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Debunking the "Tilted Moon Filmed in Canada" Nonsense

 
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And in response to your comment Ducky, I don't know too many 10 year olds who know how to accurately calculate and predict the position and orientation of the moon in the sky, but that's exactly what my spreadsheet does.

Oh, and as for that photograph, you can find it in this book. You always demand to see evidence in book form, so here it is:

Indeed, the calculations show that's exactly what the crescent moon should have looked like from that location at that time. You can check it for yourself:
[link to dropcanvas.com]

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Dr. Astro, you could really have fun this April Fool's day coming up!!!

Seriously, cook something up good, get a bunch of the crazy believers following it then drop the April Fools bomb!
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So the moon moves from east to west also? I've seen it really low to the south east move to the north west. Is this correct? I live in the northern hemisphere, south east US.
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damn you have an ego pfff dork

Normally I wouldn't make a thread about an insignificant video like this, but since I see it reposted somewhat frequently around here and since the premise is a complete lie, I figured I'd repost my debunking of it as its own thread so I can refer to it when necessary. Some claim this was filmed in "Canada" and shows the moon tilted 90 degrees (not the video's author, but others who I guess determined that the video author lives in Canada).

It doesn't say "Canada" in the comments or in the description. And look at this, it was filmed on a cruise ship:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Now where was this cruse ship? Well judging by the ladies walking around with bare arms, it sure doesn't look like Canada. Oh, but we can KNOW where that cruise ship was headed because this video was uploaded the same day:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Cozumel. So they were somewhere in the Caribbean.

Now judging by the many uploads that day, chances are they uploaded them after getting home from their cruise, not the same day they filmed them. Therefore we have to go based on the phase of the moon and the month it was uploaded to find the date it was filmed. I would eyeball that to be about 40% illuminated, though because it's so bright it's hard to say which features are illuminated and therefore whether it's waxing or waning. So let's find more detailed info on where and when this cruise occurred, shall we?
[link to www.youtube.com]
" Stephanie MacDonald 3 years ago

It was the Norwegian Jewel. Charter Cruise by Sixthman. Ships and Dip V (Barenaked Ladies)"

Much better. A quick search for that turns up this:

[link to boards.cruisecritic.com]
"The Norwegian Jewel will host Barenaked Ladies annual Ships and Dip cruise February 1-6, 2009."

There we go! According to my spreadsheet ( Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon ), the moon was 40% full at about 1:20 UT on February 2nd, 2009 which would be at 8:20 at night on February 1st by Florida time. From this video we can see they departed from Miami on February 1st:
[link to www.youtube.com]

We can see that February 2nd was a "day at sea" between Miami and Cozumel:
[link to www.suebeedesigns.com]

Makes perfect sense; days spent at sea typically involve parties on the deck at night, and it was their first night out at sea on February 1st. They probably weren't too far from Miami at that point, I'm going to guess somewhere near the Keys, 24.5N 81W. According to my previously mentioned spreadsheet the moon was highly tilted from those coordinates all night, reaching 90 degrees tilt exactly at 11:03pm eastern time. Even as early as 9pm it was 82 degrees tilted from vertical, by 10pm it was nearly 86 degrees tilted, and again at 11:03 it peaked at 90 degrees tilt. So yes, this video is confirmed by calculations showing where the moon SHOULD be and how tilted it SHOULD look relative to the horizon.

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Also have seen the Cheshire cat smile of the moon.
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Hey astrotard, in which book did you find that the moon rotates several degrees per hour becouse of your field rotation moon cra
p?

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Then prove he's wrong you stupid retard! You offer nothing except empty criticism. Butthurt and jealous because you are a simple retard that will never have as much of a grasp on all things astrological like DA does.

Don't be jealous. Appreciate and learn from his contributions or at least provide solid evidence stating that he's wrong.
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So the moon moves from east to west also? I've seen it really low to the south east move to the north west. Is this correct? I live in the northern hemisphere, south east US.
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It generally moves east to west, though relative to the stars it moves west to east. You can download and use my spreadsheet to calculate where it will be in the sky for your location at a given time.
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Hey astrotard, in which book did you find that the moon rotates several degrees per hour becouse of your field rotation moon cra
p?

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Then prove he's wrong you stupid retard! You offer nothing except empty criticism. Butthurt and jealous because you are a simple retard that will never have as much of a grasp on all things astrological like DA does.

