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Is the Illuminati fullfilling the Book of Revelation on purpose?

 
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Lucifer is the father of lies, and a murderer from the beginning. The original serial killer.

He may come across as charming, intelligent, and not so bad of a guy after all... but he's got millions of years worth of bodies buried in his back yard. Always looking for another one for the collection.

Trust anything he says at your own folly.

As for me, I believe what Jesus said. I'll take my chances in eternity with Him.
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Hopi prophesies are being fulfilled too, and much more obviously than Revelation, even though Hopies are not "Bibletards" of any sort. How do you explain this "evident truth" then, dear Christians? Maybe instead of repenting we should grow our hair long and smoke Hopi pipe then?
And what about Muslim prophesies?
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Source is Source, always has been, ever will be...

which in no way precludes the multitudinous perceptions and myriad ideologies that each, nay all may have regarding such

get with the program or be left behind in and for all intents and purposes of the Word

there is and has ever been but One Truth, which Truth is the bottom line regarding same within this World

in spite of the fact that any number of souls perceived things as only they could or did at any given moment in time

that Truth was never changed in accord with such

you have no prior knowledge or awareness of an undisputed bottom line in this regard in your repertoir of hits with reference to your time spent in flesh to date

hence you will have to go on your wisest judgments in this regard in these last days

for what else have you got per se to lean upon?

don't expect the world to acclimate itself to your most perfect dreams and visions of such, because clearly if it did we'd all be in pretty much the same boat as we find ourselves in at present tense, bailing franctically merely to stay afloat

this IS the epitome of what becomes of mankind when left to it's own devices, for all of you are part and parcel of such

there has always been temptation within this world, provided and sustained by one who cares only that you fail as he, nay as they have already done

the wicked have always been in vogue, en force herein

the lie of "strength in numbers" hence prevails

to disern the truth and stand behind it requires courage of a higher order

which is what this harvest and sifting of souls is all about

this world, such as it be, IS a sure reflection of the devices of mankind

hence look up, for something better is destined to arrive

and it will require all your discretionary vision to distinguish such from the myriad reflections hoping to emulate same to your own destruction in the doing BETWEEN, should you woefully in turn then follow suit

as many will come in His name in these final days

lest you should be deceived and be found worshipping idols when the curtain comes tumbling down

be alert, be judicious, don't fall prey to wanton desires and heady dreams of your OWN ideals regarding what it is that constitutes perfection

for you wouldn't recognize it should it present itself at your feet all wrapped up in a bright red bow, and you DO have precedent to lean upon in that particular regard whether you realize it or not, nevertheless

the problem being that you are seemingly unaware of such, nor are you eager to accept anything but WIN in your own regard

put your egos down and pick up your discretionary filters of sorts

for something abominably wicked, yet which for all intents and purposes resembles the Sun, shortly this way comes...
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YHWH is a subcreator in Genesis. He consumed people, he liked them salted. YHWH is a murderer, he was a dragon.

The real creator is Eli. Jesus cried out "Eli .." on the cross not YHWH.

Lucifer is Bal and he also was a creator and an enemy of YHWH. Eli is the real father. He is Alpha and Omega, not Jahveh, Yehowa, Buddha, Muhammad or whatever nonsense.

I think the Illum. (if they wish) are reborn in Lucifer like the people of Eli are reborn in the creator (if they wish). No reincarnation, sorry.


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pssst... fuck the holy spirit and fuck you! granny
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You just committed the one unpardonable sin mentioned in scripture.

Wow... Just... Wow.
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Yep, it feels great. It's so liberating, I encourage you to do it. Of course, "scripture" was ripped off from previous stories from older cultures that had nothing to do with christianity or jews. Any "god" that says it's okay to hack people with machetes but you get damned to hell for saying naughty things is not divine at all. Just a piss ant.
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This discussion is way more topical than you two realize...

We have had an Illuminati insider here earlier who explained the background to why they do what they do, and it went something like this (as far as I understand it):

We humans are the creation of a particular creation god known to us as Yawheh. Note that he is "a" god, not "The" god.

The Illuminati on the other hand are not of Yawheh, they are "guests" who on a soul level stem from another creator god known as Lucifer.

