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Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?

 
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Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
So he wants to separate the wheat from the chaff, but why couldn't he just created us the way he wants?

I'll tell you why, because its not God, its just an ET playing God with us.

Satanism/Christianity were created in concert (Paganism becomes recontextualized with the Savior story update)
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
We are not robots.

We are emotional, thinking beings.
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We are not robots.

We are emotional, thinking beings.
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are you christian?
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
God created neither death nor suffering nor evil. Evil has no hypostasis or existence as such. Evil is the absence of good; death is the absence of life. Evil is the alienation of the created being who has estranged himself from God; it is the degeneration of an essence which was created good. The sinner dies, not because God slays him in punishment so that He might revenge Himself on him -- for man cannot offend God, nor does God experience any satisfaction at the death of a man -- the sinner dies because he has alienated himself from the Source of Life. God is not responsible for evil, nor is He its cause. Neither is God blameworthy because He created man's nature with the possibility of alienating itself. If He had created human nature without free will, by this imposed condition He would have rendered the created intelligent being purely passive in nature; the creature would simply submit, not having the possibility of doing otherwise, since it would not be free. However, God wished that, after a fashion, we too should be His co-workers in His creation and be responsible for our own eternal destiny. God knows in His infinite wisdom how to transform the causes of evil into that which is profitable for man's salvation.

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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
Evil doesn't exist, just like cold doesn't. Cold is just the absence of heat, like darkness is the absence of light, darkness has no existence.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
Purpose.

"Hey, are you the kind of kid who reads the last page of a mystery first? Who pesters the magician to tell you his tricks? Who sneaks downstairs to peek at his Christmas presents?"

I can't directly show you truth. Truth is self evident and for the observer to observe and collect themselves. Ever heard of nothing comes easy? Well it's true, it takes work. This is His work in us. Then men have their own devices and great works they declare that will come to naught. So basically what does nature tell you?

It tells you that you can't build a muscle without breaking it down first. It tells you that scary sounding thunderstorms are actually good and cleanse the air and ground, bringing even out the worms. It tells you that gold is only purifiable by means of high heat, clearing off the dross mixed with the valueable ass-et. High pressure makes coal into a diamond. So I'm not going to tell you as you wouldn 't believe it...you have to see it yourself to believe it. I'm not gonna tell you...but I'll help you to the best of my ability. Enjoy.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
Sure, if you do wrong.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
Without suffering, you wouldn't know joy.

Without evil, you wouldn't know good.

Don't you get it? Look at the universe we live in. Dualistic by nature. Dark - light. Evil - good. Positive - negative.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
Without suffering, you wouldn't know joy.

Without evil, you wouldn't know good.

Don't you get it? Look at the universe we live in. Dualistic by nature. Dark - light. Evil - good. Positive - negative.
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Don´t eat from the Tree anymore. Or you die, each time anew.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
So he wants to separate the wheat from the chaff, but why couldn't he just created us the way he wants?

I'll tell you why, because its not God, its just an ET playing God with us.

Satanism/Christianity were created in concert (Paganism becomes recontextualized with the Savior story update)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34421530


God wants to find out who will and who will not
be with him when the chips are down, so to speak
by faith, and who can and will use prayer, faith, hope
and charity, to create good works in a difficult environment.

He also respects us each enough to refuse to interfere
with our free agency.

He loves us each enough to have sent Christ to be our
intermediary with him, for our mistakes.

Every single interference of free agency is by Satan,
who rebelled against God before his birth as a mortal.

God doesn't want or need slaves. He wants success for
each of us, by our own efforts, as much as possible.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
Without suffering, you wouldn't know joy.

Without evil, you wouldn't know good.

Don't you get it? Look at the universe we live in. Dualistic by nature. Dark - light. Evil - good. Positive - negative.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31197844


Don´t eat from the Tree anymore. Or you die, each time anew.
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The system sucks I agree. I wish we were all in the garden again.
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
God created neither death nor suffering nor evil. Evil has no hypostasis or existence as such. Evil is the absence of good; death is the absence of life. Evil is the alienation of the created being who has estranged himself from God; it is the degeneration of an essence which was created good. The sinner dies, not because God slays him in punishment so that He might revenge Himself on him -- for man cannot offend God, nor does God experience any satisfaction at the death of a man -- the sinner dies because he has alienated himself from the Source of Life. God is not responsible for evil, nor is He its cause. Neither is God blameworthy because He created man's nature with the possibility of alienating itself. If He had created human nature without free will, by this imposed condition He would have rendered the created intelligent being purely passive in nature; the creature would simply submit, not having the possibility of doing otherwise, since it would not be free. However, God wished that, after a fashion, we too should be His co-workers in His creation and be responsible for our own eternal destiny. God knows in His infinite wisdom how to transform the causes of evil into that which is profitable for man's salvation.

[link to www.ocf.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25746898


Lol
He must not be all knowing, alpha, omega, ect, as the bible claims...


I guess making him not god.


If not that, the very fact that hell and evil are allowed and overlooked are bad enough.
no man will be free until the last king is being strangled by the entrails of the last priest.

no one escapes when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails, and those who cried "appease! appease!" are hanged by those they tried to please.

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Re: Question for Christians: If God created Satan, he wants us to suffer...yes?
So he wants to separate the wheat from the chaff, but why couldn't he just created us the way he wants?

I'll tell you why, because its not God, its just an ET playing God with us.

Satanism/Christianity were created in concert (Paganism becomes recontextualized with the Savior story update)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34421530


God created satan as one of his very, very best angels if not THE best. Lucifer got cocky and thought he would become better than God and convinced a third of all of the angels to follow him in trying to defeat God.

Satan knows that God loves humans therefore satan hates humans. He stands before God day and night accusing us. Satan is the one who planted the bad seeds (chaff/his offspring) and then there are the good seeds (those that choose to be with God) Judgement day will be a final separation of the wheat from the chaff. Then it will be very clear who is with satan and who stands with God. God will know what is in everyone's hearts.

God did not create satan to be evil. Satan chose his path, just as the fallen angels did and just as you do.

Last Edited by A Friend on 03/11/2013 03:25 AM
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