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'Paedophilia not criminal condition' says Durban cardinal

 
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns


I was abused as a child. It most certainly is criminal in that even children SHOULD be secure in their person and afforded legal protection including the yet unborn.

Now compound child abuse with forced, cult celibacy. No WONDER so many Priests turn into the same pedophiles as their abusers. It's a virtual guarantee.

Celibacy is the culprit here. Allow Priests to marry and express their sexuality appropriately.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Are you saying it is a choice? Did you learn to be straight?

Can you tell me how you learnt to be straight?

Did you have a homosexual trial... and learn from that?

Did you have a test drive? Please explain hoe you learned not to be homosexual?

AMAZING!

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I think people are naturally born straight. Some people learn to be gay by practice, such as being in prison, or heavily into dark occult practices, or because they were molested themselves as children, or a host of other things or circumstances.

Still, my point is that actions are always a result of choice, whether gay, hetero or whatever (except in very rare cases of medical abnormality, such as one previous poster gave a couple of examples of.

All sexual activity is performed by choice (excepting rape, of course).
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny



so how to explain kids, having gay attractions

when i was 7 in the 80s, i was attracted to boys/men


i dont think its just brainwashing


animals in the wild exhibit homosexual tendencies
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This is what is called "nonjudgementalism", an insidious dialectic that is designed to transform from what is a near universal evil absolute to an acceptable practice in society. This is how those who want to make sex with kids an acceptable sexual practice:

Redefine the perpetrator as a victim.
Portray him as a victim.
Victims, are sympathised with by society. Empathy and emotions are appealed to.
Discussions then start about pedophilia itself, which ultimately redefines right and wrong. Once "victim hood", is established, it's a downhill slope.

Just like homosexuality. Every single one of us has grown up in a society that has systemically portrayed sodomites as victims in all forms of public media. People started viewing them as victims instead of anal sex loving people. Now homosexuality and lesbiansism is portrayed as just a normal sexual lifestyle.

Pedophilia is already well on this road. Once a society even agrees to start a discourse on unacceptable behaviour, it ends in an establishment of it as normal.

Stop using emotions and plays to emotions to determine good and bad. Sex with kids is wrong and no amount of discourse should even be allowed, because that discourse will appeal to your emotions. This leads inevitably to "do what thou wilst".
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This is what I call a sort of "falling away" from God or good. People think that the bad things they do can be classified as a head disorder and it is completely ok!!? NO NO NO I am sorry that is not how it works! But let them live in their delusional world they will be judged and sooner than later the REAL truth will be out! Let them destroy themselves,from the inside out I promise you it will happen! whatever
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I am curious.

Can any Bible knowing people tell me what the Bible states the minimum age for marriage to be?

Or does it talk about after puberty?
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Anyone?
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Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Yes and no.

People are born with their sexual polarity naturally inverted, but this is no different than any other Chakra being inverted.

Each Chakra is like a magnet and it can be realigned and set "straight"

The reason it tends to get crossed over into Priesthood is because the Medieval West didn't understand the body's energy centers, and when a boy was born fey, they called it "a calling" and those boys were routed towards the priesthood to be asexual and chaste rather than homosexual.

Soon it became a sort of underground railroad and support group instead of a chaste, asexual priesthood.

That process continues today, but is outdated.

Gay Men indoctrinating gay young boys also carries over from the ancient world where it was considered proper for an older gay man to mentor young gay boys. It was something that used to be acceptable and when that rug was pulled out from under them, went underground and into the priesthood.

They still operate under the paradigm that it's "Okay"

If we studied the spirituality of the East and learned how to incorporate it into the West, none of this bullshit would even be necessary.

No arguments over gay rights, no having to force the rest of us to like it or accept it...it would be something that would simply be fixed in youth and everything would be fine.

Please do not take my above explaination of what happened as any sort of condonement of Pedophillia.

I just happen to understand what happened.
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Any church should hang their beliefs upon what Jesus has to say on any subject. In this particular case:

Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


The Christian religion does not specify an age for marraige, that I have ever read. I guess it was assumed that people had common sense and self-control to wait until maturity to marry. Sex is to be between a man and wife only. So there is no sanction for any other at all.

Other religions, like Judaism and Islam allows underage sex, sex with slaves, etc.. I've read some of what their say, and not going to post them here. If anyone so desires, they can google it for themselves, Talmudic teaching, Koran and Hadiths.

Glad I follow Jesus.
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A female can begin menstruation as early as 6, in this age of GMO foods.
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Any church should hang their beliefs upon what Jesus has to say on any subject. In this particular case:

Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.


