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Debunking the "Tilted Moon Filmed in Canada" Nonsense

 
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Debunking the "Tilted Moon Filmed in Canada" Nonsense
Normally I wouldn't make a thread about an insignificant video like this, but since I see it reposted somewhat frequently around here and since the premise is a complete lie, I figured I'd repost my debunking of it as its own thread so I can refer to it when necessary. Some claim this was filmed in "Canada" and shows the moon tilted 90 degrees (not the video's author, but others who I guess determined that the video author lives in Canada).

It doesn't say "Canada" in the comments or in the description. And look at this, it was filmed on a cruise ship:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Now where was this cruse ship? Well judging by the ladies walking around with bare arms, it sure doesn't look like Canada. Oh, but we can KNOW where that cruise ship was headed because this video was uploaded the same day:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Cozumel. So they were somewhere in the Caribbean.

Now judging by the many uploads that day, chances are they uploaded them after getting home from their cruise, not the same day they filmed them. Therefore we have to go based on the phase of the moon and the month it was uploaded to find the date it was filmed. I would eyeball that to be about 40% illuminated, though because it's so bright it's hard to say which features are illuminated and therefore whether it's waxing or waning. So let's find more detailed info on where and when this cruise occurred, shall we?
[link to www.youtube.com]
" Stephanie MacDonald 3 years ago

It was the Norwegian Jewel. Charter Cruise by Sixthman. Ships and Dip V (Barenaked Ladies)"

Much better. A quick search for that turns up this:

[link to boards.cruisecritic.com]
"The Norwegian Jewel will host Barenaked Ladies annual Ships and Dip cruise February 1-6, 2009."

There we go! According to my spreadsheet ( Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon ), the moon was 40% full at about 1:20 UT on February 2nd, 2009 which would be at 8:20 at night on February 1st by Florida time. From this video we can see they departed from Miami on February 1st:
[link to www.youtube.com]

We can see that February 2nd was a "day at sea" between Miami and Cozumel:
[link to www.suebeedesigns.com]

Makes perfect sense; days spent at sea typically involve parties on the deck at night, and it was their first night out at sea on February 1st. They probably weren't too far from Miami at that point, I'm going to guess somewhere near the Keys, 24.5N 81W. According to my previously mentioned spreadsheet the moon was highly tilted from those coordinates all night, reaching 90 degrees tilt exactly at 11:03pm eastern time. Even as early as 9pm it was 82 degrees tilted from vertical, by 10pm it was nearly 86 degrees tilted, and again at 11:03 it peaked at 90 degrees tilt. So yes, this video is confirmed by calculations showing where the moon SHOULD be and how tilted it SHOULD look relative to the horizon.

Damn I'm good.

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Thorough. Good post.
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does the moon look the same to people in the northern and southern hemispheres? or does it look upside-down?
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does the moon look the same to people in the northern and southern hemispheres? or does it look upside-down?
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It looks upside down when you switch hemispheres, but it can look "horizontal" from either hemisphere. If you swap hemispheres its as if the moon flips because you are "upside down" relative to how you were originally.
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I see astrotard thread of crap ready
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I see astrotard thread of crap ready
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Then prove it is crap.
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Astro good job man,

but seriously im waiting for the day i see on here,

a post from you saying,,,,


"Unknown incoming massive object possibly aliens"

with video content and pictures of your proof,


then everybody goes cray cause the SHTF in less than 3 days glp gets over 9,000 users , unknown object headed straight for the earth on collision course but dr astro tracked that whole mothafukka the whole time son.


and 1.
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Astro good job man,

but seriously im waiting for the day i see on here,

a post from you saying,,,,


"Unknown incoming massive object possibly aliens"

with video content and pictures of your proof,


then everybody goes cray cause the SHTF in less than 3 days glp gets over 9,000 users , unknown object headed straight for the earth on collision course but dr astro tracked that whole mothafukka the whole time son.


and 1.
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LOL! Well, I did break the news here about the martian doom.
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does the moon look the same to people in the northern and southern hemispheres? or does it look upside-down?
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It looks upside down when you switch hemispheres, but it can look "horizontal" from either hemisphere. If you swap hemispheres its as if the moon flips because you are "upside down" relative to how you were originally.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

So from Australia, the moon looks like it's got a bunny on it; does it look like an upside-down bunny from USA?
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Astro good job man,

but seriously im waiting for the day i see on here,

a post from you saying,,,,


"Unknown incoming massive object possibly aliens"

with video content and pictures of your proof,


then everybody goes cray cause the SHTF in less than 3 days glp gets over 9,000 users , unknown object headed straight for the earth on collision course but dr astro tracked that whole mothafukka the whole time son.


