How is Pope Francis Peter the Roman?

His last name means Rock (Berg) of Oglio. Oglio is an important boundary (river) in ancient Rome.

Peter/Petrus means Rock.

Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means 'rock'), and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.

Very simply the new pope is Rock of Oglio (Rome) Peter The Roman.

That's right.

Berg = Peter
Oglio = Rome

Two things that people are not paying attention to here is that

1. Unlike all Malachy's other Popal predictions, this one and this one alone specifically said that it had to do with his NAME. All of Malachi's other predictions for the previous Popes had to do with those Popes' coat of arms, or background, or actions while in office, or stuff like that, but this final prediction revolved around his name.

2. Malachy did not say that this last Pope would be named "Peter the Roman". He identified him as Petrus Romanus, which translated becomes Peter Roman, not Peter THE Roman.

And Bergoglio's name translates directly as Peter Roman, because Berg means mountain (big stone, and Peter means stone) and Oglio means Italy.

Hi, I'd like to say that I'm kinda new here, but I've been following St. Malachy's prophecy as well as the election of the new Pope, and I've been reading what everyone's said and wow, your theories are pretty interesting. I'd like to put in my thoughts, if that's cool with you all. I've been aligning this with what Revelation 17:9-11 says.

9 “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. 10 They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. 11 The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.

The only thing that throws me off is verse 11 but what I've always known is that we can't just take prophecy at face value.

So yeah, I personally believe that Revelation has something to do with this. Especially because Pope Benedict was Pope for a little while and just resigned, and Pope Pius XI is the one who signed the Lateran Treaty which established the Vatican as a Sovereign State. The Pope runs the Vatican, that would make him a King right? And that was 8 Popes ago. Which would make Pope Francis I the 8th King in Revelation.

And just to add my view...I think it's funny that if he is the last Pope he's talking about taking things back to the beginning. Beginning. End. Yeah I'll shut up now.

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I've read the prophecies of the last 10 popes in the book 'Petrus Romanus' and there seems to be a connection with the symbols on the coat of arms each pope wears which are different with each pope. Study the coat of arms of Francis I. One of the things that stands out is a sword that's behind the shield and a little sword in the shield itself. Reminds me when Peter cut off the right ear of the high priest's servant with a sword in John 18:10. Is there a connection? I don't know but just wanted to throw it out there for others to contemplate. Here's a link to the coat of arms as someone else has linked it earlier in the thread:


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Jorge Bergoglio the new Pope was born in Buenos Aires, a child of Italian immigrants. Being of Italian descent he might actually fit the Prophecy of Roman after all. There is a connection to the name Peter as well. The new Pope is called Francis looks like he took the name after St. Francis Xavier. Xavier was a cofounder of the Society of Jesus/Jesuits. The new Pope is the first Jesuit pope. The other Cofounder of the Jesuits was Peter Faber. He was also the roommate and close friend of St. Francis Xavier at the University of Paris. With that kind of connection he could have very easily chosen the name Peter.

Also, there is one thing everyone here has forgotten about. Nostradamus said that if we know the future it can be altered!

good research. big reach on the conclusion.

he is made of good stuff. God will make good use of him, and whatever Malachi saw will be shown to us if we're meant to see it.

Wow. The amount of bad etymology, absurd "connections", and pure bullshit here is astonishing. Jorge is not Petre in Norwegian. Do any of you that are saying that actually speak Norwegian? Or know how to work a Norwegian-English dictionary. Jorge in Norwegian (Bokmal) is Georg. It's pretty easy to look up, even having only a small grasp of Norwegian. "Berg" means mountain, not rock. The fact that rocks are made of stone or that George means "worker of the earth" is a pretty flimsy connection. You are grasping at straws. And it's no wonder because the whole prophesy is a forgery, and has been condemned as such by the church. Any self-respecting Catholic would have paid attention when this was pointed out.

North Korea is going to false flag attack the US in the Korean Pennisula with a nuke that will kill Ray Mabus and lead the American people to believe that it was China. This will cause retaliation and ultimately a world nuclear war. After the dust settles a New World Order will rise in the form of a council that consists of all religious leaders. On this council Francis 1 will lead the majority of people. The Jesuit Pope will be controlled by the Jesuit General ( Black Pope ) and the Antichrist in turn takes global power. Jesuits are notorious for false flag attacks to give things a push.

Jesuits are notorious for false flag attacks to give things a push. North Korea is going to false flag attack the US in the Korean Pennisula with a nuke that will kill Ray Mabus and lead the American people to believe that it was China. This will cause retaliation and ultimately a world nuclear war. After the dust settles a New World Order will rise in the form of a council that consists of all religious leaders. On this council Francis 1 will lead the majority of people. The Jesuit Pope will be controlled by the Jesuit General ( Black Pope ) and the Antichrist in turn takes global power. This will lead to turmoil and persecution. The Messiah will come to lead the final crusade and for the first time since Adam and Eve the world will know peace.

The prophecy has been fulfilled.

