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Paedophilia is clearly a sickness of the mind.
Nature or nurture I don't know. There is also the phenomena of POCD.
Perhaps too much porn use can also be a culprit.

Those who haven't commited a crime yet should undergo treatment, and those who have acted out must be punished and go to prison just like the rapists, murderers and crooks. None of their behaviors are normal and they are clearly a menace to society.

And to be honest some parents are idiots making their little girls wear something clearly inappropriate. Wtf is up with that? Let a kid be a kid, don't make them wear stuff that is clearly not for them.

Btw.

I don't recall him saying they should just get a pat on the back.

I don't understand the point of some of these comments.

Over sensationaling bullshit.
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Paedophilia absolutely is an horrendous crime against our children and their futures.

Whilst these creeps should get psychological help in jail, to pretend it is just a medical complaint is ridiculous.

Why do religious people defend the organisations that have not reported these crimes?

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I think it's a lot like the whole 'being born gay' thing...which I don't agree with. I think they are both 'learned' behaviours. In any case, no matter what 'inclination' a person has, they choose to act upon it or not. Actions are choices.
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Of course people are born gay, stupid!
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People are born sinful. Period. They just need to choose not to sin, or the world gets all messed up like it is now...ungodly people doing ungodly things in an ungodly world. That's why we live in a world now where right is wrong, up is down, evil is good. It's insane. There have to be Godly standards of right and wrong for a life or a world to function properly.
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People are not born sinful!

Do you truly think a baby is sinful??
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Everyone is sinful whether a child or not, children are not held responsible for sin as they cannot comprehend it as children, so they're not responsible for sins committed during childhood, that doesn't mean they don't occur. A mature person aware of their choices and the consequences is responsible for their sin.

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Disgusting, their way to become like children is to take them from behind, talk about sick. Just bitter crooked people that get off raping innocence, men of power sure seem to love that, probably helps them sustain the guilt in their minds. I sure as hell hope that shame will make a comeback and this kind of sickness goes away.

And it reminds me of:

If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea. -Matthew 18:6

Not something you wish even upon the most wicked, rather pray that they get their act together instead of trying to protect their nasty habits.
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Since 'they' admit the children need professional help why do they balk at picking up the bill or sending the offending Priest for help also?
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I am asking about a baby.

WHY is a baby sinful?
 Quoting: TruthMinion

Actually the Bible promotes that a person is an infant until they are 20. The age when a child can be sent to war. 20 in Isaiah 65 is when an 'infant dies' and a 'child is born', and 100 years later (marriage and 100 children in that time) they are judged by God and when found to be sinless the 'child dies' and they become an 'old man' who has an eternity to live without aging anymore.
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The solution to this problem is very simple:

If you encounter a pedophile molesting a child, kill the pedophile on the spot.

If everyone would do this, pedophilia would be cured within a year.
 Quoting: The Comedian


I have one caveat...before you kill them, at least afford them the opportunity to accept Christ as their lord and saviour. Whatever they decide, then kill them.
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Request denied.
They've had plenty of time to consider salvation.
The time for execution must not be delayed.
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That's what Im talkin about....evil3
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Fitting song


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And they sucked happily ever after...
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I disagree. I believe you're a nasty ass vile corn holing worthless fucking queer. And that's all I have to say bout that.
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yep chip is gay.. ^proof!
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Children are innocent and IMPO have the right to their childhood without needing to feel the need to defend themselves against sexual predators. Period. And on the whole young girls find sex disgusting. They are not the ones initiating a sexual encounter. It is the males. However, both girls and boys often begin to explore their own sexual differences with their peers generally out of normal curiosity. Oftentimes this is before the hormonal changes begin so there really isn't any sexual acting out unless a child has been exposed to a sexual predator, an overly hormonal male teen or adults who are sexually active in front of the children.

Believe it or not - most human beings are bi-sexual. With respect to homosexuality an individual may be genetically predisposed toward being attracted to the same sex or hormonally predisposed where a female feels like a male and a male like a female (this is identified as transexual). This information is based on numerous medical studies. Being genetically predisposed toward homosexual or transexual experience is not a sin, nor is it the fault of the individual who is this way. It isn't any different then being born with brown eyes or black hair. Genetics is calling the shots here.