Now Yahweh was a bit of a control freak god who wanted his creations to dance to his tune, and who denied his creations free will. As a result, everything on Earth was perfect order and harmony, but spiritual progression was extremely slow. This era is know to us as the time of Eden or Paradise.

Yahweh was happy with the control, but not with the lack of progress. So he asked other gods for help. And it was determined that Lucifer would introduce some negative polarity and free will on Earth, just to shake things up.

Yahweh didn't like this idea, but he accepted it for the vain reason that he thought the love his creations held for him would be so strong they would refuse this sill "free will" notion and keep obeying him.

They (we humans) did not. They went with everything Lucifer proposed.

And then the benevolent god Yahweh turned into the jealous god Yahweh. You know, the Yahweh we all know from the Old Testament of the Bible.

To put it simply, Yahweh had a childish tantrum and sought revenge on his own creation, and on Lucifer for "leading them astray". He imprisoned Lucifer in his own (Yahweh's) realm, and Lucifer decided to be a shepherd to Yahweh's creation. Souls spawned from Lucifer began incarnating as Earth humans, in an effort to lead and guide them.

And the Illuminati has been doing it ever since. The guidance they offer is not of the obviously benevolent kind, because they are the patrons of our free will. For that reason, they will create polarity for us, and then shamelessly manipulate us into choosing the negative path.

The idea is not to harm us though, the idea is that we shall learn from the experience and evolve to the point of choosing the positive path, out of our own free will!

And that's why the Illuminati secretly produce BOTH good and bad things for us, even though they always push us towards the bad. They do this to put a choice before us, and they want us to choose good out of our own free will and understanding, so they make sure doing the right thing is never the easy and convenient path to take.

Anyone who thinks the Illuminati only produce bad things need to look a bit deeper. When you let go of your preconceptions, you'll find evidence of their handiwork in good things that happen too.

Yahweh is indeed being a "pissant", just as one of you combatants suggested above. But he still is, and will always be, our spiritual Father. We draw our life and very existence from him. He is the tree of which we are branches. This can never ever change.

So the solution to humanity's (and Yahweh's) problem, is to collectively grow the fuck up already. Lucifer is trying to help us do just that.

And believe it or not, progress is being made.
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anything is possible bro... we'd really have to look in it, if it is something that is coincidence and we can truly say so then that would most likely prove it isn't planned but your right most of the prophecies could have been planned. a rapture on the otherhand... idk

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Doesn't matter, the big deal was when the Lord took all sin for all time on Himself as atonement at the cross, don't understand what that means?, it means all time was totally subsumed and ripped 2000 years ago, so that all that was wrong and evil was bourn by a sinless being, this then put finality into the Scriptures, it doesn't matter what the wicked do to try and prevent, it will only make it cone on quicker, those who want to love God/YHVH have an option to fulfill the prophesies in the positive not the negative.
Don't want to believe, your choice, isn't going to change the outcome, Owner of the Planet and all on/under etc it and the owner Creator of the universe/multiverse is coming back to take possession of the property, the dark knows this, and wants as much bloodshed and horror as possible before hand, bitterness lets call it.
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let's call a spade a spade

moreover it's akin to fear, in truth, and OF truth in fact

these are men who've been wholly consumed, possession is 9/10ths of their law

as for "order" while they hide behind the notion of being in One, and of One unto themselves...

they couldn't be further from such.
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duh. it's called self-fulfilling prophecy. set up some ancient books, make events steer towards them, then it seems all magickal and prophetic, but it's all engineered.;
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yep especially if you consider black military/CIA/DARPA technology. they can most likely generate earthquakes, time travel, who honestly knows where it ends
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they can piddle around with it, why sure

but then you could do that inadvertantly while sleeping and it wouldn't cost you a billion dollars of someone else's money to do it! nor would it rip a hole in the fabric of your own reality to try to be the first one to effect such merely out of egos own pitious sake at this late date

yawn

while the fact of the matter remains that none of this ilk nor the ones they take orders from ie: those they follow blindly

can even save their own asses in TRUTH, not FOR themselves and not FROM themselves in fact

the future will prove me out in this regard in no uncertain terms

those are facts you can believe upon, as they are set in stone in Truth

guess you'll just have to reckon I reckon, question remains on what...

free will prevails, hence you must choose
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duh. it's called self-fulfilling prophecy. set up some ancient books, make events steer towards them, then it seems all magickal and prophetic, but it's all engineered.;
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This ^^^^

They wrote the darn thing in the first place
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obviously you haven't read it with any true discernment

and neither have THEY

guaranteed

in fact, I'd stake your life on it in truth

oh that's right, you've already done so, albeit unwittingly...
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maybe the Illuminati is not what you think it is...
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it isn't...

it isn't even what THEY think it is

in fact
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I posed this same question the other day. It seems ideal.

