The bible is full of shit! (New Testament Contradiction Edition)

I guess you don't really want those answers, OP, do you? They are trivially easy to find.

You just want to stir the pot.

Are you really this dense, uh, never mind, I know the answer.

Look here, you have "pointed out" nothing to me, save one; you are in grave peril.

How in the world could you possibly think that someone here can come against the strong delusion that God Himself sent to you? God is way stronger than any other thing in His creation.

And because of your hard heart, He is messing with you. He has given you your own hearts desires to believe in the lies that you profess.

If you really wanna know the truth, you must first ask God to lift you up to your knees. Crawling around on your belly in the dust of the earth is where you will remain if you don't ask!

Kent Hovand? The guy that lied and said he taught science for 15 years when there was no record of it & ended up getting arrested by the FBI?

People have to learn how to think about stuff outside of their belief systems. Logic can't operate along with programmed beliefs. You have to think in order to consider that you might be wrong. There are a lot of misconceptions and contradictions in the Bible. I doubt that it is indeed what it claims to be only because it seems too put together as a book. Glaring contradictions and grammar issues AFTER they had all those experts transcribing it just reeks of AGENDA to me.

First of all, it is readily apparent that I am far from a "Classic Christian" and I didn't attack you, I appealed to your sense of dignity.

You have now announced to this forum that you have no dignity left to protect, and that you wish to continue to publicly embarass yourself. Okay, child, game on.

In a few short sentences, I have clued you in to something that it takes many years for students of God/Christ and Bible to uncover.

The New Testament, particularly the Gospels are an Astrological codex to those who understand the symbols, and since Astrology is cyclical yet subject to a certain degree of deviation based on several factors, one line will read differently than another telling the same piece of story.

Wise Men can use that information.

Now if you've got an argument that you think can actually stand up to thousands of years of mystery schools, I'd really like to hear it.

I'm waiting.

And if your defense is to continue to use smilies to obfuscate your lack of argument or reason, let us all know in advance that you have chosen a cowardly and ineffectual defense that further denigrates any dignity you might possess.

Still waiting.

No logical defense for the infallible word of God being fallible from any of you Christians?

Just threats of hellfire if I don't believe the lies I just pointed out to you, with attacks on my character.

Are you sure you people follow the Jesus I read about in the bible?

I'd be interested in hearing what you think the overall story of Scripture really is, then. You know, the 100 words or less version.

Less than 100 words.

The winners got together and decided to wipe history and the minds of upcoming generations. SO they took tried and "true" methods and stories and then put certain tones, spells and inflections in them to connect to energy that they know exists . Meanwhile they keep the divide going by keeping people fighting over programmed contradictions and such. The bible has stories, "history", astrology, genetics and allegory. It's not just some book that tells what happened. I honestly think that the Names Jesus and such are strong for their TONAL sounds and such rather than the actual being (not denying the being of Jesus- but it is a title and not a name)

So the bible is really astrology & the words are lies anyway? That would make Christianity a total hoax even more so than I am pointing out.

If only 'wise men' can understand it, what is the point of every Christian I ever see trying to convert me if I won't understand it anyway?

If only 'Wise men' understand it, then what's the point of having it public? Your explanation offers little in terms of rebuttal, it just leaves more questions.

If you aren't prepared to publicly defend it, why bother replying?

I've already explained it to you, and if you continue to ignore that as if I haven't, you are showing everyone that you are a deceptive troll.

If you would like to continue to embarass yourself, please continue.

If there are rebuttals, then why doesn't someone post them instead of saying "go look for them" - ?

My point is, if God is so smart why did he give us such a muddled mess of a book that would even EVER require people to point out or rebut apparent contradictions...

Being omniscient and omnipotent, surely He would have forseen what a complete clusterfuck He was creating by being less than clear.

Would have been a lot easier had Jesus written his own Gospel, and in simple clear writing made perfectly clear exactly what was Truth.

Why does God make it so difficult to believe in Him?

What a prick.

I appreciate your response and thank you for it.

I was looking more for the story of the "end product" vs the story of you it might have been allegedly composed. What is the story the Bible is actually telling (regardless of motive or origin)?

Thank you.

Ah, finally. Something to respond to. Thank you, OP.

Now I see where you are coming from. You have your personal expectations of God and He's not living up to them. A common occurance.

The question boils down do, "Will you follow a God who does not live up to your expectations?"

No need to answer. I know what yours is.

God is like the absolute worst employer I've ever worked for

Complete mismanagement and horrible communication skills

I am not the OP. Just chiming in.

If I am created in God's image, then my expectations are Divine.