Don't be jealous. Appreciate and learn from his contributions or at least provide solid evidence stating that he's wrong.
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He wanted book references, I gave him book references, he dismissed it out of hand. Rinse repeat.
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I have seen a moon like this in ontario canada. Is that normal?
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Hey astrotard, in which book did you find that the moon rotates several degrees per hour becouse of your field rotation moon cra
p?

norespect
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Then prove he's wrong you stupid retard! You offer nothing except empty criticism. Butthurt and jealous because you are a simple retard that will never have as much of a grasp on all things astrological like DA does.

Don't be jealous. Appreciate and learn from his contributions or at least provide solid evidence stating that he's wrong.
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He wanted book references, I gave him book references, he dismissed it out of hand. Rinse repeat.
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Hey, you really do have a lot of patience. I'm not surprised you resort to insults sometimes though as it would frustrate the crap out of me. You provide hard, solid, documented facts to back up what you say and still the conspiritards still aren't happy and insist you are some kind of shill. I just don't get the level of stupidity and close mindedness to the truth that goes on with some people here. They won't accept anything that is 100% provable but they'll believe some lunatic with a youtube video claiming all kinds of nonsense with no facts to corroborate their claims.
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I have seen a moon like this in ontario canada. Is that normal?
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Take a picture and compare to the spreadsheet. You can compare both the angle of the moon's orientation as seen here:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Or you can also do a long exposure and measure the moon's position:
[link to www.youtube.com]
The moon will look tilted to various degrees at various times in various locations, but measurements consistently show that it's normal (to an extent far beyond human or even telescopic vision).
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Hey astrotard, in which book did you find that the moon rotates several degrees per hour becouse of your field rotation moon cra
p?

norespect
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Then prove he's wrong you stupid retard! You offer nothing except empty criticism. Butthurt and jealous because you are a simple retard that will never have as much of a grasp on all things astrological like DA does.

Don't be jealous. Appreciate and learn from his contributions or at least provide solid evidence stating that he's wrong.
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He wanted book references, I gave him book references, he dismissed it out of hand. Rinse repeat.
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Hey, you really do have a lot of patience. I'm not surprised you resort to insults sometimes though as it would frustrate the crap out of me. You provide hard, solid, documented facts to back up what you say and still the conspiritards still aren't happy and insist you are some kind of shill. I just don't get the level of stupidity and close mindedness to the truth that goes on with some people here. They won't accept anything that is 100% provable but they'll believe some lunatic with a youtube video claiming all kinds of nonsense with no facts to corroborate their claims.
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Yup, it's a sad truth.
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Dr. Astro, you could really have fun this April Fool's day coming up!!!

Seriously, cook something up good, get a bunch of the crazy believers following it then drop the April Fools bomb!
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Except, the crazy believers probably wouldn't stop believing.
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Normally I wouldn't make a thread about an insignificant video like this, but since I see it reposted somewhat frequently around here and since the premise is a complete lie, I figured I'd repost my debunking of it as its own thread so I can refer to it when necessary. Some claim this was filmed in "Canada" and shows the moon tilted 90 degrees (not the video's author, but others who I guess determined that the video author lives in Canada).

It doesn't say "Canada" in the comments or in the description. And look at this, it was filmed on a cruise ship:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Now where was this cruse ship? Well judging by the ladies walking around with bare arms, it sure doesn't look like Canada. Oh, but we can KNOW where that cruise ship was headed because this video was uploaded the same day:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Cozumel. So they were somewhere in the Caribbean.

Now judging by the many uploads that day, chances are they uploaded them after getting home from their cruise, not the same day they filmed them. Therefore we have to go based on the phase of the moon and the month it was uploaded to find the date it was filmed. I would eyeball that to be about 40% illuminated, though because it's so bright it's hard to say which features are illuminated and therefore whether it's waxing or waning. So let's find more detailed info on where and when this cruise occurred, shall we?
[link to www.youtube.com]
" Stephanie MacDonald 3 years ago

It was the Norwegian Jewel. Charter Cruise by Sixthman. Ships and Dip V (Barenaked Ladies)"

Much better. A quick search for that turns up this:

[link to boards.cruisecritic.com]
"The Norwegian Jewel will host Barenaked Ladies annual Ships and Dip cruise February 1-6, 2009."

There we go! According to my spreadsheet ( Thread: Calculating the Position and Orientation of the Moon ), the moon was 40% full at about 1:20 UT on February 2nd, 2009 which would be at 8:20 at night on February 1st by Florida time. From this video we can see they departed from Miami on February 1st:
[link to www.youtube.com]

We can see that February 2nd was a "day at sea" between Miami and Cozumel:
[link to www.suebeedesigns.com]

Makes perfect sense; days spent at sea typically involve parties on the deck at night, and it was their first night out at sea on February 1st. They probably weren't too far from Miami at that point, I'm going to guess somewhere near the Keys, 24.5N 81W. According to my previously mentioned spreadsheet the moon was highly tilted from those coordinates all night, reaching 90 degrees tilt exactly at 11:03pm eastern time. Even as early as 9pm it was 82 degrees tilted from vertical, by 10pm it was nearly 86 degrees tilted, and again at 11:03 it peaked at 90 degrees tilt. So yes, this video is confirmed by calculations showing where the moon SHOULD be and how tilted it SHOULD look relative to the horizon.

