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The Catholic system is just that, a man made system with HUGE demonic overtones i.e. the Jesuit Order and the new “Black Pope”.
Expecting a rational observation from an entity that is derived from demons is insane. They are what they are and you can’t expect a logical explanation. Remember there are around a billion souls that are Catholic and are deceived along with the other organized religion structures in the protestant that are to a lesser degree demonic.
Pedophilia is an ultimate demonic possession.
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Vatican are sick.

Need an exorcism cleanse within.
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[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns

Did he mention that it was RCC Priests who did the abusing?
Why not claim they are creating employment for some doctors.
Hang a few guilty Priests and see how fast the practice stops.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
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Molesting a child is a crime and should be punished severely. Homosexuality is not a 'learned' behaviour, and therefore, not a choice.
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns


The Catholic hierarchy will stop at nothing to defend homosexuality and molestation. They've harbored so many monsters, I don't see how they still have such influence when everyone knows its a front and a fraud.
 Quoting: MuslimAmerican


They might harbour some pedo's is quite correct ..... u WORSHIP a murderous, thieving pedo'jihad2
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The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns



Oh bullshit that molesting children is not "a criminal condition" just because it is ALSO a psychological condition.

They can "be examined by doctors" while they are in jail.
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He helped choose the new pope
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[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns


Cardinal Wilfrid needs to go away - far away. Even if being a pedo were a sickness, which it may very well be, it is also a CRIMINAL sickness.
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In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


The people who are unable to control themselves should be removed from society. If its not a criminal condition then it is a disease which requires isolation. This guy:


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The state sex offender registry lists Brown as a predatory sex offender known to target children ages 2 to 8. He was on parole for abusing children when the attack in Wendy's occurred.

Court records showed in the early 1990s, Brown was charged with 43 counts, including attempted murder and rape, in connection with a series of sexual assaults against children in Douglas County. Prosecutors said he exposed several children to HIV through sexual contact but those charges were dropped in the plea deal.

 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


^^^This Guy^^^ was one of the ones the cops should have blown away, instead he sits in the pen sucking up your tax money to feed, and house him until some sick satanists in the judicial system let him out to prey on little boys again.

If it were my son that guy wouldn't have gotten outta that washroom alive. Period, mop em up boys he's all yours.
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Cool its a medical problem!!

Well let us cut this the problem out!

Start one small incision on the forehead with a chain saw...

Insert a crowbar... Crack open the cranium and yank their brain out and clean it with acid... Stuff it back... Make sure it goes back in just right... Use a sledge hammer... As a tamper...

Medical problem solved using a medical procedure...

-Dr. Acula
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No just hang the fuckers ... your method creates africans duh
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His is actually the voice of reason, and it is just, there are pedophiles who don't act on their disordered impulses, and never commit a crime.
They should not be classed as criminals, if they don't commit crime.
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: K.Kool


But where are these self denying virtuous Priests who managed to control their impulses? Do they exist anywhere other than in theory?

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia




First of all, we are talking about a tiny minority of priests,
0.3% to be exact.

If they have been convicted of a crime, they would be in prison, or placed however the authorities dictated.
The church complies with civil law.
If they have been released, they would need to be treated humanely.
 Quoting: K.Kool


cruise

No.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion


no there not , STUPID
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I am a pedophile. You know there was once a time when being gay was an "illness" too. Kids are beautiful and should be properly educated and allowed to enjoy sexual exploration. Stop being retarded, everyone. Kids have sex, and have been having sex for years and years. Its us who are the stupid ones to think we can put laws on their bodies and tell them they can't make their own choices.
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[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns


It was only a matter of time.

It wasn't long ago when homosexuality was illegal, now its the fucking craze.

Pedophilia was the next step.

They are all sick fucks.

Round them up and shoot the fucking lot.
Its the only way forward.
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Yes but if you chose not to act/rape, you're not a criminal or at least you should't be
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 428255


If you are having paraphilic symptoms you may want to get that checked out, esp. if they are of sudden onset:

[link to www.legalaffairs.org]

The man was a public school teacher who had earned a master's degree, had a clean record, and enjoyed a stable marriage. Then, suddenly, he found himself drawn to child pornography. He began trolling the web for images of children, and he solicited sex at a massage parlor, something he'd never done before. For a while, he was able to hide his new dark self, but his desires grew darker as his ability to control them waned. Eventually, the man was caught making advances toward his stepdaughter, and the police removed him from his home. He was sent to a program for rehabilitation of sexual offenders, but was thrown out for persistently propositioning the nurses. Having failed his rehab, the man was about to go to prison.