Let's say God is not real, and TPTB are engineering the world to follow it.

Then comes the mark of the beast, and you can't buy/sell/eat without it. Those people, "believers," will die, like lemmings.
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Most of the believers I know might die, but certainly not "like lemmings".

Those are merely the idiots that have been brainwashed by "Clergy Response Teams", that you speak of.
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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Self fulfilling prophecy? To be sure they are using it as a playbook.
Behind every myth lies a mystery, and every legend holds an echo of the truth …… anonimalle

" At the siege of Vienna in 1683 Islam seemed poised to overrun Christian Europe. We are in a new phase of a very old war."

Gates of Vienna.

"May we smite our enemies to the darkest chamber of hell, for we wish only to live in peace, and they desire only to put their boot upon our neck."
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

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that's right

THE HOUSE

not the whole damn deck of cards...
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That is really an interesting thought. That certainly is a possibility.
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they know what it is that they've created/caused/brought about

and they know damn well what THEY DIDN'T

therefore they can no doubt read the writing on the wall with far more discernment than even you at present tense

capisce?

not that they feel free to act upon such

they're up shit creek and low and behold

look around good buddy, you've forsaken your paddle...
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Dready dude says we have to fulfill the book.
You wanna argue with dready dude?

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...damn the rabbit hole.
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holes are for swiss cheese

and things that "take on water"

if I were you I'd be looking around for something a bit more sturdy in times like these

perhaps something with FOUNDATION

built upon Rock
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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Although the Bible was written over thousands of years, it is Gods, way of proving that He alone can foretell the future, He alone is God Almighty, and He is always 100% right, 100% of the time.
They and all sinners are going to be burning in hell for all eternity with their father the devil, just as God has clearly foretold them.

They are being led like lambs to the slaughter.
Since they are blind and deaf they will all fall into the pit along with the majority of the population, that consent to them, with all those that ignore Gods warnings, and think they will somehow escape Gods Wrath, that is already upon them.

Even though their future has already been predetermined, and announced well in advance, they won't see it. They can't stop their own destruction, because they are evil, and God will always outsmart them, every time.

They are fools.
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while your premise is entirely true your grasp of semantics is a bit off

the only true hell is the hell one subjects themselves to when they come to find that they've BLOWN IT

for all intents and purposes

a devastating blow to the ego of man indeed

when they see others who've had so very little to bank upon in life, who've run the hardest mile with a broken leg in truth, while they themselves have enjoyed every advantage re: same

basking in the sunlight of the morrow

from their position on what can only be described as "the lower limb" of the Tree of Life in that Golden Age soon to follow

whereas those who've struggled long and hard to pay the price, staying true to form throughout such, held the course and held that line that they believe upon, which is the bottom line in and of Truth in fact

stand up to receive the gift of immortality which duly they have earned

it's a crushing blow in no small measure of the word

hell is what you make it from beginning to end

not just after the fact
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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whether it is done artificially or not it is still being set about which still makes it the hand of God.
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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s226Have you been listening to William Coopers "Behold a pale horse" by any chance?
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Self fulfilling prophecy.Fucking religionists.
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GFY
Self fulfilling prophecy.Fucking religionists.
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THEY ANCESTORS WROTE IT
HA
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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my brain has been cheving on this for a long while now. Who's doing all this, whats the purpose, why do i read messages in media others dont etc etc

i dont know, future will tell, all i can do is try to interpit things and make the best i can out of it on my own. and thats why im quitting hanging out here
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Esau is the end of the world ( 2 Esdras 6:9).

