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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
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THIS STATEMENT from the church who declares birth control a sin, sex outside of marriage as being adultery. Sex with anyone but your married spouse is (according to them) adultery. Gay sex is an "abomination" before GOD! And gays should be killed. But old men who have sex with little boys and girls who haven't even reached puberty yet - that okay because it's an "illness". Like a head cold??

Funny how the standards are so impossibly high for everyone else, and when it comes to a disease that affects millions upon millions of Catholic Priests throughout their lives - then it suddenly becomes an "illness" The stomach-turning hypocrisy and utter self-serving bullshit of that statement is beyond belief. WHAT THE HELL is wrong with this man? Is this just the generations of ingrained covering up for pedophile priests to the point where this Cardinal actually believes what he's saying? Oh I hope not.

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Religion is the illness...
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THIS STATEMENT from the church who declares birth control a sin, sex outside of marriage as being adultery. Sex with anyone but your married spouse is (according to them) adultery. Gay sex is an "abomination" before GOD! And gays should be killed. But old men who have sex with little boys and girls who haven't even reached puberty yet - that okay
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You're full of shit. Nowhere does he say, it's ok.
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THIS STATEMENT from the church who declares birth control a sin, sex outside of marriage as being adultery. Sex with anyone but your married spouse is (according to them) adultery. Gay sex is an "abomination" before GOD! And gays should be killed. But old men who have sex with little boys and girls who haven't even reached puberty yet - that okay
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You're full of shit. Nowhere does he say, it's ok.
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No they never say it.

They just do it.
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In this case he's right. So many people are thinking so horrible things. Most people want to kill one person or another, but that's just in their minds - they are not criminals if they don'd do harm in reality and control their sickness or aggression. Or are you pro-trought crimes?
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yet another catholic defending pedophilia, what a surprise NOT!
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yet another catholic defending pedophilia, what a surprise NOT!
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Yet another NWO-puppet supporting thought crimes (Doesn't matter 90% of us and YOU will have to be put in jail).
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In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
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The people who are unable to control themselves should be removed from society. If its not a criminal condition then it is a disease which requires isolation. This guy:


[link to www.kgw.com]


The state sex offender registry lists Brown as a predatory sex offender known to target children ages 2 to 8. He was on parole for abusing children when the attack in Wendy's occurred.

Court records showed in the early 1990s, Brown was charged with 43 counts, including attempted murder and rape, in connection with a series of sexual assaults against children in Douglas County. Prosecutors said he exposed several children to HIV through sexual contact but those charges were dropped in the plea deal.

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In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


The people who are unable to control themselves should be removed from society. If its not a criminal condition then it is a disease which requires isolation. This guy:


[link to www.kgw.com]


The state sex offender registry lists Brown as a predatory sex offender known to target children ages 2 to 8. He was on parole for abusing children when the attack in Wendy's occurred.

Court records showed in the early 1990s, Brown was charged with 43 counts, including attempted murder and rape, in connection with a series of sexual assaults against children in Douglas County. Prosecutors said he exposed several children to HIV through sexual contact but those charges were dropped in the plea deal.

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Yes but if you chose not to act/rape, you're not a criminal or at least you should't be
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Yes but if you chose not to act/rape, you're not a criminal or at least you should't be
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If you are having paraphilic symptoms you may want to get that checked out, esp. if they are of sudden onset:

[link to www.legalaffairs.org]

The man was a public school teacher who had earned a master's degree, had a clean record, and enjoyed a stable marriage. Then, suddenly, he found himself drawn to child pornography. He began trolling the web for images of children, and he solicited sex at a massage parlor, something he'd never done before. For a while, he was able to hide his new dark self, but his desires grew darker as his ability to control them waned. Eventually, the man was caught making advances toward his stepdaughter, and the police removed him from his home. He was sent to a program for rehabilitation of sexual offenders, but was thrown out for persistently propositioning the nurses. Having failed his rehab, the man was about to go to prison.

In the hospital during the days before the operation, the man was a menace, making coarse jokes, laughing as he urinated on himself, and, as had become his penchant, propositioning the nurses. But the man's personality changed as soon as he came to after the surgery: With the tumor gone, he became his old self. He stopped asking hospital staff for sexual favors, and when he left the hospital, he stopped downloading pornography. After completing the rehabilitation program that he had been thrown out of, the doctors there declared that he was no longer a threat. He returned to his home and his wife.

He was himself for about a year. Then the tumor started to grow again. As the tumor re-emerged, so did his prurience. He began to troll the Internet again. But this time, before he slid back into criminality, he returned to the hospital. The doctors removed a second tumor, and once again restored the man to his better self.


If the paraphilia has an organic basis it may progress in severity. We really need to know more about how this problem develops, and how to treat it effectively. Making excuses for pedophile priests does nothing to achieve this goal.

