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fucking socialism in England

 
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fucking socialism in England
Here in England we have a government institution called the Job Centre where you claim unemployment benefit. Now you go here every 2 weeks, show them a list of jobs you've applied for and they give you money. But there's a catch.

The longer you stay on, the more you become their bitch. First they start inviting you to meetings with them, do a jobs search (they have no extra resources to finding a job than you do at home), these occur every month or so and they're annoying.

After a while, you get put onto a program called 'workfare' where you literally work 40 hour weeks for big chain outlets for your benefit. This works out at £1.70 per hour ($2.50) at tax payer expense. If you refuse to do this then they sanction you.

WTF. If a company needs someone, EMPLOY them you cunts.

Fucking socialists have done this.
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So.. you think the Tories are socialists. I guess you don't read much do you?
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03/13/2013 09:39 AM
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Re: fucking socialism in England
protip, the job centre is a private company paid for each person they get back into work. They are only paid if you take a job found directly through them though, you know, the ones with the number you have to call from within the job centre. They have no interest in actually helping you get a job you would be good at or enjoy; they are just trying to meet quotas.
As for the payment for placment scheme, yes the money sucks but I think that's the governments way of getting the long term unemployed to actually try find a job. Why work 40 hours a week for your dole when 25 hours a week in any other job would make you twice that then some.
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03/13/2013 09:40 AM
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i didnt think this was allowed anymore since lots of people protested and that girl won that case against the government

it is essentially slave labour and if you look youll see that it was mostly huge companies who were getting in on the act (as if they havent got enough money already), although most of them pulled out once it became public and they realised that people disagreed with it and that their profits might be effected, therefore negating any benefits of the slave labour programme they had signed up to.
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So.. you think the Tories are socialists. I guess you don't read much do you?
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Anyone who wants big government and control over peoples lives are socialistards. Oh wait.. you think the CONservatives are really Libertarian? Fucktard, look what's going on in the country.
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03/13/2013 09:42 AM
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i didnt think this was allowed anymore since lots of people protested and that girl won that case against the government

it is essentially slave labour and if you look youll see that it was mostly huge companies who were getting in on the act (as if they havent got enough money already), although most of them pulled out once it became public and they realised that people disagreed with it and that their profits might be effected, therefore negating any benefits of the slave labour programme they had signed up to.
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id like to be able to name and shame the companies who were involved, but the only one i can remember is tescos. im sure you can find the rest somewhere online though.
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03/13/2013 09:51 AM
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this is a 1:1 copy of the new german 'Arbeitslosengeld II' which was introduced in 2005

Jobcenter, sanctions, same shit damned

The Hartz IV reform was voted in by the Bundestag on December 16, 2003 and by the Bundesrat on July 9, 2004; taking effect by January 1, 2005. This part of the reform brought together the former unemployment benefits for long term unemployed ('Arbeitslosenhilfe') and the welfare benefits ('Sozialhilfe'), leaving them both at approximately the lower level of the former 'Sozialhilfe'. The current (September 2009) level for a single person is €374 per month (known as the Regelsatz, raised to €382 per month beginning 2013[1]) plus the cost of 'adequate' housing and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner including their children.

Prior to 2005, between 12 and 36 months (depending upon the claimant's age and work history) of their full unemployment benefit (60 to 67% of the previous net salary) were followed by Arbeitslosenhilfe (unemployment assistance, 53 to 57% of the last net salary). Since 2008, eligibility for the full unemployment benefit (renamed Arbeitslosengeld in 2005 and commonly referred to as Arbeitslosengeld I in everyday German to contrast it with the lower benefits discussed below), has been restricted to 12 months in general, 15 months for those aged 50 or older, 18 months for those 55 or older and 24 months for those 58 or older. This is now followed by (usually much lower) Arbeitslosengeld II (Hartz IV) benefits if the claimant meets the requirements (see next paragraph).
 Quoting: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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03/13/2013 09:55 AM
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this is a 1:1 copy of the new german 'Arbeitslosengeld II' which was introduced in 2005

Jobcenter, sanctions, same shit damned

The Hartz IV reform was voted in by the Bundestag on December 16, 2003 and by the Bundesrat on July 9, 2004; taking effect by January 1, 2005. This part of the reform brought together the former unemployment benefits for long term unemployed ('Arbeitslosenhilfe') and the welfare benefits ('Sozialhilfe'), leaving them both at approximately the lower level of the former 'Sozialhilfe'. The current (September 2009) level for a single person is €374 per month (known as the Regelsatz, raised to €382 per month beginning 2013[1]) plus the cost of 'adequate' housing and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner including their children.

Prior to 2005, between 12 and 36 months (depending upon the claimant's age and work history) of their full unemployment benefit (60 to 67% of the previous net salary) were followed by Arbeitslosenhilfe (unemployment assistance, 53 to 57% of the last net salary). Since 2008, eligibility for the full unemployment benefit (renamed Arbeitslosengeld in 2005 and commonly referred to as Arbeitslosengeld I in everyday German to contrast it with the lower benefits discussed below), has been restricted to 12 months in general, 15 months for those aged 50 or older, 18 months for those 55 or older and 24 months for those 58 or older. This is now followed by (usually much lower) Arbeitslosengeld II (Hartz IV) benefits if the claimant meets the requirements (see next paragraph).
 Quoting: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

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correct me if i'm wrong, although it seems similiar rant
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03/13/2013 09:57 AM
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nevermind me i said some unrelated stupid shit sorry rant
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Re: fucking socialism in England
Here in England we have a government institution called the Job Centre where you claim unemployment benefit. Now you go here every 2 weeks, show them a list of jobs you've applied for and they give you money. But there's a catch.