Next, there is a huge difference between same sex relationships where the partners prefer to be in a monogamous relationship as compared to a sexual predator who seeks out children to molest. Most molesters were themselves molested as children. One of the statistics floating around since the early 80s is that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually molested as a child. With the amount of television and advertising media sexualizing children this number may have increased over the years.

Pedophiles seek children to sexually molest. Period. One child after the next.

The Catholic Church is filled with pedophile priests - all of which should be excommunicated rather then transferred into another diocese. Allowing pedophiles to remain in the church where they have access to children and are protected by the church is just plain ludicrous.

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Most molesters were themselves molested as children. One of the statistics floating around since the early 80s is that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually molested as a child. With the amount of television and advertising media sexualizing children this number may have increased over the years.
 Quoting: Alexander


I question if molestation creates offenders. Or if something else is involved. Or a number of factors. But, at any rate, get the active ones all off the street and sort out the biology later.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


For each sex offender the differential diagnosis of an erotic preference for minors vs. a preference for physically mature partners was made by means of the phallometric test of erotic gender and age preferences. The analysis of self-reports confirmed that the proportion of pedophiles who report having been sexually abused in childhood by mature persons is larger than that of men who were not charged for or accused of a sex offense against a child though the difference is relatively small (28.6 vs. 13.9 and 10.7% for the heterosexual pedophiles and the two groups of gynephiles, respectively, and 25.9 vs. 11.8% for the homosexual pedophiles and androphiles, respectively).

[link to cjb.sagepub.com]

Male sexual aggression against children is a serious and alarmingly common social problem. Treatments for the perpetrators have been only moderately successful. Perhaps a reason for this has been the absence of a unified model of etiology and treatment that includes the most salient motivational factors unique to various subtypes of perpetrators.
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Including that you can own a slave.

I am asking why is a baby sinful??
 Quoting: TruthMinion

You can become a slave if you owe somebody money. The 'owner' then takes care of you and your family until the debt is paid or voided which is no longer than 7 years.

Name one instance where a sin sacrifice has ever been made for a baby or a child.
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His is actually the voice of reason, and it is just, there are pedophiles who don't act on their disordered impulses, and never commit a crime.
They should not be classed as criminals, if they don't commit crime.
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: K.Kool


But where are these self denying virtuous Priests who managed to control their impulses? Do they exist anywhere other than in theory?

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia




First of all, we are talking about a tiny minority of priests,
0.3% to be exact.

If they have been convicted of a crime, they would be in prison, or placed however the authorities dictated.
The church complies with civil law.
If they have been released, they would need to be treated humanely.
 Quoting: K.Kool


And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

Haven't we just commenced a Royal Commission in Australia to get to the bottom of this mess in institutions? Have you got inside information?

When did the Church commence complying with Civil Law?

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His is actually the voice of reason, and it is just, there are pedophiles who don't act on their disordered impulses, and never commit a crime.
They should not be classed as criminals, if they don't commit crime.
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: K.Kool


But where are these self denying virtuous Priests who managed to control their impulses? Do they exist anywhere other than in theory?

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia




First of all, we are talking about a tiny minority of priests,
0.3% to be exact.

If they have been convicted of a crime, they would be in prison, or placed however the authorities dictated.
The church complies with civil law.
If they have been released, they would need to be treated humanely.
 Quoting: K.Kool


And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

Haven't we just commenced a Royal Commission in Australia to get to the bottom of this mess in institutions? Have you got inside information?

When did the Church commence complying with Civil Law?

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we sell you religion at a price whilst raping your children... i own a gun............ gtfo.....
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His is actually the voice of reason, and it is just, there are pedophiles who don't act on their disordered impulses, and never commit a crime.
They should not be classed as criminals, if they don't commit crime.
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
 Quoting: K.Kool


But where are these self denying virtuous Priests who managed to control their impulses? Do they exist anywhere other than in theory?

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia




First of all, we are talking about a tiny minority of priests,
0.3% to be exact.

If they have been convicted of a crime, they would be in prison, or placed however the authorities dictated.
The church complies with civil law.
If they have been released, they would need to be treated humanely.
 Quoting: K.Kool


And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

Haven't we just commenced a Royal Commission in Australia to get to the bottom of this mess in institutions? Have you got inside information?

