don't think the executive branch — I think that they've, kind of, continued that imperial presidency of the Bush administration with these claims to executive privilege,” Cusack said |
| *Rick Grimes* User ID: 14560333 United States03/07/2013 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #standwithrand is still United States #3 trend on twitter. Quoting: Corn Dog Anyone notice hollywood is so quiet. Not one peep and they love to hop the top trending issues. Do you think some of those Hollywood idiots are thinking... could they really do that? Due process???? Wow, drones in America? I did read some John Cusack tweets standing with Rand. Cusack is one of the rare outspoken patriotic celebrities. "John Cusack, actor and self described civil libertarian, isn’t impressed with President Obama, he said during an appearance on "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday. "Following the political race this year? And what are you thinking? How are you feeling?” co-host Gayle King asked Cusack. “I sort of feel like there's some kind of Rubicon line issues that I hope are addressed that don't have to do with left and right, and some of those issues, some of the issues that the Obama administration has with due process and with the assassination of American citizens — this speech by Eric Holder — I think, are deeply troubling. I think that's beyond left and right,” the actor replied. “But from a civil libertarian point of view, the excesses of the Bush administration — I think he had a constitutional obligation to correct that, and I don't think they have, and I think that's deeply troubling for my nephews and for my future.” “Meaning you expected more from the president and attorney general?” co-host Charlie Rose inquired. “Yeah, I don't think the executive branch — I think that they've, kind of, continued that imperial presidency of the Bush administration with these claims to executive privilege,” Cusack said I had no idea cusack was awesome. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1606092 United States03/07/2013 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | #standwithrand is still United States #3 trend on twitter. Quoting: Corn Dog Anyone notice hollywood is so quiet. Not one peep and they love to hop the top trending issues. Do you think some of those Hollywood idiots are thinking... could they really do that? Due process???? Wow, drones in America? I did read some John Cusack tweets standing with Rand. Cusack is one of the rare outspoken patriotic celebrities. "John Cusack, actor and self described civil libertarian, isn’t impressed with President Obama, he said during an appearance on "CBS This Morning" on Tuesday. "Following the political race this year? And what are you thinking? How are you feeling?” co-host Gayle King asked Cusack. “I sort of feel like there's some kind of Rubicon line issues that I hope are addressed that don't have to do with left and right, and some of those issues, some of the issues that the Obama administration has with due process and with the assassination of American citizens — this speech by Eric Holder — I think, are deeply troubling. I think that's beyond left and right,” the actor replied. “But from a civil libertarian point of view, the excesses of the Bush administration — I think he had a constitutional obligation to correct that, and I don't think they have, and I think that's deeply troubling for my nephews and for my future.” “Meaning you expected more from the president and attorney general?” co-host Charlie Rose inquired. “Yeah, I don't think the executive branch — I think that they've, kind of, continued that imperial presidency of the Bush administration with these claims to executive privilege,” Cusack said I had no idea cusack was awesome. War Inc. was a great satire. Cusack wrote the majority of the movie himself. I'd be surprised if he didn't lurk on GLP. [link to www.imdb.com] |
