No Peter the Roman?????? New Pope Jorge MArio Bergoglio

There is nothing in the Prophecy of Popes related to Peter the Roman that says anything about the "end of the world" and so therefore Peter the Roman does not fit in with things like Y2k or the Mayan Calender.

The List, only describes how Petrus Romanus will preside over the Church during a period of great troubles for the Church when the City of Seven Hills is destroyed.

The City of Seven Hills could be any number of cities from Rome, to Istanbul, to many others...

It says nothing about the world itself coming to an end, only that the church will see a period of great troubles and a great city would be destroyed.

Perhaps the prophecy's final pope's name Peter, which is true of all popes, was purposefully given that way. Who would elect a man even remotely connected to "Peter the Roman". For instance, when Ratzinger was chosen, nothing about him tied back to "olives"; that is, until he chose Benedict as his name. With all of the prophecies coming true up until Benedict, do you think the conclave was in any mood to select someone tied to Malachy's prophecy on the last pope!?!? Well they did not stop the prophecy from coming true last time. We shall see about pope Francis.

He is not Roman.

He was born in Argentina.

That makes him Latino by birth, regardless of where his parents are from.

I still think there is a space of time before the tribulation begins. Could be wrong though.

Ok. I did a qick translation, But I didn't see any referrence to his name being 'Peter' but only that his father was an italian immigrant???? Did I miss sonething in this article???

No it makes him fucking Roman you damned idiot.

For instance in Breaking Bad Gustav was from Argentina, he also happens to be of African decent, when Walter described him he didn't say Latino he said a black man.

Another example for your idiocy.

A person of Japanese decent born in Mexico isn't Latino they are fucking Nihonjin and Mexican, not fucking Latino.

Please kill yourself and save the world's Gene Pool some trouble.

Just Curious. Since he is a Jesuit, and high up in leadership, Does anyone know if they give or take on different names with in theses societal orders?

According to his Wiki page...

He was to be elected during the previous Conclave, that elected Ratzinger...

But he reportedly cried out "Not me! Elect him!" .. which then resulted in Ratzinger being elected.

Based on this, I would say that Ratzinger was then a "show in" to delay the "list"...

Take a close look at Pope Francis I's coat of arms, and one would see what appears to be a bunch of Olive's on it.

Therefore I would propose that Ratzinger was one of the "anti-popes" on the list, and therefore Pope Francis is the true second to last Pope.... His papacy will be the "glory of the olive" that the list claims comes before Peter the Roman!

I meant to say .. Ratzinger was a "shoe-in" ...

That is NOT true. First what you say is a localized administrative decision which **differ** from one country to the other (i.e., some countries will NOT recognize a new born child as one of theirs just by being born there). Second ... you can be born anywhere and you are still a Jew if your mother is Jew.

Enough said.

Lastly, St Malachy prophecy is a bit unclear whether "Peter the Roman" follows chronologically right after Pope Benedict.

italian-surnames:

BERGO
BERGOGLIO
BERGOLI
BERGOLO
BERGOMI
BERGONZI
BERGONZINI
BERGONZONI

Originary from the Germanic word "berg"(monte) meaning mountain (or rock)

--------------->Peter the rock

GeOrGe MArio berGOGlio.. G O G e M A G O G...

Thats a fictional TV show you damned idiot...

Not real life.

If your parents are Italian, but you're born in American... you're an American Citizen, and therefore an American.

Not an Italian.

He was born in Argentina, and is therefore an Argentinian.... Latino by birth because he was born in Latin America.

You could get your point across without tearing that person down...
If Tribulation is underway, its well-deserved. :(

Precisely why I said Ratzinger/Benedict was a "shoe-in"...

Bergoglio's Wiki page says he was in a very close tie with Ratzinger in the previous Conclave, and it would seem it likely would have won, except that he cried out "NOT ME!"

So they elected Ratzinger instead.

Bergoglio's coat of arms has what looks like a bunch of olives on it, it could be a bunch of grapes, but still...

It would seem they wanted him elected last time, and he refused to accept it then.... so Ratzinger was elected, and therefore Ratzinger/Benedict became one of the anti-popes on the list.

What do you think of Tarcisio Bertone Petrus Romanus being the Black Pope head of the Jesuits. And when will the black pope be elected?