The Christian religion does not specify an age for marraige, that I have ever read. I guess it was assumed that people had common sense and self-control to wait until maturity to marry. Sex is to be between a man and wife only. So there is no sanction for any other at all.

Other religions, like Judaism and Islam allows underage sex, sex with slaves, etc.. I've read some of what their say, and not going to post them here. If anyone so desires, they can google it for themselves, Talmudic teaching, Koran and Hadiths.

Glad I follow Jesus.
 Quoting: Jesus Freak 36286199


So God tells us not to cut the hair on the side of our heads but he does not bring up at what age a girl can marry.

Let me get this straight.

The Bible does not condemn or prohibit pedophilia.

That tells me that if we used the Bible as a law book. Pedophilia would not be illegal within marriage.
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most if not all the abuse victims of today will have some kind of sexual issue as they age. The more morally empty will act on these desire, others will fight it with all their might. It is a mental disorder AND a criminal act. A lot of work needs to be done with victims to help them understand their sexual feelings as they grow. Those "sick men" you see committing these acts were once innocent defenseless children who were once abused, just remember that when you next call for these people to be strung up.
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THIS STATEMENT from the church who declares birth control a sin, sex outside of marriage as being adultery. Sex with anyone but your married spouse is (according to them) adultery. Gay sex is an "abomination" before GOD! And gays should be killed. But old men who have sex with little boys and girls who haven't even reached puberty yet - that okay because it's an "illness". Like a head cold??

Funny how the standards are so impossibly high for everyone else, and when it comes to a disease that affects millions upon millions of Catholic Priests throughout their lives - then it suddenly becomes an "illness" The stomach-turning hypocrisy and utter self-serving bullshit of that statement is beyond belief. WHAT THE HELL is wrong with this man? Is this just the generations of ingrained covering up for pedophile priests to the point where this Cardinal actually believes what he's saying? Oh I hope not.

You can reason with a liar and convince a hypocrite. But you cannot reason or change the mind of a delusional personn. Not ever!
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Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Yes and no.

People are born with their sexual polarity naturally inverted, but this is no different than any other Chakra being inverted.

Each Chakra is like a magnet and it can be realigned and set "straight"

The reason it tends to get crossed over into Priesthood is because the Medieval West didn't understand the body's energy centers, and when a boy was born fey, they called it "a calling" and those boys were routed towards the priesthood to be asexual and chaste rather than homosexual.

Soon it became a sort of underground railroad and support group instead of a chaste, asexual priesthood.

That process continues today, but is outdated.

Gay Men indoctrinating gay young boys also carries over from the ancient world where it was considered proper for an older gay man to mentor young gay boys. It was something that used to be acceptable and when that rug was pulled out from under them, went underground and into the priesthood.

They still operate under the paradigm that it's "Okay"

If we studied the spirituality of the East and learned how to incorporate it into the West, none of this bullshit would even be necessary.

No arguments over gay rights, no having to force the rest of us to like it or accept it...it would be something that would simply be fixed in youth and everything would be fine.

Please do not take my above explaination of what happened as any sort of condonement of Pedophillia.

I just happen to understand what happened.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


wow. thanks for the enlightening post peace
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Um no cardinal whatever your name is, it is you sick fuck.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


So you don't believe, that as a mammal, your sexual nature is determined by your chemical make up? I mean, sure, EVERY other animal is subject to it's chemistry, but not humans. Oh no, they are somehow different. Nope, they just aren't bound by the same rules every other animal is bound to.

And the moon is made of cheese.
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If you want to have the mindset of an animal then go ahead.
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So God tells us not to cut the hair on the side of our heads but he does not bring up at what age a girl can marry.

Let me get this straight.

The Bible does not condemn or prohibit pedophilia.

That tells me that if we used the Bible as a law book. Pedophilia would not be illegal within marriage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416114


Here's the problem: You're trying to deliberately be an ignorant asshole.

The whole idea of Children being super-hella-precious is a very new thing, culturally.

The Bible doesn't mention what you want it to because back then it was an issue for NOBODY. Children were just young people from the time they could hammer a nail or drag a plow, and the girls were married off as soon as possible for one less mouth to feed.

Remember, people didn't live as long as they do now. That's another thing.

Okay, so now we have everything handed to us on a silver platter we now have time to treat children as precious objects of veneration and fragile psyches which, in turn, produces super leftist spoiled shitbags as adults.

Don't try to make an ancient text conform to your modernist, unrealistic expectations. You don't understand the trials and tribulations of the ancient world.

