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No Peter the Roman?????? New Pope Jorge MArio Bergoglio

 
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Its not a stretch. European names are related. Have a look at this webpage about italian surnames:

[link to www.italyworldclub.com]

"BERGO, BERGONZI : Originary from the Germanic word "berg"(monte) meaning mountain"
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peter the roman is naff all to do with the original peter apart from a canny alpha omega play on words of the first Peter.
we are talking Petrus Romanus, the future or now present Pope.
I say he fits it easy.
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Amazingly, the new Pope fulfills the ancient prophecy from Malachi about the Popes. Malachi said this Pope would be named "Petrus Romanus". Well, his name is Bergoglio. That breaks down into Berg - Oglio.

"Berg" is old English for Mountain, and mountains are stone or rock, and rock translates directly as "Petrus". And there is a Oglio River in Italy, and Italy = Rome.

So Berg-Oglio translates directly as stone-italy, or as rock-rome, or as Petrus Romanus, or as Peter of Rome.
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No offense but I think this is a bit of a stretch. We should not look into various languages trying to find some "match".

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Um, "berg" means "mountain" in old english, dutch, norse, icelandic, Proto-Germanic, and Indo-European. It's not a stretch, its just something you didn't know before.

And Oglio is a river in Italy, pointing us to Rome.

So we have the new Pope's name meaning rock-rome.

No stretch at all. That IS what it means.
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Amazingly, the new Pope fulfills the ancient prophecy from Malachi about the Popes. Malachi said this Pope would be named "Petrus Romanus". Well, his name is Bergoglio. That breaks down into Berg - Oglio.

"Berg" is old English for Mountain, and mountains are stone or rock, and rock translates directly as "Petrus". And there is a Oglio River in Italy, and Italy = Rome.

So Berg-Oglio translates directly as stone-italy, or as rock-rome, or as Petrus Romanus, or as Peter of Rome.
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No offense but I think this is a bit of a stretch. We should not look into various languages trying to find some "match".

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Um, "berg" means "mountain" in old english, dutch, norse, icelandic, Proto-Germanic, and Indo-European. It's not a stretch, its just something you didn't know before.

And Oglio is a river in Italy, pointing us to Rome.

So we have the new Pope's name meaning rock-rome.

No stretch at all. That IS what it means.
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Bergoglio is an italian name. The name itself points to rome. His surname is both rock (peter the rock) and italy (rome) in One...
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This is all about brainstorming and sharing ideas. thanks for the reply Anonymous Coward!

First of all As we can agree the malachy prophecy of popes does not reveal the popes name or identity but rather some form of descriptive narration, For example pope john paul II was known as 'From the labour of the sun / Of the eclipse of the sun." Pope Benedict XVI "the glory of the olives"

Peter holds a monumental significance in the catholic church. MT 16:18 "And I tell you that you are Peter,[a] and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it."

This verse is at the core of the catholic church by placing Peter as the first pope. The last pope being a 'type of peter' would make the most sense "Peter the Roman" and as i established. This seems to be a bit of a oxymoron. Possibly indicating that the original church has been hijacked or transformed from its original identity ie. "romanized'
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His parents were from Turin, not ROME.
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petrus romanus = asteroid vatican
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The first popes name was peter thus the prophecy is maybe equating. the last pope to the first ie peter. and he is roman (italian)
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He is not Roman.

He was born in Argentina.

That makes him Latino by birth, regardless of where his parents are from.
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putin
No it makes him fucking Roman you damned idiot.

For instance in Breaking Bad Gustav was from Argentina, he also happens to be of African decent, when Walter described him he didn't say Latino he said a black man.

Another example for your idiocy.

A person of Japanese decent born in Mexico isn't Latino they are fucking Nihonjin and Mexican, not fucking Latino.

