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Scientist confirms extinction event asteroid to hit earth | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23559912  United States03/17/2013 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can those be re-ran (so to speak) with an assumption that the orbital elements are using the sun as the center / reference point instead of the earth? Does that change anything. I.e. make it helio centric (is that the right term!) instead of earth centric? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23559912 Done on the conversion I mentioned, give me a few minutes to reboot into linux to check the result in ORSA. Forgive me if I don't render a whole new video about it though, takes forever on my machine. Aha, that is definitely what was apparently meant by those screwed up TLE's. That does produce an "asteroid" that gets close to earth. At its closest, 15,000 km from earth's center, or a little less than 9000 km from the surface. Still a miss and a fail, but a much closer miss. The date and time of the miss would be 9.755 days prior to the epoch of the elements, in other words, it would have already hit us yesterday if it were going to hit lol. So then does that mean they are two different orbital elements? The first one being a miss you said? When did it miss? And what about the second set of elements? Cause the poster wrote something like " t-9 days for the NEXT one? Did this thread just get interesting???!! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12506015 United States03/17/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All i can do once again is say i am sorry that i had to provide this bad news. Quoting: Raymond Brown 10917219 The tv broadcast will be mid day tomorrow Every station in the world will feature it Thank you and Please, take care Raymond It's midday here and NOTHIN. What do you get out of this silliness? You must be bored. I feel sorry for you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36316679 United States03/17/2013 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | His calculations are very wrong, and they are based on INCORECT DATA Quoting: Raymond Brown 10917219 NOBODY in the world was tracking this object until less than 2 weeks ago.... he gets his data from other sources ie internet forums or nasa websites which update every month. We will be providing the full data to the world on our live broadcast Rest assured i am a man of the people, a man of honour in my hometown and i would NOT lie about this Were you molested as a child by your uncle (or is it the friend of your uncle, or brother of your aunt, or workplace colleague of your neighbor?) who's feeding you your inside information? Tragic, absolutely tragic. |
Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator  User ID: 33360181 United States03/17/2013 10:40 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can those be re-ran (so to speak) with an assumption that the orbital elements are using the sun as the center / reference point instead of the earth? Does that change anything. I.e. make it helio centric (is that the right term!) instead of earth centric? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23559912 Done on the conversion I mentioned, give me a few minutes to reboot into linux to check the result in ORSA. Forgive me if I don't render a whole new video about it though, takes forever on my machine. Aha, that is definitely what was apparently meant by those screwed up TLE's. That does produce an "asteroid" that gets close to earth. At its closest, 15,000 km from earth's center, or a little less than 9000 km from the surface. Still a miss and a fail, but a much closer miss. The date and time of the miss would be 9.755 days prior to the epoch of the elements, in other words, it would have already hit us yesterday if it were going to hit lol. So then does that mean they are two different orbital elements? The first one being a miss you said? When did it miss? And what about the second set of elements? Cause the poster wrote something like " t-9 days for the NEXT one? Did this thread just get interesting???!! It missed yesterday. The second set can't be parsed, the epoch is too fucked up to the point of nonsensical. I wouldn't call it interesting, just that now I see what the hoaxer was trying to do. At least they tried to do something other than spit out random numbers into a TLE template (though the use of the TLE format to begin with demonstrates they don't know what they're doing), but they still failed to produce elements consistent with an earth impact, let alone an earth impact later this month. Last Edited by Astromut on 03/17/2013 10:42 AM  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12506015 United States03/17/2013 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Done on the conversion I mentioned, give me a few minutes to reboot into linux to check the result in ORSA. Forgive me if I don't render a whole new video about it though, takes forever on my machine. Aha, that is definitely what was apparently meant by those screwed up TLE's. That does produce an "asteroid" that gets close to earth. At its closest, 15,000 km from earth's center, or a little less than 9000 km from the surface. Still a miss and a fail, but a much closer miss. The date and time of the miss would be 9.755 days prior to the epoch of the elements, in other words, it would have already hit us yesterday if it were going to hit lol. So then does that mean they are two different orbital elements? The first one being a miss you said? When did it miss? And what about the second set of elements? Cause the poster wrote something like " t-9 days for the NEXT one? Did this thread just get interesting???!! It missed yesterday. The second set can't be parsed, the epoch is too fucked up to the point of nonsensical. I wouldn't call it interesting, just that now I see what the hoaxer was trying to do. At least they tried to do something other than spit out random numbers into a TLE template (though the use of the TLE format to begin with demonstrates they don't know what they're doing), but they still failed to produce elements consistent with an earth impact, let alone an earth impact later this month. A much more elaborate hoax than usual then, eh? Interesting. |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States03/17/2013 10:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Aha, that is definitely what was apparently meant by those screwed up TLE's. That does produce an "asteroid" that gets close to earth. At its closest, 15,000 km from earth's center, or a little less than 9000 km from the surface. Still a miss and a fail, but a much closer miss. The date and time of the miss would be 9.755 days prior to the epoch of the elements, in other words, it would have already hit us yesterday if it were going to hit lol. So then does that mean they are two different orbital elements? The first one being a miss you said? When did it miss? And what about the second set of elements? Cause the poster wrote something like " t-9 days for the NEXT one? Did this thread just get interesting???!! It missed yesterday. The second set can't be parsed, the epoch is too fucked up to the point of nonsensical. I wouldn't call it interesting, just that now I see what the hoaxer was trying to do. At least they tried to do something other than spit out random numbers into a TLE template (though the use of the TLE format to begin with demonstrates they don't know what they're doing), but they still failed to produce elements consistent with an earth impact, let alone an earth impact later this month. A much more elaborate hoax than usual then, eh? Interesting. Again, I wouldn't call it "elaborate." Not quite brain dead, but close. Elaborate would be a whole different ballgame. I can think of a couple ways to do an elaborate hoax of this nature, but I've never seen it done. Let's just say it's a good thing I use my "powers" for good, not evil. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23559912 United States03/17/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Done on the conversion I mentioned, give me a few minutes to reboot into linux to check the result in ORSA. Forgive me if I don't render a whole new video about it though, takes forever on my machine. Aha, that is definitely what was apparently meant by those screwed up TLE's. That does produce an "asteroid" that gets close to earth. At its closest, 15,000 km from earth's center, or a little less than 9000 km from the surface. Still a miss and a fail, but a much closer miss. The date and time of the miss would be 9.755 days prior to the epoch of the elements, in other words, it would have already hit us yesterday if it were going to hit lol. So then does that mean they are two different orbital elements? The first one being a miss you said? When did it miss? And what about the second set of elements? Cause the poster wrote something like " t-9 days for the NEXT one? Did this thread just get interesting???!! It missed yesterday. The second set can't be parsed, the epoch is too fucked up to the point of nonsensical. I wouldn't call it interesting, just that now I see what the hoaxer was trying to do. At least they tried to do something other than spit out random numbers into a TLE template (though the use of the TLE format to begin with demonstrates they don't know what they're doing), but they still failed to produce elements consistent with an earth impact, let alone an earth impact later this month. So was the second set any chance of a typo? Those elements look really frickin complex! Was he warning of one that just passed then warning about one the 25th? From the date of his post plus 9 days = Mar 25th  |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States03/17/2013 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro Aha, that is definitely what was apparently meant by those screwed up TLE's. That does produce an "asteroid" that gets close to earth. At its closest, 15,000 km from earth's center, or a little less than 9000 km from the surface. Still a miss and a fail, but a much closer miss. The date and time of the miss would be 9.755 days prior to the epoch of the elements, in other words, it would have already hit us yesterday if it were going to hit lol. So then does that mean they are two different orbital elements? The first one being a miss you said? When did it miss? And what about the second set of elements? Cause the poster wrote something like " t-9 days for the NEXT one? Did this thread just get interesting???!! It missed yesterday. The second set can't be parsed, the epoch is too fucked up to the point of nonsensical. I wouldn't call it interesting, just that now I see what the hoaxer was trying to do. At least they tried to do something other than spit out random numbers into a TLE template (though the use of the TLE format to begin with demonstrates they don't know what they're doing), but they still failed to produce elements consistent with an earth impact, let alone an earth impact later this month. So was the second set any chance of a typo? Those elements look really frickin complex! Was he warning of one that just passed then warning about one the 25th? From the date of his post plus 9 days = Mar 25th It's not just a simple typo like it was with the first one, the epoch of the elements is just completely screwed to the point of indecipherable. The elements were clearly put together by a moron who's unfamiliar with how to properly present asteroid orbits. They look complex because he used the tle format. Some of the numbers are clearly made up for the sake of simplicity in constructing an earth impacting orbit (or something close to it). Inclination and raan (or rather lan since it's actually heliocentric lol) in particular. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36355270  Venezuela03/17/2013 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36357344  Portugal03/17/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | All i can do once again is say i am sorry that i had to provide this bad news. Quoting: Raymond Brown 10917219 The tv broadcast will be mid day tomorrow Every station in the world will feature it Thank you and Please, take care Raymond When are you going to post that data you promised? haven u heard the black guys aka secret services took him his computer??? with all ther fuck this is to muchhhh |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States03/17/2013 11:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Sungaze_At_Dawn User ID: 35202296 Canada03/17/2013 11:19 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sounds like Bernard, eh. So, Bernard, why are you into writing up these silly threads? Stop carrying that burden, whatever it is: Bill Withers - Lean on me The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist. The state tries to convince everyone they cannot resist. Do not go quietly into the good night. Rage Rage against the dying light! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26969043 United States03/17/2013 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I have a dinghy and I put on all my hockey equipment and a gas mask, could I survive the impact? It would be really cool to see what my city looks like after being hit by some massive doom thing! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I'm with Hockey Dude. I'll ride the Curl on that Bitchin Super Wave of Doom in my dinghy. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35831118  Denmark03/17/2013 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23559912 United States03/17/2013 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Would he have given it in that format to throw TPTB off of his posting? i.e. they arent tooking for "TLE's" so he could post it without it being sniffed out? And was he "showing" one that JUST missed then saying that the next one was a hit? Thx for your work... But now I am more concerned! And sporting a doomy chubby! |
| Dr. Astro Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 33360181 United States03/17/2013 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Would he have given it in that format to throw TPTB off of his posting? i.e. they arent tooking for "TLE's" so he could post it without it being sniffed out? And was he "showing" one that JUST missed then saying that the next one was a hit? No. His second one is even more fucked up than the first, to the point it's not even something you can parse. You people keep missing the point. It's fake, the orbit is ridiculous, there is not a population of near earth asteroids that have aphelion distances between Uranus and Neptune with eccentricities just below 1. He constructed it to hit earth (and got close, but no cigar when taking into account things like relativity and the gravity of the planets) which is why he simplified things by setting inclination to an arbitrary and low value (0.005000 - yeah right .005000 exactly) and the longitude of ascending node to 0 exactly. It was a way of simplifying so all he'd have to worry about was a 2 dimensional situation. A real orbit determination would have some sort of real value there for the LAN, even if inclination were small (and the odds of inclination being that nice round number?). The second set given are even more ridiculous, an epoch of what exactly? It's so screwed up that it looks like it's saying January 1st 2000, in which case the epoch is hell and gone from the supposed impact date. But ok, you want me to run those numbers too with the assumption that I should parse it like it's some super-secret spy code, I'll do it. |
| Raymond Brown (OP) User ID: 10917219 United Kingdom03/17/2013 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We will know in the next hour if they have been succesfful. If not, an immediate television broadcast will be made |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36366888 Venezuela03/17/2013 11:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Would he have given it in that format to throw TPTB off of his posting? i.e. they arent tooking for "TLE's" so he could post it without it being sniffed out? And was he "showing" one that JUST missed then saying that the next one was a hit? No. His second one is even more fucked up than the first, to the point it's not even something you can parse. You people keep missing the point. It's fake, the orbit is ridiculous, there is not a population of near earth asteroids that have aphelion distances between Uranus and Neptune with eccentricities just below 1. He constructed it to hit earth (and got close, but no cigar when taking into account things like relativity and the gravity of the planets) which is why he simplified things by setting inclination to an arbitrary and low value (0.005000 - yeah right .005000 exactly) and the longitude of ascending node to 0 exactly. It was a way of simplifying so all he'd have to worry about was a 2 dimensional situation. A real orbit determination would have some sort of real value there for the LAN, even if inclination were small (and the odds of inclination being that nice round number?). The second set given are even more ridiculous, an epoch of what exactly? It's so screwed up that it looks like it's saying January 1st 2000, in which case the epoch is hell and gone from the supposed impact date. But ok, you want me to run those numbers too with the assumption that I should parse it like it's some super-secret spy code, I'll do it. So Mr.Astro are we officialy OFF DOOM then? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 28948108 United States03/17/2013 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay the reason we have waited before making the announcement is because we have at this very moment, a trained team in space ready to try and blow the object up. Quoting: Raymond Brown 10917219 We will know in the next hour if they have been succesfful. If not, an immediate television broadcast will be made I was wondering how you were going to manage to salvage this troll when the world didn't end. So tell me, just how far out is this "team" when astronauts have been no further than the moon? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36357344 Portugal03/17/2013 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay the reason we have waited before making the announcement is because we have at this very moment, a trained team in space ready to try and blow the object up. Quoting: Raymond Brown 10917219 We will know in the next hour if they have been succesfful. If not, an immediate television broadcast will be made ooohhhh fuck U Raymond fuck u triplets!!!! u are dizguizing, missguiding and joking with us the police should go on your back ive been beliving u till now why didntu mentioned this before? u gonna be jailed... if u continue with this do u know it? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23559912 United States03/17/2013 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Would he have given it in that format to throw TPTB off of his posting? i.e. they arent tooking for "TLE's" so he could post it without it being sniffed out? And was he "showing" one that JUST missed then saying that the next one was a hit? No. His second one is even more fucked up than the first, to the point it's not even something you can parse. You people keep missing the point. It's fake, the orbit is ridiculous, there is not a population of near earth asteroids that have aphelion distances between Uranus and Neptune with eccentricities just below 1. He constructed it to hit earth (and got close, but no cigar when taking into account things like relativity and the gravity of the planets) which is why he simplified things by setting inclination to an arbitrary and low value (0.005000 - yeah right .005000 exactly) and the longitude of ascending node to 0 exactly. It was a way of simplifying so all he'd have to worry about was a 2 dimensional situation. A real orbit determination would have some sort of real value there for the LAN, even if inclination were small (and the odds of inclination being that nice round number?). The second set given are even more ridiculous, an epoch of what exactly? It's so screwed up that it looks like it's saying January 1st 2000, in which case the epoch is hell and gone from the supposed impact date. But ok, you want me to run those numbers too with the assumption that I should parse it like it's some super-secret spy code, I'll do it. Ahhhh. So doom off then. Well at least it was fun for a while.  |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 36357344 Portugal03/17/2013 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| mclinking User ID: 35961410  France03/17/2013 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Would he have given it in that format to throw TPTB off of his posting? i.e. they arent tooking for "TLE's" so he could post it without it being sniffed out? And was he "showing" one that JUST missed then saying that the next one was a hit? No. His second one is even more fucked up than the first, to the point it's not even something you can parse. You people keep missing the point. It's fake, the orbit is ridiculous, there is not a population of near earth asteroids that have aphelion distances between Uranus and Neptune with eccentricities just below 1. He constructed it to hit earth (and got close, but no cigar when taking into account things like relativity and the gravity of the planets) which is why he simplified things by setting inclination to an arbitrary and low value (0.005000 - yeah right .005000 exactly) and the longitude of ascending node to 0 exactly. It was a way of simplifying so all he'd have to worry about was a 2 dimensional situation. A real orbit determination would have some sort of real value there for the LAN, even if inclination were small (and the odds of inclination being that nice round number?). The second set given are even more ridiculous, an epoch of what exactly? It's so screwed up that it looks like it's saying January 1st 2000, in which case the epoch is hell and gone from the supposed impact date. But ok, you want me to run those numbers too with the assumption that I should parse it like it's some super-secret spy code, I'll do it. I don't know why you keep debunking something that's already been debunked. Then you do a NEW thread and debunk this thread again. I think there's something the matter with you, namely that there's something the matter with you for not knowing there's something the matter with you. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 23559912 United States03/17/2013 11:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | WOW! Would he have given it in that format to throw TPTB off of his posting? i.e. they arent tooking for "TLE's" so he could post it without it being sniffed out? And was he "showing" one that JUST missed then saying that the next one was a hit? No. His second one is even more fucked up than the first, to the point it's not even something you can parse. You people keep missing the point. It's fake, the orbit is ridiculous, there is not a population of near earth asteroids that have aphelion distances between Uranus and Neptune with eccentricities just below 1. He constructed it to hit earth (and got close, but no cigar when taking into account things like relativity and the gravity of the planets) which is why he simplified things by setting inclination to an arbitrary and low value (0.005000 - yeah right .005000 exactly) and the longitude of ascending node to 0 exactly. It was a way of simplifying so all he'd have to worry about was a 2 dimensional situation. A real orbit determination would have some sort of real value there for the LAN, even if inclination were small (and the odds of inclination being that nice round number?). The second set given are even more ridiculous, an epoch of what exactly? It's so screwed up that it looks like it's saying January 1st 2000, in which case the epoch is hell and gone from the supposed impact date. But ok, you want me to run those numbers too with the assumption that I should parse it like it's some super-secret spy code, I'll do it. Just a thought.... What if the epoch was changed to the mar 25 date. Am I sort of understanding this right? Does that change anything? Is that how it works? |
| ~Andariel~ User ID: 32004531 Canada03/17/2013 12:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Okay the reason we have waited before making the announcement is because we have at this very moment, a trained team in space ready to try and blow the object up. Quoting: Raymond Brown 10917219 We will know in the next hour if they have been succesfful. If not, an immediate television broadcast will be made You sir, are pathetic to the point that I actually feel sorry for you. Astro why feed the troll? Why bother? It's time for this....  Space, the final frontier...or is it? Knowledge is power |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 35140855 United Kingdom03/17/2013 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something caused a universal time shift on Wednesday 13th March, something very extraordinary that must have a colossal mass to bend time. This could have been a super nova exploding or a black hole imploding, but the real problem is the shock wave that has yet to hit earth. My prediction is the wave will hit Tuesday over North America. Look for senates to be overseas on this day. [link to oi48.tinypic.com] |