In the hospital during the days before the operation, the man was a menace, making coarse jokes, laughing as he urinated on himself, and, as had become his penchant, propositioning the nurses. But the man's personality changed as soon as he came to after the surgery: With the tumor gone, he became his old self. He stopped asking hospital staff for sexual favors, and when he left the hospital, he stopped downloading pornography. After completing the rehabilitation program that he had been thrown out of, the doctors there declared that he was no longer a threat. He returned to his home and his wife.

He was himself for about a year. Then the tumor started to grow again. As the tumor re-emerged, so did his prurience. He began to troll the Internet again. But this time, before he slid back into criminality, he returned to the hospital. The doctors removed a second tumor, and once again restored the man to his better self.


If the paraphilia has an organic basis it may progress in severity. We really need to know more about how this problem develops, and how to treat it effectively. Making excuses for pedophile priests does nothing to achieve this goal.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


ok, so then it really is a medical problem and not a crime
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medical treatment for it would be castration.
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Once a pedophile always a pedophile. Statistics show that one pedophile molests upwards to 200-300 children in their lifetime. You're not looking at an individual who is capable of a single lifetime partnership. Instead this person's whole thought process is dysfunctional with regard to sexual stimulation (which was set in childhood - most likely due to having been sexually abuse). Since children grow up becoming adults, they're no longer sexually desirable to the pedophile. Subsequently the pedophile is always searching and targeting children to molest for his own personal sexual gratification throughout his lifespan.

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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion




People are born sinful. Period. They just need to choose not to sin, or the world gets all messed up like it is now...ungodly people doing ungodly things in an ungodly world. That's why we live in a world now where right is wrong, up is down, evil is good. It's insane. There have to be Godly standards of right and wrong for a life or a world to function properly.
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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
 Quoting: Shoot straight Johnny


Of course people are born gay, stupid!
 Quoting: TruthMinion




People are born sinful. Period. They just need to choose not to sin, or the world gets all messed up like it is now...ungodly people doing ungodly things in an ungodly world. That's why we live in a world now where right is wrong, up is down, evil is good. It's insane. There have to be Godly standards of right and wrong for a life or a world to function properly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 36308595


What do you mean by Godly standards?

Do you mean killing your child for cursing you?

Do you mean killing your wife when you find out she was not a virgin on the wedding night?

The Bibles idea of right and wrong is awfull.
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people are NOT born gay.
people are NOT born pedophiles.

these are both a deviant and evil free-will choice which is a human's FAULT who must accept responsibility and accountability for the abominations they commit. screw this stupid psycho mumbo crap and blaming "satan" or the "devil," which imho are human constructs designed to rationalize and place blame elsewhere vs. accepting responsibility for one's own free-will mistakes.
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^^This!
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I think what is at issue, is how people's feelings towards pedophilia are being exploited to create a police state. Every local government employee goes along with putting up secret cameras everywhere now, EVERYTHING is under surveillance, don't kid yourself.

The government is protecting pornographers churning out billions of child adult theme porn websites, they don't care about the children, but the locals don't care, they can't process it, it's just too much fun to indulge their hatred of pedophiles.
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I am a pedophile. You know there was once a time when being gay was an "illness" too. Kids are beautiful and should be properly educated and allowed to enjoy sexual exploration. Stop being retarded, everyone. Kids have sex, and have been having sex for years and years. Its us who are the stupid ones to think we can put laws on their bodies and tell them they can't make their own choices.
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Your the type of sick fucks that need rounding up and shooting.
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I do not sit with the deceitful, nor do I associate with hypocrites.
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Judging of others forbidden
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Put it like this.

It's natural for a male to lust over a female.


However for a male to lust over another male is considered appropriate in this society.

Yet when an older male lusts over a young girl (who may happen to be under age) it is considered in-appropriate.

Gay marriage is now accepted, even though it is no natural for another man to lust over another man.

I'm not supporting paedophilia, but when its considered acceptable for a man to fuck another man but not a man to fuck a girl/woman its completely wrong.

What a complete fuck up in this society.
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Put it like this.

It's natural for a male to lust over a female.


However for a male to lust over another male is considered appropriate in this society.

Yet when an older male lusts over a young girl (who may happen to be under age) it is considered in-appropriate.

Gay marriage is now accepted, even though it is no natural for another man to lust over another man.

I'm not supporting paedophilia, but when its considered acceptable for a man to fuck another man but not a man to fuck a girl/woman its completely wrong.

What a complete fuck up in this society.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26078036


And it really is a fuck up in this society.

Years ago men could marry 12 year old girls etc.. but not anymore.
Years ago gay men would unfortunately killed if they had a relationship with another man. It was completely unacceptable yet marrying a little girl was considered fine.

Now, apparently its turned the complete other way around.

Nature v Man Made Laws.

They will always clash.

Man Made law will always fuck up society.
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If it was an issue or not for people is not relevant. The Bible is not peoples opinions or issues.
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Sure it is. Have you read it?