Damn I'm good.
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I saw the moon like that a few months ago in Michigan.
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lunatic

The word derives from lunaticus meaning "of the moon" or "moonstruck".

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it looks like this in Melbourne and Sydney...
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Prove it.
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it looks like this in Melbourne and Sydney...
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You can enter coordinates for Melbourne and Sydney into the spreadsheet using negative for southern latitude and either use west longitude or alternative enter east longitude as a negative number. Remember to use universal time, not local time:

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I've seen the moon like this in ontario canada. My son pointed it out.
Is this normal?
He didn't seem to think it was.
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I've seen the moon like this in ontario canada. My son pointed it out.
Is this normal?
He didn't seem to think it was.
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I have seen a moon like this in ontario canada. Is that normal?
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Take a picture and compare to the spreadsheet. You can compare both the angle of the moon's orientation as seen here:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Or you can also do a long exposure and measure the moon's position:
[link to www.youtube.com]
The moon will look tilted to various degrees at various times in various locations, but measurements consistently show that it's normal (to an extent far beyond human or even telescopic vision).
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

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You provide hard, solid, documented facts to back up what you say and still the conspiritards still aren't happy and insist you are some kind of shill. I just don't get the level of stupidity and close mindedness to the truth that goes on with some people here. They won't accept anything that is 100% provable but they'll believe some lunatic with a youtube video claiming all kinds of nonsense with no facts to corroborate their claims.
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This sums up about 95% of the people here. I, too, applaud Dr. Astro for being as patience and persistent as he is. On more than one occasion I have tangled with some of the posters here, and the truth is they aren't dumb -- just badly misguided, and trapped by their delusions. I always appreciate Dr. Astro's threads as I know what he posts is factual.
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I've seen the moon like this in ontario canada. My son pointed it out.
Is this normal?
He didn't seem to think it was.
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I have seen a moon like this in ontario canada. Is that normal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 16121439


Take a picture and compare to the spreadsheet. You can compare both the angle of the moon's orientation as seen here:
[link to www.youtube.com]
Or you can also do a long exposure and measure the moon's position:
[link to www.youtube.com]
The moon will look tilted to various degrees at various times in various locations, but measurements consistently show that it's normal (to an extent far beyond human or even telescopic vision).
 Quoting: Dr. Astro

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Let me give a specific example. Here's a photo from Whitby, Ontario with EXIF data which will allow for a precise analysis:
[link to www.flickr.com]
The coordinates for Whitby, Ontario are 43.9032N 78.9428W so plug that into the sheet. Click the icons under "additional info" on the right hand panel of the page to see the exif data here:
[link to www.flickr.com]
Scroll down to where it says:
Date and Time (Original) 2009:12:20 20:18:30
Plug that into the time and date in the sheet after converting from local whitby time (eastern time) to UT - add 5 hours, making it 12/21 2009 at 01:18:30 UT.
Now we see that the moon was 17.64% full (rounds up to 18% as per the photo title) and the moon was 62.51 degrees tilted from vertical. Now use a program like GIMP (it's free) to measure the angle of the tilt. In this case it's 27.41 degrees from horizontal:
[link to img853.imageshack.us]
That equates to 62.59 degrees from vertical, within a few hundredths of a degree of the prediction and within the resolution of the image itself.
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well said astro....hey im man enough to give u props when u hit the nail; on the head...
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well said astro....hey im man enough to give u props when u hit the nail; on the head...
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Thanks!
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I've seen the moon like that a few times. Looked like a smiley face when I seen it.
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Yet again with you field rotation moon crap

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Also have seen the Cheshire cat smile of the moon.
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Me Too.

All this blathering on about field rotation does still not say anything to the obvious. Look at the video. Tilting...?

But it is a smile and in all my years have been seeing this more and more just lately. Not years ago and not even a few years ago but just lately.

I don't care to take the advice being offered. I don't are about his calculations and book deals.

The video clearly shows somthing strange. Otherwise if this was perfectly normal why was a video taken. Obviously others thought it was strange too.

Dazzle the young cause they don't know any better but those that have been on this planet longer KNOW somthing is up and wrong.
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+Karma, another great thread.

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