When did the Church commence complying with Civil Law?

oops2
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"1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of
men.

This is just plain false. There´s absolutely no evidence that priests are
more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and
abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is
epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities
across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child
prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a
prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of
the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles
and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most
comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests
considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia
. In the
recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by
the media as "pedophiles" are actually guilty of molesting young children."

[link to catholic.net]
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But where are these self denying virtuous Priests who managed to control their impulses? Do they exist anywhere other than in theory?

[link to abcnews.go.com]
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia




First of all, we are talking about a tiny minority of priests,
0.3% to be exact.

If they have been convicted of a crime, they would be in prison, or placed however the authorities dictated.
The church complies with civil law.
If they have been released, they would need to be treated humanely.
 Quoting: K.Kool


And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

Haven't we just commenced a Royal Commission in Australia to get to the bottom of this mess in institutions? Have you got inside information?

When did the Church commence complying with Civil Law?

oops2
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we sell you religion at a price whilst raping your children... i own a gun............ gtfo.....
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step away from the children.............. simple...........

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But where are these self denying virtuous Priests who managed to control their impulses? Do they exist anywhere other than in theory?

[link to abcnews.go.com]
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First of all, we are talking about a tiny minority of priests,
0.3% to be exact.

If they have been convicted of a crime, they would be in prison, or placed however the authorities dictated.
The church complies with civil law.
If they have been released, they would need to be treated humanely.
 Quoting: K.Kool


And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

Haven't we just commenced a Royal Commission in Australia to get to the bottom of this mess in institutions? Have you got inside information?

When did the Church commence complying with Civil Law?

oops2
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"1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of
men.

This is just plain false. There´s absolutely no evidence that priests are
more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and
abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is
epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities
across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child
prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a
prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of
the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles
and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most
comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests
considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia
. In the
recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by
the media as "pedophiles" are actually guilty of molesting young children."

[link to catholic.net]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Ok so the "exact" statement is questionable.. We shall see what we shall see.

I hope it is way less than .03% because that means that less children have been harmed.

However, if organisations have covered things up, like has been alleged, then I don't know how anyone can quote that figure and be confident that it is correct.

As I said, I hope it is way lower than .03%!

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OOps see I am a glass half full person I am hoping for .03% when the study showed .3%.

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And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

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The other 99.7% are guilty because they know about the crimes and the take an active role in covering it up. (nor do I believe in that number however take that back through the ages and it becomes a very large number)
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Ankle bracelets certainly don't seem to help, I don't think talk therapy does either:

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Probation officials are investigating how a man charged with possessing child pornography managed to cut off his electronic monitoring bracelet before carjacking a woman at a mall, fatally stabbing her and raping her 10-year-old-daughter, authorities said.

David J. Renz abducted the school librarian and her daughter as they left a gymnastics class Thursday night at a mall in the Syracuse suburb of Clay, about 150 miles west of Albany, state police said Friday.

Renz bound both victims, raped the girl and drove a short distance to a spot where the girl escaped and was found by a passing motorist, troopers said.
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And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

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The other 99.7% are guilty because they know about the crimes and the take an active role in covering it up. (nor do I believe in that number however take that back through the ages and it becomes a very large number)
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And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

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The other 99.7% are guilty because they know about the crimes and the take an active role in covering it up. (nor do I believe in that number however take that back through the ages and it becomes a very large number)
 Quoting: MHz


^^^^
 Quoting: Citizenperth



Oh yeah, really? An active role in covering it up,
that is total bullshit,
and even if you count every single case to the day when Jesus began the church, you will still only get a number that is
not above any other group, in fact, the group with the biggest number of pedophiles are step-fathers and other relatives, I find that even more disgusting, but I wouldn't be a dickhead and blame all other stepdads.
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And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

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The other 99.7% are guilty because they know about the crimes and the take an active role in covering it up. (nor do I believe in that number however take that back through the ages and it becomes a very large number)
 Quoting: MHz


^^^^
 Quoting: Citizenperth



Oh yeah, really? An active role in covering it up,
that is total bullshit,
and even if you count every single case to the day when Jesus began the church, you will still only get a number that is
not above any other group, in fact, the group with the biggest number of pedophiles are step-fathers and other relatives, I find that even more disgusting, but I wouldn't be a dickhead and blame all other stepdads.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Are you putting children first with your heartfelt defense of Catholic priests?