God is putting his spirit into the hearts of Caucasians to destroy themselves. When Christ comes, Jacobs kingdom will be established for eternity.
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The creator of this world surely did not mean that we should worship him through a specific religion. Religions are mostly created by man with all problems that follows. Almost all religious people say that only their way is the correct. This is mad and proves that no religion is 100% correct.

What we know for sure is that TPTB worship something, but we do not know for sure what that is. Many say that it is Satan and that it therefor is evil.

But, what is evil? And why did the almighty creator let this in to the creation? There has to be a higher meaning for this obviously. If not, then the creator is not that omnipotent.

I think we all should study what Hidden Hand says in that dialogue from 2008.

And one more thing. If TPTB are worshippers of Satan, they surely kmows all about these prophecies and that God in the end will win. But! Why on earth do they then care about gun grabbing and why do they arm their own troops to the teeth? There are many more actions that are very "earthly" simultaneously as they go ahead with all this in Jerusalem?

Their plan is to prepare the world for the third world war. And playing different religions against eachother is the needed fuel for a disaster.

But in the end this is probably what was planned all along. They do what they are supposed to do before they leave this world.
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Agreed, all religion are manmade, inclusive all the resulting problems.

Its said garden Eden was harmonic, but isnt harmony about balance? If everything is just onesided, nothing can evolve.
Evolve to what tho....?

What is paradise? What would you do in paradise? If paradise had all you ever wanted, what would be the point in "wanting" anymore? One would simply just be.

Evolving is learning, so free will and decision making is needed in order to learn. Decissions can be only made if there are things to chose from. Polarity is nessecary for options.

I dont believe in worshipping because this compromises free will again and alteres decissions according to the "word" of the worshipped.
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This discussion is way more topical than you two realize...

We have had an Illuminati insider here earlier who explained the background to why they do what they do, and it went something like this (as far as I understand it):

We humans are the creation of a particular creation god known to us as Yawheh. Note that he is "a" god, not "The" god.

The Illuminati on the other hand are not of Yawheh, they are "guests" who on a soul level stem from another creator god known as Lucifer.

Now Yahweh was a bit of a control freak god who wanted his creations to dance to his tune, and who denied his creations free will. As a result, everything on Earth was perfect order and harmony, but spiritual progression was extremely slow. This era is know to us as the time of Eden or Paradise.

Yahweh was happy with the control, but not with the lack of progress. So he asked other gods for help. And it was determined that Lucifer would introduce some negative polarity and free will on Earth, just to shake things up.

Yahweh didn't like this idea, but he accepted it for the vain reason that he thought the love his creations held for him would be so strong they would refuse this sill "free will" notion and keep obeying him.

They (we humans) did not. They went with everything Lucifer proposed.

And then the benevolent god Yahweh turned into the jealous god Yahweh. You know, the Yahweh we all know from the Old Testament of the Bible.

To put it simply, Yahweh had a childish tantrum and sought revenge on his own creation, and on Lucifer for "leading them astray". He imprisoned Lucifer in his own (Yahweh's) realm, and Lucifer decided to be a shepherd to Yahweh's creation. Souls spawned from Lucifer began incarnating as Earth humans, in an effort to lead and guide them.

And the Illuminati has been doing it ever since. The guidance they offer is not of the obviously benevolent kind, because they are the patrons of our free will. For that reason, they will create polarity for us, and then shamelessly manipulate us into choosing the negative path.

The idea is not to harm us though, the idea is that we shall learn from the experience and evolve to the point of choosing the positive path, out of our own free will!

And that's why the Illuminati secretly produce BOTH good and bad things for us, even though they always push us towards the bad. They do this to put a choice before us, and they want us to choose good out of our own free will and understanding, so they make sure doing the right thing is never the easy and convenient path to take.

Anyone who thinks the Illuminati only produce bad things need to look a bit deeper. When you let go of your preconceptions, you'll find evidence of their handiwork in good things that happen too.

Yahweh is indeed being a "pissant", just as one of you combatants suggested above. But he still is, and will always be, our spiritual Father. We draw our life and very existence from him. He is the tree of which we are branches. This can never ever change.

So the solution to humanity's (and Yahweh's) problem, is to collectively grow the fuck up already. Lucifer is trying to help us do just that.