Please kill yourself and save the world's Gene Pool some trouble.
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I just wanted to clarify something: Argentina's population is mostly of European origin, particularly Italian, Spanish and French. To be more precise, the CIA World Factbook says 97% of Argentina's population is Italian and Spanish. The majority of Argentines I know have European parents or grandparents. So if we call Bergoglio Italian,( or Roman if you wish) what happens to the rest of Argentines? Are they Italian or Spanish or what? My point is, if Bergolio is Italian for being a son of Italian immigrants in argentina, then all the other 97% of Argentines would be European too. And therefore, only 3% of Argentina's population would truly be Argentine... kinda ridiculous, no?
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Did anyone notice he said he is going to evangelize Rome?why wud anyone wana do that since it is already mostly catholic...unless he is Peter who originally evangelized the city of Rome.he mentioned Rome twice!
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Some people now think the Malachy prophecy failed, but I don't think so. You see God's wisdom is so great that he knew The Vatican knows all about this prophecy, there is even a best selling book out about it, that they would make sure to block any clue he gave, so he just called him by the generic name of Peter the Roman, because all the Popes consider themselves to be Peter the Roman. Thus they couldn't block it. All you needed to know was he was the last Pope.

He was born on Dec 17th 1936 1+9=10-3=7+6=13 He is 76yrs old 7+6=13 He entered society of jesus March 11th 1958 1+9=10-5=5+8=13 He was ordained into priesthood Dec 13th 1969 1+9=10-6=4+9=13 He is was ordained as a pope March 13th 2013 He is the 265th pope 2+6+5=13 He seems to have a lot of 13's to his person

Also the he came out of the curtain at 3:13est

The end of days is upon us!! It doesn't matter if he calls himself Peter, James, or John , , , , He can call his self Robert if he wants to lol , , , his name won't change anything lol. God bless!! Stay ready!! Stay strong!!
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Its not a stretch. European names are related. Have a look at this webpage about italian surnames:

[link to www.italyworldclub.com]

"BERGO, BERGONZI : Originary from the Germanic word "berg"(monte) meaning mountain"
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I beg to disagree and I would maintain my opinion. Read Malachy's prophecy again:

"In the last persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit Peter the Roman, [...]"

To me, this phrase clearly bears much more symbolism than a simple translation "mountain-river-in-Italy"
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My my no Peter the Roman???????????????
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His family are italian immigrants in Argentina, there goes your Roman part, then maybe this link will explain the Peter part....

[link to inagist.com]
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Take a close look at Pope Francis I's coat of arms, and one would see what appears to be a bunch of Olive's on it.

Therefore I would propose that Ratzinger was one of the "anti-popes" on the list, and therefore Pope Francis is the true second to last Pope.... His papacy will be the "glory of the olive" that the list claims comes before Peter the Roman!
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No dear those are grapes coz no olives ever ever grow like that!
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Checked on the Oglio river, and it's a river on the North of Italy. The name of the river comes from the Latin Olius, which means "olives". On the other hand, Berg means mountain in German, and the North of Italy is right next to Germany. There's probably some place in Italy called "Bergoglio", which must mean "the mount next to river Oglio", or "mount-olives".

This is where it gets interesting. Because two famous things happen in the Bible on the Mount of Olives: First, it's when Jesus talked about his second coming. And it's also when the most famous scene with Peter took place, when Jesus said: "Before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times".

This isn't exactly the same as being called "Peter the Roman", but it's sure intriguing...
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The prophecy never named each pope literally, it has always been a cryptic description of each pope; otherwise the former pope prophesied as glory of the olives should have been named Pope Glorius Olivus or something....
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Also the he came out of the curtain at 3:13est

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Why would ETS time be important? Why would it matter what time it was in US when the Pope came out. It clearly was evening in Rome, local time. 9.13 PM perhaps?
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And Oglio is a river in Italy, pointing us to Rome.

So we have the new Pope's name meaning rock-rome.

No stretch at all. That IS what it means.
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Oglio River is nowhere near Rome!

Maybe if his name was BergTiber...
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Remember that st.Malachy predictions are not scriptural prophecy. If the Bible said the pope in the year 2013 would be peter the roman, you could count on it as sure as you can count on the sun rising in the east (even more so). No need to be astonished or dismayed.
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Yeah, maybe he was not even a saint in the eyes of God , only the instituition have made him a saint, haha
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Is Pope Francis evoking the name of Francis Assisi or Francis Xavier? Francis Xavier was one of the founders of the Jesuit society, and a leader of inquisition.
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I knew a guy whose name was Francis Pope. His uncle's name was Peter. We were studying the Romanovs in history class when I met him.