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Homo-pedos have infiltrated churches.
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Yes but if you chose not to act/rape, you're not a criminal or at least you should't be
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If you are having paraphilic symptoms you may want to get that checked out, esp. if they are of sudden onset:

[link to www.legalaffairs.org]

The man was a public school teacher who had earned a master's degree, had a clean record, and enjoyed a stable marriage. Then, suddenly, he found himself drawn to child pornography. He began trolling the web for images of children, and he solicited sex at a massage parlor, something he'd never done before. For a while, he was able to hide his new dark self, but his desires grew darker as his ability to control them waned. Eventually, the man was caught making advances toward his stepdaughter, and the police removed him from his home. He was sent to a program for rehabilitation of sexual offenders, but was thrown out for persistently propositioning the nurses. Having failed his rehab, the man was about to go to prison.

In the hospital during the days before the operation, the man was a menace, making coarse jokes, laughing as he urinated on himself, and, as had become his penchant, propositioning the nurses. But the man's personality changed as soon as he came to after the surgery: With the tumor gone, he became his old self. He stopped asking hospital staff for sexual favors, and when he left the hospital, he stopped downloading pornography. After completing the rehabilitation program that he had been thrown out of, the doctors there declared that he was no longer a threat. He returned to his home and his wife.

He was himself for about a year. Then the tumor started to grow again. As the tumor re-emerged, so did his prurience. He began to troll the Internet again. But this time, before he slid back into criminality, he returned to the hospital. The doctors removed a second tumor, and once again restored the man to his better self.


If the paraphilia has an organic basis it may progress in severity. We really need to know more about how this problem develops, and how to treat it effectively. Making excuses for pedophile priests does nothing to achieve this goal.
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ok, so then it really is a medical problem and not a crime
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Pedophiles should be put out of their misery, period.
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
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yes this is the aim they are taking to try to 'normalize' pedophilia....sad. sick and sad.
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
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Rape church. Worship at your own risk.
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The bible says Thou shall not ass-fuck,
but it does not say Thou shall not kid-fuck.
So that means it's ok . . right?
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This is the attempt to reclassify pedos as 'disabled' like they were born that way and can't help themselves, then they can apply for welfare etc.

I don't have a problem with homosexuality being reclassified as a paraphilia (ie sexual fetish) but pedos, nah. that's bullshit.
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people are NOT born gay.
people are NOT born pedophiles.

these are both a deviant and evil free-will choice which is a human's FAULT who must accept responsibility and accountability for the abominations they commit. screw this stupid psycho mumbo crap and blaming "satan" or the "devil," which imho are human constructs designed to rationalize and place blame elsewhere vs. accepting responsibility for one's own free-will mistakes.
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns


I halfway agree with this. If you contracted a disease, say TB, was the person who gave it to you a criminal? No they are just sick, and cant help it. What I DONT agree with is the fact that the "sickness" pedophiles have should be treated ONLY as a sickness. Those children whom they pass this "sickness" onto, will most likely become sick themselves, and a pedophile COULD have prevented it. VIa help, or whatever, or simply CHOOSING to not do it, SO yes, they are criminals. They made a choice to infect someone else.

There is no crime in being sick with something, but there is too much help out there to NOT get some help, therefore a pedophile is a criminal.
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The christian god raped 12-13 year old mary so what do you expect?
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God must be horrified that some humans would justify this evil behaviour by saying it is not explicitly commanded against in the law. The depths of human depravity must be seen as totally illogical to a God with the mind and ability to create this beautiful world.

Pedophilia, beastiality, homosexuality, and other such deviant perversions are ABOMINATIONS against God and nature. period. EOD.
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Pedophiles should be put out of their misery, period.
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yup, cut their balls and dicks off, stuff them in their mouths make them eat their own vileness and execute these sick bastards. same for women who do this.
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God must be horrified that some humans would justify this evil behaviour by saying it is not explicitly commanded against in the law. The depths of human depravity must be seen as totally illogical to a God with the mind and ability to create this beautiful world.

Pedophilia, beastiality, homosexuality, and other such deviant perversions are ABOMINATIONS against God and nature. period. EOD.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
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correct. actions are free-will choices...and not some psycho mumbo jumbo of being "born this way" or "made this way" by what others do to you.
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The bible says Thou shall not ass-fuck,
but it does not say Thou shall not kid-fuck.
So that means it's ok . . right?
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Duh. Lot tried to pimp out his kids to the townspeople of Sodom, they turned him down and asked for the male adults in the house instead. God chose to destroy the town and save the pimp. Nuff said.
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Well thats too bad, because the way they deal with psychological illness is to give them drugs and pills to quickly and effectively alter the chemicals in the brain..

So who knows what effect that will have on a paedophile priest. you can only guess.

What i do know is they certainly dont do traditional psychiatry where they talk you though the problems in a long line of sessions with a top psychiatrist, to actually work out your problems and defuse them.
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns



Interesting that you leave out this:

"In an interview with the Stephen Nolan programme on BBC Radio 5 live, Cardinal Napier referred to paedophilia as "a psychological condition, a disorder".

"What do you do with disorders? You've got to try and put them right.

"If I - as a normal being - choose to break the law, knowing that I'm breaking the law, then I think I need to be punished."


He isn't saying that we should let convicted pedophiles loose in our communities.

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