And believe it or not, progress is being made.
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I remember reading a interview at a website about it. To be honest, it made a whole lot of sense to me, it still does. Especially with everything going on worldwide, it explains pretty much.
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Why would you believe such tripe?
Religion per the Bible: be your brother's keeper, take care of the orphans and widows, which means the HELPLESS, OPPRESSED AND VICTIMS
Religion per these wicked men: Rule through oppression, victimisation and by making people helpless

'Lucifer' was in the garden of Eden, a man.
He was created perfect until iniquity was found in him.
Adam was kicked out of the garden.
The occult exalt their 'Adam Kadmon'...their "primordial man"
Guess WHO?

Wicked man does one thing: they perceive their Creator in their own image and likeness

That alone tells you the heart and mind behind the post which somehow makes sense to you??????

The Greek word DEVIL means SLANDERER. Slanderer of what? OUR GOD AND CREATOR'S CHARACTER By you agreeing with that person, you are agreeing with a devil which makes you - A DEVIL.

Step back please and understand that the principalities that we fight against is wickedness in high places. Those very same 'illuminati' and so called J*e*w*s that can only control a world that they manipulate into rejecting Our Creator and salvation. As the light dims through real faith, the darkness that has been relegated to the far ends of the world and pushed underground and away from us is just flooding right back in. THIS is what the past 2,000 years have offered mankind - an environment in which all of God's creation has had the opportunity to hear the gospel.

Mankind thinks that they have a choice, thinks that there are two doors in front of them to choose from. But what they don't realise is that there is only one! Mankind is already in Adam, so there is only one way out - to be IN CHRIST. THAT is Our God's NEW CREATION. Adam is the old, and Jesus Christ is the new. Those wicked men want you to remain in the old creation and therefore YOU WILL CHOOSE TO REJECT JESUS CHRIST.

We live in a world that nearly all of the big Christian churches are part of this movement. We have experienced the falling away and the men of lawlessness are everywhere. They make the above slanderous arguments, and because you yourself have rejected the Truth, you are left with believing their lies as truths. And worse, it sounds "good" to you and makes "sense"?????
The Truth is Our Living God. John 3 categorically states that all who perish perish because they never learned to love the Truth. That those who perish and are condemned will believe the lie.

You have two choices: believe lies and slander from living devils or humble your heart before a MERCIFUL and GOOD CREATOR and tell Him that you don't know the Truth but that you would like to and that you value it above all else. For nearly 6,000 years Our Creator and God has shown patience and love to a rebellious creation, even physically dieing at the hands of wicked men as an innocent man, taking upon all of our sins so that we can be reconciled to the Most High Loving God that you could imagine.
Please stop listening to devils.
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of course they are. they wrote it, get millions of people worked up and scared and obsessed with it, then send them into total hysteria by following it like a playbook.
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Or is it just a coincidence? Seems as though most of it is accurate. Makes me wonder whether the Illuminati is having a great laugh.
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Anything... Anything... ANYTHING... except for the truth, with you idiots.

Yeah, the Illuminati (and Satan) are having a great laugh... On you. Having deceived another clueless atheist that had all the forewarning a person could ever hope to have, and STILL coming up with the exact OPPOSITE of reality.

Should be entertaining, when you stand before God, having been given every imaginable chance in the world, but preferring lies and deception.

Enjoy the Mark. You'll be taking it, I would wager.
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It is always about fear with you "christians" isn't it? What makes what you believe in any better then what another culture's belief systems are?
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Its honestly not about fear. Its about truth.

Judaism is the oldest belief system. Other cultures belief systems came from peoples who were worshipping the moon, the sun, etc. Mohammed based his religion on a moon god. Egyptians stole elements of their myths from the Jews, its been proven. The first two people had multiple children that spread out and peopled the earth, they fell away from fait in the true God, but much of the original Hebrew beliefs were included in the myths they created, thus the similiar ideas.