A tiny bit of online research can find documents, (if legitimate), that probably should concern you, in these matters.

I found the following in Latin, allegedly from the previous Pope, allegedly signed by him when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

[link to www.vatican.va]

and this alleged translation of the above Latin document in English

English…. [link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

You will note these alleged letters & alleged translations declare "Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret."

Here is a definition of "Pontifical Secret" [link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

Can a person be ex-communicated for even discussing these issues?.

Can a victim who communicates outside the Church be ex-communicated?

I couldn't find the words "All cases must be reported to the Police", in the documents, did you?

I'm sorry to rock your world, but, if these documents are legitimate, what do you say now?
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The other 99.7% are guilty because they know about the crimes and the take an active role in covering it up. (nor do I believe in that number however take that back through the ages and it becomes a very large number)
 Quoting: MHz


^^^^
 Quoting: Citizenperth



Oh yeah, really? An active role in covering it up,
that is total bullshit,
and even if you count every single case to the day when Jesus began the church, you will still only get a number that is
not above any other group, in fact, the group with the biggest number of pedophiles are step-fathers and other relatives, I find that even more disgusting, but I wouldn't be a dickhead and blame all other stepdads.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Are you putting children first with your heartfelt defense of Catholic priests?

A tiny bit of online research can find documents, (if legitimate), that probably should concern you, in these matters.

I found the following in Latin, allegedly from the previous Pope, allegedly signed by him when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

[link to www.vatican.va]

and this alleged translation of the above Latin document in English

English…. [link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

You will note these alleged letters & alleged translations declare "Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret."

Here is a definition of "Pontifical Secret" [link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

Can a person be ex-communicated for even discussing these issues?.

Can a victim who communicates outside the Church be ex-communicated?

I couldn't find the words "All cases must be reported to the Police", in the documents, did you?

I'm sorry to rock your world, but, if these documents are legitimate, what do you say now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661




This is to do with canon law, with what happens within the church, a pedophile priest has to go through a church trial as well as a civil one.


"Regulations concerning the secrecy of trials are maintained, in order to safeguard the dignity of all the people involved.

One point that remains untouched, though it has often been the subject of discussion in recent times, concerns collaboration with the civil authorities. It must be borne in mind that the Norms being published today are part of the penal code of canon law, which is complete in itself and entirely distinct from the law of States.
On this subject, however, it is important to take note of the "Guide to Understanding Basic CDF Procedures concerning Sexual Abuse Allegations", as published on the Holy See website. In that Guide, the phrase "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed" is contained in the section dedicated to "Preliminary Procedures". This means that in the practice suggested by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith it is necessary to comply with the requirements of law in the various countries, and to do so in good time, not during or subsequent to the canonical trial."


[link to www.vatican.va]
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 Quoting: Citizenperth



Oh yeah, really? An active role in covering it up,
that is total bullshit,
and even if you count every single case to the day when Jesus began the church, you will still only get a number that is
not above any other group, in fact, the group with the biggest number of pedophiles are step-fathers and other relatives, I find that even more disgusting, but I wouldn't be a dickhead and blame all other stepdads.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Are you putting children first with your heartfelt defense of Catholic priests?

A tiny bit of online research can find documents, (if legitimate), that probably should concern you, in these matters.

I found the following in Latin, allegedly from the previous Pope, allegedly signed by him when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

[link to www.vatican.va]

and this alleged translation of the above Latin document in English

English…. [link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

You will note these alleged letters & alleged translations declare "Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret."

Here is a definition of "Pontifical Secret" [link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

Can a person be ex-communicated for even discussing these issues?.

Can a victim who communicates outside the Church be ex-communicated?

I couldn't find the words "All cases must be reported to the Police", in the documents, did you?

I'm sorry to rock your world, but, if these documents are legitimate, what do you say now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661




This is to do with canon law, with what happens within the church, a pedophile priest has to go through a church trial as well as a civil one.


"Regulations concerning the secrecy of trials are maintained, in order to safeguard the dignity of all the people involved.

