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Sandy Hook - How did Law Enforcement identify Lauren Rousseau?

 
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Were adult victims treated like the child victims, that is to say, were relatives shown a bunch of pictures from which to make an identification? Was everyone kept out of the school? How was the identification of Adam Lanza made?

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Were adult victims treated like the child victims, that is to say, were relatives shown a bunch of pictures from which to make an identification? Was everyone kept out of the school? How was the identification of Adam Lanza made?
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Since Bill Leukhardt, Rousseau's stepfather, was at the scene was he allowed in to identify her body?
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Were adult victims treated like the child victims, that is to say, were relatives shown a bunch of pictures from which to make an identification? Was everyone kept out of the school? How was the identification of Adam Lanza made?
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here is what Carver have said:
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]


i try to understand too...
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Were adult victims treated like the child victims, that is to say, were relatives shown a bunch of pictures from which to make an identification? Was everyone kept out of the school? How was the identification of Adam Lanza made?
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here is what Carver have said:
[link to www.globalresearch.ca]


i try to understand too...
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Thank you.

Incredibly, Carver suggested that positive identification is not an objective process, but part of the "up close and personal" grieving process. It simply is not acceptable to identify the dead with a photograph.
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Incredibly, Carver suggested that positive identification is not an objective process, but part of the "up close and personal" grieving process. It simply is not acceptable to identify the dead with a photograph.
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yes.. he seems to talk from relatives point of view.
Every relatives need to deal with the lost. and to see the dead body is one of the step. Like for the famous 5 psychologic step: deny, anger, bargain, depress and acceptance. Kubler Gross model. not really about the law or investigation point of view.

(as i understand what he has said.)
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Only a family member could make a positive I.D. but I would presume she had a purse on her and other personal effects including a driver's license? A family member had to have seen the pictures at some point but I don't recall anyone saying they did it. Anyone know?
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Incredibly, Carver suggested that positive identification is not an objective process, but part of the "up close and personal" grieving process. It simply is not acceptable to identify the dead with a photograph.
 Quoting: Phylax


yes.. he seems to talk from relatives point of view.
Every relatives need to deal with the lost. and to see the dead body is one of the step. Like for the famous 5 psychologic step: deny, anger, bargain, depress and acceptance. Kubler Gross model. not really about the law or investigation point of view.

(as i understand what he has said.)
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The State Medical Examiner is not a grief counselor and it is bizarre that he would approach the question of identification from that point of view.

When do you suppose the "authorities" passed around the pictures for the grieving parents to pick out their child? Did they do it in the "bad room" before the parents left the firehouse or did they bring to each home a stack of photos to pick from? Did they have photos of the children said to have died in the hospital or did they identify those on the basis of elimination?

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The State Medical Examiner is not a grief counselor and it is bizarre that he would approach the question of identification from that point of view.

When do you suppose the "authorities" passed around the pictures for the grieving parents to pick out their child? Did they do it in the "bad room" before the parents left the firehouse or did they bring to each home a stack of photos to pick from? Did they have photos of the children said to have died in the hospital or did they identify those on the basis of elimination?
 Quoting: Phylax


hey!
i didnt wanted to be Carver lawyer... i just try to understand what he had said.

it is well know that to see the dead body of your relative help you for in Kubler Gross step.

they dont need the family to identify a body.. there is fingerprint, dna.. of photos from family.

so he was answering for the family point of view.
they needed to see the dead body..so we showed them photoshoped photo.. to be more sweet with them.
= the truth is too horrible.

i dont know if you follow me.
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"How did Law Enforcement identify Lauren Rousseau?"
Drive License??

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"How did Law Enforcement identify Lauren Rousseau?"
Drive License??

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They are still supposed to have someone ID the body.
Yet according to the bf's tweets they were just hanging
out at her mom and stepdads all afternoon and evening,
until we read in another article by Leukhardt's Hartford Courant that they got the word she was a victim at 1am.

So the question remains valid, who ID'ed her and when?
Considering kids were allegedly named on some "roster" and parents informed at the school in the earl afternoon.

Of course, what this points to is that there were so many lies told that people just can't be expected to keep track of them all since so many people went off script ad libbing their lines.
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Re: Sandy Hook - How did Law Enforcement identify Lauren Rousseau?
How do we know that was really Lauren Rousseau's car?
Wasn't it determined the bullets could not have made those magic bullet angles of entry and exit and were too large to
be of the alleged calibre used?

For all we know, this vehicle was from impound. Or was just a staged vehicle. What other cars were hit?
How come they weren't ever shown and the owners named?

Why would Lauren's dad have the car back so soon before it had time for full forensic exam and measurements between it and the other cars?
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Incredibly, Carver suggested that positive identification is not an objective process, but part of the "up close and personal" grieving process. It simply is not acceptable to identify the dead with a photograph.
 Quoting: Phylax


yes.. he seems to talk from relatives point of view.
Every relatives need to deal with the lost. and to see the dead body is one of the step. Like for the famous 5 psychologic step: deny, anger, bargain, depress and acceptance. Kubler Gross model. not really about the law or investigation point of view.

(as i understand what he has said.)
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How do we know that was really Lauren Rousseau's car?
Wasn't it determined the bullets could not have made those magic bullet angles of entry and exit and were too large to
be of the alleged calibre used?

For all we know, this vehicle was from impound. Or was just a staged vehicle. What other cars were hit?
How come they weren't ever shown and the owners named?

Why would Lauren's dad have the car back so soon before it had time for full forensic exam and measurements between it and the other cars?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


These are great questions.

As for the identification, maybe that's why some family members were saying they were waiting at the firehouse until 1 am? I'm figuring that by process of elimination Malloy told them there were no more survivors coming out of the school at 3 pm but they had to wait til Carver and crew got there to take pics for positive ID.
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Re: Sandy Hook - How did Law Enforcement identify Lauren Rousseau?
How do we know that was really Lauren Rousseau's car?
Wasn't it determined the bullets could not have made those magic bullet angles of entry and exit and were too large to
be of the alleged calibre used?

For all we know, this vehicle was from impound. Or was just a staged vehicle. What other cars were hit?
How come they weren't ever shown and the owners named?

Why would Lauren's dad have the car back so soon before it had time for full forensic exam and measurements between it and the other cars?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1482838


These are great questions.

As for the identification, maybe that's why some family members were saying they were waiting at the firehouse until 1 am? I'm figuring that by process of elimination Malloy told them there were no more survivors coming out of the school at 3 pm but they had to wait til Carver and crew got there to take pics for positive ID.
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My post above ^^
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