Christianity is the coming of the Jewish Messiah. I believe God will save some who have not heard the name of Christ.....depends on their heart. The Illuminati exists as a Luciferian pawn. They are not causing anything to happen, they want you to believe the lie you are buying. Anything to keep your eyes off the truth.

there is so much more evidence, but i dont have time to write it all out now. Christ is real, bible prophecy goes much deeper than the end times. The book of Daniel foretold of every empire and he order they rose and fall. At some point the self fulfillment idea becomes so insane its ludicrous.
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? so how old is Judaism then?
I don't think so,
he's up there with the others laying low,
vying with those who you've traded your life to to bless your soul,
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Everything is going exactly how they want it to go.. People growing to HATE Christians and get everyone to steer away from Christ. If they're all under Lucifer and follow or "work for" the devil, so to say, wouldn't that be their main goal?
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I would say that it is the fanatical christians who turned me away from Christ.
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Though I would personally agree with turning away from Jesus, what a dumb move lol.

"I believe in you god but I wont anymore because of other people that believe in you" lol. Terrible logic
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Excellent point; proving that true Christianity is genetic: you're either born a child of God, or you're not. No child of God would ever be swayed by lies, because we recognize the truth -- it's in our hearts, minds, and DNA.
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foresealed into same, yes

predestined

so it be.
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Why would you believe such tripe?
Religion per the Bible: be your brother's keeper, take care of the orphans and widows, which means the HELPLESS, OPPRESSED AND VICTIMS
Religion per these wicked men: Rule through oppression, victimisation and by making people helpless

'Lucifer' was in the garden of Eden, a man.
He was created perfect until iniquity was found in him.
Adam was kicked out of the garden.
The occult exalt their 'Adam Kadmon'...their "primordial man"
Guess WHO?

Wicked man does one thing: they perceive their Creator in their own image and likeness

That alone tells you the heart and mind behind the post which somehow makes sense to you??????

The Greek word DEVIL means SLANDERER. Slanderer of what? OUR GOD AND CREATOR'S CHARACTER By you agreeing with that person, you are agreeing with a devil which makes you - A DEVIL.

Step back please and understand that the principalities that we fight against is wickedness in high places. Those very same 'illuminati' and so called J*e*w*s that can only control a world that they manipulate into rejecting Our Creator and salvation. As the light dims through real faith, the darkness that has been relegated to the far ends of the world and pushed underground and away from us is just flooding right back in. THIS is what the past 2,000 years have offered mankind - an environment in which all of God's creation has had the opportunity to hear the gospel.

Mankind thinks that they have a choice, thinks that there are two doors in front of them to choose from. But what they don't realise is that there is only one! Mankind is already in Adam, so there is only one way out - to be IN CHRIST. THAT is Our God's NEW CREATION. Adam is the old, and Jesus Christ is the new. Those wicked men want you to remain in the old creation and therefore YOU WILL CHOOSE TO REJECT JESUS CHRIST.

We live in a world that nearly all of the big Christian churches are part of this movement. We have experienced the falling away and the men of lawlessness are everywhere. They make the above slanderous arguments, and because you yourself have rejected the Truth, you are left with believing their lies as truths. And worse, it sounds "good" to you and makes "sense"?????
The Truth is Our Living God. John 3 categorically states that all who perish perish because they never learned to love the Truth. That those who perish and are condemned will believe the lie.

You have two choices: believe lies and slander from living devils or humble your heart before a MERCIFUL and GOOD CREATOR and tell Him that you don't know the Truth but that you would like to and that you value it above all else. For nearly 6,000 years Our Creator and God has shown patience and love to a rebellious creation, even physically dieing at the hands of wicked men as an innocent man, taking upon all of our sins so that we can be reconciled to the Most High Loving God that you could imagine.
Please stop listening to devils.
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Think of one, great source. Something with combines everything there is. Everything which is opposing each other united in Oneness. This cant be "God" nor can it be "Lucifer" Both came from this source, both are opposit parts of the scale to keep balance, to keep the whole.
As for the two doors, well one could choose one of the doors.But maybe there is a hidden door, just in the exact middle of the two and only those who are not blinded by either side are able to see it
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duh. it's called self-fulfilling prophecy. set up some ancient books, make events steer towards them, then it seems all magickal and prophetic, but it's all engineered.;
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I would go further and say that a lot of people are putting energy into that prophecy, consciously or not. All thoughts manifest physically in some for or another and the more thought/energy you put into an idea the stronger the manifestation will be.
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"my people are dying for lack of knowledge"

dying ie: they will suffer the reward of a spiritual death

which is why so many will fall into temptation during the tribulation when they are offered all they could ever hope to believe upon on one hand, as given them by the brightest and most beautiful star of the heavens, in all his supernatural cherubic glory, unrestricted by the truth of any matter thus free to speak and proclaim all that they'd most wish to hear for the duration

as opposed to the hardline truth of the matter upon the other hand by those of their own brethren who've been through all hell and highwater non stop since their onset in flesh

look around...