Now run along and get back to your wii

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It's true that many abused go onto become abusers and that is sad indeed however kids need protection from these pedos and we all know sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated. They can not commit another crime for many years after serving time but they are just ticking time bombs and most go on to commit more crimes.

The victims become victimizers which is terribly tragic but it is more important to protect kids than to heap compassion upon these predators. By labeling it a psychological illness, this suggests medication and/or therapy can cure the condition. This is 100% bullshit. It is a crime and needs to be treated as such. Kids who are sexually abused have lifelong issues.

How dare these Catholic douchebags continue to advocate for pedophiles. Jesus said what you do the children you do to me. No one seems to care about the word of Christ anymore, just about pretending they are powerful and somehow special and closer to God.
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Same with some other stuff, people have feelings, people arent always smiling, people arent always frowning.
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most if not all the abuse victims of today will have some kind of sexual issue as they age. The more morally empty will act on these desire, others will fight it with all their might. It is a mental disorder AND a criminal act. A lot of work needs to be done with victims to help them understand their sexual feelings as they grow. Those "sick men" you see committing these acts were once innocent defenseless children who were once abused, just remember that when you next call for these people to be strung up.
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While I'm sorry for what happened to them as children, by adulthood they are responsible for the choices they make. The cycle needs breaking.
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So God tells us not to cut the hair on the side of our heads but he does not bring up at what age a girl can marry.

Let me get this straight.

The Bible does not condemn or prohibit pedophilia.

That tells me that if we used the Bible as a law book. Pedophilia would not be illegal within marriage.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416114


Here's the problem: You're trying to deliberately be an ignorant asshole.

The whole idea of Children being super-hella-precious is a very new thing, culturally.

The Bible doesn't mention what you want it to because back then it was an issue for NOBODY. Children were just young people from the time they could hammer a nail or drag a plow, and the girls were married off as soon as possible for one less mouth to feed.

Remember, people didn't live as long as they do now. That's another thing.

Okay, so now we have everything handed to us on a silver platter we now have time to treat children as precious objects of veneration and fragile psyches which, in turn, produces super leftist spoiled shitbags as adults.

Don't try to make an ancient text conform to your modernist, unrealistic expectations. You don't understand the trials and tribulations of the ancient world.

Now run along and get back to your wii

:onmywii:
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


Hey ignoramus, you know nothing. This is not about age girls can be married according to the Bible. This is about girls and boys being raped and molested by adults, and the Church wanting this heinous crime to be treated as a psychological illness. Well isn't murder and sociopathy a psychological illness? You are just an asshole pulling all kinds of weird shit out of your ass about kids being treated as special. You must be a pedo who is pissed off that you now have less access to children to victimize them, that is how you come across anyway. And kids today face plenty of trials and tribulations, without needing to add sick fucks molesting them to the list.
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It's true that many abused go onto become abusers and that is sad indeed however kids need protection from these pedos and we all know sex offenders cannot be rehabilitated. They can not commit another crime for many years after serving time but they are just ticking time bombs and most go on to commit more crimes.

The victims become victimizers which is terribly tragic but it is more important to protect kids than to heap compassion upon these predators. By labeling it a psychological illness, this suggests medication and/or therapy can cure the condition. This is 100% bullshit. It is a crime and needs to be treated as such. Kids who are sexually abused have lifelong issues.

How dare these Catholic douchebags continue to advocate for pedophiles. Jesus said what you do the children you do to me. No one seems to care about the word of Christ anymore, just about pretending they are powerful and somehow special and closer to God.
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As you become more evolved, you realize that the worst criminals deserve a bit of compassion and that we are all victims here, victims of the seductions of the Adversary. Just because you haven't murdered someone or dropped a digit on a kid, doesn't mean you aren't worse than some of these people in your heart of hearts.

God knows we are all vile and already damned. Christ knows he can redeem all of us.

When you really, really look into the eyes of an evil person, you can see that they aren't so scary, they are usually pathetic and sad and if they only had the proper attention and care in their lives that society and family failed to provide, they would've been great.
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Here is a picture of Cardinal Napier:

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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.