Pope Francis was elected as the SPRITUAL leader of the Catholic Church, but since he is not from Europe, he is not the LEGAL person in charge of the church’s holdings. That position is held by the Camarlengo (holder of tangible assets / property owner). Upon a pope’s death, the Camarlengo takes temporary charge until a new pope is elected. Therefore the Camarlengo is legally, but not spiritually, still in charge. And who runs that?

Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone aka PETER THE ROMAN

The Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church (pl. Camerlenghi) (Italian for "Chamberlain", when referring to the Holy See; when referring to secular courts the word is "Ciambellano", pl. "Ciambellani") is an office of the Papal household.

See:
[link to www.newadvent.org] and [link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Camerlengo is the administrator of the property and revenues of the Holy See; his responsibilities formerly included the fiscal administration of the Patrimony of St. Peter. As regulated in the Apostolic Constitution Pastor Bonus, the Camerlengo is always a Cardinal, though this was not the case prior to the 15th century
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Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone, S.D.B. (born 2 December 1934) is an Italian prelate and a Vatican diplomat. A cardinal of the Catholic Church, he currently serves as Camerlengo, having previously served as Archbishop of Vercelli from 1991 to 1995, as Secretary of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, when Cardinal Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI, was Prefect, and Archbishop of Genoa from 2002 to 2006. Bertone was elevated to the cardinalate in 2003. On 10 May 2008, he was named Cardinal-Bishop of Frascati.
Cardinal Bertone served as Cardinal Secretary of State since September 2006 until 28 February 2013, as the heads of most dicasteries resign upon the vacancy of the Holy See. As Cardinal Camerlengo, following Benedict XVI's resignation on 28 February 2013 and until the election of Pope Francis, he served temporarily as the administrator of the Holy See and acting head of state of the Vatican City State. He was considered a contender to succeed Pope Benedict XVI, who resigned on 28 February 2013.[1]

you just making that up? i see you have nothing that backs that up.

Pure speculation but possible.

St Fransis middle name was PETER

The Final Pope is to be of Italian descent. Which he is.
The final Pope would reaffirm the Roman Pontiff over the church and emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the roman catholic church above all religions and denominations and his authority over all Christians and peoples of the world.
The Jesuits were formed to wage war on the Protestant movement and preserve communion with Rome and the successor of Peter.
When this pope came out they said. He is your father, He is Peter and He will carry your prayers to God.

pope francis isn't st francis, though
and piedmont isn't rome
and he wasn't born in italy, anyway, despite your use of caps lock

Here is the oath the Pope took.

The Extreme Oath of the Jesuits
"I, ..........., now, in the presence of Almighty God, the Blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the holy Apostles St. Peter and St. Paul and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the Superior General of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola in the Pontificate of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear, that his holiness the Pope is Christ's Vice-regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosing, given to his Holiness by my Savior, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation and that they may safely be destroyed."

"Therefore, to the utmost of my power I shall and will defend this doctrine of his Holiness' right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, and the now pretended authority and churches of England and Scotland, and branches of the same now established in Ireland and on the Continent of America and elsewhere; and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now renounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or state named Protestants or Liberals, or obedience to any of the laws, magistrates or officers."

"I do further declare that the doctrine of the churches of England and Scotland, of the Calvinists, Huguenots and others of the name Protestants or Liberals to be damnable and they themselves damned who will not forsake the same."

"I do further declare, that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of his Holiness' agents in any place wherever I shall be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, England, Ireland or America, or in any other Kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my uttermost to extirpate the heretical Protestants or Liberals' doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise."

"I do further promise and declare, that notwithstanding I am dispensed with, to assume my religion heretical, for the propaganda of the Mother Church's interest, to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they may entrust me and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstance whatever; but to execute all that shall be proposed, given in charge or discovered unto me, by you, my ghostly father, or any of this sacred covenant."

"I do further promise and declare, that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the Militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ."

"That I may go to any part of the world withersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions of the North, the burning sands of the desert of Africa, or the jungles of India, to the centers of civilization of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America, without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things whatsoever communicated to me."

"I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when opportunity present, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Liberals, as I am directed to do, to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex or condition; and that I will hang, waste, boil, flay, strangle and bury alive these infamous heretics, rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women and crush their infants' heads against the walls, in order to annihilate forever their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly, I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity, or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agent of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Faith, of the Society of Jesus."



"In confirmation of which, I hereby dedicate my life, my soul and all my corporal powers, and with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood, in testimony thereof; and should I prove false or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the Militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulphur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever!"

"All of which, I, .........., do swear by the Blessed Trinity and blessed Sacraments, which I am now to receive, to perform and on my part to keep inviolable; and do call all the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness the blessed Sacrament of the Eucharist, and witness the same further with my name written and with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and sealed in the face of this holy covenant."

(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)

Superior:

"You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank."

"In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one cross his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the center of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the center of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges. The other answers Impious." (The meaning of which has already been explained.) "The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:-"

Question:- From whither do you come?

Answer:- The Holy faith.