how many do you discern capable of withstanding that silver platter that will be offered all in lieu of an altogether horrific parallel?

whereas the rest will spend the Millennium Age rueing their own choices, having been so readily and happily deceived

tribulation lasts 5 months, the millennium Age lasts a thousand years

not much of a trade off, rest assured

the fact remains that no one will be left alive in flesh on the first day of the Millennium Age, as flesh cannot exist in the higher density of a world wherein heaven and hell have been forcibly conjoined

"and in the last days they shall be giving and taking with the fallen angels, the nephillim, just as they were in Sodom and Gomorrah"

Selah
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We are already at the end of the Millenium.
Can you not see the deceived nations around you? And please stop listening to Jewish fables regarding angels. The sons of God took the daughters of men...daughters are goods and truths...the Sons of God starting believing man-made doctrine and dogma...just like they have today.

OP, my answer to your question is this: they are fulfilling the version of Revelations that they have sold to so many. The 'heavens and earth' passed when Jesus Christ destroyed the last apostate system in Judea. The kingdom that He ushered in isn't going anywhere and the gates of hell will never prevail against it. It will get battered, the power of the Holy people will be broken through tremendous destruction, but as promised, fire comes down from Heaven and destroys the ungodly. If you haven't noticed the millions already being destroyed through the fire of 'kundalini' and meditation, with the apostate preachers shouting "FIRE FIRE FIRE" and "BURN BURN BURN" over the heads of their congregation, then I do not know what else is going on except the "fired clay bricks" which formed the tower.

Our God is sovereign, and to this end, He warned us that the delusion would be so great that it would nearly fool the elect. History repeats itself for there is nothing new under the sun, what was will be again. All of us must be careful to prove and pray about everything. Words of men, both false and true, get stuck in our minds. Our Teacher can sort them for us if we seek His Truth. I certainly don't profess to understand but a small bit, but every day I ask and seek. As He delivered Lot and as He delivered Noah, so too will He deliver this time. Everything happening today is ultimately under His Authority. The wicked are just as deceived and those who they are deceiving, never understanding that they are fulfilling every last bit of this divine plan. We may never know this entire plan in this lifetime, but I await the day that we all come into the knowledge of just how everything done has been for a sole purpose - to show His Glory. We may reject this now with the cruelties at the hands of the most wicked of men, but ultimately my trust in His Vision and His Plan must prove greater than my mere limited human perception and thoughts. Until then, strengthen and comfort the hurt, the oppressed, the scarred, the victims and those who are fearful as He does for us. It will have an ending. It will all be finished. The curtain will be drawn on evil in the lives of the old creation. And no doubt, it will teach us the utter Sovereignty, the utter Goodness, and the utter Mercy of God and likewise the sheer madness and the sheer horror of what man was capable of without His Creator.
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Everything is going exactly how they want it to go.. People growing to HATE Christians and get everyone to steer away from Christ. If they're all under Lucifer and follow or "work for" the devil, so to say, wouldn't that be their main goal?
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I would say that it is the fanatical christians who turned me away from Christ.
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Though I would personally agree with turning away from Jesus, what a dumb move lol.