and 1.
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LOL! Well, I did break the news here about the martian doom.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Was about damn time. You were destroying all those doomtards dreams these past years. seal
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Good post, DA!
"Who shall I send, and who will go for us?' And I replied, 'Here am I. Send me..." For I have not given up on my country, so may my country not give up on me. semper fucking fi.
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Astro good job man,

but seriously im waiting for the day i see on here,

a post from you saying,,,,


"Unknown incoming massive object possibly aliens"

with video content and pictures of your proof,


then everybody goes cray cause the SHTF in less than 3 days glp gets over 9,000 users , unknown object headed straight for the earth on collision course but dr astro tracked that whole mothafukka the whole time son.


and 1.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31958679


LOL! Well, I did break the news here about the martian doom.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Was about damn time. You were destroying all those doomtards dreams these past years. seal
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he is the destroyer of doomtards and moontards alike
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Re: Debunking the "Tilted Moon Filmed in Canada" Nonsense
does the moon look the same to people in the northern and southern hemispheres? or does it look upside-down?
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It looks upside down when you switch hemispheres, but it can look "horizontal" from either hemisphere. If you swap hemispheres its as if the moon flips because you are "upside down" relative to how you were originally.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

So from Australia, the moon looks like it's got a bunny on it; does it look like an upside-down bunny from USA?
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Yeah, pretty much. Here's what the 1st quarter moon looks like in your neck of the woods:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Vs what it looks like here in the northern hemisphere (when it is without too much field rotation):
[link to www.flickr.com]
It's literally a 180 degree difference.
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does the moon look the same to people in the northern and southern hemispheres? or does it look upside-down?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


It looks upside down when you switch hemispheres, but it can look "horizontal" from either hemisphere. If you swap hemispheres its as if the moon flips because you are "upside down" relative to how you were originally.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

So from Australia, the moon looks like it's got a bunny on it; does it look like an upside-down bunny from USA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


Yeah, pretty much. Here's what the 1st quarter moon looks like in your neck of the woods:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Vs what it looks like here in the northern hemisphere (when it is without too much field rotation):
[link to www.flickr.com]
It's literally a 180 degree difference.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


is that the same phase of the moon? the shadow is on the otehr side.
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It looks upside down when you switch hemispheres, but it can look "horizontal" from either hemisphere. If you swap hemispheres its as if the moon flips because you are "upside down" relative to how you were originally.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

So from Australia, the moon looks like it's got a bunny on it; does it look like an upside-down bunny from USA?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388


Yeah, pretty much. Here's what the 1st quarter moon looks like in your neck of the woods:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Vs what it looks like here in the northern hemisphere (when it is without too much field rotation):
[link to www.flickr.com]
It's literally a 180 degree difference.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


is that the same phase of the moon? the shadow is on the otehr side.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35769388

It's 180 degrees rotated, if you rotate the image 180 degrees back you see that it's actually on the same side.
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Yet again with you field rotation moon crap

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Yet again with you field rotation moon crap

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Prove it is "crap."
Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon
The equations are all right there in the spreadsheet. Show where they are wrong.
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Hey astrotard, in which book did you find that the moon rotates several degrees per hour becouse of your field rotation moon cra
p?

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Hey astrotard, in which book did you find that the moon rotates several degrees per hour becouse of your field rotation moon cra
p?

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The position of the moon itself was calculated using the method of Michelle Chapront-Touzé and Jean Chapront as published in 1991 in the book "Lunar tables and programs from 4000 B.C. to A.D. 8000." From there it was simply a matter of calculating the position-angle of the illuminated portion of the moon relative to the center-north line of the moon and converting the moon's center point and northern point to altitude-azimuth coordinates. You can find formulas to do that in the book "Practical Astronomy With Your Calculator" by Peter Duffett-Smith, published in 1979.

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So that info thare is not on common school books
right?
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Yet again with you field rotation moon crap
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Dear Ducky,

If your health insurance don't cover it: I will pay for your spaying (resp. vasectomy if you are male).


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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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So that info thare is not on common school books
right?
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Actually universities use that book for their coursework.

[link to www.physics.sfasu.edu]

"Text:
Stars and Planets
by Jay Pasachoff
Practical Astronomy with Your Calculator
third edition by Peter Duffett-Smith"

And as I showed in my video about my spreadsheet, the book I used to calculate the position of the moon was from a university library.



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So that info thare is not on common school books
right?
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Actually universities use that book for their coursework.

[link to www.physics.sfasu.edu]

"Text:
Stars and Planets
by Jay Pasachoff
Practical Astronomy with Your Calculator
third edition by Peter Duffett-Smith"

:fuckyeah:
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


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Oh dear, it seems ducky ran out of excuses.
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Thorough. Good post.
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I guess you did not ever open a school book, even on wikipedia **** there is not such a shame...
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which way up does the moon look if you're on the equator? (earth's equator of course, not the moon's)
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Thorough. Good post.
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I guess you did not ever open a school book, even on wikipedia **** there is not such a shame...
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