'Paedophilia not criminal condition' says Durban cardinal

That's what Im talkin about....

Fitting song

Children are innocent and IMPO have the right to their childhood without needing to feel the need to defend themselves against sexual predators. Period. And on the whole young girls find sex disgusting. They are not the ones initiating a sexual encounter. It is the males. However, both girls and boys often begin to explore their own sexual differences with their peers generally out of normal curiosity. Oftentimes this is before the hormonal changes begin so there really isn't any sexual acting out unless a child has been exposed to a sexual predator, an overly hormonal male teen or adults who are sexually active in front of the children.

Believe it or not - most human beings are bi-sexual. With respect to homosexuality an individual may be genetically predisposed toward being attracted to the same sex or hormonally predisposed where a female feels like a male and a male like a female (this is identified as transexual). This information is based on numerous medical studies. Being genetically predisposed toward homosexual or transexual experience is not a sin, nor is it the fault of the individual who is this way. It isn't any different then being born with brown eyes or black hair. Genetics is calling the shots here.

Next, there is a huge difference between same sex relationships where the partners prefer to be in a monogamous relationship as compared to a sexual predator who seeks out children to molest. Most molesters were themselves molested as children. One of the statistics floating around since the early 80s is that 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 6 boys will be sexually molested as a child. With the amount of television and advertising media sexualizing children this number may have increased over the years.

Pedophiles seek children to sexually molest. Period. One child after the next.

The Catholic Church is filled with pedophile priests - all of which should be excommunicated rather then transferred into another diocese. Allowing pedophiles to remain in the church where they have access to children and are protected by the church is just plain ludicrous.

Last Edited by Proud American Supporter on 03/16/2013 07:07 PM

I question if molestation creates offenders. Or if something else is involved. Or a number of factors. But, at any rate, get the active ones all off the street and sort out the biology later.

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


For each sex offender the differential diagnosis of an erotic preference for minors vs. a preference for physically mature partners was made by means of the phallometric test of erotic gender and age preferences. The analysis of self-reports confirmed that the proportion of pedophiles who report having been sexually abused in childhood by mature persons is larger than that of men who were not charged for or accused of a sex offense against a child though the difference is relatively small (28.6 vs. 13.9 and 10.7% for the heterosexual pedophiles and the two groups of gynephiles, respectively, and 25.9 vs. 11.8% for the homosexual pedophiles and androphiles, respectively).

[link to cjb.sagepub.com]

Male sexual aggression against children is a serious and alarmingly common social problem. Treatments for the perpetrators have been only moderately successful. Perhaps a reason for this has been the absence of a unified model of etiology and treatment that includes the most salient motivational factors unique to various subtypes of perpetrators.

You can become a slave if you owe somebody money. The 'owner' then takes care of you and your family until the debt is paid or voided which is no longer than 7 years.

Name one instance where a sin sacrifice has ever been made for a baby or a child.

And where did you get this, .3% exact, statistic from K.K.?

Haven't we just commenced a Royal Commission in Australia to get to the bottom of this mess in institutions? Have you got inside information?

When did the Church commence complying with Civil Law?

we sell you religion at a price whilst raping your children... i own a gun............ gtfo.....

"1. Catholic priests are more likely to be pedophiles than other groups of
men.

This is just plain false. There´s absolutely no evidence that priests are
more likely to abuse children than are other groups of men. The use and
abuse of children as objects for the sexual gratification of adults is
epidemic in all classes, professions, religions, and ethnic communities
across the globe, as figures on child pornography, incest, and child
prostitution make abundantly clear. Pedophilia (the sexual abuse of a
prepubescent child) among priests is extremely rare, affecting only 0.3% of
the entire population of clergy. This figure, cited in the book Pedophiles
and Priests by non-Catholic scholar, Philip Jenkins, is from the most
comprehensive study to date, which found that only one out of 2,252 priests
considered over a thirty-year period was afflicted with pedophilia. In the
recent Boston scandal, only four of the more than eighty priests labeled by
the media as "pedophiles" are actually guilty of molesting young children."

[link to catholic.net]

step away from the children.............. simple...........

:Citz_cb3:

Ok so the "exact" statement is questionable.. We shall see what we shall see.

I hope it is way less than .03% because that means that less children have been harmed.

However, if organisations have covered things up, like has been alleged, then I don't know how anyone can quote that figure and be confident that it is correct.

As I said, I hope it is way lower than .03%!

OOps see I am a glass half full person I am hoping for .03% when the study showed .3%.

The other 99.7% are guilty because they know about the crimes and the take an active role in covering it up. (nor do I believe in that number however take that back through the ages and it becomes a very large number)

Ankle bracelets certainly don't seem to help, I don't think talk therapy does either:

[link to www.13wham.com]

Probation officials are investigating how a man charged with possessing child pornography managed to cut off his electronic monitoring bracelet before carjacking a woman at a mall, fatally stabbing her and raping her 10-year-old-daughter, authorities said.

David J. Renz abducted the school librarian and her daughter as they left a gymnastics class Thursday night at a mall in the Syracuse suburb of Clay, about 150 miles west of Albany, state police said Friday.

Renz bound both victims, raped the girl and drove a short distance to a spot where the girl escaped and was found by a passing motorist, troopers said.