The longer you stay on, the more you become their bitch. First they start inviting you to meetings with them, do a jobs search (they have no extra resources to finding a job than you do at home), these occur every month or so and they're annoying.

After a while, you get put onto a program called 'workfare' where you literally work 40 hour weeks for big chain outlets for your benefit. This works out at £1.70 per hour ($2.50) at tax payer expense. If you refuse to do this then they sanction you.

WTF. If a company needs someone, EMPLOY them you cunts.

Fucking socialists have done this.
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03/13/2013 09:58 AM
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Re: fucking socialism in England
this is a 1:1 copy of the new german 'Arbeitslosengeld II' which was introduced in 2005

Jobcenter, sanctions, same shit damned

The Hartz IV reform was voted in by the Bundestag on December 16, 2003 and by the Bundesrat on July 9, 2004; taking effect by January 1, 2005. This part of the reform brought together the former unemployment benefits for long term unemployed ('Arbeitslosenhilfe') and the welfare benefits ('Sozialhilfe'), leaving them both at approximately the lower level of the former 'Sozialhilfe'. The current (September 2009) level for a single person is €374 per month (known as the Regelsatz, raised to €382 per month beginning 2013[1]) plus the cost of 'adequate' housing and health care. Couples can receive benefits for each partner including their children.

Prior to 2005, between 12 and 36 months (depending upon the claimant's age and work history) of their full unemployment benefit (60 to 67% of the previous net salary) were followed by Arbeitslosenhilfe (unemployment assistance, 53 to 57% of the last net salary). Since 2008, eligibility for the full unemployment benefit (renamed Arbeitslosengeld in 2005 and commonly referred to as Arbeitslosengeld I in everyday German to contrast it with the lower benefits discussed below), has been restricted to 12 months in general, 15 months for those aged 50 or older, 18 months for those 55 or older and 24 months for those 58 or older. This is now followed by (usually much lower) Arbeitslosengeld II (Hartz IV) benefits if the claimant meets the requirements (see next paragraph).
 Quoting: [link to en.wikipedia.org]

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36089752


correct me if i'm wrong, although it seems similiar rant
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36089752


it looks basically like the same thing. the longer you are out of work, the more they can legally treat you like a piece of shit and make you jump through hoops to get your measly little bit of money to survive on.

meanwhile corrupt MPs exploit the expenses system with impunity and use tax payers money to buy thousands of pounds of luxuries! 5a
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03/13/2013 10:00 AM
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Re: fucking socialism in England
So.. you think the Tories are socialists. I guess you don't read much do you?
 Quoting: Doobie


The tories are now social democrats. The actual tories are now UKIP.

We basically have three europhile parties and UKIP.
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03/13/2013 10:04 AM
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Re: fucking socialism in England
So.. you think the Tories are socialists. I guess you don't read much do you?
 Quoting: Doobie


Anyone who wants big government and control over peoples lives are socialistards. Oh wait.. you think the CONservatives are really Libertarian? Fucktard, look what's going on in the country.
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No comprehension of the uk political system op,, have you.
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Re: fucking socialism in England
So.. you think the Tories are socialists. I guess you don't read much do you?
 Quoting: Doobie


The tories are now social democrats. The actual tories are now UKIP.

We basically have three europhile parties and UKIP.
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UKIP, FTW!

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03/31/2013 05:30 AM
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Re: fucking socialism in England
i didnt think this was allowed anymore since lots of people protested and that girl won that case against the government

it is essentially slave labour and if you look youll see that it was mostly huge companies who were getting in on the act (as if they havent got enough money already), although most of them pulled out once it became public and they realised that people disagreed with it and that their profits might be effected, therefore negating any benefits of the slave labour programme they had signed up to.
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girl won that case against the government ???

Any more info please
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Re: fucking socialism in England
I've actually read about this workfare and it's pretty fucking screwed up. You basically get the small piddling amount of jobs seekers allowance (and I mean small) you normally do and are forced to do a 40-hour job week at some chain-store, who gets your labour FOR FREE. You're also likely to get a job far away from home, so a substantial amount of your food/rent money is spent on public transport. It's "supposedly" meant to train you up for a proper job there, but they just throw you away after your term and get the next lot of work farers in. These companies actually hire less proper job seekers because they know they're getting free workfare people. It's so screwed up the first time I heard about it I got really angry.

So basically, you get next to nothing anyway, then you get put on a scheme that takes away all your time and energy, wastes your money on travel expenses, and robs you of opportunities to get a real job THAT ACTUALLY PAYS. Probably one of the reasons so many people (that REALLY are ill) are failing their disability allowances, so they get put on JSA and are forced to do workfare. And this will always be abused by the chain stores and other stores because well, free workers...? Better profits/bottom line? Which store wouldn't jump at that?

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