One point that remains untouched, though it has often been the subject of discussion in recent times, concerns collaboration with the civil authorities. It must be borne in mind that the Norms being published today are part of the penal code of canon law, which is complete in itself and entirely distinct from the law of States.
On this subject, however, it is important to take note of the "Guide to Understanding Basic CDF Procedures concerning Sexual Abuse Allegations", as published on the Holy See website. In that Guide, the phrase "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed" is contained in the section dedicated to "Preliminary Procedures". This means that in the practice suggested by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith it is necessary to comply with the requirements of law in the various countries, and to do so in good time, not during or subsequent to the canonical trial."


[link to www.vatican.va]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Nice diversion there K Kool... Are you a lawyer?...lol

I'm shaking my head in disbelief and laughing.

Anyhow... I'll let the Royal Commission answer other questions on this topic for you...lol

peace
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Re: 'Paedophilia not criminal condition' says Durban cardinal
It may be possible that some pedophiles are drawn to the priesthood, not simply to take advantage of a position which allows access to children (same as being a scout master), but also because some forms of peodophilia seem to be linked to hyper-religiousity.

[link to news.discovery.com]

[link to books.google.com]

K Kool, What sort of psych evaluation does an incoming priest receive?

Do they get physicals?

I've only read Tom Baker's account, and that was horrifying. He made it sound like the experience could rapidly drive you insane if you were not already, due to the social isolation and loss of personal identity.
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Oh yeah, really? An active role in covering it up,
that is total bullshit,
and even if you count every single case to the day when Jesus began the church, you will still only get a number that is
not above any other group, in fact, the group with the biggest number of pedophiles are step-fathers and other relatives, I find that even more disgusting, but I wouldn't be a dickhead and blame all other stepdads.
 Quoting: K.Kool


Are you putting children first with your heartfelt defense of Catholic priests?

A tiny bit of online research can find documents, (if legitimate), that probably should concern you, in these matters.

I found the following in Latin, allegedly from the previous Pope, allegedly signed by him when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

[link to www.vatican.va]

and this alleged translation of the above Latin document in English

English…. [link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

You will note these alleged letters & alleged translations declare "Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret."

Here is a definition of "Pontifical Secret" [link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

Can a person be ex-communicated for even discussing these issues?.

Can a victim who communicates outside the Church be ex-communicated?

I couldn't find the words "All cases must be reported to the Police", in the documents, did you?

I'm sorry to rock your world, but, if these documents are legitimate, what do you say now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661




This is to do with canon law, with what happens within the church, a pedophile priest has to go through a church trial as well as a civil one.


"Regulations concerning the secrecy of trials are maintained, in order to safeguard the dignity of all the people involved.

One point that remains untouched, though it has often been the subject of discussion in recent times, concerns collaboration with the civil authorities. It must be borne in mind that the Norms being published today are part of the penal code of canon law, which is complete in itself and entirely distinct from the law of States.
On this subject, however, it is important to take note of the "Guide to Understanding Basic CDF Procedures concerning Sexual Abuse Allegations", as published on the Holy See website. In that Guide, the phrase "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed" is contained in the section dedicated to "Preliminary Procedures". This means that in the practice suggested by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith it is necessary to comply with the requirements of law in the various countries, and to do so in good time, not during or subsequent to the canonical trial."


[link to www.vatican.va]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Nice diversion there K Kool... Are you a lawyer?...lol

I'm shaking my head in disbelief and laughing.

Anyhow... I'll let the Royal Commission answer other questions on this topic for you...lol

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661



Diversion?

Is that what you call being proved wrong, Anonymous Coward?

The 'Pontifical secret' is there to protect the course of justice, the civil system has similar laws.

"Art. 30

§ 1. Cases of this nature are subject to the pontifical secret.[41]

§ 2. Whoever has violated the secret, whether deliberately (ex dolo) or through grave negligence, and has caused some harm to the accused or to the witnesses, is to be punished with an appropriate penalty by the higher turnus at the insistence of the injured party or even ex officio."

[link to www.vatican.va]
peace

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Are you putting children first with your heartfelt defense of Catholic priests?

A tiny bit of online research can find documents, (if legitimate), that probably should concern you, in these matters.

I found the following in Latin, allegedly from the previous Pope, allegedly signed by him when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

[link to www.vatican.va]

and this alleged translation of the above Latin document in English

English…. [link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

You will note these alleged letters & alleged translations declare "Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret."