"I believe in you god but I wont anymore because of other people that believe in you" lol. Terrible logic
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I can see her point, but it's a weak one in truth

the fact that the majority of Christians aren't taught the full truth of the Word leaves them lacking in this regard

whereby they rant and rave about "hell" and burning in the Lake of Fire to anyone who doesn't agree with that minimal amount of truth that they DO know and understand

which immediately puts off anyone with any sensibilities at all, it would me I know that holds true, were that the case in my own

yet the fact of the matter remains that there is no HELL per se, and the Lake of Fire is not some eternal source of raging pain and suffering for the souls who fail to overcome and put on immortality

hardly the case

rather the Lake of Fire is only manifested for a short time following the Millennium Age and the final Judgment, for all those who've failed once again to overcome satan and his deception at the end of the thousand year period of time known as The Lords Day and/or the Millennium Age. you see he will serve during two different tribulations prior to the eternal blotting out which then follows

God takes no pleasure in suffering, nor does anyone who is righteous enough to have "overcome the world" and "satan" who dwells behind the scenes herein

instead those who fail to live up to the standard as set by "what is true and correct" in all regard with reference to Gods word and the Truth of all matters

are simply blotted out instantly whereby no memory of them remains to cause pain to those who've overcome and may well miss them otherwise, as these may be their family members and friends in truth from their walk in flesh

without the full knowledge of truth one is basically lost, in spite of the fact that they've gone to church all their lives

without a working knowledge of the three earth and heaven Ages or dispensations of time, no one can "rightly divide the word" whereby they understand the simplicity in which it's given

it's sad really

but they'll learn during the upcoming Age

you all will

in truth you'll have no choice

that is the basic structure of the Golden Age

an Age wherein all those who fail to overcome are located on a level beneath the one whereupon Christ will dwell, yet in full view of same

they will have the opportunity to see those who have arrived on the temple side, known as "the right side of the gulf" during the Millennium Age from their position on the opposite and/or the lower level of same

these will be taught truth for the full thousand years by the Elect who will dwell with Christ

satan will be bound both body AND spirit at this time, cast into the bottom of a pit on the same side of the gulf as those who followed him shall dwell on "the wrong side of the gulf"

what it is is a lower dimension than the one those of the Elect will have returned to their original place within, akin to the difference between "ascending" fully and being in a state of "limbo" to some extent wherein they have minimal freedom in truth for the duration

making it a golden age indeed for those who've duly suffered during their walk in flesh, in lieu of their fellow man, as these will no longer have to suffer those who would offend as the likes of same are relegated to a separate area for the duration of the thousand years, never again to cross paths with those who have resurrected unless or until they are capable of doing such as well in their own regard

having earned immortality the Elect will fully resurrect on the first day of The Lords Day forthcoming

at least those who don't believe will be in a position whereby they can no longer argue THE FACT of the matter with reference to what's true and what is fallacy, in any regard, as it will be happening right before their eyes at that point in time

their leader (lucifer) will be right there where they can gaze in upon him (same side of the "gulf") and when they do they will say "is this the man who deceived the whole world?" you see he won't look quite so formidible from that angle of perspective, know this

then they will realize that no, not the whole world, just most of it was deceived

Gods Elect have always had the truth, these being predestined to be born into this last generation to become beacons for that truth for all the world to see when they are delivered up before the synegogue of satan during the time known as tribulation of the saints. these Elect are the saints spoken of throughout the Word of God. they are those of you who stood against satan during his rebellion in the prior Age, whereas the rest of this generation are those who fell away with him at that time, yea tho you recall it not. you will, most of soon I can promise you this

once settled in on the wrong side of the uncrossable gulf, these will be capable of witnessing the full measure of what having done things accordingly might have afforded them, had they had the wherewithall to have bothered to hold that line of Truth and suffered for their cause accordingly. no one wins immortality by a fluke, it must be earned through the blood, sweat, and tears of a hard won battle whereby the truth is all that matters and your living flesh means little in that light

no flesh will go forth into the Millennium Age, so regardless of whether you die for something or die for nothing, death will become you in fact and indeed

all that is made up of organic material will be melted with fervent heat at the last Trumpet, which means no flesh will withstand such. therefore all will be standing where they stood in flesh but they will find themselves in an altered state, a spiritual body that they will soon remember having dwelled in before in a prior Age, as their memories come flooding back immediately thereafter

that's when the wailing and gnashing of teeth truly begins, as they suddenly recall what they should have known during their walk in flesh. sadly it just didn't apply

the hard way is the best way to learn any lesson worth knowing in the majority of peoples lives it seems

that which is yet to come will be no exception to this rule

in the meanwhile "let the strong delusion reign supreme"

it will make the climax of this movie all the more relevant when push comes fully to shove

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