According to the Bible god created the stars 6000-8000 years ago | |
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Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 08:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | just as valid as a theory as any. this is one reason why. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34023421 the modern scientific community can't even decide whether global warming is a thing or not and that's supposed to be happening right now; or not...no one is sure. That is irrelevant and your conclusion is not logical REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Hebrew writers clearly thought of seven 24 hour days when they they wrote their myth. This can be shown by the use of morning/evening in the account and several other including the celebration of the Sabbath "Six days do your work, but on the seventh day do not work, so that your ox and your donkey may rest, and so that the slave born in your household and the foreigner living among you may be refreshed. REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1534270 United States 03/15/2013 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It never says that. It says the earth was void. An E.L.E must have wiped everything out. This could very well be Earth 5.0 Earth was replenished around that time, perhaps but not created. Use a Greek concordinance when reading the bible. You have to sometimes. There are too many mis-translations. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21677687 United States 03/15/2013 08:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can twist the words to mean something else all you want. But it is clear that bible says that everything was created around the same time. There is no other explanation besides that of the bible clearly being wrong in its creation myth. What I find fascinating is that we have other creation myths from all around the world that allow for a universe that is billions of years old. I would be more inclined to take these accounts more seriously since they line up to what we understand to be undeniable fact. Bible believers however can scramble as much as they lime to transform the meaning of their holy book so that it fits a modern understanding of the cosmos, but it will always be a race to keep it relevant. Those who refuse to believe otherwise always say that science is now catching up to the what the bible stated such a long time ago. Which is a fun way to view it, but ultimately it is wrong. What is happening is that those who interpret its meaning have to keep going back to modify their statements in order for it to appear as if the bible had it right all along. Science doesn't have this issue. We can simply put out a theory, hoping that someone can prove it to be wrong in order to have a better understanding of the truth. Religion however doesn't need this system, it is all contained in one singular book that will inevitably have to keep transforming into something else in order to remain relevant. Eventually they'll realise they were wrong. When that will be, is anyone's guess. |
Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 08:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It never says that. It says the earth was void. An E.L.E must have wiped everything out. This could very well be Earth 5.0 Earth was replenished around that time, perhaps but not created. Use a Greek concordinance when reading the bible. You have to sometimes. There are too many mis-translations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534270 Evidence or this is just crackpot conjecture pure and simple. And you even contradict your own Bible which says: And on the fourth day God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 03/15/2013 08:30 AM REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 08:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The simple fact is that the light we measure the age of stars with, clearly shows us that stars are billions of years old. Which is in direct contradiction to what the bible tells us is the age of the universe and the earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21677687 You can twist the words to mean something else all you want. But it is clear that bible says that everything was created around the same time. There is no other explanation besides that of the bible clearly being wrong in its creation myth. What I find fascinating is that we have other creation myths from all around the world that allow for a universe that is billions of years old. I would be more inclined to take these accounts more seriously since they line up to what we understand to be undeniable fact. Bible believers however can scramble as much as they lime to transform the meaning of their holy book so that it fits a modern understanding of the cosmos, but it will always be a race to keep it relevant. Those who refuse to believe otherwise always say that science is now catching up to the what the bible stated such a long time ago. Which is a fun way to view it, but ultimately it is wrong. What is happening is that those who interpret its meaning have to keep going back to modify their statements in order for it to appear as if the bible had it right all along. Science doesn't have this issue. We can simply put out a theory, hoping that someone can prove it to be wrong in order to have a better understanding of the truth. Religion however doesn't need this system, it is all contained in one singular book that will inevitably have to keep transforming into something else in order to remain relevant. Eventually they'll realise they were wrong. When that will be, is anyone's guess. ^^Truth^ REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36154833 Japan 03/15/2013 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It never says that. It says the earth was void. An E.L.E must have wiped everything out. This could very well be Earth 5.0 Earth was replenished around that time, perhaps but not created. Use a Greek concordinance when reading the bible. You have to sometimes. There are too many mis-translations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534270 Evidence or this is just crackpot conjecture pure and simple. And you even contradict your own Bible which says: And on the fourth day God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. Do you read the original Epic of Gilgamesh ? [link to www.ancienttexts.org] I am sure there is a Translation Mistake because already the Sumerian People know a lot about the Space! |
Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 08:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How is this relevant I read the creation myth and understand what this "deity" did REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 08:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It never says that. It says the earth was void. An E.L.E must have wiped everything out. This could very well be Earth 5.0 Earth was replenished around that time, perhaps but not created. Use a Greek concordinance when reading the bible. You have to sometimes. There are too many mis-translations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534270 Evidence or this is just crackpot conjecture pure and simple. And you even contradict your own Bible which says: And on the fourth day God made two great lights--the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. Do you read the original Epic of Gilgamesh ? [link to www.ancienttexts.org] I am sure there is a Translation Mistake because already the Sumerian People know a lot about the Space! Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. This "God" can't keep msitakes out of his word but according to the Bible he made the earth stop rotating Last Edited by Aleph Tav on 03/15/2013 08:48 AM REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 36154833 Japan 03/15/2013 08:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah, sorry, i made a mistake, sumimasen o kudasai. I mean the "Enuma Elish" [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21043502 Philippines 03/15/2013 08:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But we know for a fact that even stars are millions of light years away and thus couldn't have been created at that time period. Quoting: Aleph Tav Discuss The Bible says no such thing and it is foolish to say that it does. The genealogies are not intended to be a means of telling time. They are not a calendar. Idiocy. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3096671 United States 03/15/2013 09:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You imply that time as we measure it is a constant. We created our measure of time to correspond to our passage through the universe as we follow and circle a star that lies on the outer leg of a galaxy that itself circles within a cluster and that circling a super cluster. Mankind limits itself to only what it can measure and conceive and that is so limiting and arrogant. |
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Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 09:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But we know for a fact that even stars are millions of light years away and thus couldn't have been created at that time period. Quoting: Aleph Tav Discuss The Bible says no such thing and it is foolish to say that it does. The genealogies are not intended to be a means of telling time. They are not a calendar. Idiocy. scripture and verse? REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
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Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But we know for a fact that even stars are millions of light years away and thus couldn't have been created at that time period. Quoting: Aleph Tav Discuss The Bible says no such thing and it is foolish to say that it does. The genealogies are not intended to be a means of telling time. They are not a calendar. Idiocy. What evidence suggest that the genneologies should not be read as intended the duplicity of some apologist REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Aleph Tav (OP) User ID: 36205811 Bahamas 03/15/2013 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But we know for a fact that even stars are millions of light years away and thus couldn't have been created at that time period. Quoting: Aleph Tav Discuss The Bible says no such thing and it is foolish to say that it does. The genealogies are not intended to be a means of telling time. They are not a calendar. Idiocy. And Jesus geneology goes back to 2000 years ago are you saying that's wrong to REDEMPTION--"Is it a fact that Jesus Christ died for the sins of the world, and how is it proved? If a God, he could not die, and as a man he could not redeem." The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9, p. 85 |
Northman User ID: 1101610 Puerto Rico 03/15/2013 09:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The universe will create everything, including Gods. Gods will be able to modify and habitate planets with whatever life forms they choose, planets just like this one. Gods may be able to manipulate solar systems to develop habitable planets with populations to worship them. Gods will be able to create life itself and life forms of any nature they desire. Meanwhile there will still be natural evolution occurring throughout the eternal, infinite, space/time continuum. |