Here is a definition of "Pontifical Secret" [link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

Can a person be ex-communicated for even discussing these issues?.

Can a victim who communicates outside the Church be ex-communicated?

I couldn't find the words "All cases must be reported to the Police", in the documents, did you?

I'm sorry to rock your world, but, if these documents are legitimate, what do you say now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661




This is to do with canon law, with what happens within the church, a pedophile priest has to go through a church trial as well as a civil one.


"Regulations concerning the secrecy of trials are maintained, in order to safeguard the dignity of all the people involved.

One point that remains untouched, though it has often been the subject of discussion in recent times, concerns collaboration with the civil authorities. It must be borne in mind that the Norms being published today are part of the penal code of canon law, which is complete in itself and entirely distinct from the law of States.
On this subject, however, it is important to take note of the "Guide to Understanding Basic CDF Procedures concerning Sexual Abuse Allegations", as published on the Holy See website. In that Guide, the phrase "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed" is contained in the section dedicated to "Preliminary Procedures". This means that in the practice suggested by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith it is necessary to comply with the requirements of law in the various countries, and to do so in good time, not during or subsequent to the canonical trial."


[link to www.vatican.va]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Nice diversion there K Kool... Are you a lawyer?...lol

I'm shaking my head in disbelief and laughing.

Anyhow... I'll let the Royal Commission answer other questions on this topic for you...lol

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661



Diversion?

Is that what you call being proved wrong, Anonymous Coward?

The 'Pontifical secret' is there to protect the course of justice, the civil system has similar laws.

"Art. 30

§ 1. Cases of this nature are subject to the pontifical secret.[41]

§ 2. Whoever has violated the secret, whether deliberately (ex dolo) or through grave negligence, and has caused some harm to the accused or to the witnesses, is to be punished with an appropriate penalty by the higher turnus at the insistence of the injured party or even ex officio."

[link to www.vatican.va]
peace
 Quoting: K.Kool


We'll see whose wrong... Even though you are proven wrong in every investigation throughout the world, you will still defend the Church.

Be careful - Your GOD is watching you.... 1rof1
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hmmm let's see....

1. honesty from the leaders are taught
2. confession is wrapped in secrecy
3. if you follow 1. you get ex-communicated, or 2, yer arse is safe....

not real sure jesus would be happy with being CEO or head of the board......
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This is to do with canon law, with what happens within the church, a pedophile priest has to go through a church trial as well as a civil one.


"Regulations concerning the secrecy of trials are maintained, in order to safeguard the dignity of all the people involved.

One point that remains untouched, though it has often been the subject of discussion in recent times, concerns collaboration with the civil authorities. It must be borne in mind that the Norms being published today are part of the penal code of canon law, which is complete in itself and entirely distinct from the law of States.
On this subject, however, it is important to take note of the "Guide to Understanding Basic CDF Procedures concerning Sexual Abuse Allegations", as published on the Holy See website. In that Guide, the phrase "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed" is contained in the section dedicated to "Preliminary Procedures". This means that in the practice suggested by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith it is necessary to comply with the requirements of law in the various countries, and to do so in good time, not during or subsequent to the canonical trial."


[link to www.vatican.va]
 Quoting: K.Kool


Nice diversion there K Kool... Are you a lawyer?...lol

I'm shaking my head in disbelief and laughing.

Anyhow... I'll let the Royal Commission answer other questions on this topic for you...lol

peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661



Diversion?

Is that what you call being proved wrong, Anonymous Coward?

The 'Pontifical secret' is there to protect the course of justice, the civil system has similar laws.

"Art. 30

§ 1. Cases of this nature are subject to the pontifical secret.[41]

§ 2. Whoever has violated the secret, whether deliberately (ex dolo) or through grave negligence, and has caused some harm to the accused or to the witnesses, is to be punished with an appropriate penalty by the higher turnus at the insistence of the injured party or even ex officio."

[link to www.vatican.va]
peace
 Quoting: K.Kool


We'll see whose wrong... Even though you are proven wrong in every investigation throughout the world, you will still defend the Church.

Be careful - Your GOD is watching you.... 1rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Lame response.

Uhum...we've already seen whose wrong.

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