Q.:- Whom do you serve?

A.:- The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.

Q.:- Who commands you?

A.:- The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.

Q.:- Who received you?

A.:- A venerable man in white hair.

Q.:- How?

A.:- With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.

Q.:- Did you take an oath?

A.:- I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, sex nor condition. To be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation of murmuring.

Q.:- Will you do that?

A.:- I will.

Q.:- How do you travel?

A.:- In the bark of Peter the fisherman.

Q.:- Whither do you travel?

A.:- To the four quarters of the globe.

Q.:- For what purpose?

A.:- To obey the orders of my general and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfill the conditions of my oaths.

Q.:- Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated."


If this doesnt fullfill the prophecy I dont know what does.
It said he will feed on the saints. Meaning wage war against the saints.

He's not. Just one more false prophecy from another false prophet. Carry on folks.

I think I can shed a little light on this one, because I know a little about it. Consider this regarding St. "Francis," who had "a vision of Christ while [he] prayed in a grotto near Assisi; an experience of poverty during a pilgrimage to Rome, where, in rags, he mingled with the beggars before St. Peter’s Basilica and begged alms; an incident in which he not only gave alms to a leper (he had always felt a deep repugnance for lepers) but also kissed his hand. Among such episodes, the most important, according to his disciple and first biographer, Thomas of Celano, occurred at the ruined chapel of San Damiano outside the gate of Assisi when Francis heard the crucifix above the altar command him: “Go, Francis, and repair my house which, as you see, is well-nigh in ruins.”"

[link to www.britannica.com]

Now consider the prophecy: "Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations, and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills [i.e. Rome] will be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge his people. The End."

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You see, Francis is a shepard, fulfilling the instruction to repair the House of God. End times may in fact be here my friends.

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Now I don't know how he can be Peter the Roman or even if he is Peter the Roman, but he still is the last pope.

now that there are two popes...how do we know we are looking into the right one?

maybe it done intentionally to throw you off the tracks...God nor Satan will make this easy.

As far as the prophecy from Nostradamus about the last pope being the "black pope", inside the Vatican the Jesuit priests are called the black priests, so he is the black pope.

Saying that having Italian parents fulfills the "Roman" prophecy is silly. Until very recently, just about all the popes were Italian. The expression "Is the Pope Italian" was a smart-alec way of saying "Yes, absolutely."

not evil. reference is to darkness vs. the light of understanding and knowledge in the form of truth. you have to see things in a spiritual aspect and not in the literal or the emotional aspect.

Reasoning mind, before making absurd connection, would ask how truthful is this peter the roman prophecy? Any proves this prophecy is accurate for all the previous popes, not some kind of absurd-trying-to-fit-the-data connection by the conspiracy infected minds?

Also, how can any of you be so sure he'll be the last pope?

Catholics teach that St. Peter was the first pope because he was handpicked by Jesus to lead His sheep and lambs. And that all popes follow in the footsteps or the tradition of St. Peter. In that interpretation, all popes can be called "like Peter" or "after the manner of Peter"... etc. Do you get it? OK. So the last pope would seek to pattern himself directly in line with the ministry of the original St. Peter. A man of the people, serving the sheep and lambs with humility and obligation and through love.

Rocks are made of stone?

So are mountains. Every mountain is stone, and there is not even one mountain anywhere on earth that is not made of stone. That's all mountains are, is stone.

Mountains are stone just as surely as oceans are water.

Mountain = stone, nitwit. Every been to the Rockies?

Bergoglio is Berg - Oglio, and berg-oglio is stone-italy, and stone-italy is Petrus Romanus.

The lines cross. Doom on. Clock is ticking.

Subject: Prophecies about the Last 10 Popes by a 12th century monk


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Malachy's final words:

In the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church there will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock among many tribulations; after which the seven-hilled city (Rome, the seat of the Vatican) will be destroyed and the dreadful Judge will judge the people.

It is striking that at least one pope had a similar mystical vision:

In 1909, while granting an audience, pope Pius X leaned back and closed his eyes. Suddenly he "awoke" and cried out: "What I see is terrifying. Will it be myself? Will it be my successor? What is certain is that the pope will quit Rome, and in leaving the Vatican, he will have to walk over the dead bodies of his priests."

[link to www.hogueprophecy.com]
Nul de l’Espaigne mais de l’antique France,
Ne sera esleu pour le tremblant nacelle,
A l’ennemy sera faicte fiance,
Qui dans son regne sera peste cruelle.

Not from Spain but from ancient France,
Will be elected for the trembling ship [the Bark of St. Peter],
He will make a promise to the enemy,
Who will cause great plague during his reign.

Pius's prophecy was fulfilled neither in his own time nor in that of the next pontiff. According to Malachy's vision of the Church's "tribulation," it applies to the successor of Gloria Olivae-the next pope but one.


Subject: Francis of Assisi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Francis of Assisi was one of seven children born to Pietro di Bernardone, a rich cloth merchant
FRANCIS (born) OF PETER
OF (ancient) France