I think this makes it obvious that Pope Francis is Peter the Roman.
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Is Pope Francis evoking the name of Francis Assisi or Francis Xavier? Francis Xavier was one of the founders of the Jesuit society, and a leader of inquisition.
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Cardinal Ratzinger was boss of the Inquisition.


"Before his papacy Cardinal Ratzinger spent 24 years as a senior figure in the Vatican, heading the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith - once known as the Holy Office of the Inquisition. It earned him the nickname "God's Rottweiler", and played to his passion for Catholic doctrine."

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
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anagram:

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FRANCIS I first Pope to wear the REAL CROSS since John PAUL I 1978.
FRANCIS I LAST words of FIRST SENTENCE as Pope: FINE DEL MONDO means END OF THE WORLD
Self-cooked "St Malachy Prophecy of the Popes" NOT fulfilled for the very last, "Peter the Roman".
3/22, scripted date for white smoke, NOT fulfilled.
CIA psy-op replies:
"Bergoglio finished 2nd in the last conclave. No surprise he was selected this time."

--> WRONG. The illuminati oonly revealed it ONE DAY befire the begin of the conclave.
What does it all mean?

ATTENTION - this is NOT a joke: search for John Paul I here:
Franz Ferdinand to Justin Bieber: ILLUMINATI End Times: Public executions : TYPOLOGY
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“Heaven and earth will pass away, by my words will not pass away. But about that day and hour no one knows, neither the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father”
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See this one. You will get an idea what has happened.

My beloved Pope Benedict XVI is the last true Pope on this earth.

Peter the Roman, is My Peter, the original apostle who will rule My Church from the Heavens under the command of My Eternal Father. Then, when I come to reign, at the Second Coming, he will rule over all of God’s children when all religions will become one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Prophetic Message given on April 12th, 2012 :
[link to www.thewarningsecondcoming.com]
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Now this makes sense if Francis is the false prophet pope from Revelation. He would not be the Vicar of Christ, then.

If Jesus transferred the keys of heaven back to the Father, and the Father gives them back to the first Pope, St. Peter, then St. Malachy's prophecy of Petrus Romanus (Peter the Roman) being the last TRUE pope would be fulfillment of the prophecy.

Antichrist and the false prophet persecute the true church it is written in Revelation. True believers would not be led or fed the Word of God by these men.

The prophecy would then make sense:

"Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End."
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Pope Jorge Mario Bergoglio - Peter The Roman

Peter The Roman - "Peter" = He is only the second pope ever from outside Europe. St. Peter is the first."
The above is the meaning of Peter. He's the Second Peter, In other words, like the Apostle Peter, he is the only other individual besides the Apostle Peter to be from outside Europe. Thus the association.

Peter The Roman - "The Roman"

About Pope Jorge Mario Bergoglio:

"As cardinal, Bergoglio was appointed to several administrative positions in the Roman Curia"

"Cardinal Bergoglio is the first Jesuit priest and first non-European chosen to be pope."

About the Jesuits:

"The members are called Jesuits and are also known colloquially as "God's Marines",[2] these being references to founder Ignatius of Loyola's military background and members' willingness to accept orders anywhere in the world and live in extreme conditions."

Note: military, extreme conditions (see prophecy below - many tribulations).

The Prophecy:
In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit. Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End.

Continuing about the Jesuits:
"Ignatius founded the society after being wounded in battle and experiencing a religious conversion. He composed the Spiritual Exercises to help others follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. In 1534, Ignatius and six other young men, including St. Francis Xavier and Bl. Pierre Favre, gathered and professed vows of poverty, chastity, and later obedience, including a special vow of obedience to the Pope. Rule 13 of Ignatius' Rules for Thinking with the Churchsaid: "That we may be altogether of the same mind and in conformity [...], if [the Church] shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black."