It is the word of God according to Christianity.
 Quoting: whomever

That is one aspect of it, yes. It is not the totality of what the Bible is and isn't.
So obviously at what age girls get married is not important to God.
 Quoting: whomever

And you've decided it should be, because you think modernistically that Children are super-precious and need to be hand-held to the age of 18 to be unleashed on society.
Accually it is less important then buttons in clothing.
 Quoting: whomever


The Bible actually tells you everything you need to know:

Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's

Meaning: Follow the Law of your Land whether it is just or unjust. Following the Law is a demonstration of faith or a "Mitzvah" if you will. Being unlawful to King or Country is a sin.

Now that you know that, you can cease this useless line of argument.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


What I ment with my first statement was the Bible is not for showing the will of man its for showing humans the will of God.

Please answer these questions:

Are you telling me that you are Ok with child marriage?

Was it a sin for Germans not to obey Hitler?
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Had the Bible been completed and unadulterated, Isa/Jesus would not have prophesied the coming of another prophet of God nor would there have been anymore. There's also the issue of not knowing for sure which parts are true and which are the actual word inspired by divine revelation. The flood of Noah for example is first said to be 40 days and nights, but few pages later it's over 100 days. Surely God being perfect in every way and all knowing would not have inspired something contradicting itself as the modern Bible.



[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

The Catholic Archbishop of Durban, Wilfrid Fox Napier, has described paedophilia as a psychological "illness, not a criminal condition".

The South African cardinal told the BBC that people who were themselves abused as children and then abused others needed to be examined by doctors.

He was one of 115 cardinals who took part in the conclave at the Vatican to elect Pope Francis earlier this week.

He said he knew at least two priests, who became paedophiles after themselves being abused as children.
 Quoting: SheldonReturns


The Catholic hierarchy will stop at nothing to defend homosexuality and molestation. They've harbored so many monsters, I don't see how they still have such influence when everyone knows its a front and a fraud.
 Quoting: MuslimAmerican


They might harbour some pedo's is quite correct ..... u WORSHIP a murderous, thieving pedo'jihad2
 Quoting: jimd


I don't worship any man, being or deity; only God and God alone. Regardless there's no correlation in who I worship, compared to their physical molestation and rape of nuns and children throughout the catholic church. Last time I checked Islam didn't run a sex trade of little boys/girls.

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What I am saying is that years ago it would be considered a disease for gay men to have a relationship with one another too. But now that's seemed to change for some reason.
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This is what is called "nonjudgementalism", an insidious dialectic that is designed to transform from what is a near universal evil absolute to an acceptable practice in society. This is how those who want to make sex with kids an acceptable sexual practice:

Redefine the perpetrator as a victim.
Portray him as a victim.
Victims, are sympathised with by society. Empathy and emotions are appealed to.
Discussions then start about pedophilia itself, which ultimately redefines right and wrong. Once "victim hood", is established, it's a downhill slope.

Just like homosexuality. Every single one of us has grown up in a society that has systemically portrayed sodomites as victims in all forms of public media. People started viewing them as victims instead of anal sex loving people. Now homosexuality and lesbiansism is portrayed as just a normal sexual lifestyle.

Pedophilia is already well on this road. Once a society even agrees to start a discourse on unacceptable behaviour, it ends in an establishment of it as normal.

Stop using emotions and plays to emotions to determine good and bad. Sex with kids is wrong and no amount of discourse should even be allowed, because that discourse will appeal to your emotions. This leads inevitably to "do what thou wilst".
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How much you wanna bet that "cardinal" is a pedo-perv??? So OF COURSE he wouldn't want us to call a spade a spade.
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If it was an issue or not for people is not relevant. The Bible is not peoples opinions or issues.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1416114

Sure it is. Have you read it?

It is the word of God according to Christianity.
 Quoting: whomever

That is one aspect of it, yes. It is not the totality of what the Bible is and isn't.
So obviously at what age girls get married is not important to God.
 Quoting: whomever

And you've decided it should be, because you think modernistically that Children are super-precious and need to be hand-held to the age of 18 to be unleashed on society.
Accually it is less important then buttons in clothing.
 Quoting: whomever


The Bible actually tells you everything you need to know:

Render unto Ceaser what is Ceaser's

Meaning: Follow the Law of your Land whether it is just or unjust. Following the Law is a demonstration of faith or a "Mitzvah" if you will. Being unlawful to King or Country is a sin.

Now that you know that, you can cease this useless line of argument.
 Quoting: Holy_Diver


What I ment with my first statement was the Bible is not for showing the will of man its for showing humans the will of God.

Please answer these questions:

Are you telling me that you are Ok with child marriage?

Was it a sin for Germans not to obey Hitler?
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