What do you think of Evasio Peitro Tarcisio Bertonea,k,a, Petrus Romanus being the Black Pope head of the Jesuits. And when will the black pope be elected?

That is a matter of perspective.

My mothers family is from Sweden.

My father's Family is from Scotland.

But I do not identify myself with either of those Countries.

I am not a Swiss American. I am not a Scot-American...

I am an American.

I am a proud citizen of The United States of America, and I owe NO allegiance to ANY other country but my own!

The new Pope is Italian and he's the Bishop of Rome, occupying the Seat of Peter, Petrus Romanus is accurate. If he had not been Italian, maybe you'd have something.

His parents were from Turin, Italy, not Rome.
Also, "black man" is his race not his Nationality. If both of your parents are from Europe but they immigrate to America and have children does this make them American or European? They are American citizens with European descent or ancestry, but they are AMERICAN. Quoting a fictional Tv show to prove your theory is moronic.

the ethnonym Hispanic or Latino to refer to "a person of Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, South or Central American, or other Spanish culture or origin regardless of race."[13] The Census Bureau also explains that "[o]rigin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s ancestors before their arrival in the United States. People who identify their origin as Hispanic, Latino, or Spanish may be of any race."[14] The AP Stylebook's recommended usage of Latino includes not only persons of Spanish-speaking ancestry, but also more generally includes persons "from -- or whose ancestors were from -- . . . Latin America, including Brazilians."
Please get an education angry one.

Folks,

I would not take "Petrus Romanus" ad-literam in terms of Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio's citizenship or genealogy records (although he does have "latin/roman" blood due to his father so the fact he was born in Argentina, is meaningless). Prophecies are much more subtle than that. Even St Malachy's previous popes' tags were not that "obvious".

Let's wait and see what his deeds will be.

Pope and Beans

Pope and Beans

Amazingly, the new Pope fulfills the ancient prophecy from Malachi about the Popes. Malachi said this Pope would be named "Petrus Romanus". Well, his name is Bergoglio. That breaks down into Berg - Oglio.

"Berg" is old English for Mountain, and mountains are stone or rock, and rock translates directly as "Petrus". And there is a Oglio River in Italy, and Italy = Rome.

So Berg-Oglio translates directly as stone-italy, or as rock-rome, or as Petrus Romanus, or as Peter of Rome.

No offense but I think this is a bit of a stretch. We should not look into various languages trying to find some "match".

"Petrus Romanus" is in fact a strange association ... Peter the apostle was Jew. Nothing to do with Romans (by the way, Roman Empire's language was **Latin** - now consider **Latin** America - does that ring a bell ???). So back to
"Petrus Romanus". How can we marry those two words that basically have nothing in common if we link Petrus with "Peter" the apostle ?

Somehow I doubt that this puzzle is so obvious. Or that it can be solved at this time.

Someone give me some feedback on this idea. I understand that prophecies of any sort are held to a degree of ambiguity but are still interesting nonetheless. I would first like to examine what 'Peter the Roman' is being referred to. If St. Malachy was on to something here maybe uncovering some deeper symbolism is required.

1) Peter was not Roman. He was born in Bethsaida, Gaulanitis, Syria around 1 BC. although the region was occupied by Rome.

2) Was born Simeon but given the name peter.

3) died in Rome around AD 67

The disciple Peter was crucified by the Romans upside down because he felt unworthy to die as Christ did. At the end of the book of John , Jesus asks Peter several times if he loves him and asks peter to 'feed my sheep' John 21 vs 18-19 says "Very truely i tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go. 19 Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him ' follow me!'"

The saint malachy prophecy of the popes says that, "Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End"

Therefore, I wonder if 'Peter the Roman' will in many ways act like Peter, but will be fully 'romanized' in the ways of the catholic church and typify the attributes of Peter. I find it interesting too that new pope is born in argentina ( the new world) and is now head of the global catholic church.

Interestingly nateG ...

Question is, what exactly in the behavior or actions of Peter the apostle was so peculiar that we can definitely contrast and equates with any actions/decision the current Pope will take ? In other words, what actions/decision/behavior will make someone "Peter" ?

Its not a stretch. European names are related. Have a look at this webpage about italian surnames:

[link to www.italyworldclub.com]

"BERGO, BERGONZI : Originary from the Germanic word "berg"(monte) meaning mountain"