Spiritual Exercises (see above) - "if [the Church] shall have defined anything to be black which to our eyes appears to be white, we ought in like manner to pronounce it to be black."

ie. The black Pope

The headquarters of the society, its General Curia, is in Rome.[7] The historic curia of St Ignatius is now part of theCollegio del Gesù attached to the Church of the Gesù, the Jesuit Mother Church.

Headquarters in Rome

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All in all, Peter The Roman has come.
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March 13, 2013

3 13 2013

3 4 6 =13

3 + 1+ 3+2 +1 +3 = 13
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ORIGINAL APOSTLE PETER. There is no record of Apostle Peter ever being in Rome. Peter was the apostle to the Jews in Israel. The Vatican was red faced when Peter’s grave was found in Jerusalem on the Franciscan Monastery site called Dominus Flevit. Ooops. So much for the infallability of Rome's popes. <-- Notice Jorge took the name Francis (Fransciscus First). Whether that means anything remains to be seen.

I presently doubt this guy is the last pope. Reason concerns whether there's enough time. He's already 76 years old. The following is the most expedited timeframe Biblical prophecy can roll out in, e.g.:
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1-1-2014 – War of Gog & Magog with Arabs/Russia going after Israel (Ezekiel 38 & 39) begins and ends.

1-1-2014 – 6-30-2017 – Jews rebuild temple in Jerusalem and burn enemy weapons for fuel (1st 3 ½ of 7 years that Jews burn weapons).
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7-1-2017 – Tribulation begins (Israel & many others sign treaty with Antichrist, President of EU).

7-1-2017 - 12-31-20 – Jews in Israel burn weapons (2nd and last 3 1/2 yrs Jews burn weapons and 1st 3 1/2 years of 7-years Tribulation).
________________

12-31-2020 – Antichrist invades Jerusalem (mid-way point between 7-year Tribulation). 2/3 Jews killed; God leads 1/3 Jews into wilderness where He protects them.

1-1-2021 – 6-30-2024 – last 3 ½ years of 7-year Tribulation, wrath of God pours down, Armageddon.

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Accordingly, with this extremely accelerated schedule (the least of days), Jorge, already being 76 years old (2013), would have to at least live to be 87 years old (2024) to be the False Prophet of Revelations.

This timeline is the least of days that could be numbered according to the prophecies should the War of Gog & Magog begin and end 1-1-2014. My present guess is Jorge will have to live well into his 90’s or 100’s to be the False Prophet of Revelations, and that is probably a very conservative guess. From our vantage point, it seems more improbable than probable right now.

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JORGE MARIO BERGOGLIO. The article at this URL does not say Jorge's original name was Peter.

[link to nieuwsupdates.com]

Translation:

Habemus papam - Reform-minded Latino elected Pope

Habemus papam - He has chosen, Jorge Mario Bergoglio, 76, is the new pope. Under the name Fransciscus First, the elderly Jesuit the thankless task for the battered vessel that the Church of Rome was in a safe waters to maneuver after numerous scandals. The reformist Latino, son of an Italian immigrant spoke during the balcony scene airy tone against the massive amount of Catholics.

The best man led a simple life and made himself hard in the fight against AIDS. In 2001, he kissed the feet of twelve AIDS patients, a unique moment because the disease as a punishment from God is seen by the church. With the election of Fransciscus comes a little recognition to the largely Catholic Latin American countries. At this historic moment in world history is the first man from a developing country as head of the largest church in the world chosen.
See how the world greets Bergoglio (RAI News24)

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Makes No Difference:

"ORIGINAL APOSTLE PETER. There is no record of Apostle Peter ever being in Rome. Peter was the apostle to the Jews in Israel. The Vatican was red faced when Peter’s grave was found in Jerusalem on the Franciscan Monastery site called Dominus Flevit. Ooops. So much for the infallability of Rome's popes."


Whether Peter ever went to Rome or not has no factor in it. Just the opposite. Peter the Apostle was NOT from Europe and in the 20 generations since Peter the Apostle no Pope has ever been selected from outside Europe, UNTIL NOW! In that sense the new Pope is very much the 2nd Peter, and therein is the association. Peter The Roman.

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