^^^^

Oh yeah, really? An active role in covering it up,
that is total bullshit,
and even if you count every single case to the day when Jesus began the church, you will still only get a number that is
not above any other group, in fact, the group with the biggest number of pedophiles are step-fathers and other relatives, I find that even more disgusting, but I wouldn't be a dickhead and blame all other stepdads.

Are you putting children first with your heartfelt defense of Catholic priests?

A tiny bit of online research can find documents, (if legitimate), that probably should concern you, in these matters.

I found the following in Latin, allegedly from the previous Pope, allegedly signed by him when he was Cardinal Ratzinger.

[link to www.vatican.va]

and this alleged translation of the above Latin document in English

English…. [link to www.bishop-accountability.org]

You will note these alleged letters & alleged translations declare "Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret."

Here is a definition of "Pontifical Secret" [link to encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com]

Can a person be ex-communicated for even discussing these issues?.

Can a victim who communicates outside the Church be ex-communicated?

I couldn't find the words "All cases must be reported to the Police", in the documents, did you?

I'm sorry to rock your world, but, if these documents are legitimate, what do you say now?

This is to do with canon law, with what happens within the church, a pedophile priest has to go through a church trial as well as a civil one.


"Regulations concerning the secrecy of trials are maintained, in order to safeguard the dignity of all the people involved.

One point that remains untouched, though it has often been the subject of discussion in recent times, concerns collaboration with the civil authorities. It must be borne in mind that the Norms being published today are part of the penal code of canon law, which is complete in itself and entirely distinct from the law of States.
On this subject, however, it is important to take note of the "Guide to Understanding Basic CDF Procedures concerning Sexual Abuse Allegations", as published on the Holy See website. In that Guide, the phrase "Civil law concerning reporting of crimes to the appropriate authorities should always be followed" is contained in the section dedicated to "Preliminary Procedures". This means that in the practice suggested by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith it is necessary to comply with the requirements of law in the various countries, and to do so in good time, not during or subsequent to the canonical trial."


[link to www.vatican.va]

Nice diversion there K Kool... Are you a lawyer?...lol

I'm shaking my head in disbelief and laughing.

Anyhow... I'll let the Royal Commission answer other questions on this topic for you...lol

It may be possible that some pedophiles are drawn to the priesthood, not simply to take advantage of a position which allows access to children (same as being a scout master), but also because some forms of peodophilia seem to be linked to hyper-religiousity.

[link to news.discovery.com]

[link to books.google.com]

K Kool, What sort of psych evaluation does an incoming priest receive?

Do they get physicals?

I've only read Tom Baker's account, and that was horrifying. He made it sound like the experience could rapidly drive you insane if you were not already, due to the social isolation and loss of personal identity.

Diversion?

Is that what you call being proved wrong, Anonymous Coward?

The 'Pontifical secret' is there to protect the course of justice, the civil system has similar laws.

"Art. 30

§ 1. Cases of this nature are subject to the pontifical secret.[41]

§ 2. Whoever has violated the secret, whether deliberately (ex dolo) or through grave negligence, and has caused some harm to the accused or to the witnesses, is to be punished with an appropriate penalty by the higher turnus at the insistence of the injured party or even ex officio."

[link to www.vatican.va]


Last Edited by #KK# on 03/18/2013 03:48 PM

We'll see whose wrong... Even though you are proven wrong in every investigation throughout the world, you will still defend the Church.

Be careful - Your GOD is watching you....

hmmm let's see....

1. honesty from the leaders are taught
2. confession is wrapped in secrecy
3. if you follow 1. you get ex-communicated, or 2, yer arse is safe....

not real sure jesus would be happy with being CEO or head of the board......

Lame response.

Uhum...we've already seen whose wrong.

Tom was a monk:


Who On Earth Is Tom Baker? An Autobiography
[link to www.amazon.com]


[link to www.tom-baker.co.uk]

At 15, much to the delight of his family, he joined a religious order, the De la Mennais Brothers originating from Ploërmel in Brittany in France, and he dedicated himself to the monastic life. However as the years went by, disillusionment overwhelmed him, and at 21 he decided to leave. Tom later wrote about his time in the monastery in his autobiography “Who on Earth is Tom Baker?”

Child molesters*

Pedos are the stage where its just thoughts, not action. if they act there is something else wrong with them

I think it's more likely that men who are pedophiles, but who are trying to control their inclinations, and who want to lead a life devoted to God, see the priesthood as a defense against their inclinations, thinking the vows and the life of a priest will help them heal.
I don't know if medical psychological tests are done on novices, but they are of course questioned and assessed,
and it would be very hard for someone pretending to have a calling, in order to molest children, to proceed through the years of scrutiny and study and formation that a priest undergoes.
Sadly, the abuses sustained in childhood do not magically disappear in adulthood, the psyche is a delicate instrument,
and I think some of these priests later succumb to their urges.
I don't know if you believe in the existence of satan, but when a soul grows closer to God, he will attack them, and he certainly uses the weaknesses of all of us, against us and our desire to follow the will of God.

Monks and priests are different in that monks lead a life secluded from the world, whereas priests live and work with people. The training, or period of novicehood is also dependant on the particular order a monk or priest chooses.

Gota start cleaning up the FUCKING FILTH ON THE EARTH....

Everything said by K. Kool in this thread is pure bullshit!