Yet He fails to live up to them.

God cannot exist, QED

This offers no rebuttal to Gods own fallibility that has been pointed out in his own words. Obviously your God is either a liar or severely flawed. This offers no rebuttal to the flaws.

Is God flawed, or is his word flawed? It has to be one of the two. Which is it?

Interesting retort. I'll have to remember that one.

How do you think you've been created "in God's image?"

Oh, there are plenty of flaws to go around, say in both you and me. That would be a good place to start.

You are tirelessly stupid. I never said the words are lies, you are trying to put words in my mouth. This tactic does not go unnoticed by people reading your words, and you continue to expose yourself.

I said the New Testament is an Astrological Codex, and I also said that the Disciples taught in allegory so simpletons could understand and have something to think about and latch on to. An allegory is not a lie, and if an allegory also carries along with it Astrological codex, than it is a doubly useful piece of literature.

You can try to deny that but you'd just be exposing even more idiocy on your behalf.



No, it would make it infinitely more clever than what you are pointing out. Whether it's a hoax or not is a seperate issue altogether.

See, you have a hard time even following your own line of thinking in a linear fashion. This is probably due to chronic substance abuse with a history of it in your broken family. Once drugs get in, it's impossible to have minds produced that are capable of any real thought.

It's not your fault, I feel sorry for you. I can see why you are angry with God. But you sacrifice any dignity you might hold on to when you try to bring down something you don't understand and lack the capicty to understand.

I don't pity you so much when you do that, you just sound like a biting dog that needs to be put down for the betterment of society.

You don't need to understand it to benefit from it. Christ will work with whatever you give him and you will, at one point or another, improve yourself and your spiritual circumstances.

For a long, long time, it wasn't public. The Bible was kept in the hands of Clergy, and only the initiated were permitted to study it.

Do you want to know why? Because the uninitiated don't understand it and gang up on it in their ignorance.

If it was up to people like you, it would be eradciated from the Earth and we'd all just be living the movie "Idiocracy" and you'd be like a pig reveling in the shit.

I know that what I just said actually sounds appealing to you, and if so, please refer to my remark about a biting dog that just needs to be put down.



You are the only person too stupid to see that I am publically defending it.

Why bother? Someone less stupid than you will see what I'm saying it will resonate true, and they will begin their adventure towards Christ and salvation.

So I'm the one that's flawed for pointing out the contradictions in the un-flawed word of 'God', it's not the bible itself that is flawed?

Illogical. You cannot admit that it contradicts itself or sufficiently defend the contradictions, so yet again you resort to attacking the messenger...

Per His word.

Created as a reflection and incarnation of His perfect love, wisdom, justice, and power.

Yet the reflection is imperfect, meaning as the OP says, the Creator is imperfect.

Even the imperfect reflection can see the flaws in the original image with little effort.

Either the Creator is flawed, or does not exist.

Yawn, you again attack the messenger pointing out the contradictions instead of defending them.

Again you point to Christianity being an 'Astrological Chart', which I've never heard from the Theological community anyway...

Even if the bible was a simple astrological chart, why the contradictions in the chart? Your explanation still offers no logical rebuttal.

I don't think that's the way the story ends.

God didn't organize the Bible into what it is today. Constantine and Nicea Did.

Do you think that Initiated Occultists would design a book that was understandable by the unwashed, uninitiated masses? Do you think they would design a book that caused millions of people to be spiritually liberated without a method by which to control that population?

What you attribute to God is actually in the hands of free-will mankind.

If you are confused and uninitiated, you simply only need the allegories...to meditate on them and get the messages they are intended to convey.

If at such a point in time as you get those messages you will become a person who is ready for further understandings.

I do not serve you the dessert before you've had the salad.

Either this, or a bunch of men decided to put words into his mouth by writing a book and saying it was from him.

No, that would be to logical wouldn't it?

True!

HD, I'm sure you and I don't see eye to eye on some details but I do know that we share a spiritual journey, and I appreciate your posts.

(And at least you are writing substance here!)

Last Edited by Life and Love on 03/16/2013 12:12 PM

This is the first semi-logical statement you have made. You admit men like Constantine arranged the bible with the attention of population control.

Good for you, now take it a step further and I think you will have the logical answer.

This has got to be a joke. LOL It's GOT to be. Such incredibly ridiculous "reasoning", and unbelievable audacity...not to mention the laughable "insults"...it's so ridiculous it HAS to be a joke! Lol...lol...lol. Either that or an extremely disillusioned person who is in serious need of psychiatric evaluation.

Defense against what your projected fantasies?