 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


Prove it name caller.. homosexuality IS a disease of choice

I agree pedoness IS an icurable disease and the catholic cult infects waaaay too many with their AntiBible doctrines
They have much to answer for when they meet their.maker.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


these guys cannot see the obvious
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most if not all the abuse victims of today will have some kind of sexual issue as they age. The more morally empty will act on these desire, others will fight it with all their might. It is a mental disorder AND a criminal act. A lot of work needs to be done with victims to help them understand their sexual feelings as they grow. Those "sick men" you see committing these acts were once innocent defenseless children who were once abused, just remember that when you next call for these people to be strung up.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 35366286


While I'm sorry for what happened to them as children, by adulthood they are responsible for the choices they make. The cycle needs breaking.
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Dont you understand, they havent grown out of their problems and experiences, like children still needing to be taught. Although they know right from wrong, they need to be taught how to behave prior to criminal behaviour.
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Hey ignoramus, you know nothing. This is not about age girls can be married according to the Bible.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17431247

Didn't you bring that up? Didn't you go off on that tanget? I didn't start that tangent. Maybe it was a different ac. I think it was you though, since you're so butthurt by my response.
This is about girls and boys being raped and molested by adults, and the Church wanting this heinous crime to be treated as a psychological illness.
 Quoting: whomever

They miss the mark. It is a spiritual/psychological illness. You can treat the mind but if you do not redirect the spirit the mind will fall back in line with the sick spirit.

Well isn't murder and sociopathy a psychological illness?
 Quoting: whomever

Yes. We as a society are failing the children and they are turning into pathology as adults. Absolutely. Not to mention substance abuse that rewires minds into various subtle insanities.
You are just an asshole
 Quoting: whomever

Yes, people who disagree with you are assholes.
pulling all kinds of weird shit out of your ass about kids being treated as special.
 Quoting: whomever

It's true, please refer to history. It's not weird at all, it's just what happened. We are more precious today about children than people have been, historically. Child rights do not exist until people are a bit too comfortable. That's all I'm saying on the tangent YOU STARTED.

You must be a pedo
 Quoting: whomever

Yes, everyone who disagrees with you is a pedophile asshole. Got it. Good arguing.
who is pissed off that you now have less access to children to victimize them, that is how you come across anyway.
 Quoting: whomever

Do you want to know how you come across? I think you're a person who has a different opinion than me, a very passionate opinion that must be defended at all costs, including libel against strangers.


And kids today face plenty of trials and tribulations, without needing to add sick fucks molesting them to the list.
 Quoting: whomever


Are you a Marijuana smoker? I hope you're not tacitly teaching children that drug use is okay?
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Chip... How many times did you practise being gay before you chose to be straight?

The Brazillian person is correct and you being wrong call him stupid.

AMAZING!

1rof1
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I knew I could hook you gays...er guys up. Gay Aussie, meet gay Brazilian.....

And they sucked happily ever after...
 Quoting: Chip


Chip... I'm straight ... So you are wrong again.

Are you wrong in every post?

It appears so!

AMAZING!

1rof1
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I disagree. I believe you're a nasty ass vile corn holing worthless fucking queer. And that's all I have to say bout that.
 Quoting: Chip

yep chip is gay.. ^proof!
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


these guys cannot see the obvious
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People are not born gay. Some children never, and I mean never think sexually at all, for some years after birth.
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People are not born gay. Some children never, and I mean never think sexually at all, for some years after birth.
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People are born with every kind of defect imaginable, including an inverted sexual orientation.

It's one of the easier things to fix, if you know how to do it. Unlike being born without a spine, you see.
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Are you a Marijuana smoker? I hope you're not tacitly teaching children that drug use is okay?
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


If drug use is the same as child molestation please tell me your feelings on Novartis (owners of the Ritalin patent)?

If I am understanding your logic correctly they must be the biggest pedo ring in the world...or am I misuderstanding metaphor and simile again?

Is it like you view the drug as a spiritual corruption equal to pre teen anal rape?

What about cola drinks? Antibiotics? Where do we draw the line at substances in the environment that affect consciousness? Such an interesting question.

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People are not born gay. Some children never, and I mean never think sexually at all, for some years after birth.
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People are born with every kind of defect imaginable, including an inverted sexual orientation.

It's one of the easier things to fix, if you know how to do it. Unlike being born without a spine, you see.
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Have you been at a birth or ever met a brand new person? Because that wouldnt matter, theyve already been learning inside the womb. Not about sex though or that a gay is a gay. They are born with emotions, and may feel more comfortable around a male. But not with a desire to shag every or any hole.
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Re: 'Paedophilia not criminal condition' says Durban cardinal
The solution to this problem is very simple:

If you encounter a pedophile molesting a child, kill the pedophile on the spot.

If everyone would do this, pedophilia would be cured within a year.
 Quoting: The Comedian


Suggesting nobody has ever never been caught is probably bad logic.